Another reason why Jordan towers over Kobe and Bron

[Straight_Ballin]

Jordan molds Pippen into the player he became by having him defend him every day in practice, and then he and Pippen combine to go 6/6 in the finals for perfection. Pippen was not an established top 5 player in the league that Jordan simply colluded with like others have. Amazing how a player can be so alpha, that instead of jumping ship and leaving his team behind to collude, he simply mentors and shapes his own destiny by putting so much personal time of his own into the development of Pippen, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY perfecting is OWN game, forming the greatest 1-2 punch in NBA history. Why didn't other players like Kobe or Bron have the same natural alpha talent as Jordan did to mold a young draft pick into a dominant 2 way player like Jordan molded Pippen through encouragement, unselfishness and sacrifice, correcting every one of Pippen's mistakes during practice and going over it again and again until Pippen had it down to a perfection? Beta mindsets perhaps?

[quote= Horace Grant]Our practices were so intense because Phil [Jackson], the mastermind behind everything, would put M.J. on the second team. Me and Scottie [Pippen] would be on the first team. And then, being competitive like [Jordan] was, man ... unreal, unreal. And, you know, of course, punches got thrown, many fights. I

[Budadiiii]

Westbrook would bully Jordan. Jordan was competitive but Westbrook would out right eat him alive and absorb his nutrients.

Michael would be a nutritious and delicious snack for Rusty.

[JohnMax]

MJ was not so alpha when Mike Tyson challenged him to a fight

[AirBourne92]

dont forget the illegal defense rules that helped players with garbage jumpers like jordan to play effectively up close around the rim:lol :lol :lol :lol

[Straight_Ballin]

Westbrook would bully Jordan. Jordan was competitive but Westbrook would out right eat him alive and absorb his nutrients.

Michael would be a nutritious and delicious snack for Rusty.

Nope, but one thing I will say about Westbrook is that at least he's not a colluder. That right there puts him above Bron in most people's eyes.

[Solefade]

so michael jordan isn't just the GOAT to you guys anymore, he's like jesus that gives talent to other young black men too?


only on ISH

[Straight_Ballin]

MJ was not so alpha when Mike Tyson challenged him to a fight

I can't even beat Tyson in Punch Out on NES....

Smart alpha call by Jordan.

[Solefade]

too bad he doesn't have that jesus ability to give talent to the team he currently owns :lol:

[Straight_Ballin]

so michael jordan isn't just the GOAT to you guys anymore, he's like jesus that gives talent to other young black men too?


only on ISH

Are you denying the fact that Jordan didn't put YEARS of time, effort, and energy working with Pippen at his own home? There's not a single player on any of those bulls championship teams that would dispute the fact that Jordan didn't mold Pippen into the player he became. Granted, Pippen had to be of willing and open mindset to absorb Jordan's teachings, but don't discredit Jordan for doing something that Kobe and Bron couldn't do.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

too bad he doesn't have that jesus ability to give talent to the team he currently owns :lol:
:lol :lol

[Hey Yo]

Jordan molds Pippen into the player he became by having him defend him every day in practice, and then he and Pippen combine to go 6/6 in the finals for perfection. Pippen was not an established top 5 player in the league that Jordan simply colluded with like others have. Amazing how a player can be so alpha, that instead of jumping ship and leaving his team behind to collude,

Jordan couldn't have jumped ship to a different team even if he wanted to. His second contract was signed in the 88-89 season (8yrs 25mil. which was HUGE at the time) cause the new CBA went into effect in July 1988 which was the first time there was such a thing as unrestricted free agency. The new UFA rule stated a player must meet 2 criteria's:

1) have been in the league seven years or more and
2) have played through two NBA contracts.

Jordan didn't meet either of those until the end of the 1996 season when his 2nd contract was up. So we'll never know if he wished or wanted to play on a different team before/while signing that 8yr deal



Forget the other accolades of Jordan, the molding of Pippen by his own hand with support of Phil Jackson is bar none the greatest accomplishment in the NBA by anyone. Pippen feared that he would not be noticed by NBA scouts because his team failed to advance into post-season tournaments. Jordan took his hand, said here lil buddy... I'll show you... and the rest is history.

I find that very hard to believe. You don't get picked 5th overall w/o knowing or told you're being scouted your Senior year of College.

[SamuraiSWISH]

How did MJ not shape Pippen's career, and his playing style?

[Hey Yo]

How did MJ not shape Pippen's career, and his playing style?
You referring to my post?

[SamuraiSWISH]

You referring to my post?
Not directly, don't really pay attention to you to be honest. Just reiterating OP's initial sentence.

Scottie admitted it, Bach admitted it, Collins admitted it, and Phil admitted it.

No, MJ didn't literally create or give birth to a 6'7 freak basketball athlete. But MJ's playing style, skill set, IQ, aggression (specifically defensively), work ethic and mentality shaped the player Pippen eventually became.

Scottie wasn't a superstar out the gates ala MJ, Bird, Magic, LeBron, Wade, etc. And he wasn't a yet to be physically mature player directly out of HS as a prodigy like Kobe.

Jordan molded the player that became Scottie Pippen. It's obvious to anyone who watched both their careers, and the Bulls dynasty unfold in real time.

[sportjames23]

Jordan molds Pippen into the player he became by having him defend him every day in practice, and then he and Pippen combine to go 6/6 in the finals for perfection. Pippen was not an established top 5 player in the league that Jordan simply colluded with like others have. Amazing how a player can be so alpha, that instead of jumping ship and leaving his team behind to collude, he simply mentors and shapes his own destiny by putting so much personal time of his own into the development of Pippen, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY perfecting is OWN game, forming the greatest 1-2 punch in NBA history. Why didn't other players like Kobe or Bron have the same natural alpha talent as Jordan did to mold a young draft pick into a dominant 2 way player like Jordan molded Pippen through encouragement, unselfishness and sacrifice, correcting every one of Pippen's mistakes during practice and going over it again and again until Pippen had it down to a perfection? Beta mindsets perhaps?



Forget the other accolades of Jordan, the molding of Pippen by his own hand with support of Phil Jackson is bar none the greatest accomplishment in the NBA by anyone. Pippen feared that he would not be noticed by NBA scouts because his team failed to advance into post-season tournaments. Jordan took his hand, said here lil buddy... I'll show you... and the rest is history.

Jordan...so alpha in a world of present day betas and the saddest part is that 25 years have passed and they still can't catch on....

Shaq joined Kobe and they won rings....
Bron joined Wade and they won rings....
Jordan has draft pick join him and teaches him how to win rings in a 6/6 perfection kind of way.

:sleeping


Real talk. :cheers:

[Hey Yo]

Not directly, don't really pay attention to you to be honest. Just reiterating OP's initial sentence.

Scottie admitted it, Bach admitted it, Collins admitted it, and Phil admitted it.

No, MJ didn't literally create or give birth to a 6'7 freak basketball athlete. But MJ's playing style, skill set, IQ, aggression (specifically defensively), work ethic and mentality shaped the player Pippen eventually became.

Scottie wasn't a superstar out the gates ala MJ, Bird, Magic, LeBron, Wade, etc. And he wasn't a yet to be physically mature player directly out of HS as a prodigy like Kobe.

Jordan molded the player that became Scottie Pippen. It's obvious to anyone who watched both their careers, and the Bulls dynasty unfold in real time.
You should, because you'll more than likely learn something. Like you did after reading my post to the OP.

You're welcome.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Scottie doesn't become the defender he does (his best on court attribute) without Jordan harping about competitiveness, defensive intensity, the ability to attack on that end.

Jordan led by example. 1988 DPOY, etc.

Nor does Pippen become the defender he eventually became without everyday in practice having to defend the greatest offensive threat of all-time when coaches pitted MJ w/ 2nd unit v.s. the Starters led by Pippen and Grant.

[Solefade]

Are you denying the fact that Jordan didn't put YEARS of time, effort, and energy working with Pippen at his own home? There's not a single player on any of those bulls championship teams that would dispute the fact that Jordan didn't mold Pippen into the player he became. Granted, Pippen had to be of willing and open mindset to absorb Jordan's teachings, but don't discredit Jordan for doing something that Kobe and Bron couldn't do.


uhh yeah i am lol



i mean i'm not totally discrediting him but you guys give him WAY too much ****ing credit. if he actually knew how to do this then why are bobcats so ****ing awful then

[SamuraiSWISH]

You should, because you'll more than likely learn something. Like you did after reading my post to the OP.

You're welcome.
I'm sorry did you say something in this thread?

[livinglegend]

Jordan molds Pippen into the player he became by having him defend him every day in practice, and then he and Pippen combine to go 6/6 in the finals for perfection. Pippen was not an established top 5 player in the league that Jordan simply colluded with like others have. Amazing how a player can be so alpha, that instead of jumping ship and leaving his team behind to collude, he simply mentors and shapes his own destiny by putting so much personal time of his own into the development of Pippen, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY perfecting is OWN game, forming the greatest 1-2 punch in NBA history. Why didn't other players like Kobe or Bron have the same natural alpha talent as Jordan did to mold a young draft pick into a dominant 2 way player like Jordan molded Pippen through encouragement, unselfishness and sacrifice, correcting every one of Pippen's mistakes during practice and going over it again and again until Pippen had it down to a perfection? Beta mindsets perhaps?



Forget the other accolades of Jordan, the molding of Pippen by his own hand with support of Phil Jackson is bar none the greatest accomplishment in the NBA by anyone. Pippen feared that he would not be noticed by NBA scouts because his team failed to advance into post-season tournaments. Jordan took his hand, said here lil buddy... I'll show you... and the rest is history.

Jordan...so alpha in a world of present day betas and the saddest part is that 25 years have passed and they still can't catch on....

Shaq joined Kobe and they won rings....
Bron joined Wade and they won rings....
Jordan has draft pick join him and teaches him how to win rings in a 6/6 perfection kind of way.

:sleeping

Do you have videos to prove your point? Did you assist their practice sessions? Why should we believe everything you say?

[livinglegend]

Scottie doesn't become the defender he does (his best on court attribute) without Jordan harping about competitiveness, defensive intensity, the ability to attack on that end.

Jordan led by example. 1988 DPOY, etc.

Nor does Pippen become the defender he eventually became without everyday in practice having to defend the greatest offensive threat of all-time when coaches pitted MJ w/ 2nd unit v.s. the Starters led by Pippen and Grant.

Support your claims with facts. They mean nothing without support.

[livinglegend]

too bad he doesn't have that jesus ability to give talent to the team he currently owns :lol:

Repped! Good counter argument for OP with concrete support. If Jordan actually developed Pippen, why can't he do the same with his Bobcats?

[Roundball_Rock]

Repped! Good counter argument for OP with concrete support. If Jordan actually developed Pippen, why can't he do the same with his Bobcats?

Or the Wizards before that. Or with any other Bull who was not a top 5 draft pick coveted by numerous teams including Bill Russell's Kings and Detroit. It is ironic: if Detroit succeeded in trading up for Pippen, well let me just say we would not have to deal with these legions of Jordan mythologists...

These mythologists never credit Doug Collins--you know the guy who was the coach of the Bulls. Collins spent extra time routinely after practice with Pippen and Grant. Phil Jackson helped Pippen on defense from day 1. You know, the guys who were the head coach and assistant coach of the team.

Pippen went from handing out towels to a top 5 draft pick in years. Yet it was all Mike. Russell wanted Pippen. The Pistons GM wanted Pippen. Others wanted Pippen. All people on teams without Mike there to "make" Pippen. Yet it was all Mike. Teams were willing to spend a high pick or trade for a high pick for Pippen. Yet it was all Mike. People wanted to spend a top pick on a scrub, right? No, they expected a high caliber player. That is what you project when you spend a top pick on a player.

Jordan mythologists take a few quotes from Pip and twist it. You can do the same with Mike. According to Mike, it was Kevin Loughery (his rookie coach) who allowed Mike to become the player he became. Remember, Mike was the #3 pick (Pip was #5 as a comparison). No one expected a GOAT caliber player.

Pippen was drafted ahead of Reggie Miller, Kevin Johnson, Reggie Lewis, Kenny Smith, and Horace Grant to name some. All before he ever met Mike. Yet it was all Mike. Jordan mythologists are ridiculous.

[SpecialQue]

Kobe's dad is still alive. Meanwhile Jordan had his dad killed and Lebron's dad is MIA.

Advantage: Kobe.