Why are Bud and Kerr the favorites for COY over Kidd?

[Milbuck]

Injuries played a part in us sucking last year, but it's not like we haven't been screwed this year either. Jabari out, Marshall out, Sanders out, Ilyasova missing 23 games, Henson missing 15 games, Naters waived, etc.

That being said...the improvements:

- Defense has improved from dead last in 2013-14 to 4th best in 2014-15. From absolute garbage to borderline elite.

- Net differential from -8.2 to +2.0

- Won 15 games last year, on pace to win 46 games this year, potentially a 31 win improvement.

- First team in NBA history to double the entire previous season's win total by the AS break.


The improvement imo is nothing short of ridiculous, the dude has this entire team under his complete control. He might not be a strategic genius like Pop or Carlisle but whatever he's doing is working incredibly well. And not only is the team improving collectively but he is showing himself to be a brilliant developmental coach in terms of motivating young players, getting rid of bad habits, and just flat out teaching the game.

Why is Kidd not the front runner for COY?

[Joyner82reload]

Racism. Kidd is only 1/2 white.

[Cocaine80s]

Didnt even know Kidd was the bucks coach lol

[KembaWalker]

0 all stars too, give this man the award

[buddha]

43-11 or 42-9 coupled with that fact that the Hawks were like 15th in preseason power rankings while the Warriors were 5th or so. Their dominance is more impressive, Bud more so, Kerr just inherited a stacked team, but finally has them playing to potential.

[CarlosBoozer]

Because only adults can win it.

[Eric Cartman]

43-11 or 42-9 coupled with that fact that the Hawks were like 15th in preseason power rankings

Pretty much this, Bud is gonna run away with this award.

[Milbuck]

43-11 or 42-9 coupled with that fact that the Hawks were like 15th in preseason power rankings while the Warriors were 5th or so. Their dominance is more impressive, Bud more so, Kerr just inherited a stacked team, but finally has them playing to potential.
Preseason PR doesn't mean much to me. It's about actual season to season improvement, not what people predict/expect.

Hawks were a playoff team last year without Horford, with Horford they would've been roughly a 45-48 win team and would've taken out Indiana.

And GS is stacked beyond belief. Kerr and Gentry have done an awesome job, but honestly any semblance of actual Xs and Os coaching would've been a massive upgrade over Jackson. They were a borderline elite team last year when fully healthy, and now they're dominant. It's a decent jump but nowhere near how far we've jumped.

[UK2K]

Kidd deserves it.

If you were asked which of the Hawks, Warriors, and Bucks would make the playoffs this season, you'd only guess 2 of the 3.

What Kidd has done (and did with BKLYN last season) with a half complete roster minus Jabari and Sanders...

He should get it.

But he won't.

[poido123]

Injuries played a part in us sucking last year, but it's not like we haven't been screwed this year either. Jabari out, Marshall out, Sanders out, Ilyasova missing 23 games, Henson missing 15 games, Naters waived, etc.

That being said...the improvements:

- Defense has improved from dead last in 2013-14 to 4th best in 2014-15. From absolute garbage to borderline elite.

- Net differential from -8.2 to +2.0

- Won 15 games last year, on pace to win 46 games this year, potentially a 31 win improvement.

- First team in NBA history to double the entire previous season's win total by the AS break.


The improvement imo is nothing short of ridiculous, the dude has this entire team under his complete control. He might not be a strategic genius like Pop or Carlisle but whatever he's doing is working incredibly well. And not only is the team improving collectively but he is showing himself to be a brilliant developmental coach in terms of motivating young players, getting rid of bad habits, and just flat out teaching the game.

Why is Kidd not the front runner for COY?


There's been a thread made on this.

kidd making ground on those two front running candidates was discussed. In fact, I suggested kidd was a strong candidate if bucks continue to win and get to about 45 wins :cheers:


tbh I would be happy if either of these three got the award, you can make an argument for all 3 of them.

[poido123]

Didnt even know Kidd was the bucks coach lol


Can you recall if you are a fan of the Heat or the Cavs?

:confusedshrug:

[UK2K]

- First team in NBA history to double the entire previous season's win total by the AS break.

This is partially due to the fact that tanking is now accepted.

They may be the first, but they certainly wont be the last given the way teams are rebuilding now. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Sixers and/or Knicks do the same thing next season.

