Kobe had Shaq as a teammate but did you know:

[CavaliersFTW]

http://freesworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/swtg-lebron-shaq.jpg

Lebron also had Shaq as a teammate? "Win a ring for the King" was Shaq's motto. Shaq helped that team win 61 games that season.

Lebron hadn't fully matured and couldn't get it done in the playoffs though despite having a 50-greatest center as his teammate. Damn shame.

[BasedTom]

eat shot

[J Shuttlesworth]

CavsFTW showing Real14 levels of intelligence

[BasedTom]

wilt is dead

[funnystuff]

dude went 100% troll

[Young X]

Why do you still make these threads about Lebron when he's come back to your franchise and has them as potential championship contenders? Just like Roundball Rock a "bulls fan" hating on MJ. The f*ck is wrong with y'all?

[SouBeachTalents]

I also know Wilt averaged 12 ppg in the Finals. Twice

[iTare]

I also know Wilt averaged 12 ppg in the Finals. Twice
:applause:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

lol OP is so ****ing mad that LeBron surpassed Wilt

[JohnFreeman]

I also know Wilt averaged 12 ppg in the Finals. Twice
:oldlol:

[navy]

I also know Wilt averaged 12 ppg in the Finals. Twice
:biggums:

[Smoke117]

:yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy:

[CavaliersFTW]

It is unbelievable how insecure Lebron's fanbase is. I can't even make one thread with the SLIGHTEST bit of sarcasm towards Lebron James before they start proping their anus firmly atop of the capitol L in Lebron's name.

Lebron is a great player. He's a Cavalier. I support the Cavs therefore when he's in a Cavs jersey he's a player I want to win.

You stans however, are despicable :oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It is unbelievable how insecure Lebron's fanbase is. I can't even make one thread with the SLIGHTEST bit of sarcasm towards Lebron James before they start proping their anus firmly atop of the capitol L in Lebron's name.

Lebron is a great player. He's a Cavalier. I support the Cavs therefore when he's in a Cavs jersey he's a player I want to win.

You stans however, are despicable :oldlol:

Wilt fanbase is any better? :oldlol: At least LeBron James is still in the league and still by far the best player in the sport, meanwhile you're still stuck stanning a man who hasn't played in the NBA for like forty years :lol It's like the equivalent of someone stanning LeBron in like 2060

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt fanbase is any better? :oldlol: At least LeBron James is still in the league and still by far the best player in the sport, meanwhile you're still stuck stanning a man who hasn't played in the NBA for like forty years :lol It's like the equivalent of someone stanning LeBron in like 2060
You've just predicted your own future.

[navy]

You've just predicted your own future.
Yeah, but at least he actually watched Lebron play. You stan Wilt from the highlight reels you put together. :yaohappy:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You've just predicted your own future.

So you're trying to insult me by saying I'll end up like you? :oldlol: ....good one

Here's the difference between me and you: I really don't care about LeBron James the person I only care about him as a basketball player. The only reason LeBron is my favorite player is because he is the best player in the world....40 years from now whoever is the best player will be my favorite. i will respect LeBron's place in history and all he did for the game but i wouldn't dedicate my existence to crapping on current players to prop him up as you have with Wilt

[J Shuttlesworth]

It is unbelievable how insecure Lebron's fanbase is. I can't even make one thread with the SLIGHTEST bit of sarcasm towards Lebron James before they start proping their anus firmly atop of the capitol L in Lebron's name.

Lebron is a great player. He's a Cavalier. I support the Cavs therefore when he's in a Cavs jersey he's a player I want to win.

You stans however, are despicable :oldlol:
Young X and South Beach Talents aren't even LeBron stans, fool

[Mr Feeny]

Why do you still make these threads about Lebron when he's come back to your franchise and has them as potential championship contenders? Just like Roundball Rock a "bulls fan" hating on MJ. The f*ck is wrong with y'all?

They're both trolls. Rock or whatever his name is is not a Bulls fan. He doesn't seem to remember basic salient points that punctuated the Bulls' 90's title runs. Anyone who was alive back then or watched them would pick on his alarming lack of knowledge on really simple things that took place back then. Just because someone poses as a Bulls fan, it doesn't make him one. Don't buy the act. He's a Lebron stan.

