View Full Version : If Derrick Rose's career ended today, would he be a HOFer? (All former MVPs are in)
Ancient Legend
02-19-2015, 04:15 PM
I think he would be the first one to not make it. Not enough cumulative stats or achievements besides a single MVP.
What say you?
ArbitraryWater
02-19-2015, 04:16 PM
We're talking about the trades right now, stfu
24-Inch_Chrome
02-19-2015, 04:16 PM
No chance.
IncarceratedBob
02-19-2015, 04:17 PM
Is Marcus Camby a hall of famer? yea, thought so
The_Pharcyde
02-19-2015, 04:17 PM
ehhh probably on the border, but as time passes his legend will increase exponentially... like penny and hill
so maybe because he has the MVP, but my guess right now would be no
this thread is just asking the rose haters to complain about his mvp, return, injury problems and syntax
L.Kizzle
02-19-2015, 04:21 PM
Yes.
MVP. All-NBA 1st Team. Three Time All-Star. Conference Finals. In Five Seasons.
There are players with more seasons and less accolades in the Hall. The late Walt Bellamy played 14 seasons, with only one more All-Star appearance. No MVP or All-League Teams or Conference Finals. He's In.
The_Pharcyde
02-19-2015, 04:24 PM
Yes.
MVP. All-NBA 1st Team. Three Time All-Star. Conference Finals. In Five Seasons.
There are players with more seasons and less accolades in the Hall. The late Walt Bellamy played 14 seasons, with only one more All-Star appearance. No MVP or All-League Teams or Conference Finals. He's In.
Rookie of the year and 2 fiba gold medals too
I think he gets in if stays even at this level for the rest of his career
but right now it would be a polarizing subject, i mean mitch richmond got in so it isnt inconceivable
would be awesome though
nathanjizzle
02-19-2015, 04:24 PM
Why would roses career end, its just beginning.
L.Kizzle
02-19-2015, 04:27 PM
Rookie of the year and 2 fiba gold medals too
I think he gets in if stays even at this level for the rest of his career
but right now it would be a polarizing subject, i mean mitch richmond got in so it isnt inconceivable
would be awesome though
Calvin Murphy. 1 All-Star game. Finals Appearance.
Earl Monroe. 4 All-Star games. 1 All-NBA 1st Team. No MVP. A ring though.
If Kevin Johnson gets in this year ...
Ancient Legend
02-19-2015, 04:32 PM
Calvin Murphy. 1 All-Star game. Finals Appearance.
Earl Monroe. 4 All-Star games. 1 All-NBA 1st Team. No MVP. A ring though.
If Kevin Johnson gets in this year ...
KJ made deep playoff runs, and maybe his helping to keep the Kings in Sacramento nudges him in, but as a player he's borderline.
Rose has flamed out in the playoffs, and looks like his best years are behind him in terms of athleticism and scoring ability.
The basketball hall of fame isnt that prestigious. I say the mvp is enough
beastee
02-19-2015, 04:36 PM
No. But if he plays 4-5 more seasons of above average ball and they make several ecf or finals appearances...then sure
greatest-ever
02-19-2015, 04:38 PM
No way.
Rose's only elite seasons were 2011 & 2012. He was good in 2010 but he wasn't a top 10 or 15 player.
On his resume he has an mvp, 3 all stars, and an all nba 1st team along with weak career totals in stats.
He wouldn't be hall of fame if he retired today and he won't be unless he can be a top 10 player again for at least a few seasons.
Lebron23
02-19-2015, 04:39 PM
KJ made deep playoff runs, and maybe his helping to keep the Kings in Sacramento nudges him in, but as a player he's borderline.
Rose has flamed out in the playoffs, and looks like his best years are behind him in terms of athleticism and scoring ability.
KJ is underrated. Prime KJ in today's NBA = Best Point Guard in the league.
greatest-ever
02-19-2015, 04:43 PM
Why would roses career end, its just beginning.
