Ginobili, Duncan & Parker had the same impact in the spurs

[robert_shaww]

Big Three Carrer Stats per 36 minutes from 2002-2015 (Playoffs + Regular Season)

Ginobili

PTS: 20,1
AST: 5,1


Parker

PTS: 18,8
AST: 5,3


Duncan

PTS: 19,7
AST: 2,7



www.basketball-reference.com

[T_L_P]

Ginobili in RS: 14.5 PPG

Ginobili in Playoffs: 15.4 PPG

shaww making up stats to try and make a case. :oldlol:

[Jlamb47]

Your a dumba$$ b1tch

Duncan impact > Parker and Ginobli

Defense anchor, and number 1 option on offense until later on his career when Parker got better.

[robert_shaww]

Ginobili in RS: 14.5 PPG

Ginobili in Playoffs: 15.4 PPG

shaww making up stats to try and make a case. :oldlol:

per 36

[T_L_P]

per 36

RS per 36: 19.4

Playoffs: 18.7

shaww making up stats to try and make a case. :oldlol:

Manu couldn't play 36 minutes though, so this entire premise is phony.

[RightTwoCensor]

People still think box score numbers tell the real story, so sad.

How many elite defensive regular and post-seasons have Parker and Ginobili has combined compared to Duncan.

[chips93]

per 36 stats are useful for projecting what a player could do given more minutes, or to show what kind of ability a player has.

when comparing how much two players produce there is no point in using them.

unless of course you have an agenda to push, and it helps your argument.

[ShawkFactory]

Somebody doesn't know what "Impact" means...

[T_L_P]

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/33/40/35/7210819/3/920x1240.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ic0ZMVx.gif

[greatest-ever]

Definitely not the same impact. And i love how you use assists but leave out rebounding and defense, 2 areas where Duncan smashes the other 2.

Op, are you a 12 year old or just ignorant?

[CP343]

Ginobili, Duncan & Parker had the same impact in the spurs

lol no.

[ImKobe]

Definitely not the same impact. And i love how you use assists but leave out rebounding and defense, 2 areas where Duncan smashes the other 2.

Op, are you a 12 year old or just ignorant?

He plays under the basket, of course he's going to get more rebounds...

Act like his rebounding is something phenomenal for his position, and 0 rebounding titles/DPOYs. :applause:

Duncan 05-now

17.6 ppg 10.2 rpg 3 apg on 50% shooting

Manu 05-now

15.4 ppg 3.8 rpg 4.3 apg on 45% shooting, 37% from 3

Parker 05-now

18.2 ppg 3 rpg 6.2 apg on 50% shooting

There's nothing to discredit about Duncan in his first two title runs, but he's been on minutes restriction for about a damn decade now and hasn't had an all-time great run since 03 and has been carried for a while now.

[T_L_P]

He plays under the basket, of course he's going to get more rebounds...

Act like his rebounding is something phenomenal for his position, and 0 rebounding titles/DPOYs. :applause:

Duncan 05-now

17.6 ppg 10.2 rpg 3 apg on 50% shooting

Manu 05-now

15.4 ppg 3.8 rpg 4.3 apg on 45% shooting, 37% from 3

Parker 05-now

18.2 ppg 3 rpg 6.2 apg on 50% shooting

There's nothing to discredit about Duncan in his first two title runs, but he's been on minutes restriction for about a damn decade now and hasn't had an all-time great run since 03 and has been carried for a while now.

Even though he's statically been the best player (or the 2nd best at worst) the past 4 years?

How does that even work?

League's best in 07, tbh. His 3rd best two-way season (after his MVP years).

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2007.html

[ImKobe]

Even though he's statically been the best player (or the 2nd best at worst) the past 4 years?

How does that even work?

League's best in 07, tbh. His 3rd best two-way season (after his MVP years).

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2007.html

All I know is that he's 2-1 in the Finals since the 05 title, and they lost when he was their best player.

[chips93]

pop always credits duncan for being the leader, about ow easy the team is to coach, because timmy buys in 100%. that says it all.

[ImKobe]

pop always credits duncan for being the leader, about ow easy the team is to coach, because timmy buys in 100%. that says it all.

That's cute and everything, but the Spurs have been struggling this season despite Duncan being healthy all year. He was definitely a force in his prime, but that was more than 10 years ago.

I'm not saying that he's overrated or that he's not a top 6-7 all-time great, but some people act like he's on Kareem level or some crap when he's not.

