LeBrons MVP case is flimsy

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Stephen Curry in 2014-2015

24, 5, 8, 2.2 SPG, 0.2 BPG 3.1 TPG, 62 TS%

.286 WS/48, .364 WP/48, 9.6 BPM, 121 ORTG 100 DRTG

James Harden in 2014-2015:

27, 6, 7, 2 SPG 0.9 BPG, 4.0 TPG, 61 TS%

.275 WS/48, .332 WP/48, 9.1 BPM, 119 ORTG, 101 DRTG (surprising eh?)

LeBron James in 2014-2015:

26, 6, 7, 1.5 SPG 0.7 BPG, 4.1 TPG 58 TS%

.186 WS/48, .199 WP/48, 6.5 BPM, 111 ORTG/106 DRTG


+ Harden is playing on a team that is performing better, in a better conference, with his #2 missing 20 games and his #3 missing the whole year, AND him suiting up for every game I believe (LeBron has missed 10).

Curry's team is the best in the league by leaps and bounds (yes, even over the Hawks).

I'm sorry but LeBron really has no MVP case, from any angle. Unless we want to lump together seasons and give him the nod based on his last 6-7 years of admittedly utter dominance.

His team hasn't performed the best, or anywhere close to it. His supporting cast hasn't exactly been lackluster. Individually, he hasn't been the best in the league. By a long shot.

I include the "advanced" stats because they are (rightfully so) often used to bolster claims about LeBrons prowess as a basketball player. LeBron fans have trumpeted them in years past, but now they aren't. Hmm. Could it be because those same advanced stats depict him as a top 10 player this year, rather than top 1-2 as he/they are so accustomed to?

Curry and Harden have both blown LBJ out of the water this year. It isn't close. It isn't disputable. If LBJ was playing like he was in his ACTUAL MVP years, that would be a different story. He would be the frontrunner for the award.

But he isn't playing like that. And him not winning this year is not attributable to voter fatigue. No way in hell. So let's get that straightened out before one of Curry/Harden/Westbrook (if the Thunder finish strong it is a real possibility, especially with Durant out) wins the MVP. Its clear that it won't be highway robbery if they do.

Mind you, I'm not a LeBron hater....its just that if you look at it with a clear head, with even a modicum of objectivity ....his supposed case doesn't pass the smell test.

Now, if posters here wish to claim that he is coasting, or saving himself for the postseason.....fair enough. I don't think he is, and coasting wouldn't explain his (BY FAR) career high in turnovers. But alright. Let's say he is. Even still, if his performance isn't MVP caliber, the tradeoff/repercussion for coasting should be.....wait for it......not winning the MVP, lol. Can't have it both ways.

Thoughts?

[navy]

Well yeah he's like 3rd or 4th cuz

[Smoke117]

You wrote all this for a guy who's not even top 2 in most likely to win MVP?...uh...why?

[Im Still Ballin]

Lol.

OP on the pure shit.

[Joyner82reload]

LeBron fan logic

2008: LeBron deserves MVP over Kobe because he has better stats. Kobe has superior teammates which give him a better record. Kobe might win titles, but that doesn't make him MVP. muh PER

2015: LeBron deserves MVP because he is the leader of a better team than Harden. Harden's better stats are only better because he doesn't have to share the ball. Harden will lost in t he 1st/second round, LeBron cares about winning titles not stats. fu PER

[Droid101]

It must be obvious day on Camp Stupid.

[G0ATbe]

There's like 2-3 players on his own team with better cases.

[Im Still Ballin]

Did any of you not watch my extensive breakdown?

Gee wizz.

[navy]

LeBron fan logic

2009: LeBron deserves MVP over Kobe because he has better stats. Kobe has superior teammates which give him a better record. muh PER

2015: LeBron deserves MVP because he is the leader of a better team than Harden. Harden's better stats are only better because he doesn't have to share the ball. fu PER

Joyner logic

Post dumb shit and not go and check the records before making a fool of himself.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LeBron fan logic

2009: LeBron deserves MVP over Kobe because he has better stats. Kobe has superior teammates which give him a better record. muh PER

2015: LeBron deserves MVP because he is the leader of a better team than Harden. Harden's better stats are only better because he doesn't have to share the ball. fu PER
He had a worse record.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

You wrote all this for a guy who's not even top 2 in most likely to win MVP?...uh...why?