[pauk]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/oh-please.gif

[IMObjective]

You've just predicted your own future.:D
I wonder how many LeBron stans there'll be in 2060, ala lazeruss, having to constantly defend LeBron against kids calling him a colluder, a flopper, and/or king of a weak era.

[Prime_Shaq]

OP is right. Kobe and Wade could get it done with Shaq, why couldn't LeBron?
http://www.reclinergm.com/images/shaq-bron.jpg

[pauk]

:D
I wonder how many LeBron stans there'll be in 2060, ala lazeruss, having to constantly defend LeBron against kids calling him a colluder, a flopper, and/or king of a weak era.

Unlike Wilt/Oscar etc. we will have all the footage in the world of Lebron kicking behind in modern era basketball from any angle/footage and pace/poss. per game/pool of talent/competition has not changed since the 80s where it reached its peak, so that argument is out of the question aswell.... They will only see a player with his combination of athleticism/size/skill on both ends of the floor overall that has never been seen in basketball before and there never will be again... so, no need, by then people will learn to appreciate how great & how unique he was even more....

[SouBeachTalents]

OP is right. Kobe and Wade could get it done with Shaq, why couldn't LeBron?
http://www.reclinergm.com/images/shaq-bron.jpg

Or these guys

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Shaquille+O+Neal+Boston+Celtics+v+Phoenix+d9hyyj_l xhkl.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

Or these guys

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Shaquille+O+Neal+Boston+Celtics+v+Phoenix+d9hyyj_l xhkl.jpg
Shaq got injured 2 games into the playoffs with them. He was fully healthy with Lebron.

[Prime_Shaq]

Or these guys

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Shaquille+O+Neal+Boston+Celtics+v+Phoenix+d9hyyj_l xhkl.jpg
Comparing Prime LeBron to a bunch of old men?

[Joyner82reload]

Has LeBron played with more all stars/all nba players than any player in history? That very well might be the case

-Boozer(All Star)
-Ilgauskas(All Star)
-Snow(All Star)
-Hughes(All D)
-Szczerbiak(All Star)
-B. Wallace(All Star/DPOY)
-M. Williams(All Star)
-Varejao(All D)
-Jamison(All Star)
-Parker(Euroleague MVP)
-Shaq(MVP/All Star)
-Wade(All Star)
-Bosh(All Star)
-Bibby(All Star)
-Howard(All Star)
-Magloire(All Star)
-M. Miller(6th MOY)
-Battier(All D)
-Allen(All Star)
-R. Lewis(All Star)
-Love(All Star)
-Haywood(All D)
-Irving(All Star)
-Marion(All Star)
-JR Smith(6th MOY)


And he has 2 titles to show for it? How much help does one man need :facepalm :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

Has LeBron played with more all stars/all nba players than any player in history? That very well might be the case

-Boozer(All Star)
-Ilgauskas(All Star)
-Snow(All Star)
-Hughes(All D)
-Szczerbiak(All Star)
-B. Wallace(All Star/DPOY)
-M. Williams(All Star)
-Varejao(All D)
-Jamison(All Star)
-Parker(Euroleague MVP)
-Shaq(MVP/All Star)
-Wade(All Star)
-Bosh(All Star)
-Bibby(All Star)
-Howard(All Star)
-Magloire(All Star)
-M. Miller(6th MOY)
-Battier(All D)
-Allen(All Star)
-R. Lewis(All Star)
-Love(All Star)
-Haywood(All D)
-Irving(All Star)
-Marion(All Star)
-JR Smith(6th MOY)


And he has 2 titles to show for it? How much help does one man need :facepalm :facepalm

Wade is literally the only teammate LeBron's ever had that's made an All-NBA team or received an MVP vote while playing with him. Nice job bringing up Shaq's MVP from 10 years earlier though

[Joyner82reload]

Wade is literally the only teammate LeBron's ever had that's made an All-NBA team or received an MVP vote while playing with him. Nice job bringing up Shaq's MVP from 10 years earlier though

Sorry, they were all stars before LeBron ruined their career by reducing them to spot up shooters

[AintNoSunshine]

Dude is trying to achieve the impossible by helping your team win a title for your pathetic city in over 50 years while you keep typing sht about him on a daily basis in your moms basement... Think about it.

