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Prime_Shaq

02-22-2015, 10:24 AM

ElPigto

02-22-2015, 10:32 AM

CeltsGarlic

02-22-2015, 10:52 AM

the "lay up" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHX6zH-ihVY)

brantonli

02-22-2015, 11:03 AM

Brandon was definitely going to be special. I would no doubt rank him above Thompson, but with Harden the way he is playing right now I would say they are about even. It's not fair that the basketball gods robbed us of Brandon.

Roy put up some ridiculous numbers against Houston in the playoffs, I hated him for that 3 pointer game winner he sank. Such the shame the SG position is Harden and Thompson and that's it.

The Blazers had amazing good and back luck in drafting players, Greg Oden, Lamarcus Aldridge, Brandon Roy, Damian Lillard. You barely even need an SF is that lineup was ever healthy. Although that would've made the Western Conference even more unfair relative to the Eastern Conference.

MP.Trey

02-22-2015, 11:03 AM

Before Damian Lillard:
http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4398543/portland.gif

There was Brandon Roy:
http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/other/grand/Brandon_Roy39s_Game_Winner_Aga_640498c039ecbace721 bca848d02aa6f.gif

JohnnySic

02-22-2015, 12:00 PM

I liked his game. He was like the Tim Duncan of shooting guards. Fundamentally sound and no flash.

Cali Syndicate

02-22-2015, 12:40 PM

Yeah, sucks the way his knees gave way. One of my favorite players. I'd take Pre-injury Roy over both harden or klay.

theoneneo

02-22-2015, 12:51 PM

I liked his game. He was like the Tim Duncan of shooting guards. Fundamentally sound and no flash.

literally the best comparison I've ever heard of him:bowdown:

Prime_Shaq

02-22-2015, 01:04 PM

I liked his game. He was like the Tim Duncan of shooting guards. Fundamentally sound and no flash.
I agree with the fundamentally sound but I thought his game was so nice to watch. Just so natural and smooth as fck.

Cali Syndicate

02-22-2015, 01:11 PM

I agree with the fundamentally sound but I thought his game was so nice to watch. Just so natural and smooth as fck.

Duncan was natural and smooth as well. I get what youre saying though. Roy's lift on his jumpers and ability to slash and finish with his left was pretty damn entertaining.

KNOW1EDGE

02-22-2015, 01:12 PM

I liked his game. He was like the Tim Duncan of shooting guards. Fundamentally sound and no flash.

Wow. You just blew my mind with that one.
Idk how I never thought of that. 100% accurate
I absolutely loved B.Roy, still have 2 of his jerseys.
I wish his knees held up because he was such a great player and a humble, respectable individual
It's nice to see that people outside of Portland appreciate what he accomplished

atljonesbro

02-22-2015, 01:35 PM

Roy was good but he wouldn't be better than Harden.. Let's be real here. Harden is pretty clearly better

IncarceratedBob

02-22-2015, 02:17 PM

I had no idea who this was until I googled him. Looks like a good player, nothing special though, why the thread?

Proctor

02-22-2015, 02:17 PM

Roy was good but he wouldn't be better than Harden.. Let's be real here. Harden is pretty clearly better
:roll: :roll: :roll:

ElPigto

02-22-2015, 02:23 PM

Roy was good but he wouldn't be better than Harden.. Let's be real here. Harden is pretty clearly better

Go troll somewhere else pendejo.

Papaya Petee

02-22-2015, 02:24 PM

Roy was good but he wouldn't be better than Harden.. Let's be real here. Harden is pretty clearly better
23\5\5 on 48% FG 37.7% 3PT 82.4% FT and IMO he was Elite defensively and his team went 54-28 that year.

That was a 3rd year Roy.
The next year his knee injuries kicked in but he still finished that season at 22\5\5.

If Roy stayed healthy and continued his development, he would of been a 26\5\5 player on great efficiency and great defense. Which would make him as good or better than Harden.

j3lademaster

02-22-2015, 02:35 PM

23\5\5 on 48% FG 37.7% 3PT 82.4% FT and IMO he was Elite defensively and his team went 54-28 that year. Please elaborate on his defense. It never looked particularly impressive to me. I mean flashes of lockdown D at times, but elite? Also, he's had a negative defensive RAPM every season.

Great offensive talent though. Can play offball as well as run point. Just wish he had more than just 1 healthy playoff series to judge off of.

sammichoffate

02-22-2015, 03:13 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaTBKC2loLw
Probably the game that defines his career. Even on bad knees, still found a way to will his team to a win against a god-like Dirk that year.

