Chicago police operating CIA-style "Black site" for interrogations

[resin_baller]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site?CMP=share_btn_tw

What the fvck is this? The NSA spying on everybody, police abuses, seizures, shootings, intimidation, etc, and the american media covering almost nothing and offering us bullshit fake political dichotomies and celebrity scandal vomit. And now this modern day Bastille. The f**king conspiracy theorists are right. These people are working together. Rahm Emmanuel has to know about this, and Obama too. And the NSA is probably able to blackmail anyone trying to stop it with more efficiency than J. Edgar Hoover's FBI ever had. And if they can't blackmail them, they can just make some sh** up, and spoon feed it to the media and use sockpuppets to push their primed narrative. Insanity. This sh*t is out of control.

[dajadeed]

These exist in every country. Well, not literally ever country, but every "power" in the world has these. Nothing to see, keep it moving.

You're living in a dream if you think any government is truly "transparent." People are stupid. Most wouldn't be able to truly handle what a "transparent" government would tell them about how shit really is in the world.

It creates incredible chances for abuses and whatnot but it's a risk that has to be taken.

[KevinNYC]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site?CMP=share_btn_tw

What the fvck is this? The NSA spying on everybody, police abuses, seizures, shootings, intimidation, etc, and the american media covering almost nothing and offering us bullshit fake political dichotomies and celebrity scandal vomit. And now this modern day Bastille. The f**king conspiracy theorists are right. These people are working together. Rahm Emmanuel has to know about this, and Obama too. And the NSA is probably able to blackmail anyone trying to stop it with more efficiency than J. Edgar Hoover's FBI ever had. And if they can't blackmail them, they can just make some sh** up, and spoon feed it to the media and use sockpuppets to push their primed narrative. Insanity. This sh*t is out of control.

The Guardian has been known to hype the shit out of stories like these. For example, the whole point of a black site is that is a secretive facility. Chicago PD is denying these claims (which of course they would), but the claim that this building is not a secret should be very easy to verify.

[QUOTE]The Guardian newspaper published a story Tuesday saying the Chicago Police Department operates an

[Dresta]

^^^^^^^^^^

Funny that when it comes to your own propagandising, you quote from the Guardian incessantly, as if what they say backs up your already steadfastly held opinions.

OP: What do you expect when the citizenry stand by idly as the incumbent government salami slices away at liberty, and has done for most of the past century? There's going to be a lot of *wait, what just happened* moments for a lot of people over the next few decades. The state already has within its capacity the power and framework to create a surveillance and military superstate of unprecedented proportion, and will do so as soon as it becomes necessary (i.e. when people are fearful enough for their security to turn to and support it). Most don't consider any of this possible because they think democracy is the ultimate check on tyranny (wrong, it often spreads and perpetuates tyranny, especially without clear Constitutional restraints). Jury trial is 100x more important for the preservation of liberty than democracy is.

[KevinNYC]

The main guy quoted in the piece was acquitted of Terrorism charges, but was convicted of making Molotov cocktails. The Chicago police said they were watching these guys and only moved to arrest them at the time they did because of the overt act of making bombs.

These guys were booked, did get access to attornies and had a trial. The headline in the Guardian claims these guys were "disappeared?" Hype much?

[LJJ]

Keeping arrestees out of official booking databases.

Beating by police, resulting in head wounds.

Shackling for prolonged periods.

Denying attorneys access to the “secure” facility.

Holding people without legal counsel for between 12 and 24 hours, including people as young as 15.

Calling this the domestic equivalent of a Black Site is such pedestrian, dumb reporting. Straight up dumb, really, there is no better word to describe it.

[falc39]

These exist in every country. Well, not literally ever country, but every "power" in the world has these. Nothing to see, keep it moving.

You're living in a dream if you think any government is truly "transparent." People are stupid. Most wouldn't be able to truly handle what a "transparent" government would tell them about how shit really is in the world.

It creates incredible chances for abuses and whatnot but it's a risk that has to be taken.

Transparency has been awesome. Disclosures of what the NSA has done is being met with a huge response from the tech and cyber security industries, and that is even with the lame duck congress not being able to figure out how to deal with it. If the government can't be transparent with the taxpayers they serve, then they deserve not to have its trust.

[KevinNYC]

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-chicago/7/71/393084/homan-square-site-chicago-police-deny-report-secret-interrogation-compound

Here's the PD's response.

[Dresta]

The main guy quoted in the piece was acquitted of Terrorism charges, but was convicted of making Molotov cocktails. The Chicago police said they were watching these guys and only moved to arrest them at the time they did because of the overt act of making bombs.

These guys were booked, did get access to attornies and had a trial. The headline in the Guardian claims these guys were "disappeared?" Hype much?
The Guardian always pulls this kind of inane shit. It has become over the last 5 years the worst newspaper i think i've ever read. According to the Guardian, America is just a place to go if you wanna shoot black people or schoolchildren, and get away with the former.

[KevinNYC]

This article is from 2006 (http://www.illinoislegalaid.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentID=5349) but here's what Illinois Legal Aid says about the law in that state.



How long can I be held under arrest?
There is no exact limit on the amount of time an adult can be held in police custody before being charged. In Illinois, courts use a "totality of the circumstances" test to decide if a person has been held too long. This means that courts will look at many different factors, including:

the length of time a person has been held
how many times their Miranda rights have been read to them, and
the conditions in which they are being held
The longer a person is held, the greater the chances that any statements taken later in that time will not be used against them in court.

Different rules apply for juveniles held under arrest. Click on the title below for more information.

How long can a juvenile be held under arrest?
The amount of time a juvenile can be held under arrest before they are charged or released is depends on their age. Police officers can hold someone under 12 years of age for only 6 hours. Juveniles between 12-16 years of age can be held for 12 hours if a non-violent crime is being investigated and for up to 24 hours if a violent crime is being investigated.

[KevinNYC]

the whole point of a black site is that is a secretive facility.I wonder if the headline writer saw this picture run by his own newspaper

http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-860/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/2/24/1424787154859/1766988c-7164-4c18-a37b-377568b4752e-1020x612.jpeg

or the reporter
From the outside, you have to concentrate to realize Homan Square is a police facility.

[Akrazotile]

Room 101!

[CP343]

Maybe they'll start labeling street gangs as terrorist groups.

[Akrazotile]

Maybe they'll start labeling street gangs as terrorist groups.


Let's hope so

[longhornfan1234]

Obama and Dems are stripping our freedoms and rights.

[Godzuki]

i don't know why people are always so paranoid. unless you're a terrorist, criminal, etc. and plan on resisting arrest and carrying a gun around to point at cops you have a 99.9% chance of nothing bad happening to you from our secret government shit. the world is so fukked up with mf'ers trying to blow us up, kill the Prez, join ISIS, etc. etc. i've got no problems with them doing more than pretending to have to catch these idiots in the act.

pick up a newspaper, there are so many things going on where regular police and normal rules will never stop from occurring.

tap into my phone i don't care. put video camera's in every public area. i'd welcome that if it meant no unsolved mysteries and less tragic shit. seriously wtf are people doing where you're so worried about them looking? :biggums:

[falc39]

tap into my phone i don't care. put video camera's in every public area. i'd welcome that if it meant no unsolved mysteries and less tragic shit. seriously wtf are people doing where you're so worried about them looking? :biggums:

Read some history and maybe understand the basic individual rights our government was designed to protect. No unsolved mysteries and less tragic shit??? :oldlol: It was found that mass surveillance was ineffective in stopping terror plots. Do you not understand that the terrorist win when you give up your rights :facepalm

[Godzuki]

Read some history and maybe understand the basic individual rights our government was designed to protect. No unsolved mysteries and less tragic shit??? :oldlol: It was found that mass surveillance was ineffective in stopping terror plots. Do you not understand that the terrorist win when you give up your rights :facepalm


yeah go back to when there were town criers with trumpets, bells, whistles and shit having to warn everyone from some surprise attack :lol

sure video has never caught a criminal or been the basis of catching criminals and solving a crime :lol

how the fukk have terrorists won if there is more government surveillance? :wtf: don't pull that lame anti government paranoid bullshit on me. terrorists lose when they're arrested in the plot prior to carrying out a act just like what just happened, and happens frequently.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/25/us/new-york-terror-plot/index.html


yeah terrorists sure love it when their communications are eavesdropped on and caught :lol

you do realize security camera surveillance works wonders in deterring crime and catching criminals in many other countries where there aren't so many paranoid conspiracy idiots the government is out to get them?

only in America do we have the most paranoid amendment people who are still living in the 1700's :facepalm

[falc39]

yeah go back to when there were town criers with trumpets, bells, whistles and shit having to warn everyone from some surprise attack :lol

sure video has never caught a criminal or been the basis of catching criminals and solving a crime :lol

how the fukk have terrorists won if there is more government surveillance? :wtf: don't pull that lame anti government paranoid bullshit on me. terrorists lose when they're arrested in the plot prior to carrying out a act just like what just happened, and happens frequently.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/25/us/new-york-terror-plot/index.html


yeah terrorists sure love it when their communications are eavesdropped on and caught :lol

you do realize security camera surveillance works wonders in deterring crime and catching criminals in many other countries where there aren't so many paranoid conspiracy idiots the government is out to get them?

only in America do we have the most paranoid amendment people who are still living in the 1700's :facepalm

Reading comprehension, dude... reading comprehension :facepalm

I said mass surveillance, not "video has never been used to catch a criminal" :lol

Wanting to hold your government accountable is not anti-government. You want cameras everywhere and someone wiretapping you 24/7? Go live in China or Russia :lol

[KevinNYC]

Federal lawsuit filed in connection with alleged Homan Square abuses (http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-chicago/7/71/456429/federal-lawsuit-filed-connection-alleged-homan-square-abuses)



Interesting op-ed (http://chicago.suntimes.com/other-views/7/71/426535/cpds-homan-square-cia-black-site) from a defense who represented both folks the folks mentioned in the Guardian article and somone who was detained at an actual CIA black site. [QUOTE]Homan Square is hardly a black site by any stretch of the imagination, and I can speak with some authority on the topic. I represented Jared Chase in Cook County State