top 15 Generals of all time

[pastis]

1. Alexander der Gro

[SugarHill]

General Tso has some pretty bomb chicken, he should be up there somewhere.
hospital is pretty good too

[iamgine]

General Population has the ability to summon the most people though.

[longhornfan1234]

I can't take this list serious without Robert E. Lee.

[Joyner82reload]

How is Rommel not on your list? He was the greatest general(Patton had superior #'s/resource) in the greatest War in mankind's history? Hell Rommel almost won WWII for the axis. And I'm assuming you're German, FFS how do you leave him off? He might have been the GOAT Field General

[pastis]

How is Rommel not on your list? He was the greatest general(Patton had superior #'s/resource) in the greatest War in mankind's history? Hell Rommel almost won WWII for the axis.

Rommel is way overrated like Patton.

Rommel was an extremly talented General in leading forces with a divisional or max. Korps strenghts. Everything over this (Army or even Army Group strengths (German: Heeresgruppe)) he wasnt that good at all.
I woud rather take extremly brilliant strategists like General von Seydlitz- Kurzbach, von RUndstedt or Model over Rommel and Patton at any time.

[Joyner82reload]

Rommel is way overrated like Patton.

Rommel was an extremly talented General in leading forces with a divisional or max. Korps strenghts. Everything over this (Army or even Army Group strengths (German: Heeresgruppe)) he wasnt that good at all.
I woud rather take extremly brilliant strategists like General von Seydlitz- Kurzbach, von RUndstedt or Model over Rommel and Patton at any time.

I believe a general must be able to rally his troops and lead them into battle to be truly great. Manstein was a master strategist, but just about every solider in Germany would have chosen to go into battle with Rommel. Although that's probably also do to the fact that Rommel was batshit crazy.

[Akrazotile]

Relativity >

[pastis]

I believe a general must be able to rally his troops and lead them into battle to be truly great. Manstein was a master strategist, but just about every solider in Germany would have chosen to go into battle with Rommel. Although that's probably also do to the fact that Rommel was batshit crazy.

no doubt. you are right. ROmmel was highly appreciated by his Soldiers, because he was hard but never asked for more than he would do by himself.
but his officers-corps didnt like him very much, cause he was more an instict-killer than a real strategists like most of the wehrmacht officers corps, who was completly in the prussian tradition of warfare.

rommel earned a Pour-le-M

[Joyner82reload]

Also while Patton is overrated, he was the key general in winning WWII. He belongs on the list due to that accomplishment alone, much like Bill Russell belonging in NBA top 10 all time due to his championships

[BasedTom]

What a shit list, typical from such an idiot...Where the **** is Subutai?

[pastis]

Also while Patton is overrated, he was the key general in winning WWII. He belongs on the list due to that accomplishment alone, much like Bill Russell belonging in NBA top 10 all time due to his championships

I didnt take him on the list, cause most of his success wasnt due to military brilliance or strategy.
At the time where he entered WW2 in November 42, Germany already gave up the African front due to heavily crises on the eastern front.
African front was under the command of the Higher command of the Wehrmacht (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, OKW), while the Russian front was under the command of the higer command of the Army (Oberkommando des Heeres, OKH). The african front was just an unimportant front for germany and nearly never get any reinforcements, at least way less than the brithish or later the US.
So at the time, as Paton entered the African theatre, Germany was already outnumbered by british tanks 1:4.

Same with Sicilia later

And Same in in France: His breakthrough in Avanches on july 30 1944 (or later Pocket of Falaise August 44) was only due to the fact that US troups only faced very young untrained soldiers or old and injured soldiers. Patton had outnumbred germans in tanks 1:4 and in Artellary it was 1:6 and in Planes 1:12. looking back to that, i dont think that it was "brilliant" or remarquable what Patton did.

[Joyner82reload]

We'll agree to disagree. I guess I can see why you would despise Patton given your German heritage.

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[pastis]

We'll agree to disagree. I guess I can see why you would despise Patton given your German heritage.

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and sure US would threepeat :bowdown: :applause: ;) (but hopefully a 3WW will never happen)
hopefully it isnt germany who will face them in finals. three losses in a row then:lol

[Smoke117]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/General_Chaos_cover.jpg

[Droid101]

I can't take this list serious without Robert E. Lee.
:roll:

This isn't "The Biggest Loser."

[brownmamba00]

Mustafa Kemal

[sick_brah07]

We'll agree to disagree. I guess I can see why you would despise Patton given your German heritage.

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thank god for Russia true haha

[Patrick Chewing]

Only one man crossed the Rubicon and made an entire Empire shit their pants.

[LJJ]

What a shit list, typical from such an idiot...Where the **** is Subutai?

Seriously....no Subutai? No Genghis. No Suvorov. No Yi Sun-Shin. No Tamerlane. No Han Xin. No Bai Qi. :roll:

Claudius Gothicus in the top 5 who wouldn't even make a list of the top 20 Roman generals.

One Russian ranked low even though the Russians thoroughly pounded Germany (including von Manstein) in the butti in WW2.

OP is clueless as ****.