KNOW1EDGE

02-22-2015, 03:24 PM

I had no idea who this was until I googled him. Looks like a good player, nothing special though, why the thread?

How old are you?

Kobe has stated that Roy was his toughest match-up in the NBA, the hardest to guard. That was over D-Wade.

Rookie of the year. All-star. Top 3 SG in the league at the time. Hit some massive shots. Had some massive games.

I'm guessing you didn't watch the NBA back then if you honestly didn't know who Brandon Roy was.

WTFdidNBAbigsGO

02-22-2015, 03:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaTBKC2loLw
Probably the game that defines his career. Even on bad knees, still found a way to will his team to a win against a god-like Dirk that year.
God damn, that was amazing, had me in chills watching. Even he probably realized that he may never have another chance to have a game like that again at the end.

IncarceratedBob

02-22-2015, 03:32 PM

How old are you?

Kobe has stated that Roy was his toughest match-up in the NBA, the hardest to guard. That was over D-Wade.

Rookie of the year. All-star. Top 3 SG in the league at the time. Hit some massive shots. Had some massive games.

I'm guessing you didn't watch the NBA back then if you honestly didn't know who Brandon Roy was.
I start watching basket ball in the year two thousand and 9. But we don't not get all the games where I am from. We are lucky to get replays of a game every week. I apologize if not knowing of Mr Brandon Roy offend you but I am just curious about players and I want too know more about them. I don't not want to tell you how old am I sorry

qrich

02-22-2015, 03:32 PM

Roy would've been the best two in the league with very little discussion. There was nothing that he couldn't do. Just disgusting.

bizil

02-22-2015, 04:10 PM

All around wise, a healthy B Roy would be the best SG in the world today. He would have better D than Harden. And is a better passer than Klay. In terms of who would be the best SG in general, it would come down to Roy and Harden. U can go either way in my opinion.

Scoring wise, Roy was more like Wade and focused on the midrange game and slashing. Harden relies MUCH MORE on the three ball as a weapon. So it could come down to a matter of taste because I think u could go either way.

longtime lurker

02-22-2015, 04:30 PM

atljonesbro

02-22-2015, 04:36 PM

Go troll somewhere else pendejo.
Roy was 23/5/5 guy in his prime. Come on don't let his career ending injury make us start overrating the guy. Harden is easily betters. I watched a lot lf Roy, he didn't play elite defense at all. His defense was probably on par with Harden's this season.

KNOW1EDGE

02-22-2015, 04:39 PM

Roy was 23/5/5 guy in his prime. Come on don't let his career ending injury make us start overrating the guy. Harden is easily betters. I watched a lot lf Roy, he didn't play elite defense at all. His defense was probably on par with Harden's this season.

Stop it

Done_And_Done

02-22-2015, 04:56 PM

I start watching basket ball in the year two thousand and 9. But we don't not get all the games where I am from. We are lucky to get replays of a game every week. I apologize if not knowing of Mr Brandon Roy offend you but I am just curious about players and I want too know more about them. I don't not want to tell you how old am I sorry

Why you typing like a fob lol

Dresta

02-22-2015, 06:02 PM

jamal99

02-22-2015, 06:46 PM

My favorite player at the time.

I still have these at home...
http://www.sneakerfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/bluechipbroymain.jpg

atljonesbro

02-22-2015, 06:49 PM

So much stupid...
Give me a reason why Roy was better than current Harden besides stupid hypotheticals, because every time someone has a career ending injury like this they end up getting overrated. Happens in everything when someone's career gets cut short in some way.

RoseCity07

02-22-2015, 06:55 PM

What people don't remember about Roy is that earlier in his career he used to have many near triple doubles. As his knees wore down his scoring went up and he wasn't so great on the boards or setting up guys. I think had he had good knees he would have been a 25/8/8 player. I see something like better than Paul Pierce but not as good as Kobe.

I argue with my friend about who is better Lillard or Roy. I still think Roy was the better player. Lillard has his moments but not the consistency Roy had. I do think Lillard is better for this team because Aldridge is more involved. Roy and Aldridge didn't play all that well together.

sdot_thadon

02-22-2015, 08:47 PM

Yeah too bad his body didn't hold up. I liked his all around game and he was clutch as hell everytime I watched him seemingly. Put him in that "what could have been" category.

CP343

02-22-2015, 10:43 PM

Yeah, Roy was a beast.

TaLvsCuaL

02-22-2015, 10:53 PM

Roy was one of my favourite players, I miss him so much :(

I don't get the Timmy comparison tho, Brandon was really ballhog and Duncan is the epitome of a teamplayer.

