Special fact about Wilt's historic 55 rebound performance

[dubeta]

He lost the game.




Summed up Wilt's career perfectly

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Was probably missing wide open layups on purpose to statpad :facepalm:

[Marchesk]

So if Whiteside had 40 rebounds against Davis, and the Heat lost, you guys would be accusing him of stat padding, right?

[navy]

So if Whiteside had 40 rebounds against Davis, and the Heat lost, you guys would be accusing him of stat padding, right?
I dont know, was he stat padding?

[ArbitraryWater]

Was probably missing wide open layups on purpose to statpad :facepalm:

what happened to you, dawg

[Marchesk]

I dont know, was he stat padding?

TBH though, does that Wilt game exist on tape anywhere? I'd love to know how that went down. I'm going to guess that Russell couldn't handle Wilt when he was really on his game. Nobody could.

[LAZERUSS]

When MJ had his high point playoff game, of 63 points,...HE lost the game. In fact, HE was SWEPT in that series.

Nothing but a "stat-padding" "choker."

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, guess who Wilt's opposing center was in that 55 rebound game?

None other than Bill Russell, whom Wilt outrebounded by a 55-19 margin.

[jlip]

No stat padding going on by Wilt as it was only a three point victory for the Celtics (132-129). They actually had to rally from behind to win.

[dubeta]

When MJ had his high point playoff game, of 63 points,...HE lost the game. In fact, HE was SWEPT in that series.

Nothing but a "stat-padding" "choker."

100% agree, I've never considered Jordan clutch either

[SouBeachTalents]

100% agree, I've never considered Jordan clutch either

Then why do Jordan's playoff, and especially Finals numbers blow LeBron's away?

[dubeta]

Then why do Jordan's playoff, and especially Finals numbers blow LeBron's away?

No great wing rivals in his era, meaning he can conserve energy from not playing defense.

Guarded by 6'3 players half the time (Gary Payton)


And fast paced era with no zone defense, and a lot of iso 1-on1 coverage


Taking all of these things into account, i'm actually disappointed in Jordan's stats tbh

[CavaliersFTW]

Then why do Jordan's playoff, and especially Finals numbers blow LeBron's away?
Pippen and Jackson let Jordan get his padded stats, they had to sacrifice to get a title. Jordan rode Pippens intangibles to 6 titles it was Pippens intangibles that really anchored those teams, he was the best player in the Bulls Dynasty.

55 wins and only lost a rigged playoff game the season MJ left. Meanwhile, MJ without pippen never made it out of the 1st round.

[SouBeachTalents]

No great wing rivals in his era, meaning he can conserve energy from not playing defense.

Guarded by 6'3 players half the time (Gary Payton)


And fast paced era with no zone defense, and a lot of iso 1-on1 coverage


Taking all of these things into account, i'm actually disappointed in Jordan's stats tbh

Well I'm disappointed in these LeBron stats tbh

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2007_finals.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2011_finals.html

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

[Marchesk]

Pippen on that Kawhi level of finals performances.

Lebron on that Kobe level.

[swagga]

pace?
rebound rate?

[Marchesk]

pace?
rebound rate?

I can't find the full box score. It should be noted that Russell held the previous record at 51.

Wilt did have a 58 point, 42 rebound game the next month against Detroit.

Oh and he had a crazy 78/43 game against the Lakers the following season. Would love to have that on film.

[dubeta]

pace?
rebound rate?

A simple explanation, using advanced metrics, shows it is equivalent to 15 rebounds in today's NBA

Hardly impressive, considering players (Kevin Love, Dwight Howard, Deandre Jordan) average that during a few seasons.

[swagga]

I can't find the full box score. It should be noted that Russell held the previous record at 51.

Wilt did have a 58 point, 42 rebound game the next month against Detroit.

Oh and he had a crazy 78/43 game against the Lakers the following season. Would love to have that on film.

can't really judge his historic performance without full tape and/or pace stats. For all I know both teams could've been running SSOL layup brick contests.

[Marchesk]

A simple explanation, using advanced metrics, shows it is equivalent to 15 rebounds in today's NBA

Hardly impressive, considering players (Kevin Love, Dwight Howard, Deandre Jordan) average that during a few seasons.

Yeah, because a 7'1 giant at his best going against a top 5 center all-time who was also a great rebounder would only total what Love averaged.

