Wait, so King LeBron destroyed 3 MVP level players 4-1 in 2012 Finals???

[AintNoSunshine]

How can someone possibly be this good?:wtf:

[deja vu]

Harden wasn't MVP level yet in 2012.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Harden wasn't MVP level yet in 2012.
he was...he was just a 3rd option. give him more touches and his own team = 25/5/5

[VengefulAngel]

This is trolling, but it really puts into perspective how stacked OKC could have been.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Harden is a choker.

[Sarcastic]

Jordan beating Ewing, Barkley, Isiah, and Magic in the 1991 playoffs >>>

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yep. Destroying 3 MVP caliber players is equal to winning 3 rings in most peoples eyes. LeBron also beat a team that had 2 FMVPs in 2013, as well as another player who would become FMVP in 2014, so 3 FMVPs total in 2013. Those count for 3 rings too. He clearly has 6 rings in any sane person's eyes

[oh the horror]

So now we are discussion who people are going to be in the future when facing Lebron?


This is getting desperate.

[I<3NBA]

i mourn for the possibilities of that OKC team

KD, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, Jeff Green...

Scot Brooks, why? why do you have to be an idiot?

[ImKobe]

Let's not forget the end of Game 2, where refs don't call a blatant foul by Lebron on Durant at the end....

or Game 4, where Russ gives the game away by fouling with 11 secs left in the game but 5 secs on the shot clock (jump ball)

and let's not forget how Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Norris Cole and Chalmers all showed up in different games by hitting a ton of 3s..

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Let's not forget the end of Game 2, where refs don't call a blatant foul by Lebron on Durant at the end....

or Game 4, where Russ gives the game away by fouling with 11 secs left in the game but 5 secs on the shot clock (jump ball)

and let's not forget how Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Norris Cole and Chalmers all showed up in different games by hitting a ton of 3s..
let's also not forget that our King averaged 29/10/7.

[imdaman99]

No, Lebron was too busy hiding on Kendrick Perkins on defense :bowdown:

He did destroy Scott Brooks though :applause:

[SouBeachTalents]

Dirk beat those 3, Kobe, LeBron and Wade in 2011 12-3

[RoundMoundOfReb]

No, Lebron was too busy hiding on Kendrick Perkins on defense :bowdown:

He did destroy Scott Brooks though :applause:

Meanwhile Durant was attempting to guard mario chalmers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho

[JerrySeinfeld]

No, Lebron was too busy hiding on Kendrick Perkins on defense :bowdown:

He did destroy Scott Brooks though :applause:

haha I remember that, after OKC came back and won in game one the media was going in on LeBron for hiding on Perkins on D. He did it the rest of the series and got away with it though.

[ImKobe]

let's also not forget that our King averaged 29/10/7.

KD averaged more ppg on higher FG%, not his fault Harden went Casper and that Russ played badly and gave a game away in his best Finals game...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

KD averaged more ppg on higher FG%, not his fault Harden went Casper and that Russ played badly and gave a game away in his best Finals game...
KD = elite scoring, terrible rebounding, terrible playmaking, high turnovers, poor defense.

[J Shuttlesworth]

KD averaged more ppg on higher FG%, not his fault Harden went Casper and that Russ played badly and gave a game away in his best Finals game...
KD that series was the exact definition of empty stats

[JerrySeinfeld]

KD that series was the exact definition of empty stats

Didn't a lot of his points come in the 4th quarter?

[oh the horror]

KD = elite scoring, terrible rebounding, terrible playmaking, high turnovers, poor defense.



Have you seen Bron's turnovers recently?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Have you seen Bron's turnovers recently?
yes....but LeBron is his team's primary ball handler/passer Kd wasn't in 2012

[J Shuttlesworth]

Didn't a lot of his points come in the 4th quarter?
4 pts game 3
6 pts game 4

He did have 16 in the 4th of game 2, but wasn't able to seal the victory. Game 5, he had 12 in the 4th but the game was over anyway.

[coin24]

Wait, so king LeBald got outplayed by Jason terry, corpse jason Kidd, and kawhi Leonard in the finals?

Wow, talk about LeShrivelling on the big stage:lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Wait, so king LeBald got outplayed by Jason terry, corpse jason Kidd, and kawhi Leonard in the finals?