[Hotlantadude81]

Injuries played a part in us sucking last year, but it's not like we haven't been screwed this year either. Jabari out, Marshall out, Sanders out, Ilyasova missing 23 games, Henson missing 15 games, Naters waived, etc.

That being said...the improvements:

- Defense has improved from dead last in 2013-14 to 4th best in 2014-15. From absolute garbage to borderline elite.

- Net differential from -8.2 to +2.0

- Won 15 games last year, on pace to win 46 games this year, potentially a 31 win improvement.

- First team in NBA history to double the entire previous season's win total by the AS break.


The improvement imo is nothing short of ridiculous, the dude has this entire team under his complete control. He might not be a strategic genius like Pop or Carlisle but whatever he's doing is working incredibly well. And not only is the team improving collectively but he is showing himself to be a brilliant developmental coach in terms of motivating young players, getting rid of bad habits, and just flat out teaching the game.

Why is Kidd not the front runner for COY?

Because the Hawks have still done a lot better?

While the Bucks have been good, the Hawks flat out dominated for 2 months. The Bucks have been 50-50 for most of the year. It's a nice improvement, but coach Bud should still be the coach of the year as of right now.

Sorry, but 46 wins in the east still makes you a fairly mediocre team.

Sorry, but I would rather reward going from mediocrity to possible dominance over going from being really shitty to being a tad bit better than mediocrity.

However, if the Hawks start taking a dive in the 2nd half of the season this could change.

[Cocaine80s]

Can you recall if you are a fan of the Heat or the Cavs?

:confusedshrug:
Im a fan of both :confusedshrug:

[Hotlantadude81]

- First team in NBA history to double the entire previous season's win total by the AS break.

This is partially due to the fact that tanking is now accepted.

They may be the first, but they certainly wont be the last given the way teams are rebuilding now. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Sixers and/or Knicks do the same thing next season.

The Knicks are going nowhere.

[Hotlantadude81]

He should get it.

But he won't.

No, he shouldn't. Not as of right now. That could change.

[Milbuck]

Because the Hawks have still done a lot better?

While the Bucks have been good, the Hawks flat out dominated for 2 months. The Bucks have been 50-50 for most of the year. It's a nice improvement, but coach Bud should still be the coach of the year as of right now.
Why does this matter? Erik Spoelstra is nowhere near a COY-level coach to me and his team went on a 27 game winning streak a couple years ago. That's an extreme example, obviously, because the Heat had Lebron and Bud actually is a terrific coach...but my point is that team success is not the sole factor. What should hold the most weight is the transformation and impact the coach had.

And by this, Kidd imho has had the highest impact as a coach this year. Just because we're not a contender doesn't mean his impact hasn't been massive. "Nice improvement" is an incredible understatement....we're on pace to improve by 31 wins. Worst defense in the league to top 4. Getting blown out on a nightly basis to being 2.5 games from HCA. And again, we've been screwed by injuries this year as well, and it's not like we have a prime Duncan or Bird to spearhead this turnaround.

The Hawks are awesome. But they have the tools to be awesome. You read their successes on paper, and you're confused...but once you actually watch the games, and it's not that confusing. A 5 of Teague-Korver-Carrol-Millsap-Horford is extremely underrated talent-wise, and to go with that talent they're high IQ, unselfish, hard working players. Them dominating the league is surprising...but it's not as surprising as a team that plays Zaza, Dudley, Ilyasova, Bayless, etc big minutes and is missing its defensive anchor being the 4th best defense in the league.

[andremiller07]

The Bucks are missing there best defender (Sanders), one of the top 2 rookies in the NBA, there stretch 4 in Ersan has been injured, so has Zaza and John Henson (so basically aside from O'Bryant) there entire frontline has been decimated by injuries. They also lost there back up PG (who is also the best passer on the team) and yet they are like 8 games over 500.

Kidd should be the coach of the year. The way that team defends and shares the ball compared to last year it's like they basically swapped every player out (but they didn't).

Factor in the way he's improved Middleton/Knight/Greek Freak and revived OJ Mayp as well.

[Hotlantadude81]

Why does this matter? Erik Spoelstra is nowhere near a COY-level coach to me and his team went on a 27 game winning streak a couple years ago. That's an extreme example, obviously, because the Heat had Lebron and Bud actually is a terrific coach...but my point is that team success is not the sole factor. What should hold the most weight is the transformation and impact the coach had.