Because a lot of posters here have thrown shade at the phenomenal seasons Curry and Harden have had. Many cling to the belief that LeBron has a viable shot at winning the MVP if the season ended today, and that it would be deserved. And that any alternative is too far-fetched to even consider.

As for the length of my post, I mean come on lol, who cares? The stats part was c + p'd from an earlier post, I'm a fast typer, and it maybe took 10 minutes to compose. Why is that bad?

[Joyner82reload]

Joyner logic

Post dumb shit and not go and check the records before making a fool of himself.

I posted the wrong year, I was referring to the season Kobe won the MVP

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I posted the wrong year, I was referring to the season Kobe won the MVP
Not many LeBron fans think he should've won that year much less come second. Chris Paul and Kobe were the top contenders. Heck I'd give #3 to KG.

[navy]

I posted the wrong year, I was referring to the season Kobe won the MVP

You know damn well you are full of shit.

[navy]

Not many LeBron fans think he should've won that year much less come second. Chris Paul and Kobe were the top contenders. Heck I'd give #3 to KG.
Lebron only won 45 games that year. Only people Ive seen talk about an MVP lost with that few games won are Kobe stans.

[Joyner82reload]

Not many LeBron fans think he should've won that year much less come second. Chris Paul and Kobe were the top contenders. Heck I'd give #3 to KG.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84216

:rolleyes:

[Hey Yo]

Still Harden's to lose at this point.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84216

:rolleyes:
Huh? Most of the people in that thread seem to be saying LeBron is the MOP not the MVP. Which was certainly arguable.

[Joyner82reload]

Huh? Most of the people in that thread seem to be saying LeBron is the MOP not the MVP. Which was certainly arguable.

You do realize that not everyone in that thread is a LeBron/Cleveland fan, right? Almost all of the Cavs/LeBron fans are saying he deserved the MVP in that thread referencing his superior stats.

[ShawkFactory]

Funny that even people back then claimed that the west was the most stacked conference of all time.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You do realize that not everyone in that thread is a LeBron/Cleveland fan, right? Almost all of the Cavs/LeBron fans are saying he deserved the MVP in that thread referencing his superior stats.
Okay well, IDC what some irrelevant people who aren't me and don't post on this site anymore think. 2008 is almost never brought up today as a year in which LeBron got robbed.

[edrick]

No way in hell Lebron will MVP. Despite how awful the Cavs are without him.

[Joyner82reload]

Okay well, IDC what some irrelevant people who aren't me and don't post on this site anymore think. 2008 is almost never brought up today as a year in which LeBron got robbed.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=368423

yep. look at those lebron stans. every single one of them are saying Kobe didn't deserve 2008. And that thread was literally this past week

[navy]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=368423

yep. look at those lebron stans. every single one of them are saying Kobe didn't deserve 2008. And that thread was literally THIS week
How many of them werent trolling?

[ShawkFactory]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=368423

yep. look at those lebron stans. every single one of them are saying Kobe didn't deserve 2008. And that thread was literally THIS week
Gettin trolled bro :oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=368423

yep. look at those lebron stans. every single one of them are saying Kobe didn't deserve 2008. And that thread was literally this past week
How many of them think LeBron should've won instead, though? I would have voted for Paul.

[Cocaine80s]

When OKC takes the Warriors out in the 1st round it will go to Lebron

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I told myself I am not watching next year's basketball season if LeBron wins MVP this year. Let's hope it doesn't happen :D

[JT123]

OP just typed out a 500 word essay about Lebron not being the MVP. :biggums:
:roll: Mad as hell!

[Roundball_Rock]

LeBron's case is how pathetic the team was without him. They were 2-8 (16 win pace) without him--and Irving had to score 55 for the Cavs to squeak by in one of those wins. With LeBron they are 33-14 (58 win pace). LeBron is the real MVP again but Harden likely will win based on the traditional behavior of voters. LeBron likely will finish 3rd.

[Lebronxrings]

nope hes mvp. Even with the media and fans hating on him and costing him last years we all know he truly is.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

nope hes mvp. Even with the media and fans hating on him and costing him last years we all know he truly is.

His case is thinner than Nicole Richie when she couldn't force down a bagel.

From the standpoint of numbers and team success, there are better candidates out there. LeBron fans should be happy with the 4 MVP's that he EARNED.

[navy]

His case is thinner than Nicole Ritchie when she couldn't force down a bagel.

From the standpoint of numbers and team success, there are better candidates out there.
Stop taking trolls seriously.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Stop taking trolls seriously.
What can I say, I'm still new to the ISH landscape :lol

But yeah, hes probably pulling everyones leg.