Wow, talk about LeShrivelling on the big stage:lol

Just like Kobe got outplayed by the likes of Jalen Rose, Richard Hamilton, and Chauncey Billups in the Finals

[Fudge]

Destroyed? :lol KD and LeBron were a wash in that series. Swayed in favor of Miami because of the refs, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, and Mario Chalmer. Dudes lit up OKC's supporting cast. That be how it is.

[ImKobe]

KD that series was the exact definition of empty stats

a combined 35 points in the 4th quarter in games 1 & 2 (17 I think in Game 1)

he won them Game 1 and should have won Game 2 and then all bets are off as Miami has to win a game @ OKC

this series was closer than a lot of people care to admit, but the stupid 3 straight home games + the refs ended up making it easy for Miami. Plus, OKC lost 3 games that were decided by 6 or less points, meaning a couple plays here & there (a teammate plays to his averages *cough* Harden *cough*) and it's a different story.

KD didn't have one bad shooting game and averaged 31/6/2 on 55/39/84 shooting...

Bran simply had a lot more help. Russ and Harden show up and OKC wins that series.

[J Shuttlesworth]

a combined 35 points in the 4th quarter in games 1 & 2 (17 I think in Game 1)

he won them Game 1 and should have won Game 2 and then all bets are off as Miami has to win a game @ OKC

this series was closer than a lot of people care to admit, but the stupid 3 straight home games + the refs ended up making it easy for Miami.

KD didn't have one bad shooting game and averaged 31/6/2 on 55/39/84 shooting...

Bran simply had a lot more help. Russ and Harden show up and OKC wins that series.

Maybe Durant should have found ways to make his teammates better.

LeBron simply had more impact on the whole game than Durant did, outside of game 1

[ImKobe]

Maybe Durant should have found ways to make his teammates better.

LeBron simply had more impact on the whole game than Durant did, outside of game 1

Oh so now Durant has to do everything himself? Who was his point guard? Westbrook? The same guy that Magic Johnson said played the worst half a point guard has EVER played in NBA History? Who was supposed to hit 3s to space the floor? James Harden you say? He shot 32% from 3 and 38% from the field :applause:

What did Ibaka do? 7 ppg 5 rpg on 42% shooting :lebronamazed:

KD did what he does best and his teammates didn't come thru, simple as that.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Oh so now Durant has to do everything himself? Who was his point guard? Westbrook? The same guy that Magic Johnson said played the worst half a point guard has EVER played in NBA History? Who was supposed to hit 3s to space the floor? James Harden you say? He shot 32% from 3 and 38% from the field :applause:

KD did what he does best and his teammates didn't come thru, simple as that.
He had Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka That certainly should be enough help.

but just to make sure you're consistent with your own beliefs, you don't blame LeBron for 2014 then right? LeBron had Bosh/Wade but they were nowhere to be found.

And since you base everything off stats, would you say Iverson outplayed Kobe in 2001 finals? even though his stats didn't lead to wins?

[ImKobe]

He had Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka That certainly should be enough help.

but just to make sure you're consistent with your own beliefs, you don't blame LeBron for 2014 then right? LeBron had Bosh/Wade but they were nowhere to be found.

And since you base everything off stats, would you say Iverson outplayed Kobe in 2001 finals? even though his stats didn't lead to wins?

Iverson was a chucker that was fortunate to win one game thanks to Kobe having his only off-night of the Playoffs. Kobe outplayed Iverson the rest of the way. You look at Iverson's ppg, I look at his pathetic shooting numbers. 35.6 ppg on 32.4 FGA and 9.6 FTA? His best game was 46 points on 41 shots and 9 FTs, while he averaged 3.8 assists a game for the series while Kobe was putting up near triple-double numbers and shot better in the last 4 games.

Fact is that OKC would have won the Finals if Harden, Westbrook and Ibaka play up to their averages. KD beasted ALL Playoffs and his worst shooting game in the Finals was 47% from the field, he couldn't have played any better given his abilities at that time while going up against prime Lebron, he didn't have the passing game in his arsenal yet at 23 years old but he had a point guard that was supposed to run the offense, a Power Forward that had been the rim protector all season and a 6th man off the bench that gave valuable scoring off the bench. None of them did their jobs.

So, are you going to discredit Durant for playing really well because his teammates, who were more than capable of playing great, didn't show up?

