Who is the least deserving MVP since 1980?

[ShawkFactory]

1980: Kareem
1981: Dr. J
1982: Moses
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Bird
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Jordan
1989: Magic
1990: Magic
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Barkley
1994: Olajuwon
1995: D-Rob
1996: Jordan
1997: Malone
1998: Jordan
1999: Malone
2000: Shaq
2001: Iverson
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Nash
2007: Dirk
2008: Kobe
2009: Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Rose
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Durant
2015: Harden

I'm inclined to say Nash in '06 or Barkley in '93. Not that Charles wasn't great but peak Michael >>>

[dubeta]

1980: Kareem
1981: Dr. J
1982: Moses
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Bird
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Jordan
1989: Magic
1990: Magic
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Barkley
1994: Olajuwon
1995: D-Rob
1996: Jordan
1997: Malone
1998: Jordan
1999: Malone
2000: Shaq
2001: Iverson
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Nash
2007: Dirk
2008: Kobe
2009: Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Rose
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Durant
2015: Harden

I'm inclined to say Nash in '06 or Barkley in '93. Not that Charles wasn't great but peak Michael >>>


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[Ariza4three]

1980: Kareem
1981: Dr. J
1982: Moses
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Bird
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Jordan
1989: Magic
1990: Magic
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Barkley
1994: Olajuwon
1995: D-Rob
1996: Jordan
1997: Malone
1998: Jordan
1999: Malone
2000: Shaq
2001: Iverson
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Nash
2007: Dirk
2008: Kobe
2009: Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Rose
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Durant
2015: Harden

I'm inclined to say Nash in '06 or Barkley in '93. Not that Charles wasn't great but peak Michael >>>
Bolded them.

[beastee]

Bolded them.
Were you even alive in 91 or 92? :facepalm

[imdaman99]

I got 2010 Lebron.

Dude blatantly quit on his team in the middle of a playoff series. How disrespectful is that to the integrity of basketball? :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

I got 2010 Lebron.

Dude blatantly quit on his team in the middle of a playoff series. How disrespectful is that to the integrity of basketball? :facepalm

Considering the MVP is given out based on the regular season, this is an extremely moot point

[Lebronxrings]

1980: Kareem
1981: Dr. J
1982: Moses
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Bird
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Jordan
1989: Magic
1990: Magic
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Barkley
1994: Olajuwon
1995: D-Rob
1996: Jordan
1997: Malone
1998: Jordan
1999: Malone
2000: Shaq
2001: Iverson
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Nash
2007: Dirk
2008: Kobe
2009: Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Rose
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Durant
2015: Harden

I'm inclined to say Nash in '06 or Barkley in '93. Not that Charles wasn't great but peak Michael >>>
bolded

[dubeta]

I got 2010 Lebron.

Dude blatantly quit on his team in the middle of a playoff series. How disrespectful is that to the integrity of basketball? :facepalm

yup, because MVP is a playoff award :applause:

[ShawkFactory]

I got 2010 Lebron.

Dude blatantly quit on his team in the middle of a playoff series. How disrespectful is that to the integrity of basketball? :facepalm
2010 Lebron > any version of KD thus far.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I got 2010 Lebron.

Dude blatantly quit on his team in the middle of a playoff series. How disrespectful is that to the integrity of basketball? :facepalm
lol at this moron. 2010 Lebron is one of the least arguable MVPs in recent history.

[navy]

1980: Kareem
1981: Dr. J
1982: Moses
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Bird
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Jordan
1989: Magic
1990: Magic
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Barkley
1994: Olajuwon
1995: D-Rob
1996: Jordan
1997: Malone
1998: Jordan
1999: Malone
2000: Shaq
2001: Iverson
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Nash
2007: Dirk
2008: Kobe
2009: Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Rose
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Durant
2015: Harden

I'm inclined to say Nash in '06 or Barkley in '93. Not that Charles wasn't great but peak Michael >>>

Nash winning back to back was definitely an oddity. Should have gone to Duncan or Dirk the second year or Kobe if his team records werent so shit.
Jordan won with a bad records vs Magic and Bird, so he cant complain about undeserved mvps too much even though he was clearly the best of his era (Malone/Barkley)

[dubeta]

Sad to see a lot of these players only win 1-2 MVP's before never winning another one again.

I guess it takes a true GOAT level player to win 4+ MVPs in the league, not cut for everyone to do.

[ShawkFactory]

Nash winning back to back was definitely an oddity. Should have gone to Duncan or Dirk the second year or Kobe if his team records werent so shit.
Jordan won with a bad records vs Magic and Bird, so he cant complain about undeserved mvps too much even though he was clearly the best of his era (Malone/Barkley)
Who should have gotten it in 05? '06 Nash was better than '05 Nash but there really wasn't anybody that was spectacular that year.

Shaq came in second at 22/10...

