When in the hell did the BerenstEin Bears become the BerenstAin Bears

[Joyner82reload]

WTF is going on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berenstain_Bears

Does anyone remember these books as they appear now as Stain and not Stein? Seemingly they've all been changed to BererstAin, but I had always know these books as BerenstEin. I guess that I could have made a simple mistake as a child and misread the A for an E, but jesus christ I could have sworn that it was Berenstein Bears

http://www.babysavers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/The-Berenstain-Bears-and-the-Trouble-at-School-.jpg

:biggums:

Summary: Anti-semitism is at work in the future/an alternative dimension and just changed Stein, well known as a part of the jewish surname, to Stain symbolizing that Jew's are stains

[BasedTom]

cry more

[Knicks101]

Always was Berenstain.

[Joyner82reload]

Always was Berenstain.

Shutup Nazi

[KevinNYC]

WTF is going on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berenstain_Bears

Does anyone remember these books as they appear now as Stain and not Stein? Seemingly they've all been changed to BererstAin, but I had always know these books as BerenstEin. I guess that I could have made a simple mistake as a child and misread the A for an E, but jesus christ I could have sworn that it was Berenstein Bears

http://www.babysavers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/The-Berenstain-Bears-and-the-Trouble-at-School-.jpg

:biggums:

Summary: Anti-semitism is at work in the future/an alternative dimension and just changed Stein, well known as a part of the jewish surname, to Stain symbolizing that Jew's are stains
Stan and Jan Berenstain's younger son Michael Berenstain (born in 1951) is a writer/illustrator and also illustrated many of the books written by his parents. He continued to work with his mother on new projects until her death in 2012, with a focus on promoting Christian religious practices.[4] Stan Berenstain was Jewish and Jan Berenstain was an Episcopalian.

The Bears themselves are Chritians.

http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/files/2008/11/berenstainbears_sundayschool.jpg

[Joyner82reload]

Stan and Jan Berenstain's younger son Michael Berenstain (born in 1951) is a writer/illustrator and also illustrated many of the books written by his parents. He continued to work with his mother on new projects until her death in 2012, with a focus on promoting Christian religious practices.[4] Stan Berenstain was Jewish and Jan Berenstain was an Episcopalian.

The Bears themselves are Chritians.

http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/files/2008/11/berenstainbears_sundayschool.jpg

The husband is actually jewish, he converted to christianity for his wife

[sweggeh]

I always remember it being Berestain bears, but I dunno. Maybe he changed it from Stein when he stopped being Jewish.

[gigantes]

OP there's plenty of debate (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2745376/pg1) on this all over the net. check out how archive.org records it with both spellings but at different dates.

i definitely remember it as "E" and i'm a bit older than most on here. there are probably plenty of ppl who correctly remember it is "A" who are also unaware that it (apparently) changed at some point.


btw, "stein" means "stone" in german. it's a common part of german surnames, but since a big percentage of german-named ppl in the states are in fact jewish-germans (or descended from), that's where the assumption comes in that it's a jewish name. there were several waves of jewish-german immigrants to the states across the years... most probably fleeing persecution.

[Akrazotile]

OP there's plenty of debate (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2745376/pg1) on this all over the net. check out how archive.org records it with both spellings but at different dates.

i definitely remember it as "E" and i'm a bit older than most on here. there are probably plenty of ppl who correctly remember it is "A" who are also unaware that it (apparently) changed at some point.


btw, "stein" means "stone" in german. it's a common part of german surnames, but since a big percentage of german-named ppl in the states are in fact jewish-germans (or descended from), that's where the assumption comes in that it's a jewish name. there were several waves of jewish-german immigrants to the states across the years... most probably fleeing persecution.



There can be non-jewish Germans with the surname Stein but it is far more common among jews I believe because the connotation of "stone" is the jewel trade, which jews dominated in the days when peoples last name was their occupation.


Anyhow, I definitely remember the eponymously named Bears as Bernstein. I could nearly swear by it. I remember wondering why people pronounced it bern-steen when it shouod normally be pronounced bern-stine. In any case I remember it written as Bernstein.

[gigantes]

There can be non-jewish Germans with the surname Stein but it is far more common among jews I believe because the connotation of "stone" is the jewel trade, which jews dominated in the days when peoples last name was their occupation.
well, i think professions as surnames generally predated the recent diasporas.

not to mention, people's surnames also commonly referred to the area they came from or whom they were descended from. "steinberg" for example means literally "stone mountain" which one might guess referred to a large mountain without much vegetation. in fact in comes from an old saxon family and region.

"stein" alone also referred to the brewing trade and masonic trades, so we're probably talking about a lot of different professions that had that word in their name, both germans, jewish-germans and other settlers to germany or countries with strong german influence, like norway.

"bernstein / berenstein" also seems to be a made-up name (http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/index.php?topic=8309.0;wap2) altho it does have a jewish connection.

[CP343]

This is a super important issue. I cannot function until it is resolved.

[gigantes]

This is a super important issue. I cannot function until it is resolved.
what blows my mind is that there's just enough info (and ppl who remember) to suggest that the name changed, but at the same time you won't find a single image online of a book with the original spelling.

obvious illuminati is obvious.

then again maybe i didn't look deep enough.

[Joyner82reload]

There can be non-jewish Germans with the surname Stein but it is far more common among jews I believe because the connotation of "stone" is the jewel trade, which jews dominated in the days when peoples last name was their occupation.


Anyhow, I definitely remember the eponymously named Bears as Bernstein. I could nearly swear by it. I remember wondering why people pronounced it bern-steen when it shouod normally be pronounced bern-stine. In any case I remember it written as Bernstein.

I felt absolutely certain that it was spelled stein to the point of it borderline bothering me. Who the fvck would pronounce stain as steen or stine? And apparently it's never been changed, this was ALWAYS how it was spelled. Hell I'm under 25 and I feel like I'm losing my sanity.

[Dr Seuss]

i believe they changed it to 'STAIN' once brother bear started having his night emissions.

[Jud]

It never was "Bernstein" :lol

Look it up

[Akrazotile]

well, i think professions as surnames generally predated the recent diasporas.

not to mention, people's surnames also commonly referred to the area they came from or whom they were descended from. "steinberg" for example means literally "stone mountain" which one might guess referred to a large mountain without much vegetation. in fact in comes from an old saxon family and region.

"stein" alone also referred to the brewing trade and masonic trades, so we're probably talking about a lot of different professions that had that word in their name, both germans, jewish-germans and other settlers to germany or countries with strong german influence, like norway.

"bernstein / berenstein" also seems to be a made-up name (http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/index.php?topic=8309.0;wap2) altho it does have a jewish connection.


True points indeed.

Also interestingly at the time Germany was transitioning from trade based surnames to continuous family surnames, some people were actually able to buy their name, as was the case with many people eventually named "Rosenfeld" (field of roses) Goldberg (Golden mountain) etc.

This is a practice still in use today, by such esteemed world figures as Chad Ocho Cinco and Metta World Peace.

[Akrazotile]

It never was "Bernstein" :lol

Look it up


I meant berenstein. Could have sworn thats how it was referred to universally throughout my childhood.

[Jailblazers7]

I don't understand. If it really was "stein" shouldn't it be pretty ****ing easy to find a pic of an old copy of those books with that spelling? :lol

[Jud]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ATZTyKmBL._AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,0,22_AA300_S H20_OU15_.jpg

Their first book. Notice how it says "The Berenstain Bears"

It's always been spelled like that.

[Joyner82reload]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ATZTyKmBL._AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,0,22_AA300_S H20_OU15_.jpg

Their first book. Notice how it says "The Berenstain Bears"

It's always been spelled like that.

I'm not doubting that it was always spelled Berenstain, the problem is that the majority of the population(by a considerable amount) swear that it was Berenstein. The universal pronunciation is stine or steen, neither of which could come from the surname suffix stain. Why is this?

[gigantes]

Their first book. Notice how it says "The Berenstain Bears"

It's always been spelled like that.
looks like that's the kindle edition.

if you can find pics of the original editions from the early 60's, that would help. it would need to have the inside page with the publishers date scanned, too.

[KevinNYC]

looks like that's the kindle edition.

if you can find pics of the original editions from the early 60's, that would help. it would need to have the inside page with the publishers date scanned, too.
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjI4/z/hx0AAOSwI~VTzbfS/$_57.JPG

You are bidding on a lot containing ONE Book. The book is a RARE, Hardcover in DJ, First Edition of The Big Honey Hunt by Stanley and Janice Berenstain.

Book was published by Beginner Books/ Random House in 1962, presumed First Edition.

Book is in Good + condition with some edgewear. DJ is in Good condition with general used wear. Still pretty nice.

So when did Janice start going by Jan?

[gigantes]

if that book's the real deal, then it looks like the case is closed by ISH standards.

interesting case of large numbers of ppl having a cognitive bias. maybe like how you can jumble (or omit) inner letters, yet quickly understand a word by the end letters and the overall pattern.

btw, looks like there's over 100+ (http://www.hebrewsurnames.com/BERENSTAIN) variations of bernstein / berenstain / etc. altho some of them have different sources, i think.

one entry said that berenstain means "burning" + "stone" in german, another word for "amber." they didn't understand amber's actual source at the time.

[Millslapped]

Theory: http://woodbetweenworlds.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-berenstein-bears-we-are-living-in.html

[9erempiree]

Is this for real?

l have the entire collection and it is Berenstein Bears.

[Millslapped]

Is this for real?

l have the entire collection and it is Berenstein Bears.
Pics? Go check your books.