AussieG

02-22-2015, 11:06 PM

His career was short but a very good one.

NuggetsFan

02-22-2015, 11:39 PM

IMO he was Elite defensively and his team went 54-28

Whaaaa? Roy had poor lateral quickness. Didn't consistently contest shots which is why he never had more than 22 blocks in a season despite good size for the position and underrated leaping ability. Didn't play the passing lanes at a high level. At best Brandon Roy was average defensively, at worst slightly below.

Roy had peaked IMO. He played 4 years of college ball. Averaged 23/5/5 by his 3rd season, and regressed slightly next season as a 25 year old. He was 19/6/5 player in his 2nd season and came into the NBA as a polished/well rounded player from the get go which is why people always compared him to Duncan.

One flaw nobody mentions with Roy is how useless he was without the ball in his hands which is why he wasn't even an NBA caliber player once his knees went. He'd always just stand at the 3 point line whenever he didn't have the ball.

Harden without a doubt would be a better player today.

NuggetsFan

02-22-2015, 11:47 PM

Give me a reason why Roy was better than current Harden besides stupid hypotheticals, because every time someone has a career ending injury like this they end up getting overrated. Happens in everything when someone's career gets cut short in some way.

Seriously. Roy wasn't much of a what if. Harden is without a doubt a better scorer than Roy ever was and was going to be. Wash as rebounders but slight edge to Harden if any. Harden is better at setting people up but Roy played more under control and was smarter so I don't think either really stands out from eachother. Defensively Harden plays the passing lines alot better and this year has improved. Roy was the better on ball defender, but once again isn't much separation.

Harden is just clearly the better scorer and just as good in other areas if not better. Harden is on another level as a shooter and getting to the line.

L.Kizzle

02-22-2015, 11:48 PM

Was on his way (along with Gilbert Arenas and Jermaine O'Neal) to a hall of fame career. Injuries. Yao from that era will make the Hall.

Lebronxrings

02-22-2015, 11:49 PM

kobe curse :facepalm

yet again fortunately gets easier competition and avoiding the tough ones

dubeta

02-22-2015, 11:53 PM

He was the best overall Shooting Guard from the mid to late 2000's

Fire Colangelo

02-23-2015, 12:20 AM

Whaaaa? Roy had poor lateral quickness. Didn't consistently contest shots which is why he never had more than 22 blocks in a season despite good size for the position and underrated leaping ability. Didn't play the passing lanes at a high level. At best Brandon Roy was average defensively, at worst slightly below.

Roy had peaked IMO. He played 4 years of college ball. Averaged 23/5/5 by his 3rd season, and regressed slightly next season as a 25 year old. He was 19/6/5 player in his 2nd season and came into the NBA as a polished/well rounded player from the get go which is why people always compared him to Duncan.

One flaw nobody mentions with Roy is how useless he was without the ball in his hands which is why he wasn't even an NBA caliber player once his knees went. He'd always just stand at the 3 point line whenever he didn't have the ball.

Harden without a doubt would be a better player today.

Why do you think he peaked? Just because he played college ball? He had his best season at 24 years old, he definitely would've kept improving had his knees not given out, and he would've aged very nicely since his game didn't fully rely on athleticism.

So what if he's not a good off ball player? LeBron, Kobe, etc aren't great off ball players either. He's great with the ball, that's all it really matters. Roy was great in the paint, could finish with either hands, had a midrange game and shoot the three. He's a better playmaker and turned the ball over WAY less than Harden.

Not to mention Roy (in his first playoff appearance) lit up the Rockets with Ron Artest and Shane Battier all over him, including a game winner. While Harden pretty much chocked for a couple years now.

NuggetsFan

02-23-2015, 01:25 AM

Why do you think he peaked? Just because he played college ball? He had his best season at 24 years old, he definitely would've kept improving had his knees not given out, and he would've aged very nicely since his game didn't fully rely on athleticism.

Yeah? Players who stay 4 years at school and come out as seniors are usually further along in there development vs players who come out sooner. Just like most 26 years olds are further along vs a 19 year old. Brandon Roy wasn't this what if kinda player, he was pretty far along in his development. We knew what kinda player to expect.

Brandon Roy would have got better in some areas but he was in his prime when he got hurt. I think statistically 24/5/5 was the type of player he was. 4 years of development in college, 4 years in the NBA, 25 years old. He was very well rounded and polished from the get go as well.

I remember when he was 24 he really broke out and people were expecting big things and he followed it up with a slight statistical regression the next season. He was never going to be a player who averaged 28 points. Still a very good player but wasn't a serious MVP candidate like current Harden.

So what if he's not a good off ball player? LeBron, Kobe, etc aren't great off ball players either. He's great with the ball, that's all it really matters. Roy was great in the paint, could finish with either hands, had a midrange game and shoot the three. He's a better playmaker and turned the ball over WAY less than Harden.

While those players aren't great off the ball, Roy was pretty brutal. Like out of the NBA, no role on the floor brutal. He'd constantly just stand in the corner without the ball. He was nowhere near the scorer Kobe was, and nowhere near the player LeBron was.

And Harden is a better scorer, shooter, comparable as a player maker, similar rebounder, and neither are special defensively.

Not to mention Roy (in his first playoff appearance) lit up the Rockets with Ron Artest and Shane Battier all over him, including a game winner. While Harden pretty much chocked for a couple years now

Brandon Roy started 6 games in the playoffs. He had one really good series but I mean Harden's ability to get FT's and hit 3's at a superior rate makes things closer. Not to mention I don't even think Roy averaged 3 assists in the playoffs that one year. Played better than Harden has in the playoffs, but also never averaged like 27/7/6 like Harden has :confusedshrug:

Harden's what 25 years old? Same age Roy was coming off his big season where he followed it up with 21/5/5. Roy was a great player but was never going to be a top 5 player or anything like that.

Prime_Shaq

02-23-2015, 04:19 AM

He was the best overall Shooting Guard from the mid to late 2000's
I love Roy and he was on his way but Wade was better overall and Kobe was a vastly superior scorer.

SHAQisGOAT

02-23-2015, 04:22 AM

I sure do. Dude was already very good and just on pace to become a terrific shooting guard... Loved to wtch him play.

KNOW1EDGE

02-23-2015, 04:23 AM

RoundMoundOfReb

02-23-2015, 05:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJjeZ4Scm9E

- One of the most underrated playoff games in recent memory. Absolutely sensation performance by Roy against the eventual champs. A last hurrah..

Draz

02-23-2015, 10:30 AM

Liked his career more than tmac

Papaya Petee

02-23-2015, 10:46 AM

Kobe said that Roy was his toughest match-up
The hardest SG for him to guard in the NBA

IMO there was a time when Roy was the clear-cut #2 SG in the NBA behind Kobe and ahead of D.Wade.

Roy was a boss. So clutch. Pure mid-range game. Could get to the bucket and finished amazingly well with his off-hand. He had ups too.

Lol Roy was never close to Wade as much as I like him. And Wade was by far the best SG in the league during Roys best time

Wade- 30/8/5/2/1
Kobe- 27/5/5/1/.5
Roy- 23/5/5/1/0

I said he was great defensively because he gave his full effort vs the best SGs in the league. He did great againSt Kobe Wade and others. His issue was lack of effort vs average SGs.

Jailblazers7

02-23-2015, 10:52 AM

The odds that Harden drops 42 in the playoffs against Ron Artest and Shane Battier is about as close to 0 as you can get. Anybody who watches Roy in the playoffs vs Harden in the playoffs knows who the better scorer is.

Bosnian Sajo

02-23-2015, 11:14 AM

Had his knees held up he would been the top SG right now IMO. Back in 2009-ish he was easily the third best SG behind Kobe and Wade while being so young. If he stayed healthy, how do you think Portland would be doing now? (No Lilard obviously). Would you rank him above Harden and Klay?

How no Lillard? You do realize they got him with Brooklyn's pick, which Portland acquired in exchange for Gerald Wallace. Brooklyn's biggest fail imo, not only did they give up Lillard but they gave Wallace a huge, ridiculous contract.

But Brandon Roy was one of my favorites. I teared up in that 2011 performance vs Dallas because if yall remember, at the end of that season it was basically a forgone conclusion that his career would never be the same . I didn't expect him to retire the next season though :cry:

midatlantic09

02-23-2015, 03:16 PM

No, not really...

artificial

02-23-2015, 03:19 PM

Glad to find this thread.

I miss Brandon Roy. A lot. One of my favorite players, loved his game. I'm not going to waste my time on hypothetical "better / worse than _______". He was a very capable rebounder early in his career. Could play as the ball handler or off the ball and be equally effective. Smart player with terrific court vision for a SG and extremely high IQ. His defense wasn't bad, but you could tell he was still working on it. I was sure he would have time for that, and stitch it with his rebounding and everything else he already had. Ambidextrous as they come, sometimes it was confusing which hand was he more comfortable with. He used both that much. Good leadership. Not too friendly nor loud, but enjoyed carrying the team on his back. Character wise, reminds me a bit of Rose.