[KingBeasley08]

Subutai and Genghis are both top 10.. maybe top 5

[Akrazotile]

MacBeth doe

[Dresta]

Seriously....no Subutai? No Genghis. No Suvorov. No Yi Sun-Shin. No Tamerlane. No Han Xin. No Bai Qi. :roll:

Claudius Gothicus in the top 5 who wouldn't even make a list of the top 20 Roman generals.

One Russian ranked low even though the Russians thoroughly pounded Germany (including von Manstein) in the butti in WW2.

OP is clueless as ****.He's ignored lots of guys in favour of more famous names: how about Khalid ibn al-Walid, Bolesław I Chrobry, Jan III Sobieski, David of Georgia, and more?

Putting Justinian ahead of Julian as well :facepalm - the former had generals like Belisarious to do the military dirty work for him, the latter was a true general and military leader.

[StephHamann]

How is Rommel not on your list? He was the greatest general(Patton had superior #'s/resource) in the greatest War in mankind's history? Hell Rommel almost won WWII for the axis. And I'm assuming you're German, FFS how do you leave him off? He might have been the GOAT Field General

He wasn't even the best german general, that was von Manstein by far. He invented the famous Sichelschnitt and had sucess on every campaign.

[kNIOKAS]

Hard to see how anybody on this forum could have enough knowledge even to draft such a list. Actually, there might have been greatest generals that we don't know. Also, to pick the most valid criterion seems to be almost impossible.

Now it's just a thread for bickering.


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This was a good game.

[zoom17]

General Grievous.

[Andrei89]

We'll agree to disagree. I guess I can see why you would despise Patton given your German heritage.

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I dont deny that USA was a great power back then however, would they have defeated the Nazis 1 v 1?

No Russian involvement, UK involvement, other European allied countries and even France , who, although they were weak as fack, they at least kept them occupied. Just old school 1 v 1 the Nazis would rek the US in WW2.

Better tanks
Artillery
Soldiers ( The SS were ruthless)
Equally strong aviation

[KevinNYC]

I dont deny that USA was a great power back then however, would they have defeated the Nazis 1 v 1?

No Russian involvement, UK involvement, other European allied countries and even France , who, although they were weak as fack, they at least kept them occupied. Just old school 1 v 1 the Nazis would rek the US in WW2.

Better tanks
Artillery
Soldiers ( The SS were ruthless)
Equally strong aviation

Where exactly would this war take place? A neutral court? Would it be like the Super Bowl where the announce the stadium well ahead of time?

[CP343]

General Tso has some pretty bomb chicken, he should be up there somewhere.

Tso has my vote.

[KingBeasley08]

I dont deny that USA was a great power back then however, would they have defeated the Nazis 1 v 1?

No Russian involvement, UK involvement, other European allied countries and even France , who, although they were weak as fack, they at least kept them occupied. Just old school 1 v 1 the Nazis would rek the US in WW2.

Better tanks
Artillery
Soldiers ( The SS were ruthless)
Equally strong aviation
lol the US would have pulled a Hiroshima and Nagasaki and taken it

[resin_baller]

He's ignored lots of guys in favour of more famous names: how about Khalid ibn al-Walid, Bolesław I Chrobry, Jan III Sobieski, David of Georgia, and more?

Putting Justinian ahead of Julian as well :facepalm - the former had generals like Belisarious to do the military dirty work for him, the latter was a true general and military leader.

For that matter, where IS Belisarius? What the fvck kind of list has Claudius Gothicus at 5 and no Belisarius OR Subutai?

[moaz]

Khalid ibn al-Walid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_ibn_al-Walid) ? He defeated the Persian and the Byzantine empires. One of the first generals to have a had a general staff and an elite mobile troops (his Mobile Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_guard))

[QUOTE]After Muhammad's death, he played a key role in commanding Medinan forces for Abu Bakr in the Ridda wars, conquering central Arabia and subduing Arab tribes. He captured the Sassanid Arab client Kingdom of Al-Hirah, and defeated the Sassanid Persian forces during his conquest of Iraq (Mesopotamia). He was later transferred to the western front to capture Roman Syria and the Byzantine Arab client state of the Ghassanids.

Although Umar later relieved him of high command, he nevertheless remained the effective leader of the forces arrayed against the Byzantines during the early stages of the Byzantine

[LJJ]

Khalid ibn al-Walid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_ibn_al-Walid) ? He defeated the Persian and the Byzantine empires. One of the first generals to have a had a general staff and an elite mobile troops (his Mobile Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_guard))

This is definitely not true. Elite mobile units are as old as warfare itself. Of of the goat generals though.

[moaz]

This is definitely not true. Elite mobile units are as old as warfare itself. Of of the goat generals though.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I read in a book (Ill try to find the source) that he was one of the first to have a special elite troop only for tactical attacks decided during the battle and not before. He had other elite units (infantry) which new from the beginning what they have to do. His Mobile Guard (4000 light cavalry) were send to certain areas with special tasks. They were not support groups; he has such units in his reserve. There were some battle were his MG didn't even participate, because there was no need for them (or at least joined at the end to finish off the already defeated enemy.

[SexSymbol]

Vytautas the great is the best