[navy]

What can I say, I'm still new to the ISH landscape :lol

But yeah, hes probably pulling everyones leg.

You will soon learn.

Watch out for his alts as well.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

You will soon learn.

Watch out for his alts as well.

Duly noted :cheers: :cheers:

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

OP just typed out a 500 word essay about Lebron not being the MVP. :biggums:
:roll: Mad as hell!


I'm sure to you anything over a paragraph constitutes heavy reading :D


Alright I'll throw you a bone:

LeBron the mvp cuz big dick alpha cavs 3-8 without him cavs suck carrying team Love empty stats no big man LeEfficient LeDominant

There.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

LeBron's case is how pathetic the team was without him. They were 2-8 (16 win pace) without him--and Irving had to score 55 for the Cavs to squeak by in one of those wins. With LeBron they are 33-14 (58 win pace). LeBron is the real MVP again but Harden likely will win based on the traditional behavior of voters. LeBron likely will finish 3rd.


Aaaand that's the only leg it has to stand on.

Remember that LeBrons sabbatical coincided with a hellish stretch in the Cavs schedule, which included games against the Warriors, Hawks, Bucks and Mavs. 6 of the 8 games were road games, too. Any team having to face that without their best player is in for a rough time.

AND keep in mind that 3 games prior to LeBrons hiatus, they lost Varejao for the year. He was their only contributing big body up to that point. After they lost Varejao, they lost 2 of the 3 games that LeBron played in before his break, which were both double digit losses, one which was a 25 point loss at home to the Pistons.

THEN LeBron comes back to a revamped roster that included the big man and wing defender that they so desperately needed, to go along with a better version of the player they just shipped off, Waiters.

Don't get me wrong, losing LeBron gutted that team and of course them going 2-8 in the games he missed is a point in his favor. But there's more to it than meets the eye, and if that's the biggest reason hes the MVP favourite to you then....idk what to tell you

[Lebron23]

The only important MVP Award that LeBron needs to win is his 3rd finals MVP. Neither Harden or Curry aren't capable of winning that Award because they aren't great playoffs performer.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818293/takethathaters.gif

[Beastmode88]

The only important MVP Award that LeBron needs to win is his 3rd finals MVP. Neither Harden or Curry aren't capable of winning that Award because they aren't great playoffs performer.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818293/takethathaters.gif

he would of had his 3rd one in 2013 if he had a better finals performance in 2011.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

The only important MVP Award that LeBron needs to win is his 3rd finals MVP. Neither Harden or Curry aren't capable of winning that Award because they aren't great playoffs performer.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818293/takethathaters.gif

Well, at least you're right about what matters.

Too early to rule out either guy in the postseason. Curry didnt play poorly at all in '13 or '14 but he ran into 2 buzzsaws, the Spurs and the Clips. This incarnation of the Warriors is way better though and hes having his best year yet. And, still only 26, in his third postseason.

Harden had a great playoffs in 2012 albeit as a third option. Hes only 25 himself -- a little too early to write him off.

Let's see how things play out in the postseason. Both have had better years than LeBron and both are better candidates to win the MVP.

[Lebron23]

Well, at least you're right about what matters.

Too early to rule out either guy in the postseason. Curry didnt play poorly at all in '13 or '14 but he ran into 2 buzzsaws, the Spurs and the Clips. This incarnation of the Warriors is way better though and hes having his best year yet. And, still only 26, in his third postseason.

Harden had a great playoffs in 2012 albeit as a third option. Hes only 25 himself -- a little too early to write him off.

Let's see in the playoffs. No excuses for 27 yr.old Curry who have a good supporting casts. By the way Iverson only played 70 games when he won his one and only MVP Award in 2001.

I think LeBron might finished with a 27/7/7 statsline at the end of the season. He's going to play more minutes with their soon to be difficult schedule.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Let's see in the playoffs. No excuses for 27 yr.old Curry who have a good supporting casts. By the way Iverson only played 70 games when he won his one and only MVP Award in 2001.

I think LeBron might finished with a 27/7/7 statsline at the end of the season. He's going to play more minutes with their soon to be difficult schedule.


And I would have given the 2001 MVP to Shaq. Im not saying there's no precedent. The 10 games he missed are but a small reason he shouldn't win the MVP. He just hasn't performed like one. The advanced stats that were so near and dear to LeBron fans can attest to this. But even beyond that: his turnovers are at an all-time high, hes shooting worse than curry and harden by some margin, and his defense was abysmal for the first 30 or so games.