And I don't really blame Lebron for 2014 because Spurs played phenomenal defense. His stats were nice, but the series wasn't even close so his stats mean absolutely nothing to me, whereas KD was amazing in the clutch in the first 2 games with a combined 35 points in the 4th and should have won both games if refs call the foul on Lebron at the end of Game 4 with KD getting the ball from the inbounds and shooting while getting blatantly hacked by Lebron with the ref being right next to them :facepalm

They are two different situations, but KD deserves more respect.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Iverson was a chucker that was fortunate to win one game thanks to Kobe having his only off-night of the Playoffs. Kobe outplayed Iverson the rest of the way. You look at Iverson's ppg, I look at his pathetic shooting numbers. 35.6 ppg on 32.4 FGA and 9.6 FTA? His best game was 46 points on 41 shots and 9 FTs, while he averaged 3.8 assists a game for the series while Kobe was putting up near triple-double numbers and shot better in the last 4 games.

Kobe averaged 24.6/7.8/5.8. Great numbers, but not near triple double. I just don't get the double standard where Iverson puts up better numbers than Kobe on the same efficiency, yet when Durant does the same thing, he "outplayed" LeBron... and i'm sorry but i don't count getting free throws against someone especially when Kobe only shot 10 less free throws the whole series despite iverson taking a lot more shots. And aside from the stats, Iverson was balling his ass off that finals. And outside of the stats, LeBron's playmaking and intangibles made his team BETTER. Why do you think Chalmers and Mike Miller got so many open 3s? Let's not forget LeBron was getting 10 boards and 7.4 assists a game, while Durant was getting 6 boards, and 2 assists per game. Westbrook was putting up 27/6/6 which was better than any indiviudal teammate on the Heat


So, are you going to discredit Durant for playing really well because his teammates, who were more than capable of playing great, didn't show up?
I don't really discredit him, but I do believe his impact wasn't as great as hig PPG would suggest. He wasn't really impactful late in the game in games 3-4 where they had the chance to take a 2-1 lead, or tie it 2-2 in game 4.


And I don't really blame Lebron for 2014 because Spurs played phenomenal defense. His stats were nice, but the series wasn't even close so his stats mean absolutely nothing to me, whereas KD was amazing in the clutch in the first 2 games with a combined 35 points in the 4th and should have won both games if refs call the foul on Lebron at the end of Game 4 with KD getting the ball from the inbounds and shooting while getting blatantly hacked by Lebron with the ref being right next to them :facepalm

They are two different situations, but KD deserves more respect.
Fair enough, as long as your consistent with your thoughts. I've seen a lot of Kobe stans saying LeBron cost the Heat the 2014 finals, which is obvious horse shit. If you're not one of those guys, I can't knock you for that.

[Prime_Shaq]

Iverson was a chucker that was fortunate to win one game thanks to Kobe having his only off-night of the Playoffs. Kobe outplayed Iverson the rest of the way. You look at Iverson's ppg, I look at his pathetic shooting numbers. 35.6 ppg on 32.4 FGA and 9.6 FTA? His best game was 46 points on 41 shots and 9 FTs, while he averaged 3.8 assists a game for the series while Kobe was putting up near triple-double numbers and shot better in the last 4 games.

Fact is that OKC would have won the Finals if Harden, Westbrook and Ibaka play up to their averages. KD beasted ALL Playoffs and his worst shooting game in the Finals was 47% from the field, he couldn't have played any better given his abilities at that time while going up against prime Lebron, he didn't have the passing game in his arsenal yet at 23 years old but he had a point guard that was supposed to run the offense, a Power Forward that had been the rim protector all season and a 6th man off the bench that gave valuable scoring off the bench. None of them did their jobs.

So, are you going to discredit Durant for playing really well because his teammates, who were more than capable of playing great, didn't show up?

And I don't really blame Lebron for 2014 because Spurs played phenomenal defense. His stats were nice, but the series wasn't even close so his stats mean absolutely nothing to me, whereas KD was amazing in the clutch in the first 2 games with a combined 35 points in the 4th and should have won both games if refs call the foul on Lebron at the end of Game 4 with KD getting the ball from the inbounds and shooting while getting blatantly hacked by Lebron with the ref being right next to them :facepalm

They are two different situations, but KD deserves more respect.
Different situations entirely. LeBron vs Durant is 1st option vs 1st option. Iverson vs Kobe is 1st option (Only offensive threat on the team) vs 2and option (Most dominant player of all-time carrying the load and drawing defenders)

[keep-itreal]

Harden chocked/disappeared in the finals

[KDthunderup]

All 3 were obviously not at an MVP level that year compared to now

[ImKobe]