[ArbitraryWater]

Has LeBron played with more all stars/all nba players than any player in history? That very well might be the case

-Boozer(All Star)
-Ilgauskas(All Star)
-Snow(All Star)
-Hughes(All D)
-Szczerbiak(All Star)
-B. Wallace(All Star/DPOY)
-M. Williams(All Star)
-Varejao(All D)
-Jamison(All Star)
-Parker(Euroleague MVP)
-Shaq(MVP/All Star)
-Wade(All Star)
-Bosh(All Star)
-Bibby(All Star)
-Howard(All Star)
-Magloire(All Star)
-M. Miller(6th MOY)
-Battier(All D)
-Allen(All Star)
-R. Lewis(All Star)
-Love(All Star)
-Haywood(All D)
-Irving(All Star)
-Marion(All Star)
-JR Smith(6th MOY)


And he has 2 titles to show for it? How much help does one man need :facepalm :facepalm

For people who want the ACTUAL list:

2005 Illgauskas
Wade/Bosh 2011-2014
Irving 2015

[CavaliersFTW]

Sorry, they were all stars before LeBron ruined their career by reducing them to spot up shooters
It really was quite a feat to turn Shaq into a spot up shooter.

[Done_And_Done]

Or these guys

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Shaquille+O+Neal+Boston+Celtics+v+Phoenix+d9hyyj_l xhkl.jpg

That Boston team in its prime would have chewed the league to shit.

[Joyner82reload]

It really was quite a feat to turn Shaq into a spot up shooter.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2010/08/shaquille-oneal-ft-0810-307.gif

[Prime_Shaq]

Has LeBron played with more all stars/all nba players than any player in history? That very well might be the case

-Boozer(All Star)
-Ilgauskas(All Star)
-Snow(All Star)
-Hughes(All D)
-Szczerbiak(All Star)
-B. Wallace(All Star/DPOY)
-M. Williams(All Star)
-Varejao(All D)
-Jamison(All Star)
-Parker(Euroleague MVP)
-Shaq(MVP/All Star)
-Wade(All Star)
-Bosh(All Star)
-Bibby(All Star)
-Howard(All Star)
-Magloire(All Star)
-M. Miller(6th MOY)
-Battier(All D)
-Allen(All Star)
-R. Lewis(All Star)
-Love(All Star)
-Haywood(All D)
-Irving(All Star)
-Marion(All Star)
-JR Smith(6th MOY)


And he has 2 titles to show for it? How much help does one man need :facepalm :facepalm
http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/7-shaq-lotion-shaq-gifs.gif

[Deuce Bigalow]

Has LeBron played with more all stars/all nba players than any player in history? That very well might be the case

-Boozer(All Star)
-Ilgauskas(All Star)
-Snow(All Star)
-Hughes(All D)
-Szczerbiak(All Star)
-B. Wallace(All Star/DPOY)
-M. Williams(All Star)
-Varejao(All D)
-Jamison(All Star)
-Parker(Euroleague MVP)
-Shaq(MVP/All Star)
-Wade(All Star)
-Bosh(All Star)
-Bibby(All Star)
-Howard(All Star)
-Magloire(All Star)
-M. Miller(6th MOY)
-Battier(All D)
-Allen(All Star)
-R. Lewis(All Star)
-Love(All Star)
-Haywood(All D)
-Irving(All Star)
-Marion(All Star)
-JR Smith(6th MOY)


And he has 2 titles to show for it? How much help does one man need :facepalm :facepalm
Durant: 0/1

[navy]

Durant: 0/1
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/kevin-durant-li-b.jpeg

[Marchesk]

I also know Wilt averaged 12 ppg in the Finals. Twice

I'm not sure where you're getting the second one from. He did average 11.6 as a 36 year old in his last season. This is older Wilt playing a defensive role, not prime scoring Wilt.

[Keno]

Has LeBron played with more all stars/all nba players than any player in history? That very well might be the case

-Boozer(All Star)
-Ilgauskas(All Star)
-Snow(All Star)
-Hughes(All D)
-Szczerbiak(All Star)
-B. Wallace(All Star/DPOY)
-M. Williams(All Star)
-Varejao(All D)
-Jamison(All Star)
-Parker(Euroleague MVP)
-Shaq(MVP/All Star)
-Wade(All Star)
-Bosh(All Star)
-Bibby(All Star)
-Howard(All Star)
-Magloire(All Star)
-M. Miller(6th MOY)
-Battier(All D)
-Allen(All Star)
-R. Lewis(All Star)
-Love(All Star)
-Haywood(All D)
-Irving(All Star)
-Marion(All Star)
-JR Smith(6th MOY)


And he has 2 titles to show for it? How much help does one man need :facepalm :facepalm

lmao durant stans. :facepalm now using context, more than half of the players you've named were/are all washed up way past their prime. you can make the exact same type of list for shaq and have it 2 pages long. ****ing casuals.

