Current PER leaders

[Budadiiii]

http://i.imgur.com/gs1jCf5.png


Anything that sticks out? Durant being in the top 5 is a shock considering his injury.

Where's Bron?

[Angel Face]

:eek: Whiteside

[Im Still Ballin]

It's all about the eye test.

PER is a worthless stat, I would never use it.

[JohnMax]

Where's Bron?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ag8cy9r2XdE/S_e9JEYRCzI/AAAAAAAAIYs/yyNoJsRDVro/s200/wheres-waldo.jpg

[Prime_Shaq]

Westbrook = Baby Shaq :applause:

[Milbuck]

Surprised to see MVP James Harden not on there. Looks like the Rockets top 7 defense somehow stole some of that shine. Good to see the rest of the team finally getting some credit.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Nobody cares about this irrelevant stat. Two words: Eye test.

[Budadiiii]

Surprised to see MVP James Harden not on there. Looks like the Rockets top 7 defense somehow stole some of that shine. Good to see the rest of the team finally getting some credit.
To be fair, he is 6th on the list with a very respectable PER of 27.18. Almost two whole points ahead of LeBron James, whose rating is the worst since *2006.

[SugarHill]

I fret this day...

The day where the stats turn against Lebron

I used to prop up PER as if it were my new born

Oh how the times have changed

Eye-test >
We been off stats since Durant went ham last year. All about "he's the best player in the world because playoffs, experience, it's his until it's taken from him, rangs, etc. All that nonsense.

Basically LeBron fans turned into Kobe fans (dat best player in the world because I said so) who turned into Jordan fans (legacy) who turned into Wilt fans (mythology)

[navy]

We been off stats since Durant went ham last year. All about "he's the best player in the world because playoffs, experience, it's his until it's taken from him, rangs, etc. All that nonsense.

Basically LeBron fans turned into Kobe fans (dat best player in the world because I said so) who turned into Jordan fans (legacy) who turned into Wilt fans (mythology)
:applause:

[dunksby]

I fret this day...

The day where the stats turn against Lebron

I used to prop up PER as if it were my new born

Oh how the times have changed

Eye-test >
:lol

[Im Still Ballin]

I would NEVER endorse a garbage stat like PER.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

We been off stats since Durant went ham last year. All about "he's the best player in the world because playoffs, experience, it's his until it's taken from him, rangs, etc. All that nonsense.

Basically LeBron fans turned into Kobe fans (dat best player in the world because I said so) who turned into Jordan fans (legacy) who turned into Wilt fans (mythology)

Nope. I always believed LeBron is the best simple because he is the most impactful. Not because of basic stats or anything else. Eye test. RAPM and other data backs this up.

LeBron has simply been the most impactful player in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and arguably so in 2008, although i wouldn't give it to him.

[UK2K]

Surprised to see MVP James Harden not on there. Looks like the Rockets top 7 defense somehow stole some of that shine. Good to see the rest of the team finally getting some credit.
:roll:

Rent free

:roll:

[Budadiiii]

Nope. I always believed LeBron is the best simple because he is the most impactful. Not because of basic stats or anything else. Eye test. RAPM and other data backs this up.

LeBron has simply been the most impactful player in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and arguably so in 2008, although i wouldn't give it to him.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291929

pauk endorses it.

And lol @ "crazed ranting removed" ... :facepalm

[SugarHill]

And lol @ "crazed ranting removed" ... :facepalm
:roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291929

pauk endorses it.

And lol @ "crazed ranting removed" ... :facepalm
:roll: :roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Nobody even quoted the crazed ranting :facepalm

[Dengness9]

I hate Lebron and wouldn't care if he died tomorrow but OP is pathetic. How much spare time can one loser have on his hands? Keyboard hero life.

[Im Still Ballin]

Just made a quick rant about WHY i think PER is a terrible measure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um40V_W-d24&feature=youtu.be

[RoundMoundOfReb]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291929

pauk endorses it.

And lol @ "crazed ranting removed" ... :facepalm
Pauk is a ph@ggot

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Just made a quick rant about WHY i think PER is a terrible measure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um40V_W-d24&feature=youtu.be
great vid. make a new thread about it. :applause:

[SugarHill]

Just made a quick rant about WHY i think PER is a terrible measure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um40V_W-d24&feature=youtu.be

you sound wildly different than I ever expected:biggums:

[Budadiiii]

Just made a quick rant about WHY i think PER is a terrible measure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um40V_W-d24&feature=youtu.be
Needed a little better explanation. Not really sold on your argument.

Can you explain why LeBron's PER is down from years previous? It has never accounted for defense and LeBron is actually playing less minutes than usual.

Pretty huge drop off in PER and not MVP worthy IMO

[Budadiiii]

you sound widely different than I ever expected:biggums:
When are we gonna be graced by your voice?

inb4 no mic

[navy]

I legit think SugarHill is a girl.

[pauk]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291929

pauk endorses it.