I would say Duncan but in the regular season he was statistically lower than the previous 5 years. Can't give a guy MVP when his numbers drop like that. Though I still think Duncan was the actual most valuable player that year.

To be fair his minutes did drop. His per 36 were right on line with the previous years.

[dubeta]

The reason 2005-2006 was so hotly debated was because there was no clear cut best player in the league in that timespan, making it confusing

from 2000-2004 Shaq, Duncan, and A.I battled for best player in the league

in 2005 here probably wasnt anyone with a strong claim as best player in the league.

in 2006, you could claim LeBron was the best player in the league, he had the best argument, but others also considered Dirk, and Wade, making it hard to decide on MVP's as they generally go to the best player in the league sans a few exceptions (2014)

[outbreak]

Bolded them.
The question was least deserving MVPs not "Which players do you irrationaly hate because their fanbase makes fun of Orlando on ISH"

[navy]

Who should have gotten it in 05? '06 Nash was better than '05 Nash but there really wasn't anybody that was spectacular that year.

Shaq came in second at 22/10...

I would say Duncan but in the regular season he was statistically lower than the previous 5 years. Can't give a guy MVP when his numbers drop like that. Though I still think Duncan was the actual most valuable player that year.
I said it was an oddity, not an atrocity. Steve Nash is like the worst back to back mvp of all time probably. Not bad company to be in though.

[Young X]

Nash's 2006 MVP really isn't that bad at all. He got that team to the 2nd seed and #2 offense in the league with Amare out for the whole season. Besides Dirk who else should've gotten it that year?

[ShawkFactory]

Nash's 2006 MVP really isn't that bad at all. He got that team to the 2nd seed and #2 offense in the league with Amare out for the whole season. Besides Dirk who else should've gotten it that year?
Dirk absolutely should have gotten it.

Kobe was too unconscious as well

[T_L_P]

AI.

I think Dirk should have won in 06, and Paul in 08.

Nash's 1st MVP is completely justified (and I had no problem with 06 either).

Not a very strong year for individual players. And I really don't see Shaq's case.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Nash's 2006 MVP really isn't that bad at all. He got that team to the 2nd seed and #2 offense in the league with Amare out for the whole season. Besides Dirk who else should've gotten it that year?

the guy who single handily beat the Western Conference champions, scored 81 points in a game, became the only player since Wilt to score 45 points in 4 or more consecutive games

same guy that averaged 43 points per game in january, the highest ppg per month for any player in NBA history besides Wilt, the guy who collected more fourty point games that season than Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler and Paul Pierce have had in their entire career

same guy that averaged 40 points for a month twice in one season when it had only been done by one other person in the entire history of the NBA

same guy that averaged 36/6/5 on 46% for the second half of the season, who dragged a team full of shit to playoffs out west.

Same guy who had known haters like Bill Simmons begging for Kobe to win the MVP, same guy that WAS LEFT OFF OF THE BALLOTS due to certain media members absolutely hating him.

yeah.. that guy

[dubeta]

the guy who single handily beat the Western Conference champions, scored 81 points in a game, became the only player since Wilt to score 45 points in 4 or more consecutive games

same guy that averaged 43 points per game in january, the highest ppg per month for any player in NBA history besides Wilt, the guy who had fourty point games that season than Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler and Paul Pierce have had in their entire career

same guy that averaged 40 points for a month twice in one season when it had only been done by one other person in the entire history of the NBA

same guy that averaged 36/6/5 on 46% for the second half of the season, who dragged a team full of shit to playoffs out west.

Same guy who had known haters like Bill Simmons begging for Kobe to win the MVP, same guy that WAS LEFT OFF OF THE BALLOTS due to certain media members absolutely hating him.

yeah.. that guy

Nice, what was his teams record?

[plowking]

Nash's 2006 MVP really isn't that bad at all. He got that team to the 2nd seed and #2 offense in the league with Amare out for the whole season. Besides Dirk who else should've gotten it that year?

Wade. Put up 27/7/6 on 50%.

Won two less games than the Suns, and Shaq missed over 20 games that season.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Nice, what was his teams record?

45-37 with Smush Parker being the teams 3rd option, Kwame Brown starting at center and Brian Cook starting half the season

whats your point?

[dubeta]

Wade. Put up 27/7/6 on 50%.

Won two less games than the Suns, and Shaq missed over 20 games that season.


LeBron was 31/7/6

Won 50 games

and his 2nd best teammate was worse than Wades 5th best.

[ShawkFactory]

For ME, '06 goes:

1. Dirk
2. Kobe
3. Nash
4. Lebron
5. Wade

Kobe was obviously the most outstanding player but Dirk did his thing with one of the best teams in the league

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe arguably had the two most dominant regular season performances of all time in 2006

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Dirk should've won in 06.....