[Marchesk]

It really was quite a feat to turn Shaq into a spot up shooter.

I don't think even Jordan could have pulled that one off.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'm not sure where you're getting the second one from. He did average 11.6 as a 36 year old in his last season. This is older Wilt playing a defensive role, not prime scoring Wilt.
69

[Marchesk]

lol OP is so ****ing mad that LeBron surpassed Wilt

Serious question. Do you expect Lebron to be consensus top 4 player in 2060? Because that's the sort of staying power Wilt has had.

Another question, how many of Wilt's records will still be sitting there 50 years from now?

[Joyner82reload]

lmao durant stans. :facepalm now using context, more than half of the players you've named were/are all washed up way past their prime. you can make the exact same type of list for shaq and have it 2 pages long. ****ing casuals.

Every single player on that list was a better player before or after playing with LeBron. Half of them had to retire after playing with him, he gave them basketball cancer.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Serious question. Do you expect Lebron to be consensus top 4 player in 2060? Because that's the sort of staying power Wilt has had.

Another question, how many of Wilt's records will still be sitting there 50 years from now?
Except Wilt is not a consensus top 4 player. What don't you Wilt stans understand about the fact that his records are largely irrelevant due to playing in a weak era? It's like me saying Mikan's 83.3% will probably never be broken. it means nothing.

[Marchesk]

69

Well, Russell averaged 9 on 39.7%. Looks like neither were looking to score much.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Well, Russell averaged 9 on 39.7%. Looks like neither were looking to score much.
lmao Wilt shot 37% from the line....including a 2/11 performance in a game the Lakers lost by 1 point :roll:

[Marchesk]

Except Wilt is not a consensus top 4 player.

But he is. Most lists have Wilt in the top 4.


What don't you Wilt stans understand about the fact that his records are largely irrelevant due to playing in a weak era? It's like me saying Mikan's 83.3% will probably never be broken. it means nothing.

What do you not understand about it being Wilt who set all those records and led the league in multiple categories, not anyone else in the 60s? If you want to go by relative domination, he has Shaq beat hands down. Wilt even has Jordan beat, relative to his competition.

[Marchesk]

lmao Wilt shot 37% from the line....including a 2/11 performance in a game the Lakers lost by 1 point :roll:

That's one area in which I won't try to defend Wilt.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Serious question. Do you expect Lebron to be consensus top 4 player in 2060? Because that's the sort of staying power Wilt has had.

Another question, how many of Wilt's records will still be sitting there 50 years from now?
ISH doesn't even have him in the top 5 let alone top 4. Consensus eh?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282470

[RoundMoundOfReb]

But he is. Most lists have Wilt in the top 4.

consensus != "most"


What do you not understand about it being Wilt who set all those records and led the league in multiple categories, not anyone else in the 60s? If you want to go by relative domination, he has Shaq beat hands down. Wilt even has Jordan beat, relative to his competition.


Okay let's say some random player sets unbelievable records in high school....100 points....55 rebounds....all by the same margin wilt has....are they really that impressive in terms of GOAT rankings??? nope...it's slight hyperbole since 60s era ball was better than high school ball...but the overall point is the same.

[Eric Cartman]

I also know Wilt averaged 12 ppg in the Finals. Twice

:oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

ISH doesn't even have him in the top 5 let alone top 4. Consensus eh?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282470
Yup. Honestly I don't see the case for Wilt over Shaq. Shaq was a better player and one of the GOAT finals performers where as Wilt was no (to put it lightly).

[Marchesk]

Yup. Honestly I don't see the case for Wilt over Shaq. Shaq was a better player and one of the GOAT finals performers where as Wilt was no (to put it lightly).

Shaq never led the league in rebounding or assists, and only scoring once. He wasn't an elite shot blocker either. Wilt had to go through Russell's dynastic Celitcs, which kept Pettit, Oscar, Baylor and West from racking up rings.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Shaq never led the league in rebounding or assists, and only scoring once. He wasn't an elite shot blocker either. Wilt had to go through Russell's dynastic Celitcs, which kept Pettit, Oscar, Baylor and West from racking up rings.
I just finished pointing out that Wilt played against lesser competition and you're gonna completely ignore that and talk about leading the "league"? As if they played in the same level of league?

