Ancient Egypt appreciation thread (Black History month

[rlsmooth775]

The greatest civilization on earth was created by black africans thousands of years ago.

http://www.prntrkmt.org/pharaoh/pict/narmer_menes.jpg

http://hagib.de/berichte/aegypten/amenophis3/teje.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/SphinxOfTaharqa.jpg/220px-SphinxOfTaharqa.jpg

http://www.shenoc.com/taharka%201.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/474x/72/cc/1d/72cc1d581bd7b20b38656274fc782e47.jpg

https://sunandshield.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/egyptian4-homesteadcomwysinger.jpg

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp337_big_copy.jpg

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Peanut Butter as well!

Happy to have the brothas be alive and kickin'!

There's much to be said about Ancient Egypt though.

Me and gigantes have some homework to do...

[Joyner82reload]

Oh boy, this will surely end well

[rlsmooth775]

Oh boy, this will surely end well

Such a cool culture right

[ZeN]

http://conspiraciesnow.com/conspiracy-videos/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/0157.jpg

[NumberSix]

Peanut Butter as well!

Happy to have the brothas be alive and kickin'!

There's much to be said about Ancient Egypt though.

Me and gigantes have some homework to do...
It's a common misconception that George Washing Carver invented peanut butter. He didn't.

And Egyptians aren't black.

[rlsmooth775]

It's a common misconception that George Washing Carver invented peanut butter. He didn't.

And Egyptians aren't black.

The ancient ones are

[LJJ]

There's no evidence or reason to believe ancient Egyptians looked much different than current Egyptians.

It's profoundly racist to state that they must belong to one specific, non-native race.

[kNIOKAS]

I know where you coming from

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=02b_1335105040

[NumberSix]

The ancient ones are
Unfortunately for your assertion, all DNA evidence shows that the current people of North Africa are the same people who have been there going back at least 10,000 years. Modern day North Africans are not Arabs as some pseudo historians would have you believe.

If you want to know what ancient Egyptians looked like, look at modern day native Tunisians. There is almost no genetic difference between them and the North Africans of 10,000 ago. They've managed to remain pure native North African.

[rlsmooth775]

There's no evidence or reason to believe ancient Egyptians looked much different than current Egyptians.

It's profoundly racist to state that they must belong to one specific, non-native race.

No Egyptians were black this is a fact.

[rlsmooth775]

DNA tribes confirmed King tut and ramsees 111 are sub saharan african. Everything about egypt screams black people from the hairstyles to the artwork.

[BasedTom]

No Egyptians were black this is a fact.
**** off.

[NumberSix]

DNA tribes confirmed King tut and ramsees 111 are sub saharan african. Everything about egypt screams black people from the hairstyles to the artwork.
The only problem with that is that DNAtribes has never tested either of their DNA.

[rlsmooth775]

The only problem with that is that DNAtribes has never tested either of their DNA.

look it up

[NumberSix]

look it up
Look up what?

[rlsmooth775]

Look up what?

It's been confirmed King tut was sub saharan african

[rezznor]

http://conspiraciesnow.com/conspiracy-videos/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/0157.jpg
This confirms the theory that ancient Egyptians were in fact aliens.

[NumberSix]

It's been confirmed King tut was sub saharan african
As I just told you, DNAtribes NEVER tested his DNA. It's an internet myth. Just like the other Internet myth about a DNA test proving he was European. They're both made up. The Egyptians have done internal testing and have never released the results. They have never let ANYBODY else test the DNA.

[rlsmooth775]

As I just told you, DNAtribes NEVER tested his DNA. It's an internet myth. Just like the other Internet myth about a DNA test proving he was European. They're both made up. The Egyptians have done internal testing and have never released the results. They have never let ANYBODY else test the DNA.

DNAtribes has articles on it

[DonDadda59]

No Egyptians were black this is a fact.

You mustv'e skipped History class bruh.

http://ewn.co.za/cdn/-%2Fmedia%2F7FB34BCB987C4FBE860BE65D96BD291B.ashx%3 Fas%3D1%26h%3D289%26w%3D463%26crop%3D1

That's what Egyptians looked like.

[NumberSix]

DNAtribes has articles on it
Then you should have no problem posting these articles detailing their testing his DNA.

[rlsmooth775]

http://www.prntrkmt.org/pharaoh/pict/narmer_menes.jpg

What race does this guy look like :lol at the denial.

[rlsmooth775]

Then you should have no problem posting these articles detailing their testing his DNA.

They found out where their ancestors were from this is common knowledge :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

http://www.prntrkmt.org/pharaoh/pict/narmer_menes.jpg

What race does this guy look like :lol at the denial.


http://www.haguejusticeportal.net/Images/ICC/Prosecution/Libya/gadaffi%202.jpg

[moaz]

The old Egyptians weren't black. Actually, they looked like the normal farmer from upper Egypt today. Egyptian have not changed much over the thousands of years. All the big invasions concentrated in the north and the biggest (Arabs) actually went through and moved farther to Libya and the Maghreb and only few settled in the Nile delta (if you compare that to the Levant and Iraq were almost all of them setled you'll see the difference)

The Egyptians also made sure in there hieroglyphs to distinguish themselves from their neighbors (Asians had beards and thick black hair, Africans were "thicker" and had braided hair and so on. Here are some examples:

About 1450 BC Queen Hatshepsut sent some explorers to the Land of Punt (now Eritrea/Somalia).

This is one example how the Egyptians draw the natives (google the rest hieroglyphs)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RN2XNr6CWF8/S9RB2BU6YwI/AAAAAAAACUo/fhXNfVgotZk/s1600/PuntQueen.jpg

Here is a picture of an Egyptian Slave market (notice the difference between the guards and the prisoners)

http://marchofthetitans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/egyptian-slave-market.jpg

And here is an other image showing the Nubian bringing gifts to the Pharaoh

http://marchofthetitans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Sobkhotep-Thebes-image-negroes1.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/474x/72/cc/1d/72cc1d581bd7b20b38656274fc782e47.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Mastaba_of_Niankhkhum_and_Khnumhotep_embrace_2.jpg

[NumberSix]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/474x/72/cc/1d/72cc1d581bd7b20b38656274fc782e47.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02820/Abdel-Fattah-al-Si_2820907b.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

King tut who DNAtribes said was sub saharan african when studying his family

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KingTut.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02820/Abdel-Fattah-al-Si_2820907b.jpg

no lips no melanin

[rlsmooth775]

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k513/tlxlowe/11thdynasticstatue.jpg

:roll: :roll:

[NumberSix]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ab/22/08/ab2208718e5cdb124f7afbaee47acd39.jpg

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[rlsmooth775]

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http://picturestack.com/241/971/3PePicture2dwo.jpg

Lmfao

[rlsmooth775]

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:roll: :roll: :roll: meltdown

[dude77]

:lol another dumb afrocentrist thread .. always good for a laugh


https://dhcfellows2012ucla.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/dsc_0096-02.jpg

the U.S. is obviously a black nation run by blacks

[rlsmooth775]

:lol another dumb afrocentrist thread .. always good for a laugh


https://dhcfellows2012ucla.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/dsc_0096-02.jpg

the U.S. is obviously a black nation run by blacks

I had no idea ish had so many racists who hate blacks :roll: :roll: :roll:

[rlsmooth775]

The greatest civilization didn't come from Europe :lol

[rlsmooth775]

[QUOTE=rlsmooth775]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/474x/72/cc/1d/72cc1d581bd7b20b38656274fc782e47.jpg

http://picturestack.com/241/971/3PePicture2dwo.jpg

So this man wasn't black :oldlol:

[moaz]

hmm I wrote an answer with some points to discuss. Your answer is to post random pics with ancient Egyptians with big noses (and in the case of hierglyps, not even the whole image). So, i just put pharoh in goggle image serach: the first hits where these

We all can play the nose game

http://i2.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article606491.ece/alternates/s615/C_71_article_1406301_image_list_image_list_item_0_ image.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2011/2/15/1297784676998/sansom-pharaohs-007.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/6/14/1339666514404/Twilight-Pharaoh-Amun-009.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1128961/thumbs/o-NEW-PHARAOHS-facebook.jpg


We all can play the nose game

[rlsmooth775]

Someone is butthurt I actually know who these people are i gave proof of skin color and physical face features DNAtribes says King tut is sub saharan african his tomb shows his skin color and everything :lol

[outbreak]

posting their sculptures and artwork doesn't win either side any arguments, they heavily stylised their depections

[NumberSix]

Someone is butthurt I actually know who these people are i gave proof of skin color and physical face features DNAtribes says King tut is sub saharan african his tomb shows his skin color and everything :lol
Feel free to post the articles detailing their DNA testing that you claim exist.

[rlsmooth775]

King tuts grandmother http://media.tumblr.com/f4fde8ebcffc195f68a1186589f78fc1/tumblr_inline_mwf0djsus91qizi9m.jpg

[NumberSix]

The greatest civilization didn't come from Europe :lol
It obviously did. I think it's pretty safe to say the greatest civilization is the one we are currently living in.

[rlsmooth775]

Feel free to post the articles detailing their DNA testing that you claim exist.

Use google me just sending you links won't help you learn. They mapped out what part of Africa his ancestors came out of.

[NumberSix]

Use google me just sending you links won't help you learn. They mapped out what part of Africa his ancestors came out of.
I can't google things that don't exist.

[rlsmooth775]

It obviously did. I think it's pretty safe to say the greatest civilization is the one we are currently living in.

Nah the ancient egyptians were the goat civilization taught white people everything they know.

[rlsmooth775]

I can't google things that don't exist.

A quick google search we show im right. Its simple king tut dnatribes. Once you find the site you will see what part of africa he comes out of

[BasedTom]

The greatest civilization didn't come from Europe :lol
The Atlanteans are the predecessors of all of today's Indo-Europeans and their variants, from the Greeks and Romans, to the Persians, to the Balts, Germanics to the Celts to the Slavs. Their closest descendants are the Basque people and the Georgians.

The Egyptians too fall under this category, and were not black in the any way as the sub-saharan africans. This, contrary to extremist and racist propaganda which attempts to merge the two together. Among the African cultures, the most successful were the atlantean descended North Africans (berbers, misr, tuareg, etc) and the also atlantean descended Ethiopians. These civilizations enslaved sub-saharan africans and used them as cattle. And since neolithic times, humans have drawn rudimentary images of their livestock and tools.

pic related is a prime example of what I am talking about: it is an ancient slavic child's drawing

http://usvsth3m.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tumblr_inline_mol59uvMyN1qz4rgp.jpg

The Egyptians were obviously much more advanced and ornate than slavic pagans, but are of a similar heritage. I hope this clears up any confusion, friend.

[SugarHill]

that kid can't draw for shit

[rlsmooth775]

The oldest known man made mummy a black african child. Nail in the coffin to crazy eurocentrics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz94ZjGCy2s

[BasedTom]

The oldest known man made mummy a black african child. Nail in the coffin to crazy eurocentrics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz94ZjGCy2s
Eurocentrics? I could spend days talking about the great Altaic and Turkic civilizations, who at times intermingled and produced new light with the Atlanteans and have migrated from the steppes to Europe, through frozen wastes and to the shores of the New World. Or the various Chinese, most notably the Han, who were amazingly innovative and have a rich history and tradition spanning thousands of years, outclassing almost all others.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Lenguas_altaicas.png

Eurocentric? Because I shit on your RACIST extremist LIES and deluded- borderline criminal revisionist history? Get out of here and take your racist agenda with you.

[rlsmooth775]

Eurocentrics? I could spend days talking about the great Altaic and Turkic civilizations, who at times intermingled and produced new light with the Atlanteans and have migrated from the steppes to Europe, through frozen wastes and to the shores of the New World. Or the various Chinese, most notably the Han, who were amazingly innovative and have a rich history and tradition spanning thousands of years, outclassing almost all others.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Lenguas_altaicas.png

Eurocentric? Because I shit on your RACIST extremist LIES and deluded- borderline criminal revisionist history? Get out of here and take your racist agenda with you.

:biggums: Nothing to do with my link

[Akrazotile]

rlsmooth puttin the troll on errbody. solid execution.

[BasedTom]

:biggums: Nothing to do with my link
The Egyptians were not Black. Period. End of story.

Is Mexico run by and populated by roosters because they have them as pets and have them fight to the death? Are Hungarians horses because they often used them for war and migrations?

You fail. Your racist shit is paper thin, not even an ex-NFL millionaire would buy that shit.

[SugarHill]

The Egyptians were not Black. Period. End of story.

Is Mexico run by and populated by roosters because they have them as pets and have them fight to the death? Are Hungarians horses because they often used them for war and migrations?

You fail. Your racist shit is paper thin, not even an ex-NFL millionaire would buy that shit.

:rolleyes:

[qrich]

:biggums: Nothing to do with my link

At around 26:48

"It's this mix raced culture that mummified Juan Garcia"

[BurningHammer]

https://psiqueland.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/bscap0017.jpg

[rezznor]

Nah the ancient egyptians were the goat civilization taught white people everything they know.
ancient chinese civilization > ancient egyptians

[rlsmooth775]

Nail in the coffin for eurocentrics lol at the butthurt whites in the comment section saying who cares

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVaVqt2RVCc

[qrich]

Nail in the coffin for eurocentrics lol at the butthurt whites in the comment section saying who cares

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVaVqt2RVCc

So is that anything more than some guy talking without anything but blurred wordings?

I mean, really?

Another idiotic post from an idiotic poster.

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So is that anything more than some guy talking without anything but blurred wordings?

I mean, really?

Another idiotic post from an idiotic poster.

All the "evidence" people bring up on both sides of this argument as finally proving 100% that the entire Egyptian civilization was one colour is usually provided by a group with an agenda with a theory/data that has been contested in the scientific world.

[Akrazotile]

There is actually biblical evidence of the ancient Egyptians being black. Observe:

[quote=book of ezekiel] 14

[NumberSix]

There is actually biblical evidence of the ancient Egyptians being black. Observe:




:confusedshrug:


Btw did I mention Im part Egyptian?
There's also bible evidence of magic powers.

[outbreak]

There's also bible evidence of magic powers.

and kingdoms that never existed and animals in the middle east that weren't introduced in to those areas until hundreds of years later and more lol

[rlsmooth775]

So is that anything more than some guy talking without anything but blurred wordings?

I mean, really?

Another idiotic post from an idiotic poster.

The youtube video shows two DNA companies that you can look up yourself. It basically shows what part of Africa King tut was related to.

[Akrazotile]

There's also bible evidence of magic powers.


Well, I must admit this certainly refutes my highly serious post.

[qrich]

The youtube video shows two DNA companies that you can look up yourself. It basically shows what part of Africa King tut was related to.

No, it really doesn't.

By the way, your video states that:

"It's this mix raced culture that mummified Juan Garcia"

[rlsmooth775]

No, it really doesn't.

By the way, your video states that:

"It's this mix raced culture that mummified Juan Garcia"
The cave paintings don't look white at all its all they don't want to give blacks credit.You can look up the information online King tut has ties to Sub saharan africans

[LJJ]

ancient chinese civilization > ancient egyptians

My nikka knows what's up. Egypt was a lot earlier tho.

[rlsmooth775]

No, it really doesn't.

By the way, your video states that:

"It's this mix raced culture that mummified Juan Garcia"

How do you explain king tuts ties to sub sahara africa

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The cave paintings don't look white at all its all they don't want to give blacks credit.You can look up the information online King tut has ties to Sub saharan africans

explain why their artwork depicts nubians and other known black races as black yet depicts egyptian males as red and woman as bright yellow? It's stylised dude, they make clear distinctions in all their literature and artwork between them and other black races of the time. This could mean they weren't black or it could mean they just thought they were above those nations but you can't pick and choose parts of the art and ignore others.

[outbreak]

How do you explain king tuts ties to sub sahara africa

probably the same way you yourself would explain the dna testing that's shown other mummies to be european, or the pigment testing that's shown ramses had red hair or that other mummies had red/blonde hair. The whole argument is one big cluster **** of agenda groups and bad\incomplete science trying to prove something 100% that can probably never be proven 100%.

[qrich]

How do you explain king tuts ties to sub sahara africa

How do you explain how anyone can lack a single iota of knowledge such as yourself?

[BasedTom]

pic related was what the average Egyptian civilians looked like:

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/11600/56111b53-c236-44aa-a447-40f4f8703ee2/26c/rglang/en-US/filename/vassilis-spanoulis-and-zeljko-obradovic-panathinaikos.jpg
Obviously a bit darker because of the climate, but basically the same.

[rlsmooth775]

probably the same way you yourself would explain the dna testing that's shown other mummies to be european, or the pigment testing that's shown ramses had red hair or that other mummies had red/blonde hair. The whole argument is one big cluster **** of agenda groups and bad\incomplete science trying to prove something 100% that can probably never be proven 100%.

You know those ancient egyptians dyed their hair with henna right :lol and pure africans can have blonde hair look it up.

[rlsmooth775]

How do you explain how anyone can lack a single iota of knowledge such as yourself?

So i win the argument king tut was black

[qrich]

So i win the argument king tut was black

You win nothing.

[rlsmooth775]

[QUOTE=rlsmooth775][QUOTE=rlsmooth775]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/474x/72/cc/1d/72cc1d581bd7b20b38656274fc782e47.jpg

http://picturestack.com/241/971/3PePicture2dwo.jpg

Tell me this man wasn't black

[rlsmooth775]

You win nothing.

More proof Ancient egyptians were black than white. More proof famous egyptians like tut were sub shahran i know it hurts.

[NumberSix]

More proof Ancient egyptians were black than white. More proof famous egyptians like tut were sub shahran i know it hurts.
White? :wtf:

Did anyone claim they were white? :confusedshrug:

[outbreak]

You know those ancient egyptians dyed their hair with henna right :lol and pure africans can have blonde hair look it up.

They've found natural human pigments in their hair, they aren't talking about just an eye test.

[qrich]

More proof Ancient egyptians were black than white. More proof famous egyptians like tut were sub shahran i know it hurts.

Yes, it pains me so much that some dude who lived thousands of years ago wasn't white, although, no one claimed he was, and some pathetic little kid on insidehoops is making a big deal of it, with information that is either incorrect or missing.

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[QUOTE=rlsmooth775][QUOTE=rlsmooth775]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/474x/72/cc/1d/72cc1d581bd7b20b38656274fc782e47.jpg

http://picturestack.com/241/971/3PePicture2dwo.jpg

Tell me this man wasn't black

You are posting stylised artwork, he may well have been black but he could also have had fluro green skin for all we know. They had guidelines on how they portrayed their figures and don't match at all with how they physically looked. Everything down to the positioning of hands/feet/where other characters are are all symbolic and planned.

[rlsmooth775]

[QUOTE=rlsmooth775][QUOTE=rlsmooth775]

You are posting stylised artwork, he may well have been black but he could also have had fluro green skin for all we know. They had guidelines on how they portrayed their figures and don't match at all with how they physically looked. Everything down to the positioning of hands/feet/where other characters are are all symbolic and planned.

:biggums:
White people would rather believe aliens were ancient egyptians how sad. Caucasian folks know the greatest civilization known to man wasn't made by them so it makes them butthurt.

[rlsmooth775]

They've found natural human pigments in their hair, they aren't talking about just an eye test.

Like i said look up pure africans with blonde hair.

[rlsmooth775]

How are eurocentrics going to argue against science that says tut was black and is related to sub saharan africans :confusedshrug:

[rlsmooth775]

Yes, it pains me so much that some dude who lived thousands of years ago wasn't white, although, no one claimed he was, and some pathetic little kid on insidehoops is making a big deal of it, with information that is either incorrect or missing.

No its a proven both companies say tut was black

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[QUOTE=outbreak][QUOTE=rlsmooth775]

:biggums:
White people would rather believe aliens were ancient egyptians how sad. Caucasian folks know the greatest civilization known to man wasn't made by them so it makes them butthurt.

No i'm simply pointing out that a civilization known for using stylised artwork and colours should not have their artwork taken literally when it suits an argument. At no point did I say they were aliens. You are just a ****ing idiot who believes some biased articles but won't listen to another point of view.

[rlsmooth775]

[QUOTE=rlsmooth775][QUOTE=outbreak]

No i'm simply pointing out that a civilization known for using stylised artwork and colours should not have their artwork taken literally when it suits an argument. At no point did I say they were aliens. You are just a ****ing idiot who believes some biased articles but won't listen to another point of view.

Why are DNAtribes biased cause it shows a ruler of a great civilization was black. The man i showed you obviously has realistic skin color you're just making stuff up now. What color was he in your opinion?

[rezznor]

My nikka knows what's up. Egypt was a lot earlier tho.
not really. pyramids were built around 2600 bc. written chinese records go back 4000 years, but evidence of civilization date much further back than that (about 8000 years). also, chinese is the only one of the ancient civilizations that has continued unbroken through this day.

but i guess it depends on what we define as civilization, since we can find ancient paintings from both going tens of thousands of years even further back.

egypt, china, india, and babylonia are the 4 great ancient civilizations

[Akrazotile]

not really. pyramids were built around 2600 bc. written chinese records go back 4000 years, but evidence of civilization date much further back than that (about 8000 years). also, chinese is the only one of the ancient civilizations that has continued unbroken through this day.

but i guess it depends on what we define as civilization, since we can find ancient paintings from both going tens of thousands of years even further back.

egypt, china, india, and babylonia are the 4 great ancient civilizations



Isnt ancient "china" an amalgamation of different groups all contained within the broad region known as china? I'm not sure it was really the kind of single unified society as some of the other ancient civilizations. A lot of historic stuff does or may originate from that area but Im not sure historians consider China to be a distinct civilization the way Egypt and Sumeria were and so forth.

[rezznor]

Isnt ancient "china" an amalgamation of different groups all contained within the broad region known as china? I'm not sure it was really the kind of single unified society as some of the other ancient civilizations. A lot of historic stuff does or may originate from that area but Im not sure historians consider China to be a distinct civilization the way Egypt and Sumeria were and so forth.
true, china was was unified by emperor Qui in 251 bc, but much of the customs and culture were similar amongst the various kingdoms previous to unification (the first chinese dynasty, the Xia dates back to 2070 BC)

[LJJ]

not really. pyramids were built around 2600 bc. written chinese records go back 4000 years, but evidence of civilization date much further back than that (about 8000 years). also, chinese is the only one of the ancient civilizations that has continued unbroken through this day.

but i guess it depends on what we define as civilization, since we can find ancient paintings from both going tens of thousands of years even further back.

egypt, china, india, and babylonia are the 4 great ancient civilizations

Recorded history for Egypt starts at about 3200bc. China hits that mark around 1200bc.

Sure people lived in China before that time, obviously. But did they have a civilisation? Well, let's just say that what's left over from Egypt from 5000 years ago is way more substantial and indicative of civilisation than anything Chinese we have from even 3500 years ago.

[rezznor]

Recorded history for Egypt starts at about 3200bc. China hits that mark around 1200bc.

Sure people lived in China before that time, obviously. But did they have a civilisation? Well, let's just say that what's left over from Egypt from 5000 years ago is way more substantial and indicative of civilisation than anything Chinese we have from even 3500 years ago.
didn't realize egyptian hieroglyphs went back that far, i thought it was alot closer to written chinese. my bad. regardless, both were impressive ancient cultures.

btw, everything i read says china's starts around 2100 bc, not 1200

[KingBeasley08]

zEgyptians were neither European nor Sub-Saharan African. They were North African nikkas. Were probably very racially mixed

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Egyptian_races.jpg

Second guy is Nubian, clearly Sub-Saharan African. The other two are Libyan and European and the last one being how Egyptians depicted themselves.

They saw themselves as separate from both groups from North and South

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[QUOTE=outbreak][QUOTE=rlsmooth775]

Why are DNAtribes biased cause it shows a ruler of a great civilization was black. The man i showed you obviously has realistic skin color you're just making stuff up now. What color was he in your opinion?

I think they were a mixed race culture, I think it's hard to say what skin colour someone is based on stylised artwork, if you take their art work as literal you'd have to say their women were related to the simpsons and their pharoahs were native american.

[Joyner82reload]

No doubt, African's are the GOAT at building civilizations. Just look at this majestic landscape

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/african-village-mozambique-9194264.jpg

:roll:

2015 still living in mudhuts

[SugarHill]

No doubt, African's are the GOAT at building civilizations. Just look at this majestic landscape

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/african-village-mozambique-9194264.jpg

:roll:

2015 still living in mudhuts

I like how you contained yourself until the thread got bigger. :lol

[Akrazotile]

No doubt, African's are the GOAT at building civilizations. Just look at this majestic landscape

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/african-village-mozambique-9194264.jpg

:roll:

2015 still living in mudhuts


Not really anything inherently wrong with that :confusedshrug:

[rlsmooth775]

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I think they were a mixed race culture, I think it's hard to say what skin colour someone is based on stylised artwork, if you take their art work as literal you'd have to say their women were related to the simpsons and their pharoahs were native american

No they were originally black people. Why do people deny blacks lived in egypt, how do you explain tut being sub saharan

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I think they were a mixed race culture, I think it's hard to say what skin colour someone is based on stylised artwork, if you take their art work as literal you'd have to say their women were related to the simpsons and their pharoahs were native american

No they were originally black people. Why do people deny blacks lived in egypt, how do you explain tut being sub saharan

Just like you do not know how to quote you also do not understand what a mixed race culture is and you also seem to be caught up in one study on the remains of one person as if that determines the racial make up of an entire civilisation.

[rlsmooth775]

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Just like you do not know how to quote you also do not understand what a mixed race culture is and you also seem to be caught up in one study on the remains of one person as if that determines the racial make up of an entire civilisation.

I never said every single person was black in that time just the rulers and leaders in the beginning of egypt/kemets history. The majority were black and it was ruled by blacks for thousands of years.

[rezznor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy

[bluechox2]

black pharaoh bitches...

[KingBeasley08]

There were Blacks that ruled Egypt for a while. The Nubians successfully invaded and held control for a few hundred years or so. But saying all rulers are Black is just false

[rlsmooth775]

There were Blacks that ruled Egypt for a while. The Nubians successfully invaded and held control for a few hundred years or so. But saying all rulers are Black is just false

No thousands

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No thousands
lol I'm pretty sure the nubian rule of Egypt didn't even last 100 yet a lone a thousand years? I think the Assyrians kicked them out iirc

[rezznor]

did nubians build the pyramids?

[NumberSix]

The ancient Egyptians were Japanese.

[Nowitness]

THE WOATS

Ancient Athens >>>>>> Every other culture to ever exist.

[32jazz]

lol I'm pretty sure the nubian rule of Egypt didn't even last 100 yet a lone a thousand years? I think the Assyrians kicked them out iirc

While you attempt to dismiss Nubian domination of Egypt it must be pointed out that Nubians were 'invited' to Thebes to help rid Eqypt of the 'vile' foreigners called 'Lybians' .

There was an appeal sent out to Kush (King Piye)which Egyptians saw as the their spiritual homeland & birthplace of the God Amun(Gebel Barkal in modern day Sudan).

King Piye responded respectfully & claimed that "Amun(God) in Thebes granted me to be ruler of the Black Lands(Kemet).". Piye envisioned he was on a holy war (had his soldiers purify themselves in the Nile & worship at the temples of Amun) of sorts & the Nubians the rightful heirs & redeemers of Old Egyptian Culture.


Nubian Pharaohs Piye claimed descendancy from the 18th Dynasty & renamed himself Thutmose III(who seems to be Nubian from photos of his mummy/descriptions).

His brother Shabaka recalled the Old Kingdom 6th dynasty & renamed himself Pepi II.


Ancient Egyptians were unable to fend of the Lybians or Assyrians because of changing demographics I presume & looked to their spiritual homeland of Nubia for assistance.


Not saying that all ancient Egyptians were Nubian, but there is small continuum between Nubian & Egypt which was ignored by racist archeologists of the era(first Egytptologists)..

[32jazz]

did nubians build the pyramids?

Not Nubians per se ,but its obvious that Nubians had a heavy presence & that Egyptians were of mixed Nubian descent . They looked to Nubia/Punt as a spiritual homeland & not the Near East or North Africa.

Truth : There are more Pyramids in Ancient Nubia(around 250) than in Ancient Egypt (around 120) although none as large as the ones at Giza.

But the pyramids were certainly not built by Lybians or Asiatics (Arabs/Berbers)either. Matter of fact the Egyptians saved their hardest condemnation for these groups & made sure to distinguish themselves:

..."the vile Asiatic has been fighting since the days of Horus, never conquering nor yet being conquered.....never announces a day for fighting, like an outlaw thief...gang. The Asiastic is a crocodile on the river bank. He snatches the lonely road.....he will never seize a populous city."



It seems that Ancient Egyptians had little use for Ancient Arabs/Berbers who were more a thorn in its side. Its also wrong to see Arabs somehow hijack Ancient Egypt when 'Arab' identity has only recently been thrust upon them by Pan Arab leaders like Nasser. Although the harsh rhetoric of 'vile' & 'wretched' was used for Assyrians, Lybians & Nubians as well you soon hear friendlier references to Kush(Nubia).


After being overwhelmed by the Lybians, Asiatics & threatened by the Assyrians the Egyptians(Thebes) pled for assistance from Nubia.


The Nubians started a renaissance of sorts during the 25th Dynasty & Pharaohs like Piye, Shabaka & especially Taharqa embarked on building /expansion of temples & public works unseen in Egypt for centuries. Trying to revive the old Egypt to its old splendor.

Taharqa built the first Pyramid in Ancient Egypt in over 500 years.

The Assyrians plundered / boasted of 'piles of heads' when they invaded, the Lybians (whom Thebes wanted out of Egypt) & the Asiatics had little to no respect for Egyptian gods or Temples. Unlike the Nubians who themselves as natural heirs to the Egyptian throne & restorers.

[rezznor]

Not Nubians per se ,but its obvious that Nubians had a heavy presence & that Egyptians were of mixed Nubian descent . They looked to Nubia/Punt as a spiritual homeland & not the Near East or North Africa.

Truth : There are more Pyramids in Ancient Nubia(around 250) than in Ancient Egypt (around 120) although none as large as the ones at Giza.

But the pyramids were certainly not built by Lybians or Asiatics (Arabs/Berbers)either. Matter of fact the Egyptians saved their hardest condemnation for these groups & made sure to distinguish themselves:

..."the vile Asiatic has been fighting since the days of Horus, never conquering nor yet being conquered.....never announces a day for fighting, like an outlaw thief...gang. The Asiastic is a crocodile on the river bank. He snatches the lonely road.....he will never seize a populous city."



It seems that Ancient Egyptians had little use for Ancient Arabs/Berbers who were more a thorn in its side. Its also wrong to see Arabs somehow hijack Ancient Egypt when 'Arab' identity has only recently been thrust upon them by Pan Arab leaders like Nasser. Although the harsh rhetoric of 'vile' & 'wretched' was used for Assyrians, Lybians & Nubians as well you soon hear friendlier references to Kush(Nubia).


After being overwhelmed by the Lybians, Asiatics & threatened by the Assyrians the Egyptians(Thebes) pled for assistance from Nubia.


The Nubians started a renaissance of sorts during the 25th Dynasty & Pharaohs like Piye, Shabaka & especially Taharqa embarked on building /expansion of temples & public works unseen in Egypt for centuries. Trying to revive the old Egypt to its old splendor.

Taharqa built the first Pyramid in Ancient Egypt in over 500 years.

The Assyrians plundered / boasted of 'piles of heads' when they invaded, the Lybians (whom Thebes wanted out of Egypt) & the Asiatics had little to no respect for Egyptian gods or Temples. Unlike the Nubians who themselves as natural heirs to the Egyptian throne & restorers.
Nice knowing bomb. Have a green bar.

[32jazz]

There's no evidence or reason to believe ancient Egyptians looked much different than current Egyptians.

It's profoundly racist to state that they must belong to one specific, non-native race.


I find this hard to believe that after invasion & occupation by foreigners like Lybians (& Nubians called on to expel them), Assyrians , Persians, Greeks/Romans after Alexander The Great & then the 'vile' Asiatics(Arabs) that the demographics /appearances of Egyptians have not changed.


Egypt was at a corridor right between the Mediterranean North, Near East & Sub-Sahara Africa. With wandering Asiactic nomads & others attracted to the rich soil/climate & the invasions over Millenia its hard to believe these are the exact same people/appearance.


I am sure Egypt has 'lightened' its complexion somewhat.


Even today Egyptians have varying complexions. .

Hoda Kotb(Egyptian) could pass for African American & no one would pause if she claimed Robin Roberts as a sister.

Although Hoda certainly refuses to identify herself as 'Black' one would think she is by appearance & her struggles with her 'bad hair'(in her own words).

Hoda can run from the term 'Black" , but Mother Africa (her hair) always reminds her of her 'roots'(literally & figuratively).

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While you attempt to dismiss Nubian domination of Egypt it must be pointed out that Nubians were 'invited' to Thebes to help rid Eqypt of the 'vile' foreigners called 'Lybians' .

There was an appeal sent out to Kush (King Piye)which Egyptians saw as the their spiritual homeland & birthplace of the God Amun(Gebel Barkal in modern day Sudan).

King Piye responded respectfully & claimed that "Amun(God) in Thebes granted me to be ruler of the Black Lands(Kemet).". Piye envisioned he was on a holy war (had his soldiers purify themselves in the Nile & worship at the temples of Amun) of sorts & the Nubians the rightful heirs & redeemers of Old Egyptian Culture.


Nubian Pharaohs Piye claimed descendancy from the 18th Dynasty & renamed himself Thutmose III(who seems to be Nubian from photos of his mummy/descriptions).

His brother Shabaka recalled the Old Kingdom 6th dynasty & renamed himself Pepi II.


Ancient Egyptians were unable to fend of the Lybians or Assyrians because of changing demographics I presume & looked to their spiritual homeland of Nubia for assistance.


Not saying that all ancient Egyptians were Nubian, but there is small continuum between Nubian & Egypt which was ignored by racist archeologists of the era(first Egytptologists)..

I'm not dismissing them, I'm dismissing rlsmooth's claim that the reigned for 1000s of years which isn't true. I'm of the belief that Egypt intermingled with the cultures around them which includes the Nubians as you said. My point to rlsmooth isn't that there were no black people in Egypt just that it was a society built on mixed racial lines and wasn't a one race culture like some other ancient civilizations. Do you know how early Egypt started importing nobles for royal marriages too? I was of the belief the bloodlines of their Pharaohs usually included princes/princesses from all over the place which would further intermingle their Pharaohs but they may have only happened later.

[gigantes]

The greatest civilization on earth was created by black africans thousands of years ago.
greatest...? i don't know. there were quite a few spectacular and ancient religions. but i get it--- this is a sports site so it's always got to be about "greatest." whatevs.


black africans...? not sure that's accurate. i thought pre-greek conquest, they were a dusky peoples... perhaps a mix of dark-skinned africans and north african / mediterranean peoples.


anyway, yeah... if your point is to say ancient egypt was amazing, it truly was. :cheers:

[LJJ]

I find this hard to believe that after invasion & occupation by foreigners like Lybians (& Nubians called on to expel them), Assyrians , Persians, Greeks/Romans after Alexander The Great & then the 'vile' Asiatics(Arabs) that the demographics /appearances of Egyptians have not changed.


Egypt was at a corridor right between the Mediterranean North, Near East & Sub-Sahara Africa. With wandering Asiactic nomads & others attracted to the rich soil/climate & the invasions over Millenia its hard to believe these are the exact same people/appearance.


I am sure Egypt has 'lightened' its complexion somewhat.


Even today Egyptians have varying complexions. .

Hoda Kotb(Egyptian) could pass for African American & no one would pause if she claimed Robin Roberts as a sister.

Although Hoda certainly refuses to identify herself as 'Black' one would think she is by appearance & her struggles with her 'bad hair'(in her own words).

Hoda can run from the term 'Black" , but Mother Africa (her hair) always reminds her of her 'roots'(literally & figuratively).

Saying they might have a somewhat lighter complexion these days and saying ancient Egyptian civilisation was definitely sub-Saharan black are two wholly different things.

As you said, today there are plenty of somewhat dark looking people in Egypt. Like in every north African country really, they have a pretty diverse range of skin tones from white European to people who look quite brown.

I think saying that in Ancient egypt there were some darker looking people (though all still quite distinctly Egyptian) and some lighter looking people is pretty much perfectly in line with my original comment.

[32jazz]

Saying they might have a somewhat lighter complexion these days and saying ancient Egyptian civilisation was definitely sub-Saharan black are two wholly different things.

As you said, today there are plenty of somewhat dark looking people in Egypt. Like in every north African country really, they have a pretty diverse range of skin tones from white European to people who look quite brown.

I think saying that in Ancient egypt there were some darker looking people (though all still quite distinctly Egyptian) and some lighter looking people is pretty much perfectly in line with my original comment.


Point well taken.

My issue has been with people who for some reason stand by the theory that demographics don't change all that much. Just going back to The 1st dynasty era or Old Kingdom(about 2700 b.c.) I feel its not beyond belief that demographics have changed in this very high trafficked area-

It seems like Egypt's location was a blessing & a curse


5000 years of conquest & heavy settlement by obvious foreigners like LYbians,Assyrians, Asiatics,Nubians, Persians , Romans/Greeks(Tens of thousand of more Romans move there) & then Arabs . (European powers didn't settle a lot of people during Colonialism).


By the 23rd & 24th Dynasty Egypt was split up & ruled by Lybians whom they could not expel . I believe changing demographics of the area perhaps is a major reason of the demise in Egyptian power.. So much so that they appealed to the stronger Nubians to assist them & restore the God of Amun/Ancient glory.

The Assyrians King who finally pushed the Nubians out claimed: " All Ethiopians , I deported from Egypt". It may just be a boast , but it definitely shows that large numbers of people migrated in & out of Egypt. Demographics certainly can change.


I agree that the Egyptians weren't sub Saharan , but especially not Arab, Lybian,etc.... As well.

[32jazz]

I'm not dismissing them, I'm dismissing rlsmooth's claim that the reigned for 1000s of years which isn't true. I'm of the belief that Egypt intermingled with the cultures around them which includes the Nubians as you said. My point to rlsmooth isn't that there were no black people in Egypt just that it was a society built on mixed racial lines and wasn't a one race culture like some other ancient civilizations. Do you know how early Egypt started importing nobles for royal marriages too? I was of the belief the bloodlines of their Pharaohs usually included princes/princesses from all over the place which would further intermingle their Pharaohs but they may have only happened later.

Well not uninterrupted but I don't discount that some Pharaohs going back over a millennia were of Nubian descent..


Thutmose III(1500 b.c) was claimed by Piye for some reason . It may be to simply give him legitimatcy among Egyptians or some claimed shared heritage.


Pepi II (2500) was also another claimant by the Nubians.


I believe the first European Archaeologist did dismiss Nubia & the "negro element" (one archeologist chided). Some even claimed Nubian could not have possibly been a Black civilization.

It seems Afrocemtrics have overreacted by claiming Egypt totally "Black African" to the European archeologist who brought their racism & anachronistic views of race to Ancient Egypt.


It seems Ancient Egyptians were mostly mixed & less interested in 'race' & more consumed with National /Spiritual / Cultural identity.

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Well not uninterrupted but I don't discount that some Pharaohs going back over a millennia were of Nubian descent..


Thutmose III(1500 b.c) was claimed by Piye for some reason . It may be to simply give him legitimatcy among Egyptians or some claimed shared heritage.


Pepi II (2500) was also another claimant by the Nubians.


I believe the first European Archaeologist did dismiss Nubia & the "negro element" (one archeologist chided). Some even claimed Nubian could not have possibly been a Black civilization.

It seems Afrocemtrics have overreacted by claiming Egypt totally "Black African" to the European archeologist who brought their racism & anachronistic views of race to Ancient Egypt.


It seems Ancient Egyptians were mostly mixed & less interested in 'race' & more consumed with National /Spiritual / Cultural identity.

I agree but Nubian descent is different to being ruled by Nubian as a nation, that's like saying California was under Austrian rule because of Arnie. I think we are both on the same page but talking technicalities here. I agree with you that it is likely it was more of a mix and I think both sides who are claiming they were 100% black or 100% european are wrong and usually track back to biased organisations.

[sick_brah07]

and it all fell apart when the mussi took over lol

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and it all fell apart when the mussi took over lol
The Muslim nations were actually more advanced and reasonable for a large portion of history, in the crusades for example the Christian armies were fanatical and used to rape and burn down cities where as the Muslim armies were more restrained and civilized. The crusaders also bought back a lot of new knowledge from the Muslim's as well.

[sick_brah07]

The Muslim nations were actually more advanced and reasonable for a large portion of history, in the crusades for example the Christian armies were fanatical and used to rape and burn down cities where as the Muslim armies were more restrained and civilized. The crusaders also bought back a lot of new knowledge from the Muslim's as well.


ok im gonna be honest here and say i do not have enough knowledge to comment seriously... I was more so joking. I can see fanatical Christians completely ****ing shit up to

[LJJ]

ok im gonna be honest here and say i do not have enough knowledge to comment seriously... I was more so joking. I can see fanatical Christians completely ****ing shit up to

Yeah, ancient Egypt as a distinctive civilisation went to shit long before Christianity was even a thing, much less Islam. Shows what you know I guess.

[sick_brah07]

Yeah, ancient Egypt as a distinctive civilisation went to shit long before Christianity was even a thing, much less Islam. Shows what you know I guess.


thanks champ,

hope your still rocking that backstreet boys haircut of yours

[Pointguard]

Point well taken.

My issue has been with people who for some reason stand by the theory that demographics don't change all that much. Just going back to The 1st dynasty era or Old Kingdom(about 2700 b.c.) I feel its not beyond belief that demographics have changed in this very high trafficked area-

It seems like Egypt's location was a blessing & a curse


5000 years of conquest & heavy settlement by obvious foreigners like LYbians,Assyrians, Asiatics,Nubians, Persians , Romans/Greeks(Tens of thousand of more Romans move there) & then Arabs . (European powers didn't settle a lot of people during Colonialism).


By the 23rd & 24th Dynasty Egypt was split up & ruled by Lybians whom they could not expel . I believe changing demographics of the area perhaps is a major reason of the demise in Egyptian power.. So much so that they appealed to the stronger Nubians to assist them & restore the God of Amun/Ancient glory.

The Assyrians King who finally pushed the Nubians out claimed: " All Ethiopians , I deported from Egypt". It may just be a boast , but it definitely shows that large numbers of people migrated in & out of Egypt. Demographics certainly can change.


I agree that the Egyptians weren't sub Saharan , but especially not Arab, Lybian,etc.... As well.
Great stuff throughout.

All homo sapiens come out of sub Saharan Africa. Its one of the few times the best scientist, anthropologist and geneticist are in accord above 80%. Obviously that's a long time before Egypt which was indeed a mixture of people. But few people talk about the strongest influence on Egypt, or as you say earlier about Nubia being the spiritual father and cultural mother: And spirituality was the genesis behind all of their work. Culturally ancient Egypitans weren't similar at all to the Indo or European neighbors. Today they find tribes living in the Hills of Mali called the Dogon people with similar creation stories and worship the same stars as the ancient Egyptians did - and they have been out of contact with outsiders for a many hundreds of years. And they claim their ancestors came from the East.

Ancient Egyptian theology is very centered on ancestral homage which is consistent with how the whole African continent approaches religion for thousands of years. And no other major world religion pays it much mind. And there is plenty of language, once again you already said this, that talks of the Berbers/Ancient Arabs/Asiatics as outsiders, different and aggressive in nature. Don't sound anything like the peaceful stargazers that were building the pyramids. Race was not a science or something to stop others from camping together. Conquest and taking over other people was not an African thing until outsiders heavily influenced madness like the Hutus vs Tutsis, Islamic and Christian invasions.

[NumberSix]

Well not uninterrupted but I don't discount that some Pharaohs going back over a millennia were of Nubian descent..


Thutmose III(1500 b.c) was claimed by Piye for some reason . It may be to simply give him legitimatcy among Egyptians or some claimed shared heritage.


Pepi II (2500) was also another claimant by the Nubians.


I believe the first European Archaeologist did dismiss Nubia & the "negro element" (one archeologist chided). Some even claimed Nubian could not have possibly been a Black civilization.

It seems Afrocemtrics have overreacted by claiming Egypt totally "Black African" to the European archeologist who brought their racism & anachronistic views of race to Ancient Egypt.


It seems Ancient Egyptians were mostly mixed & less interested in 'race' & more consumed with National /Spiritual / Cultural identity.
Do you honestly believe that thousands of years ago tribalism somehow just didn't exist in this one particular place?

Humans see race very loud and clear. We just do. To suggest that an instinct (in group/out group) that applies to all living species somehow wasn't in these particular humans is just not realistic.

[Pointguard]

Do you honestly believe that thousands of years ago tribalism somehow just didn't exist in this one particular place?

Humans see race very loud and clear. We just do. To suggest that an instinct (in group/out group) that applies to all living species somehow wasn't in these particular humans is just not realistic.
It's a recent phenomena of exploitation taught fear and hate, backed up by a science of the day. For thousands of years there were several different humanoids living in the same vicinity in Africa. Sure they were clannish or else one would have died out quicker. Watusi lived next to Pygmies for maybe 10,000 plus years and there is no bigger difference in humans then these two. I'm sure resources ran low a couple of thousand times and they never encroached upon each other.

Racism brings out the worst in people because hate, guilt, insecurities, ego, destruction of brotherhood all blend together to ensure the madness of exploiting another human. Egyptians were ripe for evasions because they were about peace/humanity.

[NumberSix]

It's a recent phenomena of exploitation taught fear and hate, backed up by a science of the day. For thousands of years there were several different humanoids living in the same vicinity in Africa. Sure they were clannish or else one would have died out quicker. Watusi lived next to Pygmies for maybe 10,000 plus years and there is no bigger difference in humans then these two. I'm sure resources ran low a couple of thousand times and they never encroached upon each other.

Racism brings out the worst in people because hate, guilt, insecurities, ego, destruction of brotherhood all blend together to ensure the madness of exploiting another human. Egyptians were ripe for evasions because they were about peace/humanity.
Don't be ridiculous. Ancient egyptian art is rife with dipictions of the pharoahs military conquests, capturing of slaves and egyptian superiority over other peoples. They were no more about peace/humanity than the Romans or Persians were. The weren't as expansionist, but let's not be completely absurd here.

[Pointguard]

Don't be ridiculous. Ancient egyptian art is rife with dipictions of the pharoahs military conquests, capturing of slaves and egyptian superiority over other peoples. They were no more about peace/humanity than the Romans or Persians were. The weren't as expansionist, but let's not be completely absurd here.
So on one side we have Egypt which obviously tolerated people from all over and they could hold positions of wealth status and trade freely in their society, this after Egypt having two thousand years of technological superiority on the world vs Rome which after about 300 years of recognizing itself go off on crazy military campaigns to rape, pillage and sought to commit genocide on the Cathraginians. Immediately used their technology for beheading machines and killing sports all for public display and entertainment.

Egyptians recorded everything, like who got drunk and who was cheating but were nothing like the Romans. The Pharaohs inter-married aggressive groups to keep the peace. Those wasn't military conquest but most of their battles were civil wars or efforts to control/contain invaders like the Hitites invaders from the North who could be later day Romans. All of Egypts technology went into its value system for two thousand years and they lost a war to a young nation of Hitites because they put their technology immediately into weapons.

Most of the Egyptian Gods/Dieties had aggressive and foul dispositions when the Romans and Persians converted them into their culture. And that is reflection of something.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Not Nubians per se ,but its obvious that Nubians had a heavy presence & that Egyptians were of mixed Nubian descent . They looked to Nubia/Punt as a spiritual homeland & not the Near East or North Africa.

Truth : There are more Pyramids in Ancient Nubia(around 250) than in Ancient Egypt (around 120) although none as large as the ones at Giza.

But the pyramids were certainly not built by Lybians or Asiatics (Arabs/Berbers)either. Matter of fact the Egyptians saved their hardest condemnation for these groups & made sure to distinguish themselves:

..."the vile Asiatic has been fighting since the days of Horus, never conquering nor yet being conquered.....never announces a day for fighting, like an outlaw thief...gang. The Asiastic is a crocodile on the river bank. He snatches the lonely road.....he will never seize a populous city."



It seems that Ancient Egyptians had little use for Ancient Arabs/Berbers who were more a thorn in its side. Its also wrong to see Arabs somehow hijack Ancient Egypt when 'Arab' identity has only recently been thrust upon them by Pan Arab leaders like Nasser. Although the harsh rhetoric of 'vile' & 'wretched' was used for Assyrians, Lybians & Nubians as well you soon hear friendlier references to Kush(Nubia).


After being overwhelmed by the Lybians, Asiatics & threatened by the Assyrians the Egyptians(Thebes) pled for assistance from Nubia.


The Nubians started a renaissance of sorts during the 25th Dynasty & Pharaohs like Piye, Shabaka & especially Taharqa embarked on building /expansion of temples & public works unseen in Egypt for centuries. Trying to revive the old Egypt to its old splendor.

Taharqa built the first Pyramid in Ancient Egypt in over 500 years.

The Assyrians plundered / boasted of 'piles of heads' when they invaded, the Lybians (whom Thebes wanted out of Egypt) & the Asiatics had little to no respect for Egyptian gods or Temples. Unlike the Nubians who themselves as natural heirs to the Egyptian throne & restorers.

asiatic is not what you think it means.

it refers to something enteirely different.

i'll let you search for it when you're worthy.

[Akrazotile]

It seems Ancient Egyptians were mostly mixed & less interested in 'race' & more consumed with National /Spiritual / Cultural identity.


This has historically been the way the middle east has always been. Skin color and racial features are so varied there anyway, the important thing has always been about which empire or religion did you belong to.

[32jazz]

Do you honestly believe that thousands of years ago tribalism somehow just didn't exist in this one particular place?

Humans see race very loud and clear. We just do. To suggest that an instinct (in group/out group) that applies to all living species somehow wasn't in these particular humans is just not realistic.

Where the hell did I say 'tribalism' didn't exist knucklehead? I said the exact opposite & pointed out Egyptian Xenophobia based mostly upon Language , Culture, /Religion .


English & the French hated one another & it manifested itself into some vicious wars ,but not because of some supposed 'racial' superiority (I don't think the French/ English saw much racial difference). Cultural differences were more important to some than supposed 'racial' & it appears to be that way with Egyptians since they rarely speak of 'race'. That's part of the problem modern people have with projecting their ideas about race upon Egyptians.


There is nothing I've read where Egyptians claim 'racial superiority' over their neighbors & rarely make references to race (although I am aware that they see physical differences, but they saw other more important differences besides race
)

Medjay Nubians were protectors of the Royal palace , Pharaoh, royal tombs & paramilitary police force of sorts going back to the old kingdom . You don't conscript inferior peoples with the protection of your Kingdom & go to battle side by side with them.


Egyptians did make it clear they were a distinct people (not Lybian/Asiatic/Nubian) from their drawings/writings. Especially Lybians/Asiactics but in some instances only style of dress make the clear distinction between Nubians/Egyptians.


European archaeologist brought their modern brand of racism to Egyptology when Egyptians make no reference to 'race' & foreigners were considered Egyptian according to other things (language/religion/dress,et ..) than race.

[32jazz]

So on one side we have Egypt which obviously tolerated people from all over and they could hold positions of wealth status and trade freely in their society, this after Egypt having two thousand years of technological superiority on the world vs Rome which after about 300 years of recognizing itself go off on crazy military campaigns to rape, pillage and sought to commit genocide on the Cathraginians. Immediately used their technology for beheading machines and killing sports all for public display and entertainment.

Egyptians recorded everything, like who got drunk and who was cheating but were nothing like the Romans. The Pharaohs inter-married aggressive groups to keep the peace. Those wasn't military conquest but most of their battles were civil wars or efforts to control/contain invaders like the Hitites invaders from the North who could be later day Romans.


I agree that the Egyptians recorded everything & despite that they make little to no effort carrying on about the supposed racial inferiority of others(cultural/religious/language based Xenophobia ,but not race).


Many of the Pharaohs liked to boast of their military prowess & like all societies exaggerated their victories & downplayed their defeats/compromises.

But nowhere are the Egyptians as destructive as the Assyrians who boasted of & 'piling up heads' & made it a point of totally destroying their enemies(burning temples,religious symbols,etc..).


The Egyptians dreaded/feared the rising Assyrians due to this & appealed to the Nubians to expel the Lybians & assist them with fending off the Assyrians & restoring Egyptian religion/culture(which they did for a short period).

Egyptians didn't seem to care about the Nubians race ,but appealed to them assist them because of a similar culture going back millenia.

[Pointguard]

Many of the Pharaohs liked to boast of their military prowess & like all societies exaggerated their victories & downplayed their defeats/compromises.

Yeah, in 2000 years you are going to find some leaders who assert their ego. Especially when under siege that entire time because you sport super technology but don't really fight that well. The reason I talked about their detailed recording was to highlight that they weren't into racism and that they weren't into violence, comparative to their interest in art, divine influence, spirituality, astronomy, sacred geometry, harmonies, music, nature and energies, all of which overwhelm you when you see their art and hear their stories.


But nowhere are the Egyptians as destructive as the Assyrians who boasted of & 'piling up heads' & made it a point of totally destroying their enemies(burning temples,religious symbols,etc..).

The Egyptians dreaded/feared the rising Assyrians due to this & appealed to the Nubians to expel the Lybians & assist them with fending off the Assyrians & restoring Egyptian religion/culture(which they did for a short period).

Egyptians didn't seem to care about the Nubians race ,but appealed to them assist them because of a similar culture going back millenia.
Yes, they seemed to have only one allegiance in cultural matters/continuity and it was Nubia, and to the south.

[32jazz]

Yeah, in 2000 years you are going to find some leaders who assert their ego. Especially when under siege that entire time because you sport super technology but don't really fight that well. The reason I talked about their detailed recording was to highlight that they weren't into racism and that they weren't into violence, comparative to their interest in art, divine influence, spirituality, astronomy, sacred geometry, harmonies, music, nature and energies, all of which overwhelm you when you see their art and hear their stories.

Yes, they seemed to have only one allegiance in cultural matters/continuity and it was Nubia, and to the south.


Good points.

My point was ancient Egypt was not obssessed with race or nothing in their writings suggest otherwise. Had Egyptians been obssessed with race this whole controversy about their 'race' would be a non issue as they would have answered it for us.



Egyptians were more concerned with protecting their Identity as Egyptians, their religion(spirituality), etc.....More inward looking than out.

Proof of the Nubian connection is that they appealed to the Nubians to expel the Lybians, repel the Assyrians & restore the Religion's/culture of Old Egypt.


Piye had no doubts that he (as a Nubian) was a rightful heir to the Egyptian throne & not some interloper (Claimed he was sent by Amun on a holy war of sorts) . Unlike the Lybians or especially Assyrians the Nubians did not destroy a single Temple or building but instead treated them with the utmost respect. Even went on a building renaissance.

[Pointguard]

Good points.

My point was ancient Egypt was not obssessed with race or nothing in their writings suggest otherwise. Had Egyptians been obssessed with race this whole controversy about their 'race' would be a non issue as they would have answered it for us.

Egyptians were more concerned with protecting their Identity as Egyptians, their religion(spirituality), etc.....More inward looking than out.

Proof of the Nubian connection is that they appealed to the Nubians to expel the Lybians, repel the Assyrians & restore the Religion's/culture of Old Egypt.

Piye had no doubts that he (as a Nubian) was a rightful heir to the Egyptian throne & not some interloper (Claimed he was sent by Amun on a holy war of sorts) . Unlike the Lybians or especially Assyrians the Nubians did not destroy a single Temple or building but instead treated them with the utmost respect. Even went on a building renaissance.
Is Piye also known as Piahki??? I think he would later unite upper and lower Egypt? Yes, unlike other invader takeovers he didn't destroy what was foreign to him. Or more likely people hate what they don't understand. But Pianki was similarly rooting in the same spirituality so he wasn't destructive. They had their own Pyramid thing going on in Kush.

[BasedTom]

Why do black americans get so angry when white south africans in the US are referred to as african americans? They are more African than most who use that word, since their ancestors have actually lived in Africa within the last 300 years

[NumberSix]

Why do black americans get so angry when white south africans in the US are referred to as african americans? They are more African than most who use that word, since their ancestors have actually lived in Africa within the last 300 years
Do they? :confusedshrug:

#strawman

[MavsSuperFan]

No Egyptians were black this is a fact.
what evidence is there that ancient egyptians were black?
if they were black how come there is no evidence that they got genocided or something that caused them to be displaced by current day Arabs?

Groups of people do get replaced throughout human history from time to time.
Eg. Native americans by white europeans, but there is usually a lot of evidence

Eg. Dzungar genocide

[QUOTE]The Dzungar genocide (Chinese: 准噶尔灭族; pinyin: Zhǔng

[TheMan]

:lol another dumb afrocentrist thread .. always good for a laugh


https://dhcfellows2012ucla.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/dsc_0096-02.jpg

the U.S. is obviously a black nation run by blacks
Holy shit, that looks nothing like Magic ad the artist went overboard with the muscles :oldlol:

[Pointguard]

Why do black americans get so angry when white south africans in the US are referred to as african americans? They are more African than most who use that word, since their ancestors have actually lived in Africa within the last 300 years
Wouldn't they be referred to as Afrikan American or Boer American or Dutch American? They never called themselves Africans. The East Indian South Africans had this issue with Black Americans, and they too were oppressed by the Boers, as well. I can't say I know of people who would deny the label of people who sincerely believe they are both African and American. Even first generation African's are distinctly different culturally than African American's but will share some of the experiences right away. Brazilian African Americans have very similar experiences but are very different culturally. They make up the majority of African Americans. African American is a very broad term. Black American would be much more exact for culture of third or fourth generation Black Americans in the US.

[rlsmooth775]

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/True_Negros/Amenhotep_III.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Egypt/Amenhotep_III.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

Princess Kemsit

http://karenhalliburton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kemsit.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/engrade-myfiles/4054788856220844/Senusret_I_a.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

http://i-cias.com/e.o/ill/sesostris1_01.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

Amenemhet

http://euler.slu.edu/~bart/egyptianhtml/kings%20and%20Queens/Amenemhet-I-metmus-close.jpg

[rlsmooth775]

mentuhotep ii

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/MentuhotepII-FuneraryStatue-CloseUp_MetropolitanMuseum_c.jpg/180px-MentuhotepII-FuneraryStatue-CloseUp_MetropolitanMuseum_c.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2057/2504638383_502227a059.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1TVC2CcsiL6u3wAuPcL36HqZYhQ_3-TBS1vMisDpsLDSYbIv-

[32jazz]

Is Piye also known as Piahki??? I think he would later unite upper and lower Egypt? Yes, unlike other invader takeovers he didn't destroy what was foreign to him. Or more likely people hate what they don't understand. But Pianki was similarly rooting in the same spirituality so he wasn't destructive. They had their own Pyramid thing going on in Kush.

Actually there were more pyramids built in Kush(Sudan) than Egypt ,but not on the scale of the Great pyramid.

Piankhi is another name for Piye & he fellt that he was on a holy war of sorts to restore old Egyptian religious /cultural traditions. The Nubians felt that they were rightful heirs to the throne of Egypt & Egyptians appealed to them to kick out the Lybians & protect them form the growing Assyrians.


Oddly Piye did consolidate Egypt once again (much of it through peaceful submission) , but immediately left Egypt for Kush & never returned.

It was his son Taharqa who moved to Egypt & began the renaissance by with some of the largest restoration/building of Temples, Public works projects & built some of the 1st pyramids in over 500 years .


Internet rumors are that Will Smith is supposed to plortray the Great Taharqa in a feature film(rumors only I have read).

[32jazz]

This has historically been the way the middle east has always been. Skin color and racial features are so varied there anyway, the important thing has always been about which empire or religion did you belong to.


Maiherpi , an important official who is buried in the Valley of the Kings is a good example of modern race bias.

Because Maiherpi is depicted with very dark skin instead of dark brown hue of the 'Egyptians" & also seems to have woolly braided hair he is/was called "Nubian".

But it wasn't his real hair they eventually found out & only woolly braided wigs like many other Egyptian mummies.


Nowhere does the ancient Egyptian writings or tomb descriptions refer to Maiherpi as a "Nubian". He is Egyptian.


Only modern European archeologist with their modern views of race call Maiherpi Nubian. If 'race' were as important to Egyptians as it was to a modern Western world we would have been made aware of this.



Its

[32jazz]

what evidence is there that ancient egyptians were black?
if they were black how come there is no evidence that they got genocided or something that caused them to be displaced by current day Arabs?

Groups of people do get replaced throughout human history from time to time.
Eg. Native americans by white europeans, but there is usually a lot of evidence

Eg. Dzungar genocide






How come there is no evidence that black egyptians were displaced by arabs if they used to control egypt?


The Assyrian King Esarhaddon after conquering the 25th Dynasty of Nubia:

"All Ethiopians I deported from Egypt-leaving not even one to do homage to me.". -Esarhaddon


Sounds like the Assyrians (none for their brutal tactics) set out on a mass deportation of the very darkest skinned people & it surely happened (mass fleeing/deportations) during the many wars/unrest/natural disasters,etc..

Beforehand the Egyptians appealed to the Nubians to repel the Lybians who had already dominated Egypt & certainly changed the demographics. Changed so much so that they were incompetent at defending themselves any longer & looked to culture closest to them(Nubians) & the Egyptian spiritual homeland for salvation/restoration.


The Lybians , Berbers & others had already overwhelmed Egypt at such a busy crossroad. After the Assyrians the Persians came, then the Romans/Greeks(maybe hundreds of thousands) & finally the Arabs.


Unimaginable to believe the ancient Egyptians complexion /demographic hasn't changed after so much mass immigration/integration.

[Lebron23]

Only the 25th dynasty. And they ruled for only a hundred of years.

[tpols]

1) they weren't black.

2) Greece shit on them.

[Long Duck Dong]

King tuts grandmother http://media.tumblr.com/f4fde8ebcffc195f68a1186589f78fc1/tumblr_inline_mwf0djsus91qizi9m.jpg

Her actual mummy.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/3c/66/b83c66ca39d840aa7410366876a1577b.gif


https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/mummy-of-Queen-Tiye.jpg


I know...I know. RACIST!!!

[Pointguard]

The better Egyptian threads were when Dresta and I would have it out. I was amused, that in general, you guys have him as the most scholarly on here. Well, I do admit he could really do an essay.

[ArbitraryWater]

The better Egyptian threads were when Dresta and I would have it out. I was amused, that in general, you guys have him as the most scholarly on here. Well, I do admit he could really do an essay.


Dresta, NumberSix, BasedTom, starface, JEFFERSON MONEY, Pointguard, DonDadda taking over historical/racial/social/cultural matters on ISH...

peak times.


Btw I ask, who does rlsmooth remind you of in this thread? :lol

[Lebron23]

Only the 25th Dynasty were of African Descent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Dynasty_of_Egypt

[TheMan]

Only the 25th Dynasty were of African Descent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Dynasty_of_Egypt

Egyptians are African :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

Egyptians are African :facepalm

well, no. not african-african. not black.