This is laughably false.
Rose is 26 and missed 2 seasons that were vital to his development due to serious injuries. He is not what he used to be and once his athleticism fades away he will fall of severely.
The_Pharcyde
02-19-2015, 04:45 PM
KJ made deep playoff runs, and maybe his helping to keep the Kings in Sacramento nudges him in, but as a player he's borderline.
Rose has flamed out in the playoffs, and looks like his best years are behind him in terms of athleticism and scoring ability.
Flamed out in the playoffs?
Rookie record for scoring and great performance vs 2009 celtics, major role in taking them to 7 along with ben gordon going off a couple games
a fantastic series against cleveland in 2010, but team overmatched with tons of roster turnover at deadline
then in 2011, leads bulls back in game 1 vs indiana, game winner in game 3 to force series to 3-0 and essentially ending it
career high vs atlanta the next series, and him and gibson played big roles in a 2-2 game 5 win, with a blowout the next game
then was trapped at half court by the heat forcing the ball out of his hands, with no other offensive threat on the team who could create their own shot. while being only 22 years old
in what universe could any 22 year old, 3rd year player ever take down lebron james, chris bosh and dwyane wade single handedly
yeah his numbers were awful, but the bulls were in every game in that series, rose couldnt beat them by himself, he was 100% the catalyst for that offense, noah wasnt what he is today, boozer had turf toe and is boozer, deng was nice, bogans was putrid... he is supposed to beat miami?? sounds like out of this world expectations for a guy who would be in college still
it is such a common misconception that rose fizzles out in the playoffs, and yeah you can say thibodeau's D is the reason the bulls were close, but what defensive scheme has ever ran a pick and roll, or nailed a 3 pointer?
Ancient Legend
02-25-2015, 03:19 AM
Why would roses career end, its just beginning.
:coleman:
deja vu
02-25-2015, 03:54 AM
I think having an MVP automatically ushers you into the HOF.
Pointguard
02-25-2015, 04:03 AM
KJ made deep playoff runs, and maybe his helping to keep the Kings in Sacramento nudges him in, but as a player he's borderline.
Rose has flamed out in the playoffs, and looks like his best years are behind him in terms of athleticism and scoring ability.
If he doesn't get in its because of his injuries and not his play and that's the asterisk. Rose has a playoff record and was the youngest MVP ever, was great in four different playoff series, never had a losing season, won MVP when two top 10 GOATS were in their prime and another top ten GOAT could still make the finals with regularity. So he has a chance.
Joyner82reload
02-25-2015, 04:06 AM
Why would roses career end, its just beginning.
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Why would roses career end, its just beginning.
lol
T_L_P
02-25-2015, 05:30 AM
If he doesn't get in its because of his injuries and not his play and that's the asterisk. Rose has a playoff record and was the youngest MVP ever, was great in four different playoff series, never had a losing season, won MVP when two top 10 GOATS were in their prime and another top ten GOAT could still make the finals with regularity. So he has a chance.
Kobe wasn't in his prime, and the other top ten GOAT (LeBron) has the better season (he was just playing with another MVP candidate).
The bit about Duncan(?) making the Finals means nothing, tbh...
If he doesn't make it will be because of injuries though.
poido123
02-25-2015, 05:39 AM
This is an odd thread to bump right after a guy tore his meniscus...
Sportal
02-25-2015, 05:41 AM
This is an odd thread to bump right after a guy tore his meniscus...
The question remains though.
poido123
02-25-2015, 05:45 AM
Perhaps you should look at the date it was created instead of getting all teary eyed?
Maybe you should read my quote again, after I amended it.
:hammerhead:
Sportal
02-25-2015, 05:47 AM
Maybe you should read my quote again, after I amended it.
:hammerhead:
Same :confusedshrug:
Cocaine80s
02-25-2015, 05:48 AM
hell no
Sportal
02-25-2015, 06:06 AM
Anyway, I'm sorry that you're sat there teary-eyed about this Poido. I wasn't overly happy about the news due to him being such a huge talent almost THREE years ago. He was talented, he was the "youngest MVP ever", he was the franchise player of the Chicago Bulls. But this was three years ago.
He is now a ridiculous amount of dollars richer and recently said about "after basketball" etc. (you know the article), and well, I wouldn't mope around, he's probably quite happy sitting around not risking anything else for the next year.
I'm more sad about Brandon Roy... still.
And as for the topic?
It would be a joke if he was ever a HOFer. You cannot put "what ifs" or players that have played what, 4 seasons?
305Baller
02-25-2015, 06:32 AM
Yes. He will be in the HOF.
SHAQisGOAT
02-25-2015, 06:47 AM
Don't know, maybe... I wouldn't hve high hopes about it though.
Eric Cartman
02-25-2015, 07:18 AM
If you let him in, might as well let Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis in.
Reggie43
02-25-2015, 08:48 AM
Nope. 4 seasons worth of games certainly not enough.
Pushxx
02-25-2015, 08:52 AM
Why would roses career end, its just beginning.
Jizzle curse?
Based on accolades he deserves it, but if he doesn't play another NBA game I wouldn't be surprised if he never gets in.
poido123
02-25-2015, 09:00 AM
If you let him in, might as well let Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis in.
They didn't win MVP's
lilteapot
02-25-2015, 09:06 AM
He's a hall of famer if only for the fact that he won MVP over a prime Lebron James and Dwight Howard.
Quickening
02-25-2015, 09:09 AM
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BigTicket
02-25-2015, 09:32 AM
I wouldn't vote for him, but I think he probably will get in eventually.
It's true that all previous MVPs are in, but then they all had better careers than Rose, so ...
BlackWhiteGreen
02-25-2015, 09:40 AM
He's a hall of famer if only for the fact that he won MVP when the media was biased against LeBron and Howard's team was trash
Fixed
Papaya Petee
02-25-2015, 10:12 AM
If you're going to let a guy in the Hall of Fame that played maybe 3-4 seasons at a high level and was the 6-7th best player in the NBA the year he won an MVP might as well eliminate the HOF.
AirFederer
02-25-2015, 10:14 AM
Mvp + fan favorite (was) so Yeah. Don't agree with it.
Psileas
02-25-2015, 10:36 AM
If Derrick Rose's career ended today, would he be a HOFer? (All former MVPs are in)
He'd still have a chance, but the bolded means little, as long as there's no MVP that has had such a short career as a potentially so early retired Rose. Wes Unseld would have had way less chances of being a HOFer if he had retired that early. Bill Walton would still be, thanks to his title run the previous season and his NCAA career.
Now, imagine a late bloomer like Steve Nash retiring at Rose's current age. Nobody would even care about it.
MVP
Rookie of the Year
two FIBA world championship gold medals
Led Memphis to the NCAA championship game
I wouldn't vote for him but the basketball HOF is so weak that he might get in.
poido123
02-25-2015, 10:53 AM
What is the clearcut benchmark for making the HOF? Is there one?
Then it comes down to opinion...
Cold soul
02-25-2015, 11:28 AM
Nope not for me his career is just too short to make the HOF not enough played seasons.
L.Kizzle
02-25-2015, 12:36 PM
If you let him in, might as well let Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis in.
He still has more all star games and all nba teams than them.
FireDavidKahn
02-25-2015, 12:52 PM
Not a chance in hell he would. The guy has only had one great season and two good (all star level) seasons. He isn't close to be deserving of the hall.
Akhenaten
02-25-2015, 01:24 PM
What is the clearcut benchmark for making the HOF? Is there one?
Then it comes down to opinion...
True indeed, I'm of the opinion that every player who has ever played in the NBA should get it, they all work so hard and try to do well, why should people be excluded this hurts people's feelings and is not fair.