As for as the shot blocks go: The lack of a 3 pt line back then, inferior athleticism/skill of guards, and lack of as thorough game-planning/preparation led to an inflated number of shot blocks. Had Shaq played in that era there is no doubt in my mind that he would've averaged a similar block tally.

[tomtucker]

It really was quite a feat to turn Shaq into a spot up shooter.

nah, Lebron was the one that made shaq fat..........shaq just said "fukk playing with this choker, i'm going to burger king"

[Marchesk]

Russell also gets top 4 love, Bellamy was a HOFer who had one of the best rookie seasons ever, Oscar, West, Baylor and Pettit are top 20, Hondo is top 25, Kareem came into the league in 69, Thurmond is top 50 and considered one of the greatest defenders ever, Cowens is in the Hall ... Laz has been over this ground like 2587 times.

I could mention Gus Johnson, but he's been brought up like 82 times already.

So I'll just leave with this:

24/24/7.8 on 68%, 68 wins, ended the Celtic dynasty, championship

[Marchesk]

As for elite shot blocking, Shaq wasn't elite for his own time, so what makes you think he's in Wilt or Russell's class? We're not debating Mutombo or Eaton here.

And Shaq wasn't exactly an elite rebounder either, for most of his career. Wilt was the best rebounder of his generation. Rodman was the best of Shaq's.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

As for elite shot blocking, Shaq wasn't elite for his own time, so what makes you think he's in Wilt or Russell's class? We're not debating Mutombo or Eaton here.

And Shaq wasn't exactly an elite rebounder either, for most of his career. Wilt was the best rebounder of his generation. Rodman was the best of Shaq's.

wasn't elite for his own time,

Shaq's time >> Wilt's time that's the point. Also 60s style of play lends itself well to a defender who isn't necessarily mobile but is a force around the rim - which shaq was.

[Marchesk]

ISH doesn't even have him in the top 5 let alone top 4. Consensus eh?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282470


ISH is a cesspool of trolling alts (which do amuse when not tedious), so I'm going to take that with a grain of salt and adjust Wilt's position by +2.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Boiled down Shaq 4/6, Wilt 2/6

Nothing to argue really. .

[RoundMoundOfReb]

ISH is a cesspool of trolling alts (which do amuse when not tedious), so I'm going to take that with a grain of salt and adjust Wilt's position by +2.

Wilt has more stans than any non-active player minus MJ. Just deal with the fact that he isn't top 4...definitely not "consensus"

[Marchesk]

Wilt has more stans than any non-active player minus MJ. Just deal with the fact that he isn't top 4...definitely not "consensus"

Despite what the movies would have you believe, time travel into the past isn't possible. Too many paradoxes.

But, time travel into the future is doable. I'm convinced this guy was abducted from his office in the late 50s:

http://www.athletepromotions.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/SteveNashEndorsement.gif

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I've already explained why Nash >> Cousy several times.

[buddha]

Shaq goes from 18/8 to 12/7 with LeBron ball

lmao

[NZStreetBaller]

Op actually has a good point... acording to bran stans lebron is in everyway better then kobe.... kobe won 3 championships with a prime shaq. Surely lebron could've won 1 with shaq no??

[I<3NBA]

Op actually has a good point... acording to bran stans lebron is in everyway better then kobe.... kobe won 3 championships with a prime shaq. Surely lebron could've won 1 with shaq no??
what state was Shaq in when Lebron got him? srs question.

[buddha]

what state was Shaq in when Lebron got him? srs question.

refer to post #64, dick nuts.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Shaq goes from 18/8 to 12/7 with LeBron ball

lmao


adjusting for minutes he actually went from 13.8/6.5 to 12.0/6.7 ...nice try

[aj1987]

Shaq goes from 18/8 to 12/7 with LeBron ball

lmao
7 fewer minutes, thumb injury, and 38 years old. Can you also post his numbers from the '07 season?