But explain to me how:

Kobe putting up 35.4/5.3/4.5 on 55.9% TS and winning 45 games is much better than LeBron putting up 31.4/7.0/6.6 on 56.8% TS and winning 50 games ie more with a worse team

[dubeta]

Kobe arguably had the two most dominant regular season performances of all time in 2006

Cool, too bad he did it with a mediocre team, and ended up losing in the 1st round after being up 3-1 :facepalm

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe arguably had the two most dominant regular season performances of all time in 2006
Perhaps. But him exploding because he's an amazing individual talent doesn't necessarily make him the MVP of the league. If that were the case Michael would have 8 or 9..

[TheMarkMadsen]

For ME, '06 goes:

1. Dirk
2. Kobe
3. Nash
4. Lebron
5. Wade

Kobe was obviously the most outstanding player but Dirk did his thing with one of the best teams in the league

which makes what Kobe did even more impressive

i'm sorry, but you're not MVP when the other guy is having one of the most historic seasons of all time and then proceeds to come into your house and bitch slap you by literally beating Dirk's team by himself.

[dubeta]

Kobe's peak, statpadding scoring season was only 4 points more than a 21 year old LeBron :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Perhaps. But him exploding because he's an amazing individual talent doesn't necessarily make him the MVP of the league. If that were the case Michael would have 8 or 9..

how does it not? he had one of the most historic seasons of all time, beat the WC champions by himself, etc etc

take Kobe off that team and do you think a line up of

Smush/Vujavic/George/Odom/Kwame 6th man Brian Cook


wins more than 10 games?

[Milbuck]

This is gonna be wonderful bump material when Curry wins MVP.

[ShawkFactory]

which makes what Kobe did even more impressive

i'm sorry, but you're not MVP when the other guy is having one of the most historic seasons of all time and then proceeds to come into your house and bitch slap you by literally beating Dirk's team by himself.
There's a reason 82 games are played. One dominant performance doesn't automatically make one more worthy.

[ShawkFactory]

This is gonna be wonderful bump material when Curry wins MVP.
No. You're a useless basketball mind if you don't think Harden is the MVP. He moves with the grace of a falcon and has a beard of a Baratheon. That light-skinned **** has not shot.

[JT123]

Rose in 11 and Malone in 97.
#voterfatigue

[TheMarkMadsen]

There's a reason 82 games are played. One dominant performance doesn't automatically make one more worthy.

one dominant performance?

that wasn't even his best game that season..

he averaged 40ppg for 2 months..

no other play has averaged 40ppg in one month in NBA history besides Kobe in 03 and Wilt..

06 Kobe did it twice in one fcking season..

you take Kobe off that team and it's a team led by Odom/Kwame/Smush.. that team would have won 10 games max without Kobe.

Voters have admitted to leaving him off the ballot in 06, Charles Barkely went crazy over this.

[Young X]

Kobe was ridiculous, but he was on a 7th seeded team that year. When was the last time an MVP was on a 7th seeded team?

Wade is admittedly a good choice looking back but the Suns still won more games and Nash's regular season play wasn't inferior enough for it to be a bad MVP selection.

Duncan's team had the best record in the league, but Duncan was injured and had one of the worst seasons of his prime.

Bron was on a 4th seeded team, can't remember the last time an MVP was on a 4th-8th seed.

Dirk was the only one with a better case and Wade had a similar case. Nobody else had a better case that year IMO.

[Milbuck]

No. You're a useless basketball mind if you don't think Harden is the MVP. He moves with the grace of a falcon and has a beard of a Baratheon. That light-skinned **** has not shot.
Didn't read. Curry > Harden both as a player and as an MVP candidate.

[TheMarkMadsen]

yo even Bill Simmons, who hates Kobe with a passion as you can see in the quote, knew who the MVP was


You don't know how much this kills me. Actually, you probably do. But Mamba passes all three MVP questions ...

Question No. 1: When remembering this season 10 years from now, which player will pop into your head first?

Answer: Kobe. The dude scored 62 in three quarters against Dallas, then 81 against Toronto a few weeks later. He's about to become the fifth player in NBA history to average 35 points a game (along with Wilt, MJ, Elgin and Rick Barry). He made up with Shaq. He made up with Phil. He made up with Nike. He appeared on the cover of Slam Magazine with a Mamba snake wrapped around him. He did everything but make the obligatory cameo on "Will and Grace." No player took more abuse from writers, broadcasters and radio hosts this season, but Kobe seemed to feed off that negative energy. It was almost Bondsian. And just when it kept seeming like he might wear down, he'd toss up another 50 just to keep you on your toes. Kobe was relentless. That's the best way to describe him this season.

Question No. 2: In the proverbial giant pickup game with every NBA player waiting to play, who would be the first player picked this season?

Answer: Kobe. He's the best all-around player in the league, the best scorer, the best competitor, and the one guy who terrifies everyone else. Plus, if you DIDN'T pick him, he would make it his mission to haunt you on the other team.

Question No. 3: If you replaced every MVP candidate with a decent player at their position for the entire season, what would be the effect on their teams' records?

