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I think it would be a horrible move to trade for Joe Johnson. Jennings was finally playing the best basketball of his career. Besides the fact that Jennings has a much better contract. I'm not sure who else Detroit would be forced to give up to match Johnson's salary but they would need to gut the team. It would also definitely mean Monroe is gone. This is such a bad idea is so many ways. I hope this is just a rumor and nothing more.
Aussie Dunker
02-18-2015, 09:35 AM
Yeah makes VERY little sense for us to be making that move. I mean, have Joe play SF for us wouldn't be a bad option as he is a proven shooter - but not for his contract and not for Jennings. SVG is way too smart to let this happen...
However, the rumors about Draymond Green and his willingness to sign with the Pistons does excite me if Monroe happens to leave. I think he would be a GREAT fit at the PF position next to Dre - he can stretch the floor and is a blue collar banger when needed....
I really like Green too. I don't think that move makes us a contender. We really need a lottery pick too. Not that that makes the Pistons an immediate contender either. Then we would just need some time for the younger guys to learn to play.
Aussie Dunker
02-18-2015, 08:03 PM
But I don't want BOTH Green and Monroe, it's one or the other. And to Green's absolute credit - i'm not sure which one I would rather....
Whichever one is willing to sign on the longest I guess :P I like the fact he is from Michigan,
Nastradamus
02-19-2015, 02:48 PM
I think it would be a horrible move to trade for Joe Johnson. Jennings was finally playing the best basketball of his career. Besides the fact that Jennings has a much better contract. I'm not sure who else Detroit would be forced to give up to match Johnson's salary but they would need to gut the team. It would also definitely mean Monroe is gone. This is such a bad idea is so many ways. I hope this is just a rumor and nothing more.
Jennings has one year left on his deal and its pretty unlikely that he is effective next year, so he's not much of a factor.
Basically, they'd be saying they don't love the 2015 FA class and that they'd love to make the playoffs as soon as possible. I can't hate them for that. Johnson is still a very good player and his cap situation is minimal.
Also, we can still have 18 mil to play with with Johnson on the roster. Its not like it destroys our offseason.
Make a choice between Monroe and Green, draft Tyus Jones and see what you can do with that group. Look at SFs in 2016.
Jennings has one year left on his deal and its pretty unlikely that he is effective next year, so he's not much of a factor.
Basically, they'd be saying they don't love the 2015 FA class and that they'd love to make the playoffs as soon as possible. I can't hate them for that. Johnson is still a very good player and his cap situation is minimal.
Also, we can still have 18 mil to play with with Johnson on the roster. Its not like it destroys our offseason.
Make a choice between Monroe and Green, draft Tyus Jones and see what you can do with that group. Look at SFs in 2016.
How do you figure Jennings won't be effective? He's young, he'll heal. He was playing good ball. Joe Johnson is the ineffective one. I'd rather KCP have the minutes.
Everything that I've read says we wouldn't have that 18 million still. I don't see how we could. Johnson makes over 20 on his own.
Anyway, I saw today that the rumor had no truth to it.
Aussie Dunker
02-19-2015, 07:55 PM
Well.... After these trades, probably would have made sense to do jennings for Joe!!
Dre
Moose
Joe Johnson
KCP
Jackson
That team could make some serious noise.....
Joe Johnson definitely couldn't be a full time SF. He could play it for short stretches but we're better off in the long run for that just being a rumor.
Aussie Dunker
02-19-2015, 09:06 PM
Better this season with the Johnson for Jennings trade now that we have jackson? 100%
Better in the long run? Probably not,
However, with Joe's big size for a wing player and his outside touch / ball handling, I can see him having some very handy role playing years at 33,34,35,36,37... Settling in to that 4th option / vetran leader type role
Well, we're exactly where I really didn't want to be at. A team that has no chance to win a championship but fighting for an 8 seed. It's the worst place to be at in basketball. I guess we can look forward to mediocrity for a while. Of course that's what Detroit fans have all wanted anyhow. :confusedshrug:
Aussie Dunker
02-19-2015, 09:28 PM
Not at all - i'm banking on being able to build a championship contending team around 21 year old phenom Dre. For me, it's all about securing complimentry pieces that have high character, high motor and bring certain skillsets to SVG's vision. Detroit was never going to be a quick fix, I'm ok with that - we have 2 to 3 more years of tweeking player personnel and settling on the team we make a serious championship push with.