04mzwach
02-25-2015, 02:01 PM
People wouldn't even talk about him really. He hasn't even made the finals.
Pointguard
02-25-2015, 02:41 PM
Kobe wasn't in his prime, and the other top ten GOAT (LeBron) has the better season (he was just playing with another MVP candidate).
Kobe was a champion the year before in one of his most dominant playoff performances. Unless he got shot, he was still in his prime.
Lebron, stop giving excuses guy and man up to what you say. Rose played significantly better than Lebron in fourth quarters and against better teams than Lebron did. Lebron was in his prime and had a worse record than Rose did despite Rose team having a ton of key injuries, less talented players and Rose lead a new young team in great fashion. In general, new teams suffered greatly at this time.
The bit about Duncan(?) making the Finals means nothing, tbh...
Duncan will get credit for winning 5 rings. It only means nothing if he gets credit for winning 4. In fact, after 2011, its the only time his team has come really close to a two peat. His best team two year run was yet to come when Rose won.
24-Inch_Chrome
02-25-2015, 02:59 PM
The only reason he has a shot is that the selection criteria for the basketball HoF is weak relative to other professional sports. Maurice Stokes got in with a 3 year career but that was a very special circumstance (and it still took almost 50 years after the end of his career for him to be inducted).
Shortest non-basketball career I found was a football player who made it to the HoF after 6 years, but he didn't get in until 30 years after his career ended.
I still don't think he'd be a deserving hall of famer, and there's no chance he'd make it if he played another professional sport, but the weakness of the basketball HoF might be enough for him to slip in.
Roundball_Rock
02-25-2015, 03:02 PM
It is hard to see. It depends on what level he plays out for the remainder of his career. He already has a MVP, ROY, and 3 all-star appearances on his resume. If he can put together, say, 2 more all-star seasons and have several other solid seasons he likely will get in. If he never makes another all-star game then he likely will not.
if he retired today? hell ****ing no lmao. he won a fraud, fluke ass mvp and that's it. only thing he's done in the nba were some flashy highlight plays, that's pretty much his career in a nut shell.
Meticode
02-25-2015, 05:56 PM
He might get voted in out of pity. I don't think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame though.
Euroleague
02-25-2015, 09:16 PM
Not a chance in hell.
Euroleague
02-25-2015, 09:25 PM
MVP
Rookie of the Year
two FIBA world championship gold medals
Led Memphis to the NCAA championship game
I wouldn't vote for him but the basketball HOF is so weak that he might get in.
MVP - worst MVP in NBA history.
two FIBA world championship gold medals - worst player on Team USA both times, and was a below average player versus what all the other players in the tournament were doing both times.
Led Memphis to the NCAA championship game - where he lost.
NOPE, not HOF material.
Smoke117
02-25-2015, 09:26 PM
Do I think he is? Absolutely not. Would he get in? Of course.
greymatter
02-26-2015, 04:48 PM
Absolutely not.
His MVP credential has a huge *
The MVP was gifted to him by the Spurs' injuries. He would not have had the narrative of being the best player on the best team had not Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili all gotten injured and the Spurs lost 8 of their final 12 games of the regular season to finish at 61Ws. The Bulls won 62 that year and the Spurs were on pace to finish with 66-67 before that final stretch.
He was arguably not even a top 5 player in his MVP season (LBJ, Durant, Wade, Howard, CP3, and maybe Kobe).
If Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill aren't going to make the HOF due to injury derailment, then neither should Rose.
padre
02-26-2015, 04:49 PM
scrub
Eric Cartman
02-26-2015, 04:56 PM
MVP - worst MVP in NBA history.
two FIBA world championship gold medals - worst player on Team USA both times, and was a below average player versus what all the other players in the tournament were doing both times.
Led Memphis to the NCAA championship game - where he lost.
NOPE, not HOF material.
Yeah, he's garbage on FIBA.
The Ronny Turiaf of team USA.
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