And by this, Kidd imho has had the highest impact as a coach this year. Just because we're not a contender doesn't mean his impact hasn't been massive. "Nice improvement" is an incredible understatement....we're on pace to improve by 31 wins. Worst defense in the league to top 4. Getting blown out on a nightly basis to being 2.5 games from HCA. And again, we've been screwed by injuries this year as well, and it's not like we have a prime Duncan or Bird to spearhead this turnaround.

The Hawks are awesome. But they have the tools to be awesome. You read their successes on paper, and you're confused...but once you actually watch the games, and it's not that confusing. A 5 of Teague-Korver-Carrol-Millsap-Horford is extremely underrated talent-wise, and to go with that talent they're high IQ, unselfish, hard working players. Them dominating the league is surprising...but it's not as surprising as a team that plays Zaza, Dudley, Ilyasova, Bayless, etc big minutes and is missing its defensive anchor being the 4th best defense in the league.

I'm not willing to give COY to a coach that wins 46 games in one of the worst conferences in NBA history. Korver and Carroll were spare parts a couple of years ago, and Millsap wasn't even a starter in Utah for a fairly good bit of his time in Utah. While Teague made the all star team, this is a league that is loaded at that position. He wouldn't sniff the all star game in the western conference.

They dominated the western conference for 2 months. What they have done is far more impressive than what the Bucks have done.

Thibs also got and under-talented team to play great defense. But look at Bulls now... They have slipped on the defensive end now that they have a more talented team. It's a nice story, but getting a bunch of role players to overachieve is not that unheard of. I think Doc Rivers did the same when he won COY back in Orlando.

[Hotlantadude81]

The Bucks are missing there best defender (Sanders), one of the top 2 rookies in the NBA, there stretch 4 in Ersan has been injured, so has Zaza and John Henson (so basically aside from O'Bryant) there entire frontline has been decimated by injuries. They also lost there back up PG (who is also the best passer on the team) and yet they are like 8 games over 500.

Kidd should be the coach of the year. The way that team defends and shares the ball compared to last year it's like they basically swapped every player out (but they didn't).

Factor in the way he's improved Middleton/Knight/Greek Freak and revived OJ Mayp as well.

Almost none of those guys are very good anyway.

[andremiller07]

Almost none of those guys are very good anyway.
Exactly the point, he's got a bunch of guys who are not that good and are playing major mins to where they are.

[Hotlantadude81]

Exactly the point, he's got a bunch of guys who are not that good and are playing major mins to where they are.

But they're only just a tad above mediocrity in a really terrible conference.

Look at the teams they're ahead of in the standings. They wouldn't win 40 games in the western conference.

[Hotlantadude81]

Moreover, you can't forget the disastrous off-season the team had where everything should have came apart this year. You can't forget that nobody in Atlanta gave a shit about this franchise until Bud showed up. Even a 53 win team in 2009 couldn't sell this place out much.

Now, like I said... If the Hawks drop off in the second half (and I think they will to some degree) then I'm more willing to listen. As of right now, Bud should get it.

[UK2K]

The Knicks are going nowhere.
The Knicks may end up with less than 20 wins.

Next season with a healthy Melo and seemingly unlimited cap space, it wouldnt be a shocker to see them hit 40 wins in the butt conference.

[Magic731]

I really don't think that the Bucks were as bad as their record indicated last season. I choose Bud over Kidd mainly because I think it's harder to go from mediocre to elite than it is to go from bad to mediocre. NO ONE thought that the Hawks starting 5 were talented enough to hold the 1 seed in the east. The way that Bud has them playing makes them all look lime all stars.

[KNOW1EDGE]

It's most certainly gotta go to the Hawks coach.

Kerr should not even be in the discussi9n.

Kidd is in the discussion, but doesn't deserve to win over Bud. IMO

[L.A. Jazz]

The same reason why AD isnt the MVP.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Actually agreeing with Hotlantadude on this one. Kidd has done a great job, but taking a team from mediocrity to a ten game lead on the entire conference is simply better than taking your team from dogshit to mediocrity.

[hawkfan]

I think the Hawks won 34 out of 35 at one point.

[atljonesbro]

Almost none of those guys are very good anyway.
This is false