Answer: If you replaced Kobe with a decent 2-guard (someone like Jamal Crawford) for the entire 2005-06 Lakers season, they would have won between 15 and 20 games. I can say that in complete confidence. Terrible team. When Smush Parker and Kwame Brown are your third- and fourth-best players, you shouldn't even be allowed to watch the playoffs on TV. Throw Kobe in the mix and they're headed for 45 wins. So he's been worth 25 victories for them. Minimum.

In a weird way, Kobe ended up getting what he always wanted: The Lakers completely revolve around him. He gets to shoot 25-30 times per game. He gets to take every big shot at crunch-time. He gets all the credit. Nobody else on the team dares to challenge him. And even better, because he lucked out with the only possible coach who could make this cockamamie situation work, his supporting cast kills itself to make him look good.

Basically, he's Elvis and everyone else is Joe Esposito. And it's working! That's the crazy thing.

Now they're a sleeper in the West -- seriously, do you think Phoenix wants any part of them in Round 1? -- and have the only player in the league who can win a playoff series by himself. He's the Black Mamba, he's Kobe Bryant, he's the 2006 MVP, and since we finally have that settled, I will now light myself on fire.

[SouBeachTalents]

yo even Bill Simmons, who hates Kobe with a passion as you can see in the quote, knew who the MVP was

He also said this the following season :oldlol:


If you asked 100 NBA players who they'd rather play with between Kobe, Vince, Arenas and T-Mac ... T-Mac would win the vote in a landslide. You win with Tracy McGrady.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He also said this the following season :oldlol:

Hard to imagine anybody saying that in 2007 about T Mac but Simmons absolutey hates Kobe/ The Lakers so it not really surprising

which goes to show how much Kobe deserved MVP in 06 when even his biggest hater was singing his praises

[ShawkFactory]

Didn't read. Curry > Harden both as a player and as an MVP candidate.
http://memegenerator.net/instance/59348048

Classic mix-up on your part.

[JohnFreeman]

Rose

[Showtime2001]

how does it not? he had one of the most historic seasons of all time, beat the WC champions by himself, etc etc

take Kobe off that team and do you think a line up of

Smush/Vujavic/George/Odom/Kwame 6th man Brian Cook


wins more than 10 games?
They would be lucky if they even won 10 games.

[Angel Face]

1980: Kareem
1981: Dr. J
1982: Moses
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Bird
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Jordan
1989: Magic
1990: Magic
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Barkley
1994: Olajuwon
1995: D-Rob
1996: Jordan
1997: Malone
1998: Jordan
1999: Malone
2000: Shaq
2001: Iverson
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Nash
2007: Dirk
2008: Kobe
2009: Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Rose
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Durant
2015: Harden

I'm inclined to say Nash in '06 or Barkley in '93. Not that Charles wasn't great but peak Michael >>>

To be honest, the bolded should be MJ's.

[SamuraiSWISH]

To be honest, the bolded should be MJ's.
And that isn't even blasphemous. Pippen was either too green or a mentally fragile coward in '89, and '90. So they were limited ceiling wise to the Conference Finals. Gave the Pistons a bigger test than the defending champ Lakers.

No way was Magic, Isiah, Bird, or Barkley better than Mike individually in '89, '90, or '93. Or really more valuable. Playoffs proved it. Same goes for the playoff, and Finals proving MJ > Malone in 1997.

To act like it's ridiculous MJ could've been, or really SHOULD'VE been MVP from '88, '89, '90, '91, '92, '93, '96, '97 and '98 would be disingenuous as an honest basketball fan.

[DatAsh]

Considering the MVP is given out based on the regular season, this is an extremely moot point

So you think it's a valid point worth discussing?

[mehyaM24]

And that isn't even blasphemous. Pippen was either too green or a mentally fragile coward in '89, and '90. So they were limited ceiling wise to the Conference Finals. Gave the Pistons a bigger test than the defending champ Lakers.

No way was Magic, Isiah, Bird, or Barkley better than Mike individually in '89, '90, or '93. Or really more valuable. Playoffs proved it. Same goes for the playoff, and Finals proving MJ > Malone in 1997.

To act like it's ridiculous MJ could've been, or really SHOULD'VE been MVP from '88, '89, '90, '91, '92, '93, '96, '97 and '98 would be disingenuous as an honest basketball fan.
i happened to notice you didn't mention hakeem - i'm assuming that's because hakeem was actually better IYO and/or has a VERY strong case..

but yes - jordan did have a case for mvp those years, just not as strong as the actual winners. personally, i would take shaq > jordan every season starting from 1995, but again, that's just me.

[DatAsh]

yo even Bill Simmons, who hates Kobe with a passion as you can see in the quote, knew who the MVP was

If MVPs were based on the player who adds the most wins to their team, or if they were based on who is the best player in the league, then I would agree with Kobe winning that award. MVPs don't really meet that selection criteria though.