[Straight_Ballin]

Give me the guy that cemented himself as a better all time player than Kobe Bean Bryant, aka, Timmy Duncan.

[T_L_P]

That's cute and everything, but the Spurs have been struggling this season despite Duncan being healthy all year. He was definitely a force in his prime, but that was more than 10 years ago.

No, it wasn't. It's more like 6-7 years ago. Big difference.

Also, regarding your other post: he was far and away the team's best player in 07. Stop implying otherwise.

[mehyaM24]

no, but from 2005-on, ginobili arguably had more than anyone on the spurs.. when healthy he was the spurs' best offensive player and clearly the engine that made them go.

parker was probably the spurs' best player in 2012 and 2013. as a duo, parker/manu have been the main cogs to san antonio's success since 2005. without question their backcourt is where their strength lies today and the last several years now.

[ImKobe]

No, it wasn't. It's more like 6-7 years ago. Big difference.

Also, regarding your other post: he was far and away the team's best player in 07. Stop implying otherwise.

http://www.clap.name/images/blog/tony_parker.jpg

[robert de niro]

Definitely not the same impact. And i love how you use assists but leave out rebounding and defense, 2 areas where Duncan smashes the other 2.

Op, are you a 12 year old or just ignorant?
hes about to take 2 weeks off to reach a conclusion on this

[robert_shaww]

per 36 stats is the most underrated stat

[ShawkFactory]

per 36 stats is the most underrated stat
Why is that, Mr. Quint?

[ShawkFactory]

http://www.clap.name/images/blog/tony_parker.jpg
Duncan was still far and away the teams best player in 2007. Parker playing well for 4 games against a completely overmatched team doesn't change that.

[greatest-ever]

He plays under the basket, of course he's going to get more rebounds...

Act like his rebounding is something phenomenal for his position, and 0 rebounding titles/DPOYs. :applause:

Duncan 05-now

17.6 ppg 10.2 rpg 3 apg on 50% shooting

Manu 05-now

15.4 ppg 3.8 rpg 4.3 apg on 45% shooting, 37% from 3

Parker 05-now

18.2 ppg 3 rpg 6.2 apg on 50% shooting

There's nothing to discredit about Duncan in his first two title runs, but he's been on minutes restriction for about a damn decade now and hasn't had an all-time great run since 03 and has been carried for a while now.
I was trying to point out that if the OP is bringing up assists then rebounds should be as well.

This little soliloquy of your's was usesless.

[Anaximandro1]

OP must be a Kobe fan ...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NLWbZ7xJKGE/VKTWTkoRC0I/AAAAAAAADng/WRlvPCJ03yU/s1600/8.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9e0_EaeaUPA/VN5a5NnnMFI/AAAAAAAADyw/jHSsgACPxJM/s1600/22.jpg


no, but from 2005-on, ginobili arguably had more than anyone on the spurs
2005? 2005 ? OK

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9wC5fmHzeu4/VOTu6fCjLSI/AAAAAAAAD00/05k5N4NjE_A/s1600/28.jpg


Historically speaking

- The Spurs won four titles from 1999 - 2007 ... Duncan doesn't have to hide behind rings or longevity.

- the fifth championship came seven years after their fourth because Duncan offensive game fell off a cliff in 2008 (age 32). He's been basically playing on one leg since then ...

[rmt]

per 36

under 25 minutes
Manu
20.7
23.3
23.2
22.8
24.7

Tim
0

25 - 30 mins.
Manu
29.4
29.6
27.9
27.5
26.8
28.7

Tim
28.4
28.2
29.2

30 - 35 min
Manu
30.3
31.1

Tim
30.1
30
33.4
34.8
34.1
34
33.7
31.3

over 35
Tim
39.1
39.3
38.9
38.7
39.3
36.6

over 40
Tim
40.6

Tell me why one should use per 36 minutes when the most minutes Manu has EVER averaged is 31.3. He'd be gassed/make more mistakes and be even more injured than he usually is. Duncan, otoh, has played heavy minutes in his prime and even though he had some injuries (knee, plantar fasciitis), he's been rock solid the past few years while it seems every Spur is injured.

Some Kobe stans with agenda here - trying to discredit TD.

[T_L_P]

http://www.clap.name/images/blog/tony_parker.jpg

So, you've just gone into ultra-troll mode?

Btw, since it's about FMVPs, you've just admitted Duncan > Kobe.