Its a wrap lol. LeBron won't, and shouldnt, win the MVP this year.

[JT123]

And I would have given the 2001 MVP to Shaq. Im not saying there's no precedent. The 10 games he missed are but a small reason he shouldn't win the MVP. He just hasn't performed like one. The advanced stats that were so near and dear to LeBron fans can attest to this. But even beyond that: his turnovers are at an all-time high, hes shooting worse than curry and harden by some margin, and his defense was abysmal for the first 30 or so games.

Its a wrap lol. LeBron won't, and shouldnt, win the MVP this year.
:facepalm
Lebron 49%
Curry 48%
Harden 45%

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

:facepalm
Lebron 49%
Curry 48%
Harden 45%

Nice try.

TS%:

Curry .621
Harden .612
LeBron .580

Lol, and Curry is shooting better on every front BTW, 2 pointers, 3's and free throws. His FG% is lower because a higher % of his shots are threes. Ironic that Henry Abbott is still your Av, since you clearly you don't know how to measure shooting efficiency.

Your hoops knowledge is on point bruh
:biggums:

[JT123]

Nice try.

TS%:

Curry .621
Harden .612
LeBron .580

Lol, and Curry is shooting better on every front BTW, 2 pointers, 3's and free throws. His FG% is lower because a higher % of his shots are threes. Ironic that Henry Abbott is still your Av, since you clearly you don't know how to measure shooting efficiency.

Your hoops knowledge is on point bruh
:biggums:
Sorry bro, but no one considers TS% to be an important stat except fans of low efficiency players (Kobe stans) :lol
The only shots that matter are the ones that are actually defended against, and Lebron is more efficient than both Harden and Curry when actually being guarded. Also, Curry kind of cherry picks his shots thanks to having countless teammates who shoot the 3 at over 40%. :confusedshrug:
Nice try, but I win again. :pimp:

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Sorry bro, but no one considers TS% to be an important stat except fans of low efficiency players (Kobe stans) :lol
The only shots that matter are the ones that are actually defended against, and Lebron is more efficient than both Harden and Curry when actually being guarded. Also, Curry kind of cherry picks his shots thanks to having countless teammates who shoot the 3 at over 40%. :confusedshrug:
Nice try, but I win again. :pimp:

Nice schtick. You seem like the type of dude that will debate in earnest until its clear that hes getting thrashed, at which point he'll switch to blatantly trolling, and act like he was trolling all along, to save face.

I'm not one to be self-aggranzing but I'm gonna bask in this W, you're embarrassing yourself m8. Finish your coloring book and go to bed. You've got a big show-and-tell presentation tomorrow. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[navy]

Nice schtick. You seem like the type of dude that will debate in earnest until its clear that hes getting thrashed, at which point he'll switch to blatantly trolling, and act like he was trolling all along, to save face.

I'm not one to be self-aggranzing but I'm gonna bask in this W, you're embarrassing yourself m8. Finish your coloring book, use your bib and go to bed. You've got a big show-and-tell presentation tomorrow. :roll :roll
Close, but he was never debating earnestly. Ignore him.

[Joyner82reload]

Sorry bro, but no one considers TS% to be an important stat except fans of low efficiency players (Kobe stans) :lol
The only shots that matter are the ones that are actually defended against, and Lebron is more efficient than both Harden and Curry when actually being guarded. Also, Curry kind of cherry picks his shots thanks to having countless teammates who shoot the 3 at over 40%. :confusedshrug:
Nice try, but I win again. :pimp:

Holy shit you're an idiot. TS% is the definitive measure of efficieny for shooting.

Hurr durr

Player A goes 8-12 on 2 point shots and 0-4 on 3 point shots(8-16 overall)
Player B goes 3-6 on 2 point shots and 4-10 on 3 point shots(7-16 overall)

Player A shot 50% from the field and scored 16 points on 16 shots
Player B shot 43.8% from the field and scored 18 points on 16 shots

Figure that one out genius

Let me help you out.

According to True Shooting Percentage

Player A shot 50% on 16 shots
Player B shot 56.25% on 16 shots

dumbfvck

[stephanieg]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure GSW and Houston would trade Curry/Harden for LeBron.

[Solid Snake]

Lebron could've gone done as a top 3 great of all time if only he were more selfish. He has NO EXCUSE to not average 30ppg EVERY single year.

He'll never win another MVP. His stats are just lost in the shuffle.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron only won 45 games that year. Only people Ive seen talk about an MVP lost with that few games won are Kobe stans.

Ethered hard right here..

Kobe can have his 2008 MVP... but lol at OP nor Joyner mentioning LeBron's injury, and the Cavs record-win pace since his return/the trades.

Example of no context.

Only voter fatique will deny him the award.

[chazzy]

Ethered hard right here..

Kobe can have his 2008 MVP... but lol at OP nor Joyner mentioning LeBron's injury, and the Cavs record-win pace since his return/the trades.

Example of no context.

Only voter fatique will deny him the award.
You don't get credit for missing games

[J Shuttlesworth]

LBJ's been on a tear lately, but his raw numbers won't really show it because the Cavs have been blowing out opponents. Since he returned from injury, here's his per 36:
28/7.2/6.5

earlier in the season pre-injury, he was 24.9/7.4/5.2

Injuries ruined his MVP chances since they had a bad record early on, but here's Curry's per 36, just for comparison

25.6/8.6/5.1

Harden: 26.9/6.7/5.6
and Harden has the highest TS% of all 3

Pretty damn close between Harden/Curry

[ArbitraryWater]

You don't get credit for missing games

I didnt even mention the fact that they were 1-8 without him.

[BigTicket]

Lebron has been better since he came back from the injury, but he's clearly not the MVP this year. If I had a vote, he'd probably be 4th on my ballot, behind Curry, Harden and Westbrook.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You don't get credit for missing games
What don't you people understand? Nobody is giving him credit for the missed games....they are simply being used as evidence that the team isn't that good without him...in fact they're flat out bad....2-8....with one of the wins requiring a miraculous 55 point performance. 33-14 with him...2-8 without.

[Genaro]

Lebron clearly doesn't deserve this year. Every year he had a case, he won since he is media's darling but not even them can vote for him now.

Best player who missed a ton of games would be Westbrook BTW. His stats are better than Lebron's as well.

As WB lost so many games, it will go down between Harden and Curry. Final push it's usually important but Curry should have the better record.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron clearly doesn't deserve this year. Every year there was no case against him, he won.


fixed. He had a case in 2006 (if you think Kobe did), 2011 and didn't win.

[Budadiiii]

What don't you people understand? Nobody is giving him credit for the missed games....they are simply being used as evidence that the team isn't that good without him...in fact they're flat out bad....2-8....with one of the wins requiring a miraculous 55 point performance. 33-14 with him...2-8 without.
It was shortly after Verejao went down for the season. All those games were without Mozgov on the team.

And most of those losses came against contending teams from the west. Yet you want to talk about context?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It was shortly after Verejao went down for the season. All those games were without Mozgov on the team.

And most of those losses came against contending teams from the west. Yet you want to talk about context?

They lost to Atlanta, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Houston, GS, Dallas, Philly and Sacramento...and they lost 6 of those by 10+ points...lost to philly by 3 and ATL by 8. They were getting ****ing destroyed.

[chazzy]

What don't you people understand? Nobody is giving him credit for the missed games....they are simply being used as evidence that the team isn't that good without him...in fact they're flat out bad....2-8....with one of the wins requiring a miraculous 55 point performance. 33-14 with him...2-8 without.
It would be one thing if it was a longer stretch and against worse teams.. but 5 of the 8 losses were to OKC (healthy), ATL, GS, HOU, DAL. And missing 10 games in comparison to Curry's 1 and Harden's 0 ultimately nullifies whatever advantage you can squeeze out of that stretch.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It would be one thing if it was a longer stretch and against worse teams.. but 5 of the 8 losses were to OKC (healthy), ATL, GS, HOU, DAL. And missing 10 games in comparison to Curry's 1 and Harden's 0 ultimately nullifies whatever advantage you can squeeze out of that stretch.
They also lost to philly, and sac...and they weren't just losing those games ...they were getting destroyed.

[Genaro]

fixed. He had a case in 2006 (if you think Kobe did), 2011 and didn't win.
Kobe won only 45 games but was the best player in the NBA in 2006, best scoring season in a long time, made 81 points, Lebron wasn't at that level at the time. I do think that it would be better him or Dirk winning than Nash, though.

2011 Rose winning was a travesty but I'm one of those guys who thinks it was Dwight's. Media wasn't sucking Lebron's **** that season or he could've won it but going by their criteria, Rose was the best player on the best regular season team. Lebron had a super stacked team and didn't have the best seed.