Kobe averaged 24.6/7.8/5.8. Great numbers, but not near triple double. I just don't get the double standard where Iverson puts up better numbers than Kobe on the same efficiency, yet when Durant does the same thing, he "outplayed" LeBron... and i'm sorry but i don't count getting free throws against someone especially when Kobe only shot 10 less free throws the whole series despite iverson taking a lot more shots. And aside from the stats, Iverson was balling his ass off that finals. And outside of the stats, LeBron's playmaking and intangibles made his team BETTER. Why do you think Chalmers and Mike Miller got so many open 3s? Let's not forget LeBron was getting 10 boards and 7.4 assists a game, while Durant was getting 6 boards, and 2 assists per game. Westbrook was putting up 27/6/6 which was better than any indiviudal teammate on the Heat



those are his numbers for the entire series, but from Games 2-5, he averaged 27/9/6 and had a near triple-double game and ended the series out with a 26/12/6 game. He played a much better all-around game than Iverson in the 4 wins and averaged 27 ppg on 21 FGA in those games.

Westbrook put up 27/6/6, but he wasn't that good outside of Games 1 and 4, and despite his 43 points on high %, he cost them the game at the end with the stupid intentional foul after the jump ball

Game 5 of that series -


Russ: 19/4/6 on 4/20 shooting, 0/5 from 3
Harden: 19/4/5/2 on 5/11 shooting, 3/8 from 3
Ibaka: 9/4/2 blocks on 3/9 shooting

combine for 12/40 shooting

Wade: 20/8/3/2/3 on 7/12 shooting
Bosh: 24/7/1/2 on 9/14 shooting
Miller: 23/5 on 7/11 shooting, 7/8 3pt

combine for 23/37 shooting

KD held his own against Bran with a 32/11/3/2 stat line on 13/24 shooting but they got blown out of the building with all the 3s they gave up in the first 3 quarters

KD wasn't at his peak and his passing game wasn't developed yet, I'm not going to hold that against him at 23 years of age. He put up numbers relative to the rest of his production in the Playoffs while Ibaka and Harden were disappointing for the most of the series, and I'm talking defense here. KD obviously had trouble guarding Lebron because refs called so many fouls on him, but let's not act like other guys were any better on D.

[AintNoSunshine]

All 3 were obviously not at an MVP level that year compared to now

True. But were close to it. Just didn't have the freedom to operate as THE MAN as they do now.

King still made one of them cry and another one choke like a bitsh.

[cltcfn2924]

Hmmm, I see no mention of Leonard taking a huge dump on Lefraud last year.

[Prime_Shaq]

Hmmm, I see no mention of Leonard taking a huge dump on Lefraud last year.
Cuz this ain't what the thread is about?

[JT123]

Let's not forget the end of Game 2, where refs don't call a blatant foul by Lebron on Durant at the end....

or Game 4, where Russ gives the game away by fouling with 11 secs left in the game but 5 secs on the shot clock (jump ball)

and let's not forget how Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Norris Cole and Chalmers all showed up in different games by hitting a ton of 3s..
Let's not forget your idol shot 6/24 in the most important game of his career, yet got bailed out by Gasol and Artest. :sleeping

[Sarcastic]

All of them were 23 and younger. Not even in their prime.

[DMV2]

Wait, so Jason Terry destroyed 4-time MVP Le2PPGinthe4thQuarter of the 2011 Finals????

How can a 4-time MVP possibly choke to a bench player? :wtf:

[AintNoSunshine]

Wait, so Jason Terry destroyed 4-time MVP Le2PPGinthe4thQuarter of the 2011 Finals????

How can a 4-time MVP possibly choke to a bench player? :wtf:
Well it happened. One of the biggest choke in sports history. Redeemed himself tho after OP happened.

[Eric Cartman]

Yes, that OKC was stacked and the favorites going into those finals.

Lebron was just too strong, his supporting cast was amazing as well.

[Im Still Ballin]

Lebron was being physical, in attack mode.

Got KD in foul trouble, opened up the floor for his shooters, and outrebounded KD

[necya]

to make a thread like that, you are either 13yo or you are dumb...maybe both:rolleyes:

[AintNoSunshine]

to make a thread like that, you are either 13yo or you are dumb...maybe both:rolleyes:
Well thats your opinion but I am neither. I am just one of those people curious of how good the Thunder could have become. All three of them turned out to be MVP caliber players shortly after given thr opportunity.