[swagga]

Yeah, because a 7'1 giant at his best going against a top 5 center all-time who was also a great rebounder would only total what Love averaged.

I thought you were referring to dwight howard for a second, then I saw 7'1 and I knew you were talking about shaq .... oops.

Pace please.

[Marchesk]

Pace please.

The league pace that season was 127.7. The FG% was 41.5.

But I don't have the full box scores for those games. Maybe fplii, Laz or Cavs does.

[fpliii]

The league pace that season was 127.7. The FG% was 41.5.

But I don't have the full box scores for those games. Maybe fplii, Laz or Cavs does.
http://www47.zippyshare.com/v/iuZZYD9i/file.html

[Marchesk]

http://www47.zippyshare.com/v/iuZZYD9i/file.html

Thanks :cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

Outrebounding Russell 55-19, and out of a total of 149 rebounds, or at a 37% TRB%.

I notice OP didn't mention the '67 EDF's, when Wilt outrebounded Russell over the entire series by a 32.0 rpg to 23.4 rpg margin....in a blowout series WIN. Oh, and in game one Chamberlain outrebounded Russell, 32-15, and out of a total of 120 available rebounds. In game three Wilt set the all-time PLAYOFF record with 41 rebounds (to Russell's 29...and out of an available 134 rebounds.) And in the series clinching game, Chamberlain outrebounded Russell, 36-21, and out of an available 128 rebounds.

[sportjames23]

He lost the game.




Summed up Wilt's career perfectly


2/5

Sums up Lebron's career perfectly.

[Pointguard]

He lost the game.

Summed up Wilt's career perfectly
How about Lebron's historic efficiency run for a wing player while in his prime and then losing the FMVP to his opposing player who was rocking his best career year of 13/6.

A 55 rebound game on the his runner up as best rebounder is a great feat within itself. Its the equivalent of a SF getting 100 points on prime defensive Rodman. There is no man who ever played basketball that had more integrity and was more serious about his work than Russell. You couldn't pad on him in a North Face factory.

[T_L_P]

2/5

Sums up Lebron's career perfectly.

:roll:

[Marchesk]

The Warriors outrebounded the Celtics by 31 and still lost the game. They had 19 more FGA.

[LAZERUSS]

The Warriors outrebounded the Celtics by 31 and still lost the game. They had 19 more FGA.

Basically, it was even contest in terms of rebounding...except for the Russell-Wilt battle.

[Dengness9]

I was going to come in here and salute Dubeta for posting something productive but of course that wasn't the case.

Maybe one day soon:rolleyes:

[deja vu]

Nothing special about most of Wilt's records. If the NBA today has the same pace as the 60s, only very few of his records would remain standing.

[Marchesk]

Nothing special about most of Wilt's records. If the NBA today has the same pace as the 60s, only very few of his records would remain standing.

It's that he set so many, and some of those were out of reach of anyone else in the 60s.

Playing all but 8 minutes of every game in a high paced era for his 50/25 season without getting hurt or wearing down is incredible.

Being the only center to ever lead the league in assists is also amazing. Shooting 68% while still scoring 24 PPG in a lower shooting era is crazy (granted his FG% record was set a few years later on much less scoring).

[dunksby]

Seems like he did everything to win that game to me, and it's 55 rebounds, you can't underwhelm 55 rebounds when you see his matchup getting only 19. On another note Wilt's 15-42 FG line shows Russell (8-17) played elite D on him and of course another game where Wilt could have won the game if he had made his FTs 4-10; they lost the game by 3 :facepalm

[LAZERUSS]

Seems like he did everything to win that game to me, and it's 55 rebounds, you can't underwhelm 55 rebounds when you see his matchup getting only 19. On another note Wilt's 15-42 FG line shows Russell (8-17) played elite D on him and of course another game where Wilt could have won the game if he had made his FTs 4-10; they lost the game by 3 :facepalm

Chamberlain OVERWHELMED Russell in 75% of their H2H games...and in EVERY aspect of the game. I could show literally a HUNDRED games in which Chamberlain outsored AND outshot Russell from the field, and in MANY by HUGE margins.

Funny how you rush to Kareem's defense when Wilt held him FAR under his career FG%, and yet, you claim "elite" defense when Wilt massively outscores Russell, and in one of the FEW games in which Russell outshot him. In the 10 seasons that Wilt and Russell played in the league together, Russell shot .439 against the NBA, while Wilt shot .520 against the NBA...and yet, in their 143 career h2H's...Wilt outshot Russell by a .495 to .382 margin. And in their 49 career playoff H2H's, the margin was .513 to .411.

FT shooting? Without looking it up, I doubt there were more than 20 games out of those 143 H2H's in which Russell OUTSCORED Wilt from the line, and I KNOW that Wilt outscored Russell from the line in EVERY one of their eight career playoff series H2H's, and again, some by staggering margins.

For instance, in their '65 playoff series, in which Wilt dragged a 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss against Russell's 62-18 Celtics...Wilt outscored Russell, per game, by a 30.1 ppg to 15.6 ppg margin; out-rebounded Russell, per game, by a 31.4 rpg to 25.2 rpg margin; outshot from Russell from the floor, by a .555 to .447 margin; outshot Russell from the LINE by a .583 to .472 margin; and outscored Russell from the line by a 49-17 margin. Just totally obliterated him.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Chamberlain OVERWHELMED Russell in 75% of their H2H games...and in EVERY aspect of the game. I could show literally a HUNDRED games in which Chamberlain outsored AND outshot Russell from the field, and in MANY by HUGE margins.

Funny how you rush to Kareem's defense when Wilt held him FAR under his career FG%, and yet, you claim "elite" defense when Wilt massively outscores Russell, and in one of the FEW games in which Russell outshot him. In the 10 seasons that Wilt and Russell played in the league together, Russell shot .439 against the NBA, while Wilt shot .520 against the NBA...and yet, in their 143 career h2H's...Wilt outshot Russell by a .495 to .382 margin. And in their 49 career playoff H2H's, the margin was .513 to .411.

FT shooting? Without looking it up, I doubt there were more than 20 games out of those 143 H2H's in which Russell OUTSCORED Wilt from the line, and I KNOW that Wilt outscored Russell from the line in EVERY one of their eight career playoff series H2H's, and again, some by staggering margins.

For instance, in their '65 playoff series, in which Wilt dragged a 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss against Russell's 62-18 Celtics...Wilt outscored Russell, per game, by a 30.1 ppg to 15.6 ppg margin; out-rebounded Russell, per game, by a 31.4 rpg to 25.2 rpg margin; outshot from Russell from the floor, by a .555 to .447 margin; outshot Russell from the LINE by a .583 to .472 margin; and outscored Russell from the line by a 49-17 margin. Just totally obliterated him.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Did you watch Wilt play, live?

[LAZERUSS]

Did you watch Wilt play, live?

Live in as watching from the stands? Three times. Or live, as in watching him live on TV? Many times.

BTW, while I couldn't tell you how many live H2H games between Russell and Wilt that I saw (it may have been 20+), I never once came away thinking that Russell had outplayed Wilt. Granted, it was a small percentage of their 143 career matchups, but still, not ONE game.

[dunksby]

Chamberlain OVERWHELMED Russell in 75% of their H2H games...and in EVERY aspect of the game. I could show literally a HUNDRED games in which Chamberlain outsored AND outshot Russell from the field, and in MANY by HUGE margins.

Funny how you rush to Kareem's defense when Wilt held him FAR under his career FG%, and yet, you claim "elite" defense when Wilt massively outscores Russell, and in one of the FEW games in which Russell outshot him. In the 10 seasons that Wilt and Russell played in the league together, Russell shot .439 against the NBA, while Wilt shot .520 against the NBA...and yet, in their 143 career h2H's...Wilt outshot Russell by a .495 to .382 margin. And in their 49 career playoff H2H's, the margin was .513 to .411.

FT shooting? Without looking it up, I doubt there were more than 20 games out of those 143 H2H's in which Russell OUTSCORED Wilt from the line, and I KNOW that Wilt outscored Russell from the line in EVERY one of their eight career playoff series H2H's, and again, some by staggering margins.

For instance, in their '65 playoff series, in which Wilt dragged a 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss against Russell's 62-18 Celtics...Wilt outscored Russell, per game, by a 30.1 ppg to 15.6 ppg margin; out-rebounded Russell, per game, by a 31.4 rpg to 25.2 rpg margin; outshot from Russell from the floor, by a .555 to .447 margin; outshot Russell from the LINE by a .583 to .472 margin; and outscored Russell from the line by a 49-17 margin. Just totally obliterated him.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
I thought we were talking about his 55 rebound performance game? Oh, right it's the minister of propaganda for the imaginary Wilt offensive movement.