Because of his high basketball IQ didn't have many games off. Still, the season before his knees went down, some games he was ON. Making it rain from everywhere. Scoring 30 and make it all natural and within the flow of the game. As good as anyone on a good night, and I mean ANYONE. I was convinced that he would be in MVP discussions in 1 or 2 seasons if he kept progressing the way he was.

Smooth as f*ck. And just when you were thinking that, he would go out there and break the Clippers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uAbdiCOJZM)

I have mad respect for Brandon Roy. Despite his short career, one of my all time favorites. Hope he is doing well these days.

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ThickassGlasses

02-23-2015, 04:49 PM

So sad that this is all hypothetical and we didn't get to see it play out.

It's a huge misconception that Brandon Roy was horrible off the ball, he was not, not even close. Was he Ray Allen or RIP? No, but he was much better off the ball than Kobe or LeBron or Harden. But like most other guys that are/were the best player on their team, they have the ball because they are the best player. I think people are also confusing 09 Roy with 10 Roy when his knee's were starting to go. He was a very different player in 10 with not only playing a lot more SF with the emergence of Matthews but he was losing some lateral quickness then due to his knees. He also shot many more jumpers than the previous year because his slashing just wasn't the same, he'd have it in spurts, but not for a whole game. My biggest problem with Roy was he was never able to get Aldridge to look 100% comfortable, they weren't bad together by any means, but Aldridge just didn't look the same then as he does now. Maybe it was a coaching change, maybe it was an Aldridge thing, but the two seemed like they were missing just a little bit with each other.

That being said, say Roy was 100% in 2011, how (if at all) does that change the 2011 playoffs?

What about if both Roy and Oden were 100%?

imdaman99

02-23-2015, 04:57 PM

He was a very good player. I think someone like Artest mentioned him being his toughest cover? I'm not entirely sure of that so don't quote me on it. He was insanely clutch, kinda like Lillard. I remember him bringing the Blazers back from a 20 point deficit in the 2nd half against the championship year Mavs in the playoffs to tie the series at 2-2... and he came off the bench and was almost washed up by then.

Fire Colangelo

02-23-2015, 05:21 PM

Yeah? Players who stay 4 years at school and come out as seniors are usually further along in there development vs players who come out sooner. Just like most 26 years olds are further along vs a 19 year old. Brandon Roy wasn't this what if kinda player, he was pretty far along in his development. We knew what kinda player to expect.

Brandon Roy would have got better in some areas but he was in his prime when he got hurt. I think statistically 24/5/5 was the type of player he was. 4 years of development in college, 4 years in the NBA, 25 years old. He was very well rounded and polished from the get go as well.

I remember when he was 24 he really broke out and people were expecting big things and he followed it up with a slight statistical regression the next season. He was never going to be a player who averaged 28 points. Still a very good player but wasn't a serious MVP candidate like current Harden.

While those players aren't great off the ball, Roy was pretty brutal. Like out of the NBA, no role on the floor brutal. He'd constantly just stand in the corner without the ball. He was nowhere near the scorer Kobe was, and nowhere near the player LeBron was.

And Harden is a better scorer, shooter, comparable as a player maker, similar rebounder, and neither are special defensively.

Brandon Roy started 6 games in the playoffs. He had one really good series but I mean Harden's ability to get FT's and hit 3's at a superior rate makes things closer. Not to mention I don't even think Roy averaged 3 assists in the playoffs that one year. Played better than Harden has in the playoffs, but also never averaged like 27/7/6 like Harden has :confusedshrug:

Harden's what 25 years old? Same age Roy was coming off his big season where he followed it up with 21/5/5. Roy was a great player but was never going to be a top 5 player or anything like that.

Most players peak around age 26-28ish. I don't understand why you'd think he peaked at age 24...

His "regression" came from injuries. He was having a great year until he got injured in January 2010. He looked great coming back from that injury until another injury hit in early April.

Harden averaged 27/7/6 in the playoffs... shooting like 39%, while Roy averaged 27/5/3 on 46% with Ron Artest and Shane Battier taking turns at him. Not to mention he single handedly won a game for the Blazers against the 2011 Mavs.

I don't think Harden is a better scorer, Harden benefits from playing on a fast paced Rockets team while Roy played on one of the slowest paced team in the league. I have no doubt Roy could average Harden numbers if he was on a team like the Rockets, or even current Blazers. Roy also turns the ball over a lot less, and actually has a scoring arsenal as opposed to being a one trick pony while being clutch as ****.

For the record, I think current Harden > any version of Roy. But had Roy not been hit with injuries, he would be the best SG today.