If the Hawks are anything to go off - they were mediocre for 7 or 8 years before they turned elite this year...
Pistons have one of the more younger and exciting rosters going around, i'm glad to be apart of the uprise - i'm feeling a whole lot better than I did 6 years ago when we started the downfall...
I like what the Hawks have done but I don't consider them serious contenders. I think any team that comes out of the West would beat them. They play in a very weak Eastern conference. That's they're only chance of making it to the finals.
Aussie Dunker
02-20-2015, 01:34 AM
I can agree in saying that i'd take 3 or 4 teams in the west over the Hawks in a 7 game series, but I would still say the Hawks are elite. What they have been able to achieve this year has been incredible. If they keep this roster together for another 2 or 3 years they are only going to become more dangerous.
But yeah - if the Pistons use that as a blue print it would be a very good plan to follow. Even SVG's magic teams would be a great example of how we can become elite without a bunch of superstars... We are so young let's just let these guys develop, still too early to tell where the games of players like Dre and KCP will be when they are 24 / 25 years old...
KCP has done far better than I thought he would this season. There's still a little hope for him. Honestly, he looks better out there than McLemore does right now. So I'm glad he'll not be losing minutes to Joe Johnson. Let the young guys develop still.
ZMonkey11
02-20-2015, 06:31 PM
Well after the first season with Jennings, I had the feeling the Pistons had no real interest in keeping Jennings. Then, Pistons draft Dinwiddie and sign Augustin.
So why not trade him? Johnson would come off the books in 2016, leaving a huge amount of cap space. We'd go over the tax for a year signing Monroe, but Johnson could have played at the 2 or 3, same with KCP.
I feel like this Reggie Jackson signing has sealed Jennings fate. The longest he will be in Motown (if RJax resigns with us) is when his contract expires.
Aussie Dunker
02-20-2015, 10:32 PM
KCP has done far better than I thought he would this season. There's still a little hope for him. Honestly, he looks better out there than McLemore does right now. So I'm glad he'll not be losing minutes to Joe Johnson. Let the young guys develop still.
He looks better in every aspect of the game than Mclemore does, Mclemore just looks like he is coasting...
LiLharvard
02-24-2015, 11:43 PM
KCP played great today
Aussie Dunker
02-25-2015, 12:16 AM
Yes indeed he did! In fact he has played GREAT in both games with Reggie starting at PG.
Only 2 games, but it is a good sign right?..
ZMonkey11
03-02-2015, 10:23 PM
Yes indeed he did! In fact he has played GREAT in both games with Reggie starting at PG.
Only 2 games, but it is a good sign right?..
right.
Nastradamus
03-04-2015, 12:01 AM
Its going to be tough for Monroe/Jackson/Drummond to co-exist. Only 2 of them can likely stay. The spacing is just too awful
Random stat I saw today btw. With Jennings,Drummond and Monroe on the floor post Smith we were second to only GS in points per possession
Its going to be tough for Monroe/Jackson/Drummond to co-exist. Only 2 of them can likely stay. The spacing is just too awful
Random stat I saw today btw. With Jennings,Drummond and Monroe on the floor post Smith we were second to only GS in points per possession
Wow, that's an impressive stat. Of course Jennings was on a tear for that streak too. It would have been nice to see if he could have kept it up for the season. Maybe with Jennings back next season the spacing could be better??? The last few articles I've read have said there's a chance that Monroe comes back. I still see it as a long shot though.
Aussie Dunker
03-05-2015, 12:19 AM
I like the fact that we are pretty much on a "try before you buy" basis with Jackson. If he looks like a great fit here, we can sign him to a long term deal, if he doesn't look like a considerably upgrade to Jennings - we have no pressure to sign him as we have Jennings on the books for at-least one more year...
Keeping Dre / Moose front court is way more important than keeping Jackson in my opinion.
Jackson has about 20 games left to prove himself to be worth a long term deal,
Perfect world We sign Moose to long term deal, Jackson goes, Jennings plays next year with Dinwiddie getting heavy minutes as an apprentice and then the following year the era of Dinwiddie begins ;)
In a perfect world we wouldn't have traded for Jackson and we would have continued to lose a ton of games and ended up with a top 3 pick and hopefully landed a guy like Mudiay or Russell. Now we're very mediocre. I've said it for a while but it's the worst place to be in the NBA.