[SouBeachTalents]

If MVPs were based on the player who adds the most wins to their team, or if they were based on who is the best player in the league, then I would agree with Kobe winning that award. MVPs don't really meet that selection criteria though.

So you think MVP's should be given out to the best player in the league?

[97 bulls]

And that isn't even blasphemous. Pippen was either too green or a mentally fragile coward in '89, and '90.So they were limited ceiling wise to the Conference Finals. Gave the Pistons a bigger test than the defending champ Lakers.

No way was Magic, Isiah, Bird, or Barkley better than Mike individually in '89, '90, or '93. Or really more valuable. Playoffs proved it. Same goes for the playoff, and Finals proving MJ > Malone in 1997.

To act like it's ridiculous MJ could've been, or really SHOULD'VE been MVP from '88, '89, '90, '91, '92, '93, '96, '97 and '98 would be disingenuous as an honest basketball fan.
Then Pippen deserves credit for the MVPs Jordan won?.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Then Pippen deserves credit for the MVPs Jordan won?.
I'm talking about the Bulls inability to advance past the conference finals because Scottie didn't take his Midol in big games.

[ShawkFactory]

And that isn't even blasphemous. Pippen was either too green or a mentally fragile coward in '89, and '90. So they were limited ceiling wise to the Conference Finals. Gave the Pistons a bigger test than the defending champ Lakers.

No way was Magic, Isiah, Bird, or Barkley better than Mike individually in '89, '90, or '93. Or really more valuable. Playoffs proved it. Same goes for the playoff, and Finals proving MJ > Malone in 1997.

To act like it's ridiculous MJ could've been, or really SHOULD'VE been MVP from '88, '89, '90, '91, '92, '93, '96, '97 and '98 would be disingenuous as an honest basketball fan.
Malone has a strong case for '97 but I agree with the rest.

[Badazzwriter]

Cool, too bad he did it with a mediocre team, and ended up losing in the 1st round after being up 3-1 :facepalm
shut up dumbass :oldlol:

[Joyner82reload]

LeBron tots should be banned for saying Durant in 2014

He averaged 32/7/6 on 64 TS% and led his team to 59 wins
With his team's 2nd best player injured, he averaged 35/8/7 65 TS% while leading his team to a 20-6 record(on pace for 63 wins).

His MVP season was one of the greatest in history and better than ANY of LeBron's

[LAZERUSS]

1980: Kareem
1981: Dr. J
1982: Moses
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Bird
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Jordan
1989: Magic
1990: Magic
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Barkley
1994: Olajuwon
1995: D-Rob
1996: Jordan
1997: Malone
1998: Jordan
1999: Malone
2000: Shaq
2001: Iverson
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Nash
2007: Dirk
2008: Kobe
2009: Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Rose
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Durant
2015: Harden

I'm inclined to say Nash in '06 or Barkley in '93. Not that Charles wasn't great but peak Michael >>>

Iverson in '01 and Nash in '06.

Not saying that they didn't deserve the award, just that they were the least deserving.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

1980: Kareem
1981: Dr. J
1982: Moses
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Bird
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Jordan
1989: Magic
1990: Magic
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Barkley
1994: Olajuwon
1995: D-Rob
1996: Jordan
1997: Malone
1998: Jordan
1999: Malone
2000: Shaq
2001: Iverson
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Nash
2007: Dirk
2008: Kobe
2009: Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Rose
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Durant
2015: Harden

I'm inclined to say Nash in '06 or Barkley in '93. Not that Charles wasn't great but peak Michael >>>

Only those 3 were bad...some others are debatable though.

[swagga]

bold means not deserving, underlined means a close race

1980: Kareem
1981: Dr. J -> close one with bird ........... edited thanks to KevinNYC for pointing out the celtics turnaround was in 1980.
1982: Moses
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Bird
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Jordan -> magic (record, stats, first media award :facepalm )
1989: Magic
1990: Magic
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Barkley
1994: Olajuwon-> close one with ewing
1995: D-Rob -> close one with shaq and k. malone
1996: Jordan
1997: Malone -> shaq, close record, superior impact due to C defense
1998: Jordan -> shaq, almost identical record, MUCH better contribution and impact.
1999: Malone -> close one with duncan and shaq
2000: Shaq
2001: Iverson -> shaq. media award :facepalm
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash -> several more deserving players, media award :facepalm
2006: Nash -> several more deserving players, media award :facepalm
2007: Dirk
2008: Kobe -> close one with cp3, alot of people remember how kobe won it as a lifetime award. dwight howard was also in the hunt (close record, huge impact)
2009: Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Rose -> howard/lebron/durant/dirk with much more impressive seasons. media award. :facepalm
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Durant -> close one with lebron, won due to better team record but had lower ingame impact
2015: Harden -> let's wait for the 2nd half.

I'm inclined to say Nash in '06 or Barkley in '93. Not that Charles wasn't great but peak Michael >>> -> michael's team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> barkley's team


least deserving i'd say rose. You put any other good quick pg on that team (ty lawson for example) and they are close to the same record. Some may say this is hating. It is not. For that chicago team coaching, rebounding and defense were much more important than rose's chucking.

[pastis]

2001 should be shaq instead of iverson
2006 should be dirk instead of nash

2011 should be lebron or dirk instead of rose

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol at the Chuck mention...

Malone 1997 (Jordan), Iverson 2001 (Shaq), Nash 2006 (Dirk), Rose 2011 (LeBron).


Hard to imagine anybody saying that in 2007 about T Mac but Simmons absolutey hates Kobe/ The Lakers so it not really surprising

which goes to show how much Kobe deserved MVP in 06 when even his biggest hater was singing his praises


:roll: :roll: :roll:

You can't just discredit everything he says and then pick out the one thing that favors your agenda :oldlol:

Look at the responses in this thread.... it's Dirk. Deal with it. You don't win MVP's on 45 win teams or 7th seeds.

Besides, Kobe wasn't even top 3 in MVP voting.. he wasn't close to getting it.

How is Kobe's 35/5/5 on 45% with 45 wins any better than LeBron's 31/7/7 on 48% + 50 wins? (LeBron was close to becoming the youngest MVP ever)

Hell, Iverson averaged 33/3/7 on 45% on a trash team, where is his revisionist history MVP galore?

There is none... Like there was none at the time, because that's not MVP stuff.


Kobe was ridiculous, but he was on a 7th seeded team that year. When was the last time an MVP was on a 7th seeded team?

Wade is admittedly a good choice looking back but the Suns still won more games and Nash's regular season play wasn't inferior enough for it to be a bad MVP selection.

Duncan's team had the best record in the league, but Duncan was injured and had one of the worst seasons of his prime.

Bron was on a 4th seeded team, can't remember the last time an MVP was on a 4th-8th seed.

Dirk was the only one with a better case and Wade had a similar case. Nobody else had a better case that year IMO.

You can't close out LeBron.. he had everything. 31/7/7 on 48% with 50 wins, and the "4th seed" is only because of the ridiculous format. His team actually was the 3rd seed, as they won the 3rd most games in the conference.

[ShawkFactory]

LeBron tots should be banned for saying Durant in 2014

He averaged 32/7/6 on 64 TS% and led his team to 59 wins
With his team's 2nd best player injured, he averaged 35/8/7 65 TS% while leading his team to a 20-6 record(on pace for 63 wins).

His MVP season was one of the greatest in history and better than ANY of LeBron's
Well that's completely untrue...but literally only Bran stan trolls have said Durant in 2014.

[riseagainst]

look at all these lebron stans discrediting MJ, Kobe, Durant.
dat insecurity doe.
:oldlol:

[KevinNYC]

1981: Dr. J -> bird (celtics turnaround, stats)
yeah, but the turnaround happened in 1980 and Erving had some nice stats this year.
J>Bird in points, FG%, steals and blocks.
Bird>J in rebounds, assists, and FT%

3 point shooting is negligible as it wasn't used much back then

Looks like J is just a bit higher
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/images/stories/Dr-J-Larry-Bird.jpeg
http://sportspainter.com/images/thumbs/drj_bird.jpg

I don't see how you can't say this was a close race as the actual voting showed.

Both teams won 62 games.
If you had voted after the playoffs, Bird would have won, but this is a pretty nice year for Dr. J. and he played like 4 min a game less than Bird.

[KevinNYC]

Also Dr. J makes a nice transitio (http://espn.go.com/classic/s/moment010527erving-mvp.html)n to the Bird-Magic-Michael era, where centers no longer were a lock on the MVP.


Julius Erving, the Philadelphia 76ers' high-flying forward, becomes the first non-center to win the MVP award in 17 years. The 31-year-old Dr. J averaged 24.6 points, eight rebounds and 4.4 assists in leading the 76ers to a 62-20 record, tied with the Boston Celtics for the best in the NBA.

"He was alive again this season," says Kevin Loughery, the new coach of the Atlanta Hawks. "He was the Dr. J of old, the one I saw and coached in the old ABA. He was a lot wiser, sometimes less flamboyant, but awesome again."

Erving won three MVPs in the ABA (1974-76), including sharing one with George McGinnis. In winning his only MVP in the NBA, Erving beats out Boston's second-year forward, Larry Bird, 454-423, in balloting by 69 writers and broadcasters. Dr. J receives 28 first-place votes, Bird 20.

The last non-center to win the award in the NBA was Cincinnati Royals guard Oscar Robertson in 1964.

[TheMarkMadsen]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You can't just discredit everything he says and then pick out the one thing that favors your agenda :oldlol:

Look at the responses in this thread.... it's Dirk. Deal with it. You don't win MVP's on 45 win teams or 7th seeds.