[pauk]

Has LeBron played with more all stars/all nba players than any player in history? That very well might be the case

-Boozer(All Star)
-Ilgauskas(All Star)
-Snow(All Star)
-Hughes(All D)
-Szczerbiak(All Star)
-B. Wallace(All Star/DPOY)
-M. Williams(All Star)
-Varejao(All D)
-Jamison(All Star)
-Parker(Euroleague MVP)
-Shaq(MVP/All Star)
-Wade(All Star)
-Bosh(All Star)
-Bibby(All Star)
-Howard(All Star)
-Magloire(All Star)
-M. Miller(6th MOY)
-Battier(All D)
-Allen(All Star)
-R. Lewis(All Star)
-Love(All Star)
-Haywood(All D)
-Irving(All Star)
-Marion(All Star)
-JR Smith(6th MOY)


And he has 2 titles to show for it? How much help does one man need :facepalm :facepalm

"Playing with all-stars" denotes literally playing with players that are All-Stars during the time you played with them....... which in this case makes most of your list bogus.... and lol @ All D = All-Star....

With this logic 99.99% of the stars in NBA history had more All-stars in their teams.... even Durant who played only 8 seasons has accumulated many All-stars/All-D's/6th MOY in his playing years.... and unlike Lebron, Durant had the luck of playing with those when they were & still are in their absolute best prime, 2 of those Superstars in Harden & Westbrook, even while Harden was with OKC he was THAT superstar good, just like Durant himself said, he just couldnt drop/unleash those numbers due to settling as a 3rd option.... again, from Durants mouth himself.... and speaking of Defense, screw Thabo, but how about Ibaka, thats not just All-D, thats DPOY caliber, at his absolute best....

...and unlike Lebron again, Durant has nothing but 1 MVP to show for it....

[$LakerGold]

Eric Snow? All-star? GTFO

[G0ATbe]

It was funny, LeBald fans were saying Kobe couldn't win shit without Shaq, but LeBald couldn't even get to the finals with Shaq in the East:lol . Outside of Kobe, Cavs were a better all around team than the early 2000s Lakers which makes it even more laughable.

[Sakkreth]

OP is straight up trolling. He compares cleveland shaq to prime shaq. Nothing to discuss.

[PJR]

OP does make a valid point. That 2010 Cavaliers team was definitely good enough to come out of the east that year. They had enough serviceable bulk in the middle with Shaq/Varejao, and veteran shooting around LeBron to make a run to the Finals. Lebron just choked hard as fck in the Celtics series. Series tied at 2-2, and LeBron lays one of the biggest eggs ever in his home building, that I've ever seen from a superstar caliber player in that momment.

Reality set in for Bran there, as he realized he needed D.Wade the gawd (who averaged 33-7-5 on 56% shooting against that same Celtics team) to get over that Celtics hump.

[iggy>]

Shaq goes from 18/8 to 12/7 with LeBron ball

lmao
Shaq had to average over 30 ppg in the playoffs to carry Kobe Cosby to 3 titles. :lol

[sportjames23]

Shaq had to average over 30 ppg in the playoffs to carry Kobe Cosby to 3 titles. :lol

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ZMonkey11]

Comparing Prime LeBron to a bunch of old men?

That's no way to talk about Vince Carter. Have some respect you heathen. :coleman:

[aj1987]

OP does make a valid point. That 2010 Cavaliers team was definitely good enough to come out of the east that year. They had enough serviceable bulk in the middle with Shaq/Varejao, and veteran shooting around LeBron to make a run to the Finals. Lebron just choked hard as fck in the Celtics series. Series tied at 2-2, and LeBron lays one of the biggest eggs ever in his home building, that I've ever seen from a superstar caliber player in that momment.

Reality set in for Bran there, as he realized he needed D.Wade the gawd (who averaged 33-7-5 on 56% shooting against that same Celtics team) to get over that Celtics hump.
Come on, dude. LeBron was the only one who showed up in the PO's in '10.

Shaq averaged 13/5 on 52%, along with terrible defense. They didn't have a good FC. Heck, they didn't have a decent FC. A 38 YO Shaq playing 23 MPG? Dude was beyond washed by then. You should actually watch the games. He was TERRIBLE on defense.

Mo - 13 PPG on 41/21
Jamison - 12 on 42/19

Lets not act like LeBron did't score 27/20/10/3/1 in Game 6. I actually remember doing a PBP on all the plays. The ones which people said were examples of LeBron "giving up" in. 27/20/10/3/1 is a historic night even for ATG's. LeBron's teammates fat out choked and under-performed. LeBron does have his fair share of chokes, but 2010 wasn't one of them.