Do you even lift bruh?

[jongib369]

Who lifts on insidehoops?? What kind of routines have you done? Has anyone tried stronglifts (http://stronglifts.com/5x5/)?

In highschool I was a bench and bicep tard. Had a serious case of Johnny Bravo with my long, once big arms and chest. Along with those glorious chicken Legs :roll:

Setup at my house blows...No room for a bench/power cage. So I can only squat what I can military press onto my shoulders, deadlift, bent over rows, and military press

But thankfully I got a membership recently, really looking forward to following stronglifts routine better

:cheers:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Who lifts on insidehoops?? What kind of routines have you done? Has anyone tried stronglifts (http://stronglifts.com/5x5/)?

In highschool I was a bench and bicep tard. Had a serious case of Johnny Bravo with my long, once big arms and chest. Along with those glorious chicken Legs :roll:

Setup at my house blows...No room for a bench/power cage. So I can only squat what I can military press onto my shoulders, deadlift, bent over rows, and military press

But thankfully I got a membership recently, really looking forward to following stronglifts routine better

:cheers:

I got really out of shape past few months. Been way too busy, still play basketball on the rare occasion.

[jongib369]

I got really out of shape past few months. Been way too busy, still play basketball on the rare occasion.
Life gets in the way sometimes haha. Some bball on occasion is still better than nothing.

[Im so nba'd out]

lets see carry a gun or spend hours lifting weights every week



hmmm tough decision

[jongib369]

lets see carry a gun or spend hours lifting weights every week



hmmm tough decision
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/attachments/fat-man-little-gun-500x375-jpg.47001/

[Im so nba'd out]

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/attachments/fat-man-little-gun-500x375-jpg.47001/
how did you get that picture of me? :biggums:

[Draz]

Who needs to lift when you got good looks

-pretty skinny ni99a flacko

[jongib369]

Who needs to lift when you got good looks

-pretty skinny ni99a flacko
Cuz there's guys with good looks like me liftin bruh

[Velocirap31]

I'm going to try it out just to mix things up. Thanks OP

[jongib369]

I'm going to try it out just to mix things up. Thanks OP
If you're doing 5x5 squat it might best to do 1x5 or 2x5 for deadlift. You can get away doing 5x5 deadlift for a bit if you're a beginner...But once you get to intermediate it might be too much

http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/DeadliftStandards.html

http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/SquatStandards.html

[alenleomessi]

yeah brah
im couple of years away from the jay cutler physique

[longtime lurker]

Strong lifts works. I swear by it, but the progress is very slow. You definitely can't rush it.

[KingBeasley08]

work hard and eat right. gotta make sure u do both

[jongib369]

Strong lifts works. I swear by it, but the progress is very slow. You definitely can't rush it.
Slow is fine by me! Not in a rush, gotta make sure that form is correct

[Velocirap31]

If you're doing 5x5 squat it might best to do 1x5 or 2x5 for deadlift. You can get away doing 5x5 deadlift for a bit if you're a beginner...But once you get to intermediate it might be too much

http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/DeadliftStandards.html

http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/SquatStandards.html

Nice, I'm bookmarking these standards. It's the squatting every workout that worries me a bit, I guess I could just go lighter than normal though. I'm usually toast for at least a couple days after leg day.

According to this I am: *Assuming these are all 10+ rep training weights, not 2 set maxes or something.

Press: Intermediate
Bench Press: Intermediate-Advanced
Squat: Novice-Intermediate
Deadlift: Not quite Novice (Clearly lagging behind here, but I do these rarely)

I don't even know how to properly power clean/snatch.

[JohnnySic]

Lifting is fun. The results are a bonus.

[jongib369]

Nice, I'm bookmarking these standards. It's the squatting every workout that worries me a bit, I guess I could just go lighter than normal though. I'm usually toast for at least a couple days after leg day.

According to this I am: *Assuming these are all 10+ rep training weights, not 2 set maxes or something.

Press: Intermediate
Bench Press: Intermediate-Advanced
Squat: Novice-Intermediate
Deadlift: Not quite Novice (Clearly lagging behind here, but I do these rarely)

I don't even know how to properly power clean/snatch.
The performance standards are adult standards (>18 years old) for a single maximal repetition (1RM) based on competitive weightlifter and powerlifting classification systems in use from the 1950's to present.

[jongib369]

Lifting is fun. The results are a bonus.
Exactly, I love the rush.

[jongib369]

After I fractured my sternum in 2010 I became a lazy stoner for about 4 years. Had chicken legs before then...So you could imagine where I was after the couch lock. But thankfully I gain "fast" and was able to become a "novice" deadlifter in a little over a month and a half. Feels great. Need to be strong if I want to become a firefighter

[Smook A.]

Ya I lift. I mean, I don't wanna be sitting on my ass everyday, posting on ISH :D

I was lazy as hell when I first joined ISH. Good god, I felt like I would just post a billion times everyday. A little less than 3-4 months ago, I decided to join a gym again. Honestly felt like a fat worthless loser after posting so much and being on the computer/phone/tv non-stop. Since I joined the gym, I've felt so much better. Been eating right, and working out a lot. Just a big boost for my ego.

[jongib369]

Ya I lift. I mean, I don't wanna be sitting on my ass everyday, posting on ISH :D

I was lazy as hell when I first joined ISH. Good god, I felt like I would just post a billion times everyday. A little less than 3-4 months ago, I decided to join a gym again. Honestly felt like a fat worthless loser after posting so much and being on the computer/phone/tv non-stop. Since I joined the gym, I've felt so much better. Been eating right, and working out a lot. Just a big boost for my ego.
Damn dude, you do have a lot of posts considering when you joined :lol

But don't worry, you aren't necessarily wasting your time. You just got a little too enveloped in a hobby. But there's nothing wrong with binging on it....Just make sure to make room for other things, like you have lately! Keep up the hard work and feel free to post about your progress! There's a lot of d bags on here but some of us give a crap about the ISH community and peeps in general

:cheers:

[Draz]

Wish I could work out with some of you ;)

[Akrazotile]

Wish I could work out with some of you ;)



http://www.dudelol.com/DO-NOT-HOTLINK-IMAGES/no-this-is-the-ultimate-look-of-disapproval.gif

[Smook A.]

Damn dude, you do have a lot of posts considering when you joined :lol

But don't worry, you aren't necessarily wasting your time. You just got a little too enveloped in a hobby. But there's nothing wrong with binging on it....Just make sure to make room for other things, like you have lately! Keep up the hard work and feel free to post about your progress! There's a lot of d bags on here but some of us give a crap about the ISH community and peeps in general

:cheers:
:cheers:

I'll keep that in mind.

[Bandito]

Who needs to lift when you got good looks

-pretty skinny ni99a flacko
Not everybody is as good looking as you bruh...:biggums:

[Bandito]

Ya I lift. I mean, I don't wanna be sitting on my ass everyday, posting on ISH :D

I was lazy as hell when I first joined ISH. Good god, I felt like I would just post a billion times everyday. A little less than 3-4 months ago, I decided to join a gym again. Honestly felt like a fat worthless loser after posting so much and being on the computer/phone/tv non-stop. Since I joined the gym, I've felt so much better. Been eating right, and working out a lot. Just a big boost for my ego.
Wonder where you went. Why don't you take arbitrary water with you? He could use some tanning too.

[sundizz]

Lifting is such a waste of time.

You guys doing that Egyptian slave routine...for fun. Ridiculous.

Walk a decent amount everyday + eat real non processed food = a much healthier and longer life than by destroying your bodies with that constant stress of demanding manual labor.

Don't get me wrong...you lifters probably will look "better" but even that is debateable. Girls don't really care as long as you aren't fat or super skinny. Handsome is handsome. Maybe you care how guys think you look :confusedshrug:

[Im Still Ballin]

Stronglifts is too much volume for a beginner to be making optimal progression IMO

SS is a better choice

[Im Still Ballin]

Lifting is such a waste of time.

You guys doing that Egyptian slave routine...for fun. Ridiculous.

Walk a decent amount everyday + eat real non processed food = a much healthier and longer life than by destroying your bodies with that constant stress of demanding manual labor.

Don't get me wrong...you lifters probably will look "better" but even that is debatable. Girls don't really care as long as you aren't fat or super skinny. Handsome is handsome. Maybe you care how guys think you look :confusedshrug:
It's all about perception and values my friend

Something that is a waste of time to you, might not be for someone else. Some guys don't limit their journey in life based on what girls think, do or care. If you limit your personal development and progression based on primal and instinctive attractions for individually thinking beings, you will never achieve greatness in life. You must have a vision my friend. A vision of yourself, and you must strive. Strive every day to reach that vision, whatever it is. Just don't let the acceptance of others hold you back.