Besides, Kobe wasn't even top 3 in MVP voting.. he wasn't close to getting it.

How is Kobe's 35/5/5 on 45% with 45 wins any better than LeBron's 31/7/7 on 48% + 50 wins? (LeBron was close to becoming the youngest MVP ever)

Hell, Iverson averaged 33/3/7 on 45% on a trash team, where is his revisionist history MVP galore?

There is none... Like there was none at the time, because that's not MVP stuff.



You can't close out LeBron.. he had everything. 31/7/7 on 48% with 50 wins, and the "4th seed" is only because of the ridiculous format. His team actually was the 3rd seed, as they won the 3rd most games in the conference.


every time you post about anything before 2011 it becomes obvious you weren't watching

Kobe was 2nd in MVP first place votes, WHILE BEING LEFT OFF OF BALLOTS due to the insane media bias against him.

There's no argument against Kobe, with the worst supporting cast in the league he made the playoffs in the west

had arguably the the two most dominant regular season performances of all time

had two of the most dominating months in NBA history

beat Dirk and Dirk's team by himself on Dirk's home floor

scored 81 points in a game

set numerous records that will more than likely never be broken, Kobe's 2006 season was on of the most historic seasons for a player of all time.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Hell, Iverson averaged 33/3/7 on 45% on a trash team, where is his revisionist history MVP galore?

There is none... Like there was none at the time, because that's not MVP stuff.



because he missed the playoffs in the east playing with 20/10 Chris Webber, Iggy and Korver

look at something other than a box score you nerd

[ArbitraryWater]

every time you post about anything before 2011 it becomes obvious you weren't watching

Kobe was 2nd in MVP first place votes, WHILE BEING LEFT OFF OF BALLOTS due to the insane media bias against him.

There's no argument against Kobe, with the worst supporting cast in the league he made the playoffs in the west

had arguably the the two most dominant regular season performances of all time

had two of the most dominating months in NBA history

beat Dirk and Dirk's team by himself on Dirk's home floor

scored 81 points in a game

set numerous records that will more than likely never be broken, Kobe's 2006 season was on of the most historic seasons for a player of all time.

So historic he wasn't top 3 in MVP voting... Kobe fans, making arguments with singular games.. love it. "but but but dat bias!!"

[ImKobe]

Kobe deserved it in 08 because his team was #1 in the Conference and Bynum went out like a month before the Gasol trade and they were still on pace to win 50+ games before the Gasol trade happened.

[swagga]

yeah, but the turnaround happened in 1980 and Erving had some nice stats this year.
J>Bird in points, FG%, steals and blocks.
Bird>J in rebounds, assists, and FT%

3 point shooting is negligible as it wasn't used much back then

Looks like J is just a bit higher
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/images/stories/Dr-J-Larry-Bird.jpeg
http://sportspainter.com/images/thumbs/drj_bird.jpg

I don't see how you can't say this was a close race as the actual voting showed.

Both teams won 62 games.
If you had voted after the playoffs, Bird would have won, but this is a pretty nice year for Dr. J. and he played like 4 min a game less than Bird.

you are right, my bad. Forgot the celtics turnaround was in 1980. Thanks for clearing that up :applause:

[Magic 32]

How is 08 still up for debate?

West+Chandler > PAU (30 games)/Odom/Bynum(30 games).

[Optimus Prime]

Derrick Rose, and it's not even close.

Honorable Mention: Steve Nash

[dubeta]

Funny how people claim 2006 was Kobe's peak, most dominant MVP year and it wasnt even better than a 20-21 year old LeBron that same year

[chazzy]

So historic he wasn't top 3 in MVP voting...
What does a media's vote have to do with how great a season was? You're completely out of touch of what the NBA was like that year, and every year before Dirk won a title it seems

[ImKobe]

Funny how people claim 2006 was Kobe's peak, most dominant MVP year and it wasnt even better than a 20-21 year old LeBron that same year

Bran is known for being a stat sheet stuffer

Kobe's run in the last 15 games of the season

39/6/4 on 49/37/85 shooting, 11-4 record

then add the 81 point game, outscoring a Finals team through 3 quarters....

eye test - Kobe was the best player in the league, bar none.

Bran put more effort into padding his rebounds and assists and won 5 more games in a much weaker conference despite having a much more deeper team around him.

Also, H2H, they were 1-1 against eachother with both winning on a game-winning shot.

[dubeta]

Bran is known for being a stat sheet stuffer

Kobe's run in the last 15 games of the season

39/6/4 on 49/37/85 shooting, 11-4 record

then add the 81 point game, outscoring a Finals team through 3 quarters....

eye test - Kobe was the best player in the league, bar none.

Bran put more effort into padding his rebounds and assists and won 5 more games in a much weaker conference despite having a much more deeper team around him.

Also, H2H, they were 1-1 against eachother with both winning on a game-winning shot.