[Budadiiii]

They lost to Atlanta, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Houston, GS, Dallas, Philly and Sacramento...and they lost 6 of those by 10+ points...lost to philly by 3 and ATL by 8. They were getting ****ing destroyed.
So all playoff teams but Philly and Sac.

Probably lose most of those anyway without Mozgov and trying to acclimate their new guys.

But once again LeBron gets all the credit and none of the blame. Even though they were not a great team to start the season WITH him... he's now getting all the credit because they have a new roster and they're playing well. Typical.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

LBJ's been on a tear lately, but his raw numbers won't really show it because the Cavs have been blowing out opponents. Since he returned from injury, here's his per 36:
28/7.2/6.5

earlier in the season pre-injury, he was 24.9/7.4/5.2

Injuries ruined his MVP chances since they had a bad record early on, but here's Curry's per 36, just for comparison

25.6/8.6/5.1

Harden: 26.9/6.7/5.6
and Harden has the highest TS% of all 3

Pretty damn close between Harden/Curry

And now how about listing his advanced stats in comparison to theirs, which are usually better predictors of wins and losses.

LeBron has also averaged 5 turnovers a game since his return, w/ 49/30/72 shooting splits.

We can talk about his stats til we're blue in the face....both Harden and Curry have MORE impressive stats, and their teams have been better. You seem like a good poster but your post is a tad obfuscatory.

[chazzy]

They also lost to philly
Kyrie turned into a nonfactor without Lebron that game

[JT123]

And now how about listing his advanced stats in comparison to theirs, which are usually better predictors of wins and losses.

LeBron has also averaged 5 turnovers a game since his return, w/ 49/30/72 shooting splits.

We can talk about his stats til we're blue in the face....both Harden and Curry have MORE impressive stats, and their teams have been better. You seem like a good poster but your post is a tad obfuscatory.
Stop trying to impress people by using big words. :rolleyes:
This is a basketball forum, nobody here cares how educated you are.

[J Shuttlesworth]

And now how about listing his advanced stats in comparison to theirs, which are usually better predictors of wins and losses.

LeBron has also averaged 5 turnovers a game since his return, w/ 49/30/72 shooting splits.

We can talk about his stats til we're blue in the face....both Harden and Curry have MORE impressive stats, and their teams have been better. You seem like a good poster but your post is a tad obfuscatory.
I'd agree Harden and Curry have more impressive stats which is why I said LBJ has ruined his chances of the MVP. I have Harden at 1, Curry at 2, LBJ at 3. I do think LeBron is the best defender this year of the 3, but Harden/Curry's better efficiency, lack of turnovers, and team record give them the edge.

[chazzy]

Stop trying to impress people by using big words. :rolleyes:
This is a basketball forum, nobody here cares how educated you are.
haha you're young

[JT123]

They lost to Atlanta, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Houston, GS, Dallas, Philly and Sacramento...and they lost 6 of those by 10+ points...lost to philly by 3 and ATL by 8. They were getting ****ing destroyed.
:applause: Lebron family takes another W. Cavs honestly looked like the one of the worst teams in the league during that stretch Lebron was out. And people need to stop pretending that Mozgov didn't play in any of those loses, cause he was in the lineup during the loses to Golden State and Sacramento.
Cavs simply aren't a good team without Lebron. People need to get over it.

[Budadiiii]

haha you're young
He's 35.

It it true though he has no education and functions much slower than the average adult.

[SugarHill]

haha you're young
well, he obfuscated the post by using obfuscatory :D

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Close, but he was never debating earnestly. Ignore him.

Yeah, hard to argue with that now :rockon:

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

I'd agree Harden and Curry have more impressive stats which is why I said LBJ has ruined his chances of the MVP. I have Harden at 1, Curry at 2, LBJ at 3. I do think LeBron is the best defender this year of the 3, but Harden/Curry's better efficiency, lack of turnovers, and team record give them the edge.
Fair enough
:cheers:

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Great chase down blocks but an all-around lackluster performance for Bron. Like I said all along, hes not the MVP this year, maybe next year but not this one.

[navy]

Was never in the top 2. Curry and Harden are battling it out.

[Eric Cartman]

Would give MVP, but 3/11.

[Heavincent]

It's been a two man race for a while now (Curry and Harden).

[Eric Cartman]

It's been a two man race for a while now (Curry and Harden).

Harden and it's not even close.