[sundizz]

It's all about perception and values my friend

Something that is a waste of time to you, might not be for someone else. Some guys don't limit their journey in life based on what girls think, do or care. If you limit your personal development and progression based on primal and instinctive attractions for individually thinking beings, you will never achieve greatness in life. You must have a vision my friend. A vision of yourself, and you must strive. Strive every day to reach that vision, whatever it is. Just don't let the acceptance of others hold you back.

This answer actually had me backpedalin....that was deep lol.

That's coo - i dig that. Working out for "fun" is legit. Getting huge for "health" reasons is bogus. Same way I kill myself playing hoops. I know that I do it for fun and that it more than likely is bad for my body in the long run. A quick 20 minute, controlled, intense workout + walking is better for my health than a 3 hour grueling session of hoops.

[Draz]

Not everybody is as good looking as you bruh...:biggums:
Don't be such a flirt

[jongib369]

Stronglifts is too much volume for a beginner to be making optimal progression IMO

SS is a better choice
You're completely right. I just borrowed some of the concepts while I was using my unsatisfactory setup that limits what I can do. I'm 185 and started deadlifting with 115, even though it felt as light as baby shit. Wanted to make sure my form was perfect. Then did it 3 days a week like how they have you do squats, going up 5 every time (10 max on a couple of occasions because of being impatient). Beggining of December I started, by January 4th(was wrong about the date in another post) could do a 5x5 with 235, with 1 1/2 minute breaks between sets. If I were to do as many reps as I could in a single set it'd be about 10-15..But I've never done it because your form gets sloppy with that nonsense. It's baby weight, but I'm happy with the progress. Even if Ive been forced to stall since because of the bar at home not being able to hold anymore weight

:cheers:

[jongib369]

http://startingstrength.com

:banana:

[imnew09]

Yeee. tricep has became my favorite exercise!

[Velocirap31]

Yeee. tricep has became my favorite exercise!

Okay, buyt don't be one of those noobs at the gym doing 'arm days'. Waste of time. Compound exercises and do some arm work at the very end when you're already toast. Your tricep day should become your chest/shoulder day. Do what you want, but after you've worked out for years you're going to figure this out anyway.

[alenleomessi]

Okay, buyt don't be one of those noobs at the gym doing 'arm days'. Waste of time. Compound exercises and do some arm work at the very end when you're already toast. Your tricep day should become your chest/shoulder day. Do what you want, but after you've worked out for years you're going to figure this out anyway.
great advice to have chicken arms

[Velocirap31]

great advice to have chicken arms

Enjoy your big arms with your underdeveloped chest, shoulders and back. You'll look like an idiot. I have 18" arms myself, but whats most impressive is my chest, shoulders and back size/strength. Proportion is key.

[Im Still Ballin]

alen can bench 225 12 times

[alenleomessi]

Enjoy your big arms with your underdeveloped chest, shoulders and back. You'll look like an idiot. I have 18" arms myself, but whats most impressive is my chest, shoulders and back size/strength. Proportion is key.
what are you saying dude? there are 7 f*cking days in a week there is enough time for every bodypart.. why shouldnt a sane person have an arm day? because its too mainstream?

here is my split
mon-chest
tue-back
wed-delts
thu-arms
fri-legs
sat-rest if i need it if not repeat

[alenleomessi]

alen can bench 225 12 times
13 reps on 230 today
i will go lighter on saturday and maybe try 250 next week

seems like i was holding out last year, i was training without a partner i could never go to failure

[Velocirap31]

what are you saying dude? there are 7 f*cking days in a week there is enough time for every bodypart.. why shouldnt a sane person have an arm day? because its too mainstream?

here is my split
mon-chest
tue-back
wed-delts
thu-arms
fri-legs
sat-rest if i need it if not repeat

Yeah, that's fine. I do this:

Day 1 - Back/Delts
Day 2 - Legs
Day 3 - Chest/Shoulders
Day 4 - Off
Day 5 - Back/Delts
Day 6 - Legs
Day 7 - Chest/Shoulders

Pattern, Repeat. I'm getting twice the workout each week with plenty of rest. You could be doing more.

[JohnnySic]

Okay, buyt don't be one of those noobs at the gym doing 'arm days'. Waste of time. Compound exercises and do some arm work at the very end when you're already toast. Your tricep day should become your chest/shoulder day. Do what you want, but after you've worked out for years you're going to figure this out anyway.
This is basically what I do. Dedicating a day to arms only is a waste, since its a relatively easy workout. Now I sprinkle my arm work across the rest of my workouts, when I'm done with the heavy stuff.

[Jailblazers7]

This is basically what I do. Dedicating a day to arms only is a waste, since its a relatively easy workout. Now I sprinkle my arm work across the rest of my workouts, when I'm done with the heavy stuff.

Yeah, it's hard for me to justify going to the gym just to do arms when I can throw in biceps with a back day and triceps with a chest day or something like that. I'd rather just spend that day as a cardio day by going on a run or finding a pick up game if I feel the need to workout.

[Budadiiii]

Yeah, that's fine. I do this:

Day 1 - Back/Delts
Day 2 - Legs
Day 3 - Chest/Shoulders
Day 4 - Off
Day 5 - Back/Delts
Day 6 - Legs
Day 7 - Chest/Shoulders

Pattern, Repeat. I'm getting twice the workout each week with plenty of rest. You could be doing more.
:facepalm

No arms or neck.

What about abs?

Compound exercises are obviously great but you need to isolate biceps, triceps, forearms and even your neck for overall aesthetic purposes.

Especially if you don't have a naturally thick looking bicep. Deadlifts and rows won't get the job done.

Compound workouts + isolation workouts = strength/aesthetics

Why on Earth you wouldn't be isolating your biceps and triceps is beyond me.

[alenleomessi]

triceps wont grow just from doing chest.. not even close.. you need to hit them hard and heavy.. biceps.. depends on the person.. for some people doing back is enough (assuming you are doing pullups, chinups, rows and not using machines).. i think you should still add another exercise to isolate them

[CP343]

I used to lift, but I gave up a few years ago. Acceptance is just easier.

[jongib369]

13 reps on 230 today
i will go lighter on saturday and maybe try 250 next week

seems like i was holding out last year, i was training without a partner i could never go to failure
Damn dude, how much do you weigh? I haven't benched seriously in 5 years because of that sternum fracture and torn muscle fibers I mentioned....My max bench atm is probably only 160-180, like my freshman year of football When I first picked up weights....Really looking forward to starting it up again next week

[PullupJay]

I used to lift, but I gave up a few years ago. Acceptance is just easier.
Never give up. No excuses.

[alenleomessi]

Damn dude, how much do you weigh? I haven't benched seriously in 5 years because of that sternum fracture and torn muscle fibers I mentioned....My max bench atm is probably only 160-180, like my freshman year of football When I first picked up weights....Really looking forward to starting it up again next week
187 at 5'11 1/2
ive been lifting for 2 years and 4 months.. started off at 120lbs, pretty much borderline anorexic

[Velocirap31]

:facepalm

No arms or neck.

What about abs?

Compound exercises are obviously great but you need to isolate biceps, triceps, forearms and even your neck for overall aesthetic purposes.

Especially if you don't have a naturally thick looking bicep. Deadlifts and rows won't get the job done.

Compound workouts + isolation workouts = strength/aesthetics

Why on Earth you wouldn't be isolating your biceps and triceps is beyond me.

I do arms at the end of compound workouts as said in earlier post. Abs are every other day, they're not something one needs to plan for, do them as you please. Forgot neck, its under back day.

[Velocirap31]

triceps wont grow just from doing chest.. not even close.. you need to hit them hard and heavy.. biceps.. depends on the person.. for some people doing back is enough (assuming you are doing pullups, chinups, rows and not using machines).. i think you should still add another exercise to isolate them

Agreed on the triceps, I just do them at the end of chest day. I'm not saying what I do is perfect and everyone is different. I wish I did shoulders more, they're a weak link but I don't want to miss chest days because of them. I wish I did deadlifts more to, but I just don't like them and they interfere with back and leg days too much. I've hurt my wrists doing bicep curls so I just go really light or don't bother, but you make good points.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Chest, shoulders, and triceps go great together.

Back and biceps go great together as well. Nothing gets the juices flowing like attempting a personal record on the deadlift. It's my favorite exercise.

Legs deserve their agonizingly torturous day. I finally got into using knee wraps for my heaviest lifts and they've given my leg workouts a massive boost.

[TheNaturalWR]

lol @ all these people having and arguing for arm days. Push Pull Legs is pretty much the GOAT natty split.

[Im Still Ballin]

In the end there's no point being an elitist in regards to lifting weights. I hear those compound dweebs on their high horses saying that machines and any isolation/bodybuilding movement is completely un-functional and useless. Then there's the wannabe bodybuilders who are basing their training on some magazine steroid junkie who just got done jabbing 3ccs of test into their ass.

At the end of the day every exercise is effective for its own purpose. I personally like to lift heavy compounds and mix it in with high volume accessories... I enjoy doing isolations... They have their purpose. No point hating on others for how they train. Gains will pretty much be made regardless... Progressive overload is king though... Law of deminishing returns

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Doing 20-30 rep sets of calisthenics + KB stuff for more + sprints. Seems to have better carryover to real life. Speed and agility seem to be the forte, and I should be developing that forte.

Suck balls at any lift not named deadlift lol.

[SAKOTXA]

Chest, shoulders, and triceps go great together.

Back and biceps go great together as well. Nothing gets the juices flowing like attempting a personal record on the deadlift. It's my favorite exercise.

Legs deserve their agonizingly torturous day. I finally got into using knee wraps for my heaviest lifts and they've given my leg workouts a massive boost.
:oldlol:

[Velocirap31]

:oldlol:

They do. Do chest first and kill it. Then move onto shoulders which should have some burn, but still be alright and kill those. Now do a few sets for your dead triceps if you can, workout over. Arm days are just something a high school kid does thinking he'll get big guns.

Back and bi's go best together. A good back workout should finish your biceps as they'll give out before your powerful back does. Hell, my back never gives out, it's always my biceps and forearms that can't go anymore.

Legs are simple, but don't do calf raises until the very end of the workout.

I work out the big muscles and make the little ones keep up.

[sundizz]

Just curious how many of you actually are able to use your strength?

How many of you can...

1. Serve a tennis ball (out of 3 tries) at over 75 mph?
2. Pitch a strike (out of 3 tries) over 40 mph
3. Throw a regulation size football over 35 yards (3 tries)?
4. Hit a golf ball over 200 yards consistently?
5. Make 4/10 on three pointers consistently (practicing)?
6. Vertical jump over 35 inches?
7. Box?
8. MMA/wrestle/karate/etc?

I don't lift but can do 7 out of 8 on there (can't hit a golf ball at all).

[Im Still Ballin]

Just curious how many of you actually are able to use your strength?

How many of you can...

1. Serve a tennis ball (out of 3 tries) at over 75 mph?
2. Pitch a strike (out of 3 tries) over 40 mph
3. Throw a regulation size football over 35 yards (3 tries)?
4. Hit a golf ball over 200 yards consistently?
5. Make 4/10 on three pointers consistently (practicing)?
6. Vertical jump over 35 inches?
7. Box?
8. MMA/wrestle/karate/etc?

I don't lift but can do 7 out of 8 on there (can't hit a golf ball at all).
Most guys who lift are ****ing terrible athletes

My gym is terrible... 90% are no leg training chest and arm lads and the small percentage who do train legs in any form are usually terrible at it AKA quarter squats, rounded deadlifts or just use the leg press/machines. Then there's that 1% of guys who actually know what they're doing.

Got these curls and bench lords who walk around like their tough as **** but deep down they know I'd drop them in seconds and proceed to sit my huge glutes on their heads.

Essentially people who lift for all the wrong reasons (AKA look good for the girls) they want to LOOK strong but they don't want to LIFT heavy..

Ronny summed it up best; Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder, but nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight

[ThePhantomCreep]

Just curious how many of you actually are able to use your strength?

How many of you can...

1. Serve a tennis ball (out of 3 tries) at over 75 mph?
2. Pitch a strike (out of 3 tries) over 40 mph
3. Throw a regulation size football over 35 yards (3 tries)?
4. Hit a golf ball over 200 yards consistently?
5. Make 4/10 on three pointers consistently (practicing)?
6. Vertical jump over 35 inches?
7. Box?
8. MMA/wrestle/karate/etc?

I don't lift but can do 7 out of 8 on there (can't hit a golf ball at all).Considering you posted this just a few days ago...

Walk a decent amount everyday + eat real non processed food = a much healthier and longer life than by destroying your bodies with that constant stress of demanding manual labor.

...I don't believe you can do any of that shit. Not well, anyway. But hey, if you need to delude yourself into thinking you're Jim Thorpe Jr. to justify never hitting the weights, knock yourself out.

[JohnnySic]

Most guys who lift are ****ing terrible athletes

My gym is terrible... 90% are no leg training chest and arm lads and the small percentage who do train legs in any form are usually terrible at it AKA quarter squats, rounded deadlifts or just use the leg press/machines. Then there's that 1% of guys who actually know what they're doing.

Got these curls and bench lords who walk around like their tough as **** but deep down they know I'd drop them in seconds and proceed to sit my huge glutes on their heads.

Essentially people who lift for all the wrong reasons (AKA look good for the girls) they want to LOOK strong but they don't want to LIFT heavy..

Ronny summed it up best; Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder, but nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight
True. Most guys at my gym train to look like they lift, and dont do any of the money exercises (squats, deads, cleans, barbell rows, etc). I never really understood that mentality.

[Im Still Ballin]

True. Most guys at my gym train to look like they lift, and dont do any of the money exercises (squats, deads, cleans, barbell rows, etc). I never really understood that mentality.
So true to me I'd feel like a fraud if I were in that boat.

The worst are the ones who are on gear and have the same mentality.. just to look good. I remember a guy from high school who was obviously on the juice in the last year or two of school... He probs thought he was a god at the time... Never trained the big three outside of the bench... Not even 2 years later he was looking just the same as he was before he ever picked up a barbell... Classic example of someone who should never touch that shit... A few killer cycles, look jacked for a little, then kill your natural test, balls are ****ed up, got gyno forming, balding prematurely, etc, all in the name of looking good to probably impress girls who really don't care these days.

[JohnnySic]

So true to me I'd feel like a fraud if I were in that boat.

The worst are the ones who are on gear and have the same mentality.. just to look good. I remember a guy from high school who was obviously on the juice in the last year or two of school... He probs thought he was a god at the time... Never trained the big three outside of the bench... Not even 2 years later he was looking just the same as he was before he ever picked up a barbell... Classic example of someone who should never touch that shit... A few killer cycles, look jacked for a little, then kill your natural test, balls are ****ed up, got gyno forming, balding prematurely, etc, all in the name of looking good to probably impress girls who really don't care these days.
On the gear while in high school. Ouch.

[Velocirap31]

I have a few professional bodybuilders at my gym. They have signed pictures of themselves up on the walls and are extremely full of themselves. They're absolutely on steroids and lift an impossible amount of weight. I get annoyed when non-gym goers think I use steroids because I look decently strong. I'm guessing the lazy guys who use roids would look like me and the ones that work their asses off on roids look like the guys I mentioned at my gym. I still don't have much respect for either, but the roiders I see are monsters for sure.

[JohnnySic]

I have a few professional bodybuilders at my gym. They have signed pictures of themselves up on the walls and are extremely full of themselves. They're absolutely on steroids and lift an impossible amount of weight. I get annoyed when non-gym goers think I use steroids because I look decently strong. I'm guessing the lazy guys who use roids would look like me and the ones that work their asses off on roids look like the guys I mentioned at my gym. I still don't have much respect for either, but the roiders I see are monsters for sure.
More guys take steroids than you think. Its just that most of them either dont know what they're doing or train like wussies (or both), so they dont get much from the drugs.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Just curious how many of you actually are able to use your strength?

How many of you can...

1. Serve a tennis ball (out of 3 tries) at over 75 mph?
2. Pitch a strike (out of 3 tries) over 40 mph
3. Throw a regulation size football over 35 yards (3 tries)?
4. Hit a golf ball over 200 yards consistently?
5. Make 4/10 on three pointers consistently (practicing)?
6. Vertical jump over 35 inches?
7. Box?
8. MMA/wrestle/karate/etc?

I don't lift but can do 7 out of 8 on there (can't hit a golf ball at all).

The hell is your point?
THOSE. ARE. SKILLS.

SKILLS.

WHICH REQUIRE REPETITION AND PRACTICE TO MASTER.

And what's your other point about excessive stress on the body.

Dude, bodybuilders lived to be in their 70s. Jack Lalanne 90s. etc. etc.

I understand that you are curbing our thinking to integrate the parameters of long term effects, cost-benefit ratio, and practicality, and good on you for that, but that other scenario 1800 cals and light activity? What the fukkkk.