Cool, LeBron was the stat stuffer, and Kobe was not. Yet LeBron's team won more games, and went further than Kobe's in the Playoffs?

And tell me more about how Damon Jones and Eric Snow were much better than Lakers. Odom and Bynum were better than any player on the Cavs.

Seems Kobe stats seem more 'empty' than LeBron's


LeBron has been a better basketball player since 2004-2005 its that simple

[Sarcastic]

Modern era is so damn weak. LeBron is the only one who could win in previous generations. Maybe Durant as well.

[Chadwin]

If you're going to take one away from Nash take 04-05, not the next year when Amare was out all season.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Modern era is so damn weak. LeBron is the only one who could win in previous generations. Maybe Durant as well.
https://phatfriend.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/tumblr_m78jf0jpv71qzht5bo1_1280.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

What does a media's vote have to do with how great a season was? You're completely out of touch of what the NBA was like that year, and every year before Dirk won a title it seems

Again, it wasn't historic enough to make him the clear cut best player.. or even an MVP candidate.

dem 35 ppgz bro. stop stanning and think of something else than volume scoring.

[Odinn]

The last time when a player won the mvp from a team that won less than 50 games, the year was 1982 and the winner was Moses Malone.

Kobe was the best player in the league in 2005-06 season but he didn't deserve to win the mvp award.

Nash's mvps are weak but I can not argue against him. In fact, he did deserve to win.
In 2004-05 the competition was, past-prime Shaq, injured Duncan and KG who couldn't make the playoffs.
In 2005-06, Amar'e missed the entire season yet the Suns were still a 54W team and a HCA team thanks to Nash.

In 1998-99 season, the award could have gone to any of Karl, Zo and Timmy. With many worthy candidates, it can look like the 1998-99 is weak. But I can not say Karl didn't deserve it.
The same thing can be said for Chuck, Hakeem and MJ in 1992-93. (Although due to level of play, this one is one of the best mvp races ever.)

The only unworthy winner is, IMHO;
2000-01 Iverson; just media hype. Shaq should have won it.

[chazzy]

Again, it wasn't historic enough to make him the clear cut best player.. or even an MVP candidate.

dem 35 ppgz bro. stop stanning and think of something else than volume scoring.
It wasn't an inefficient 35 and he led his team to the 8th best offense while carrying a poor cast. Being an MVP candidate is partially a product of your team's success and how much the media likes you.. that doesn't take away from how good you were individually.

[knicksman]

definitely bran. If shaq cant win because of kobe then so should bran but because he makes teammates worse, he got it. But meh, the results speak for itself.

[knicksman]

Funny how people claim 2006 was Kobe's peak, most dominant MVP year and it wasnt even better than a 20-21 year old LeBron that same year

LOL WUT.. where in the world is 2/5 greater than 5/7??

[dubeta]

LOL WUT.. where in the world is 2/5 greater than 5/7??

2/5 > 2/68

[Kvnzhangyay]

LOL WUT.. where in the world is 2/5 greater than 5/7??

In this world

[knicksman]

2/5 > 2/68

kobe>>>bran bro. Just deal with it. Life would be better. Trust me.

[SouBeachTalents]

The problem with Kobe winning in '06 is we all know that's not how the NBA MVP voting works. You simply have to lead your team to one of the 3-4 best records in the league. It's been that way for roughly 25 years now

[houston]

nash of course

[BasedTom]

derrick rose is the one that sticks out the most

[JohnFreeman]

Cool, LeBron was the stat stuffer, and Kobe was not. Yet LeBron's team won more games, and went further than Kobe's in the Playoffs?

And tell me more about how Damon Jones and Eric Snow were much better than Lakers. Odom and Bynum were better than any player on the Cavs.

Seems Kobe stats seem more 'empty' than LeBron's


LeBron has been a better basketball player since 2004-2005 its that simple
damn

[LAZERUSS]

This is really a poor topic.

"Least deserving MVP?"

Some MVP races were closer than other's, but I don't see a problem with ANY of the eventual winners.

I could see a topic of "Closest MVP Races Since 1980", but "least deserving?"

C'mon...

[Bigsmoke]

Dirk should've won in 06.....


But explain to me how:

Kobe putting up 35.4/5.3/4.5 on 55.9% TS and winning 45 games is much better than LeBron putting up 31.4/7.0/6.6 on 56.8% TS and winning 50 games ie more with a worse team

Lebron's Cavs were better and what LeBron has to do with Kobe shitting on Durk that year?

[navy]

This is really a poor topic.

"Least deserving MVP?"

Some MVP races were closer than other's, but I don't see a problem with ANY of the eventual winners.

I could see a topic of "Closest MVP Races Since 1980", but "least deserving?"

C'mon...
Pretty much this. There isnt a single "atrocity" on this list. Nobody won the mvp that wasn't a great player in that regular season.

[Dragic4Life]

Kobe 2008 and Servant last season.