Thanks. :cheers:

[ninephive]

Big Three Carrer Stats per 36 minutes from 2002-2015 (Playoffs + Regular Season)

Ginobili

PTS: 20,1
AST: 5,1


Parker

PTS: 18,8
AST: 5,3


Duncan

PTS: 19,7
AST: 2,7



www.basketball-reference.com
This is also wrong...Parker's PER-36 in that span (which is his whole career) is 6.6 AST. And I think TLP corrected your Ginobili numbers (although Ginobili didn't play in '02).

[ninephive]

So, you've just gone into ultra-troll mode?

Btw, since it's about FMVPs, you've just admitted Duncan > Kobe.

Thanks. :cheers:
Yah, Duncan was the best overall player in '07, including throughout the playoffs. Parker had a great Finals and his overall wasn't bad...but it wasn't like Duncan's:

'07 Regular Season:

Duncan: 20.0/10.6/3.4/2.4
Parker: 18.6/3.2/5.5/1.1

'07 Playoffs:

Duncan: 22.2/11.5/3.3/3.1
Parker: 20.8/3.4/5.8/1.1

Both stepped it up in the playoffs (like they do every year), but Duncan's RS & postseason line was just really really good.

[navy]

he's not a top 6-7 all-time great
Because you say so? 5 Rings. 3 FMVPs. 2 MVPS. 6-7 all time great is definitely the tier he's on.

[navy]

per 36 stats is the most underrated stat
No because it can make scrubs that play 1 minute a game into GOATs.

[ShawkFactory]

Because you say so? 5 Rings. 3 FMVPs. 2 MVPS. 6-7 all time great is definitely the tier he's on.
Because his legacy matches Kobe's. And he hates that.

[T_L_P]

Yah, Duncan was the best overall player in '07, including throughout the playoffs. Parker had a great Finals and his overall wasn't bad...but it wasn't like Duncan's:

'07 Regular Season:

Duncan: 20.0/10.6/3.4/2.4
Parker: 18.6/3.2/5.5/1.1

'07 Playoffs:

Duncan: 22.2/11.5/3.3/3.1
Parker: 20.8/3.4/5.8/1.1

Both stepped it up in the playoffs (like they do every year), but Duncan's RS & postseason line was just really really good.

Yeah, Parker earned his Finals MVP for sure. 07 was one of his best Playoff runs.

Like you said though, Duncan was still the best player overall (you posted the numbers). 2007 is a really slept on season from Tim; he was still arguably the best player in the world.

[Artillery]

Spurs were a big TWO comprised of Duncan and Ginobili. Both are legends IMO.

Parker? Overrated pos who's post-season impact is comparable to that of a role player. Nice regular season player but very unreliable in April/May. In the playoffs, he's an inefficient volume scorer that chokes year after year. 2007 and 2013(until the Finals) being the only exceptions.

[ninephive]

Spurs were a big TWO comprised of Duncan and Ginobili. Both are legends IMO.

Parker? Overrated pos who's post-season impact is comparable to that of a role player. Nice regular season player but very unreliable in April/May. In the playoffs, he's an inefficient volume scorer that chokes year after year. 2007 and 2013(until the Finals) being the only exceptions.
LOL

[robert_shaww]

LOL

ginobili played in 02.

[Anaximandro1]

can't find the best backcourt in NBA history, OP

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1Onh-G33Ogg/VOYLXnb7f0I/AAAAAAAAD1E/crUWsf3q_pU/s1600/29.jpg

[ninephive]

ginobili played in 02.
You wrote: 2002-2015

Ginobili's first season was 2002-03. That's not 2002 the way you defined it.

[robert_shaww]

You wrote: 2002-2015

Ginobili's first season was 2002-03. That's not 2002 the way you defined it.

ginobili played for the spurs from 2002 to 2015....theres only one way to say it.

[robert_shaww]

Spurs were a big TWO comprised of Duncan and Ginobili. Both are legends IMO.

Parker? Overrated pos who's post-season impact is comparable to that of a role player. Nice regular season player but very unreliable in April/May. In the playoffs, he's an inefficient volume scorer that chokes year after year. 2007 and 2013(until the Finals) being the only exceptions.
:applause:

[swagga]

http://i.imgur.com/ic0ZMVx.gif

perfect reply for this thread... you're killing me :lol :lol :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
god bless you, stranger over the internets :applause: