How Crazy Am I to Think I Actually Know Where That Malaysia Airlines Plane Is?

[KevinNYC]

How Crazy Am I to Think I Actually Know Where That Malaysia Airlines Plane Is? (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/jeff-wise-mh370-theory.html)

[KyrieTheFuture]

Crazy. You are crazy to think you know anything about it.

[Fudge]

Anybody want to sum this article up in a few sentences? Not interested in reading all of that shit atm.

[Raymone]

Rambo told me it was used by the time traveling Jews for 9/11.

[gigantes]

wow, what a mother of an article.

if he could put it all together in a "how it all ends"-style video (like greg craven), that would probably have a much better chance of getting recruits. at least at the layman's level. but that's commonly how opinion flows in to political belief, so...

[KevinNYC]

wow, what a mother of an article.

if he could put it all together in a "how it all ends"-style video (like greg craven), that would probably have a much better chance of getting recruits. at least at the layman's level. but that's commonly how opinion flows in to political belief, so...
he's selling the expanded version on kindle.

[gigantes]

momentum?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/one-cnns-aviation-experts-thinks-201200070.html

[Patrick Chewing]

Abridged version please.

[tgan3]

It probably was hijacked by terrorists and landed somewhere

[iamgine]

It's lost inside all those words...

[I<3NBA]

cliffnotes:

writer thinks the plane went north around the area of Kazakhstan and that Russia somehow has something to do with the disappearance. cites 2 Ukrainian and 1 Russian passport holders who were passengers on the plane and posts pictures of them. says they look like thugs Liam Neeson would tangle with.

[KevinNYC]

cliffnotes:

writer thinks the plane went north around the area of Kazakhstan and that Russia somehow has something to do with the disappearance. cites 2 Ukrainian and 1 Russian passport holders who were passengers on the plane and posts pictures of them. says they look like thugs Liam Neeson would tangle with.They also had seats right next to the place to the electronics cabinet where you would turn off the transponders. In fact, he says the satellite data was turned off and then came back three minutes later and could have been rigged to give out fake data which would send searchers to the completely wrong area.

The area in Kazakhstan he chose as the landing site? It's the Baikonur Cosmodrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikonur_Cosmodrome).
Both Vostok 1, the first manned spacecraft in human history, and before it, Sputnik 1, the world's first orbital spaceflight of any sort, were launched from one of Baikonur's launch pads, which is now known as Gagarin's Start, named after Yuri Gagarin.

[nathanjizzle]

magnetic discombobulation is what happened to the plane.

[magic chiongson]

it's in ukraine, putin shot it down with a crossbow

[rufuspaul]

cliffnotes:

writer thinks the plane went north around the area of Kazakhstan and that Russia somehow has something to do with the disappearance. cites 2 Ukrainian and 1 Russian passport holders who were passengers on the plane and posts pictures of them. says they look like thugs Liam Neeson would tangle with.


And not one passenger thought to call anyone. Yeah I believe that.

[KevinNYC]

And not one passenger thought to call anyone. Yeah I believe that.Cell phones? Would those work over the open ocean?
I think if the plane is past a certain altitude cell phones don't work.

[Derka]

The Island has that plane now.

[alenleomessi]

they. are. somewhere. chillin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq4Dsv7EdyQ

[gigantes]

cliffnotes:

writer thinks the plane went north around the area of Kazakhstan and that Russia somehow has something to do with the disappearance. cites 2 Ukrainian and 1 Russian passport holders who were passengers on the plane and posts pictures of them. says they look like thugs Liam Neeson would tangle with.
a huge part of the article also dealt with the ins and outs of how news is massaged, delivered and curated.

also a commentary about how flexible and open ppl's minds are, including so-called experts, in the face of intriguing but complicated information.

it was like three pretty badass articles in one. i could only skim it before head asplode.

[theaussieguy]

very captivating read

[KevinNYC]

a huge part of the article also dealt with the ins and outs of how news is massaged, delivered and curated.

also a commentary about how flexible and open ppl's minds are, including so-called experts, in the face of intriguing but complicated information.

it was like three pretty badass articles in one. i could only skim it before head asplode.

The author is quite conscious that his theory could be very satisfying and completely wrong.

Also apparently after the story dropped out of the news, there has been on ongoing debate about the accuracy of the satellite data. They now believe the plane turned south earlier than they thought. An internet sleuth also found that the satellite company had the location of a ground station in Austraia incorrect.

[rufuspaul]

I think if the plane is past a certain altitude cell phones don't work.


Wrong



http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=173057

[KevinNYC]

Wrong

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=173057

Do you have anything more definitive than a Google Answer?

These news sources all seem to indicate once a plane is high enough, it's pretty much a fluke if you make phone calls. Also the plane was over water when something first happened. They did search cell phone records to see if they could find out where the plane last was before they lost contact, but they didn't find anything useful. Some planes these days have mobile cell phone tower called a picocell that allows in flight calls, but that's different.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/tech/mobile/phones-in-flight/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/questions-over-absence-of-cellphone-calls-from-missing-passengers.html

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/could-mobile-phone-tracking-help-find-missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370/story-fn6vihic-1226856877396

http://www2.nst.com.my/business/latest/triangulation-using-cell-phones-fails-1.520250

Here's an anecdote I found on the straight dope boards that explains the reasons.

Cell phone tower antennas are directional. Once you get high enough the antennas start to get blind towards you, but it's not an instant change. Cell phones will work fairly reliable up to about 5,000 feet. Between 5,000 and 10,000 feet the signal drops off fairly quickly, and it's pure luck if you can manage to get a cell phone to connect above 10,000 feet.
You basically would need a cell phone with a lot of power and a cell phone tower running a lot of power, and not many other calls for this to work. The technology would allow it, but usually not in practice, as the towers don't usually use that much power as it increases the noise floor of the signal. A Cell tower is not a 50,000 watt radio atenna. See quote below. Speed of the aircraft comes into play as well, because you only have a very short time to be in contact with the airplane. Also the way they develop cell towers these days, they are very directional and pointed towards the ground. They don't want to waste radiation going up to the sky.


Lam Wong-hing, a wireless communications specialist at the University of Hong Kong, said that cellphones transmit at one watt or less, while base stations typically transmit at 20 watts and sometimes much more. So even if a cellphone showed that it was receiving a signal while aloft, it might not be able to transmit a signal that was strong enough to make a connection, he said.

The metal in an aircraft reduces cellphone signals somewhat. If a passenger had pressed a cellphone against a plastic window with a line of sight to a cellphone tower then it is possible a connection might have been made even at a fairly high altitude, because plastic barely blocks a cellphone signal at all, Dr. Lam said.

[rufuspaul]

Do you have anything more definitive than a Google Answer?

These news sources all seem to indicate once a plane is high enough, it's pretty much a fluke if you make phone calls. Also the plane was over water when something first happened. They did search cell phone records to see if they could find out where the plane last was before they lost contact, but they didn't find anything useful. Some planes these days have mobile cell phone tower called a picocell that allows in flight calls, but that's different.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/tech/mobile/phones-in-flight/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/questions-over-absence-of-cellphone-calls-from-missing-passengers.html

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/could-mobile-phone-tracking-help-find-missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370/story-fn6vihic-1226856877396

http://www2.nst.com.my/business/latest/triangulation-using-cell-phones-fails-1.520250

Here's an anecdote I found on the straight dope boards that explains the reasons.

You basically would need a cell phone with a lot of power and a cell phone tower running a lot of power, and not many other calls for this to work. The technology would allow it, but usually not in practice, as the towers don't usually use that much power as it increases the noise floor of the signal. A Cell tower is not a 50,000 watt radio atenna. See quote below. Speed of the aircraft comes into play as well, because you only have a very short time to be in contact with the airplane. Also the way they develop cell towers these days, they are very directional and pointed towards the ground. They don't want to waste radiation going up to the sky.


The plane had to land right? How come no one called? Were they all killed before then? Plus, the 9/11 hostages had no problem making cell phone calls from high altitudes, and that was 14 years ago.

[KevinNYC]

The plane had to land right? How come no one called? Were they all killed before then? Plus, the 9/11 hostages had no problem making cell phone calls from high altitudes, and that was 14 years ago.

actually I think the calls that were made by cellphones as opposed to airfones were below 5,000 feet.

[rufuspaul]

actually I think the calls that were made by cellphones as opposed to airfones were below 5,000 feet.


So the Malaysian Airlines hijackers must have killed all the passengers before descending.

[KevinNYC]

So the Malaysian Airlines hijackers must have killed all the passengers before descending. or separated them from their cellphones. My take is the this guy's theory is loopy, but lack of calls isn't what disproves it.

[blablabla]

great read but what exactly would be the purpose would an international government have from carrying out such a risky highjacking ? i read the article when you originally posted it so my memory is a bit blurry but did he mention that it could have been a distraction for the world media because of ukraine or do i have the timelines messed up, also the other Malaysian airplane being shot down near the conflict area is definitely weird

and how likely do you guys think the other theory is where the plane was shoot down by the americans ?

[KevinNYC]

great read but what exactly would be the purpose would an international government have from carrying out such a risky highjacking ? i read the article when you originally posted it so my memory is a bit blurry but did he mention that it could have been a distraction for the world media because of ukraine or do i have the timelines messed up, also the other Malaysian airplane being shot down near the conflict area is definitely weird

and how likely do you guys think the other theory is where the plane was shoot down by the americans ?

He said he was unsure why it happened.