And lol @ "crazed ranting removed" ... :facepalm

I "endorse" it only for what it is.... a stat that measures per minute stats.... the end.... thats all it only does and it should be treated as such.... i have always said this...

It means nothing more than that, doesnt mean somebody is the best, it doesnt measure the intangibles that makes somebody better than the other....

[Milbuck]

I legit think SugarHill is a girl.
Don't think moe is a girl, but I will say, there are more girls on here than you think, J/S.

[navy]

Don't think moe is a girl, but I will say, there are more girls on here than you think, J/S.
moe has always given off a girl vibe. The way she laughs at unfunny post in a flirtatious manner is just a dead give away.

[Budadiiii]

I "endorse" it only for what it is.... a stat that measures per minute stats.... the end.... thats all it only does and it should be treated as such.... i have always said this...

It means nothing more than that, doesnt mean somebody is the best, it doesnt measure the intangibles that makes somebody better than the other....
Lebron doesn't have any intangibles, never has.

The argument was his stats were better than everyone elses so he was automatically the better player.

Lebron has never passed the eye test for me so his huge statistical drop off just proves he has visibly, and statistically exited his prime right in front of our eyes.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron doesn't have any intangibles, never has.

The argument was his stats were better than everyone elses so he was automatically the better player.

Lebron has never passed the eye test for me so his huge statistical drop off just proves he has visibly, and statistically exited his prime right in front of our eyes.
LeBron is a sensational leader. Top tier intangibles.

[pauk]

Lebron doesn't have any intangibles, never has.

The argument was his stats were better than everyone elses so he was automatically the better player.

Lebron has never passed the eye test for me so his huge statistical drop off just proves he has visibly, and statistically exited his prime right in front of our eyes.

Ofcourse.... whatever you say Trolldadiiiiii....

[navy]

LeBron is a sensational leader. Top tier intangibles.
GOAT teammate. Has the whole league dying to play with him.

I hear Durant is colluding as we speak right now.

[SugarHill]

Lebron doesn't have any intangibles, never has.

The argument was his stats were better than everyone elses so he was automatically the better player.

Lebron has never passed the eye test for me so his huge statistical drop off just proves he has visibly, and statistically exited his prime right in front of our eyes.
playing 3 less minutes than his career average while basically putting up his career stats

put it this way, LeBron being pedestrian is statistically on par with the two heavily favored MVPs of this league

[J Shuttlesworth]

playing 3 less minutes than his career average while basically putting up his career stats
Well hey apparently that's what LeBron "on the decline" looks like... near 26/7/6 in 36 mpg. I guess that's the player we'll see for the next 6 years. Sounds like GOAT to me

[Budadiiii]

playing 3 less minutes than his career average while basically putting up his career stats
Shitty PER...

Turnovers?

His efficiency has dropped off HUGE this year as well. Just not the same cherry picker he once was. He went from GOAT cherry picking peak to just good in one offseason.

[Budadiiii]

Well hey apparently that's what LeBron "on the decline" looks like... near 26/7/6 in 36 mpg. I guess that's the player we'll see for the next 6 years. Sounds like GOAT to me
Denounce PER while at the same time bringing up raw stats.

PER already does a much better job at gauging ones statistical impact. No need to revert back to face value stats to hype your hero.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Denounce PER while at the same time bringing up raw stats.

PER already does a much better job at gauging ones statistical impact. No need to revert back to face value stats to hype your hero.
So I'm guessing you would consider this top 5 to be accurate considering how much you base PER

http://i.imgur.com/0YOzQ1P.png

[Joyner82reload]

So I'm guessing you would consider this top 5 to be accurate considering how much you base PER

http://i.imgur.com/0YOzQ1P.png

Posting an active player just exiting his prime, aka PER is at its peak, vs a bunch of players who have played out their entire careers, PER is at it's lowest due to past prime seasons weighting it down

LOL

[Im Still Ballin]

So I'm guessing you would consider this top 5 to be accurate considering how much you base PER

http://i.imgur.com/0YOzQ1P.png
Check out the *s... Weak era label

[Budadiiii]

So I'm guessing you would consider this top 5 to be accurate considering how much you base PER

http://i.imgur.com/0YOzQ1P.png
Let's not get crazy here.

I value PER for what it is... but that doesn't mean the eye test doesn't play a huge factor. I'm on record for saying Lebron is a terrible leader, lacks heart, and is ONLY stats. Been saying it for YEARS.

So his statistical drop off is concerning because he was never someone who passed my eye test. He's now failing the eye test and the stat test.

MVP?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Posting an active player just exiting his prime, aka PER is at its peak, vs a bunch of players who have played out their entire careers, PER is at it's lowest due to past prime seasons weighting it down

LOL
Shaq up to 06 was 27.8...it's not gonna drop that much.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Posting an active player just exiting his prime, aka PER is at its peak, vs a bunch of players who have played out their entire careers, PER is at it's lowest due to past prime seasons weighting it down

LOL
Maybe peaks would be more accurate, you're right.

http://i.imgur.com/hHtv7gG.png

[Budadiiii]

Posting an active player just exiting his prime, aka PER is at its peak, vs a bunch of players who have played out their entire careers, PER is at it's lowest due to past prime seasons weighting it down

LOL
And this is a good point.

If LeBron plays another 8 years like his stans suggest, his career PER will be around 25.

[Joyner82reload]

Maybe peaks would be more accurate, you're right.

http://i.imgur.com/hHtv7gG.png

You do realize that if mpg, blocks, and steals were kept on record in the 60's/70's, that entire top 10 would be Wilt and Kareem, right?

[Marchesk]

Maybe peaks would be more accurate, you're right.

http://i.imgur.com/hHtv7gG.png

So ... Wilt, MJ & Lebron are tier 1

Then Davis and Paul are tier 2

Then everyone else?

[Im Still Ballin]

Wilt played in a weak era

[J Shuttlesworth]

Damn what's up with this Joyner?

Durant in 2014:
PER in Regular Season: 29.8
PER in the playoffs: 22.6

:biggums:

LBJ in 2014:
PER in the season: 29.3
PER in the playoffs: 31.1

Can't even consider Durant a legit MVP after reading these facts

And 4 turnovers a game in the playoffs for KD :facepalm

[navy]

Damn what's up with this Joyner?

Durant in 2014:
PER in Regular Season: 29.8
PER in the playoffs: 22.6

:biggums:

LBJ in 2014:
PER in the season: 29.3
PER in the playoffs: 31.1

Can't even consider Durant a legit MVP after reading these facts

And 4 turnovers a game in the playoffs for KD :facepalm
Wilt like drop off. What was Westbrook's PER?

[Im Still Ballin]

Damn what's up with this Joyner?

Durant in 2014:
PER in Regular Season: 29.8
PER in the playoffs: 22.6

:biggums:

LBJ in 2014:
PER in the season: 29.3
PER in the playoffs: 31.1

Can't even consider Durant a legit MVP after reading these facts

And 4 turnovers a game in the playoffs for KD :facepalm

Ether

[Budadiiii]

Damn what's up with this Joyner?

Durant in 2014:
PER in Regular Season: 29.8
PER in the playoffs: 22.6

:biggums:

LBJ in 2014:
PER in the season: 29.3
PER in the playoffs: 31.1

Can't even consider Durant a legit MVP after reading these facts

And 4 turnovers a game in the playoffs for KD :facepalm
He passed the eye test.

Great leader in the playoffs, came up huge in close out games.

LeBron had no urgency in the finals and was literally just empty stats. No surprise he had a high PER against those shitty Eastern teams and stat padded his way to a good statistical finals while his team got the worst beat down in history.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Wilt like drop off. What was Westbrook's PER?
Westbrook in the playoffs: 24.9
Season: 24.7

And Russy was coming off his injury that season. Guess that settles the whole "batman/robin" debate

[SugarHill]

He passed the eye test.

Great leader in the playoffs, came up huge in close out games.

LeBron had no urgency in the finals and was literally just empty stats. No surprise he had a high PER against those shitty Eastern teams and stat padded his way to a good statistical finals while his team got the worst beat down in history.

Durant literally rode a ball at one point in the playoffs

[RoundMoundOfReb]

He passed the eye test.

Great leader in the playoffs, came up huge in close out games.

LeBron had no urgency in the finals and was literally just empty stats. No surprise he had a high PER against those shitty Eastern teams and stat padded his way to a good statistical finals while his team got the worst beat down in history.

Durant is overrated, dude. You can still join the LeBron Family if you'd like?

[Budadiiii]

Durant literally rode a ball at one point in the playoffs
Stop flirting with me, moe. Not in the mood. Let the men discuss ball, ok?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You do realize that if mpg, blocks, and steals were kept on record in the 60's/70's, that entire top 10 would be Wilt and Kareem, right?
Maybe...but LeBron and MJ would still be the highest perimeter players.

[Budadiiii]

Keep negging me pauk. Doesn't make Silva any less of a cheater.

[hahaitme]

Damn what's up with this Joyner?

Durant in 2014:
PER in Regular Season: 29.8
PER in the playoffs: 22.6

:biggums:

LBJ in 2014:
PER in the season: 29.3
PER in the playoffs: 31.1

Can't even consider Durant a legit MVP after reading these facts

And 4 turnovers a game in the playoffs for KD :facepalm

thread just got #rekt

[CarlosBoozer]

Damn what's up with this Joyner?

Durant in 2014:
PER in Regular Season: 29.8
PER in the playoffs: 22.6

:biggums:

LBJ in 2014:
PER in the season: 29.3
PER in the playoffs: 31.1

Can't even consider Durant a legit MVP after reading these facts

And 4 turnovers a game in the playoffs for KD :facepalm
Oh shit :eek: