View Full Version : Is Wilt Chamberlain finger roll the most unstoppable shot in NBA history?
Eric Cartman
02-23-2015, 08:44 PM
Think about this gentleman, the fadeaway that is trademarked by Jordan and Kobe is difficult to block per se, but you can contest it really well and it's rate of difficulty is extremely high given the nature of the distance from the basket and the twisting/turning of the flesh.
With Wilt's finger roll thing, that nikka isn't even looking at the basket, so defenders can't jump properly to block, hell even to contest, and he's really close to the basket too so it's a high percentage shot, compared to the fade away. He can release it from his ear, backwards, either hand, nikka doesn't care it's going in.
Of course the firsts posts will be, what about Kareem's sky hook, to those I say, I've seen footage of Kareem's sky hook being blocked by none other than Wilt, and it is not an efficient shot compared to Wilt's finger roll thing given the arc the ball has to take, hence why almost no one uses it in today's NBA.
Marchesk
02-23-2015, 08:48 PM
Is there film or pics of Wilt's finger roll ever being blocked? Do we have any stats suggesting how efficient it was?
How many other players in history have used that shot? Dr J or Connie Hawkins maybe? Helps to have enormous hands and reach.
Kareem's sky hook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Marchesk
02-23-2015, 08:53 PM
Kareem's sky hook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
According to the media and Kareem's longevity. I'd like to have some idea of how often Wilt scored using the finger roll before agreeing.
I grew up hearing how the sky hook was the one unblockable shot, and then what do you know, video surfaced of Wilt blocking it twice in one possession. LOL.
The_Pharcyde
02-23-2015, 08:57 PM
If you don't allow wilt that deep of position in the paint it is impossible for him to go to that, for that reasoning alone I'll still take the Kareem's hook over it, he can shoot that baby from relatively anywhere
Prime_Shaq
02-23-2015, 08:59 PM
Any of Shaq's post moves in his prime were unstoppable one in one
HomieWeMajor
02-23-2015, 09:01 PM
Sure when you're shooting it over guys a foot shorter than you.
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CavaliersFTW
02-23-2015, 09:20 PM
There's footage of the left block finger roll being blocked by Nate Thurmond once and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar once or twice and a photograph of Bill Russell blocking what appears to be that shot. So that one is confirmed "blockable", though obviously it did not happen often. This is the left block finger roll:
http://youtu.be/_B7jVTJ_CIE?t=20m
There's no footage that I can recall off the top of my head (and I've seen virtually all publicly available footage) of the right block fade away being touched. The right block fade away is the one that he shoots behind him. This is the right block finger roll:
http://youtu.be/_B7jVTJ_CIE?t=29m25s
Both are shot exclusively right handed by Wilt. They both indeed look awesome, especially the right block variant. From a post-up position they are his primary "to the middle" options meaning one or two steps towards the middle (after baseline is denied). His method to get to the middle is generally a crab dribble or drop step. The identical footwork any big would use to get to the middle, only most bigs historically or present shoot a "hook" variant once they get there. I think Wilt's finger roll is superior to the hook shot in the hands of MOST other bigs. A rare exception would be Kareem and his skyhook. Most bigs don't have the soft touch necessary to make their hook shot superior to Wilt's finger roll. Wilt got so close to the basket it was almost like he was shooting a layup and he got really friendly bounces because of it, where as hook shots are released higher and further from the hoop. Generally speaking, a negative when it comes to accuracy.
JohnMax
02-23-2015, 09:21 PM
Move must not have worked in the playoffs
The 60s were pretty soft to be honest. I wonder how effective it would have been it they allowed more contact on post offense and defense
K Xerxes
02-23-2015, 09:23 PM
Is there film or pics of Wilt's finger roll ever being blocked? Do we have any stats suggesting how efficient it was?
How many other players in history have used that shot? Dr J or Connie Hawkins maybe? Helps to have enormous hands and reach.
Isn't Gervin known for his finger roll?
Joyner82reload
02-23-2015, 09:24 PM
Probably because his fingerroll was easy to stop. It was a 70-80% shot if you allowed him to get it off, if you grab his arm prior to his release it becomes a 40% shot(his FT%)
Asukal
02-23-2015, 09:27 PM
Move must not have worked in the playoffs
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Funnyfuka
02-23-2015, 09:43 PM
finger hole
RoundMoundOfReb
02-23-2015, 09:49 PM
If he tried it over someone who wasn't a dwarf it would get blocked/stolen. He also has a tendency to bring the ball low when he has it where it is susceptible to being ripped..he would have to change this in the modern NBA.
CavaliersFTW
02-23-2015, 10:05 PM
If he tried it over someone who wasn't a dwarf it would get blocked/stolen. He also has a tendency to bring the ball low when he has it where it is susceptible to being ripped..he would have to change this in the modern NBA.
:oldlol:
He wouldn't have to do shit nobody in the modern NBA is going to do any better against him than the players he played against. Would love for you to explain how Chris Paul is any better at stripping him than K.C. Jones or how Tyson Chandler is going to defend him any better than Nate Thurmond.
Wilt's finger roll is not a shot you even go for the block unless you just have stupid-luck on timing about every 100 times he releases it. It's a shot you try to prevent altogether, eliminate as many of his options as possible and say a prayer if he's already got a step on you he's going to get it off and it's probably going to go in. If he's got a step on you you're already done.
Im Still Ballin
02-23-2015, 10:07 PM
There's footage of the left block finger roll being blocked by Nate Thurmond once and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar once or twice and a photograph of Bill Russell blocking what appears to be that shot. So that one is confirmed "blockable", though obviously it did not happen often. This is the left block finger roll:
http://youtu.be/_B7jVTJ_CIE?t=20m
There's no footage that I can recall off the top of my head (and I've seen virtually all publicly available footage) of the right block fade away being touched. The right block fade away is the one that he shoots behind him. This is the right block finger roll:
http://youtu.be/_B7jVTJ_CIE?t=29m25s
Both are shot exclusively right handed by Wilt. They both indeed look awesome, especially the right block variant. From a post-up position they are his primary "to the middle" options meaning one or two steps towards the middle (after baseline is denied). His method to get to the middle is generally a crab dribble or drop step. The identical footwork any big would use to get to the middle, only most bigs historically or present shoot a "hook" variant once they get there. I think Wilt's finger roll is superior to the hook shot in the hands of MOST other bigs. A rare exception would be Kareem and his skyhook. Most bigs don't have the soft touch necessary to make their hook shot superior to Wilt's finger roll. Wilt got so close to the basket it was almost like he was shooting a layup and he got really friendly bounces because of it, where as hook shots are released higher and further from the hoop. Generally speaking, a negative when it comes to accuracy.
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CavaliersFTW
02-23-2015, 10:16 PM
The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity. So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now. Good luck.
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