Aussie Dunker
03-05-2015, 01:44 AM
Yes ^ You say it every second comment you make lol, you are right though - about mediocracy is the worst place to be. But even you would admit that we were never going to be in line for a top 3 pick this year, would have been lucky to get into the top 10 even without the trade.
I don't see any harm in the trade - there are no long term commitments, it definitely shows a commitment by SVG to win and make the playoffs without sacrificing our future.
I think we're right around 11 or 12 right now. Top 3 might have been a long shot since the Pistons really do have a better lineup than the Lakers, 76ers, and Knicks. But it was still a possibility. Heck even if it was top 7 we would have had a chance at a good player. There's a lot of bigs there if Monroe is really going to walk. If not there are a few good wing players that are moving up the draft boards. It would have really filled a need. Instead we're going to win just enough games again. I'm just really frustrated with this team right now.
Aussie Dunker
03-05-2015, 10:27 AM
I think you have to let SVG have some more time to sculpt this team - and we are VERY young, too. This team was neglected for 3 or 4 years in the final blow by Dumars and some questionable coaching candidates - it was a DEEP hole to rise up from. We are now starting to see some of the potential we have building around Dre and perhaps Moose next to him aswel - we just need more years with SVG at the helm and I think we could have something special...
If Moose happens to leave - I say we pursue Draymond Green HARD - already stated he'd love to play for us. Which brings me to my next question - who would you rather - Moose or Green? Complete different players, some people are picking Green for DPOY and he can shoot the long ball. But Moose is just so good offensively in the paint... hrmm
SVG has made a lot of moves that I already didn't agree with. It's been very disappointing.
I want to see what Green does in the playoffs. That will tell us a lot about his game.
Aussie Dunker
03-05-2015, 08:17 PM
*Gets rid of the cancer Josh Smith and we INSTANTLY become a far superior team (Should get GM of the year on this move alone!!) ha
*Trades for Tolliver who as turned out to be a very handy role player for us
*Drafts Dinwiddie, that we ALL were very happy about and he actually looks to be a damn fine player
*Brings in Reggie Jackson - someone with more potential to a) help us make the playoffs this year and b) turn out to be a stud long term, than any of the outgoing players - without any long term commitments to him.
*Sign Meeks - although on a fairly substantial contract, he has been a great go to scorer off the bench - I think he is a good piece to the puzzle,
All in all it has been a positive year in terms of moves that we have made compared to the ben gordons, allen iversons, charlie V's, josh smith type moves that took this franchise south.... SVG has done well,
Signing Meeks, wasn't good. I'm just not that impressed with his game. I've seen him in LA and now Detroit. He's just a role player.
Trading for Reggie is something that's to be determined. I think it sets us back this season for sure. Making a playoff push for the 8 seed is so dumb. Hopefully Reggie develops into a good player. Thus far he hasn't looked any better than Augustin. Augustin at least knows his role in the NBA. He doesn't mind coming off the bench. I really liked having a high end backup PG like that.
Dinwiddie has had a couple moments but it's impossible to say where his career will take him at this point. Stuckey looked like our PG of the future when he was a rookie too. Overall we haven't seen much of Dinwiddie.
Aussie Dunker
03-05-2015, 10:55 PM
Yes ^ I loved having Augustin too, he is (in my opinion) the best back up PG in the league to have on your team. The only reason we traded for Reggie is because he has the chance to be more than that though, he has a chance to be a stud - time will tell - best thing about the trade though is that we don't have to keep him if we don't think he fits - we get a 30 game snapshot of what it could look like moving forward with him. Much smarter than just signing him to a long term deal in the offseason,
And yeah I totally agree with you, we haven't seen too much of Dinwiddie, but I think it's safe to say every fan of the Pistons likes what they see. That game against Rose, man, he looked like a seasoned vet. He looks well and truly over his college injury, and remember he was a projected top 10 pick in this deep draft. Might be the gem of the draft in a couple of year time, who knows how he pans out but I sure am happy we drafted him
Nastradamus
03-08-2015, 12:58 PM
I like Meeks. I think he'll be valuable for us going forward.
Aussie Dunker
03-08-2015, 09:02 PM
^^ Agree, not an all-star, not even a fringe all-star, perhaps a fringe starter - but in my eyes he is a high end role player off the bench. Brings a good skill set and combines it with good energy, it's hard not to like players like this on your team.
Perhaps we paid overs on him, but happy he is here. His game is still developing...
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