[Dresta]

He shot 15-42 :lol

Probs did 20 tips to himself.

[LAZERUSS]

Nothing special about most of Wilt's records. If the NBA today has the same pace as the 60s, only very few of his records would remain standing.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kareem played four years IN the "Wilt-era" and never approached Chamberlain's records. And he faced several of the same centers that Wilt would face in his prime, and again, nowhere near as dominant as Chamberlain was.

Incidently, remove Wilt from the NBA in the 14 seasons in which he played, and guess what...a TOTAL of FIVE 60+ point games. Or that the highest scoring full-time season was 35.6 ppg. Or the highest FG% was .587.

And then...how about this...


Aside from Chamberlain, there have been 36 30-30 games in NBA history, and Russell is the leader of that group, with 7 (Bellamy and Thurmond are next with 3 each.)

How about Wilt? 132.


40-30 (or 30-40) games: Other than Wilt, the NBA has had 9 40-30 games, with Baylor being the only player to have 2.

Chamberlain? 73


50-30 games: Pettit and Baylor each with 1

Wilt? 32


60-20 games: Aside from Wilt, there have been four (Baylor with 3 and Shaq with 1)

Chamberlain? 28


60-30 games: Baylor with 1

Wilt? 8


40-40 games: There have been 8 in the history of the NBA, and Chamberlain had all of them.


50-40 games: Obviously, Wilt would be the only player to have ever have accomplished that feat, which he did 5 times.


70-30 games: Chamberlain has the only 2, 78-43 and 73-36 (against Bellamy.)


Why ONLY Wilt?

[Lebronxrings]

meltdowns in this thread. dubeta got posters shook

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain's 55-19 margin over Russell in '61 translates to about a 32-11 margin in today's NBA.

It would be the equivalent of DJ outrebounding Drummond by a 32-11 margin.

[LAZERUSS]

The equivalent of Ben Wallace outrebounding Shaq by a 30-10 margin...

[LAZERUSS]

I dont know, was he stat padding?

Take a look at the score of this game going into the 4th quarter...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196202090BOS.html

[B-hoop]

Live in as watching from the stands? Three times. Or live, as in watching him live on TV? Many times.

BTW, while I couldn't tell you how many live H2H games between Russell and Wilt that I saw (it may have been 20+), I never once came away thinking that Russell had outplayed Wilt. Granted, it was a small percentage of their 143 career matchups, but still, not ONE game.

Dude stop lying, Milwad had old posts of you saying you never watched Wilt and how you thought he was overrated and a product of his era.

[LAZERUSS]

Dude stop lying, Milwad had old posts of you saying you never watched Wilt and how you thought he was overrated and a product of his era.

And he was a complete liar.

Never said either.

He also claimed that Hakeem never defended Kareem, either (and in a way, he was right.)

[Psileas]

Chamberlain's 55-19 margin over Russell in '61 translates to about a 32-11 margin in today's NBA.

It would be the equivalent of DJ outrebounding Drummond by a 32-11 margin.

I think it's closer to 36-13.

[LAZERUSS]

I think it's closer to 36-13.

Actually, you are right.

Can you imagine ESPN's coverage in a game in which Wilt outrebounded Drummond by a 36-13 margin?

As a side-note...Russell and Drummond were the same height.

[LAZERUSS]

I think it's closer to 36-13.

I wonder how a prime Chamberlain would have fared against a prime Moses?

[stanlove1111]

Chamberlain OVERWHELMED Russell in 75% of their H2H games...and in EVERY aspect of the game. I could show literally a HUNDRED games in which Chamberlain outsored AND outshot Russell from the field, and in MANY by HUGE margins.

:


Lets see Russell was known as the best defender ever, and there is no real stat for defense, so not sure how you are claiming that Wilt overwhelmed him in every aspect of the game..Just shows once again that you don't understand basketball and are like a 12 year old who found a stat book.

By the way are there any stats for blocking shots to teammates to start fast break? Are there any stats for setting up on the high post on offense so your teammates have more room to maneuver? Are there any stats for picks and screens? Are you any stats for what you did when the game was in doubt vs what you did when the game was already over?