Battier on Melo: His game hasn't evolved at all over the years

[JohnMax]

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Friday, Feb 27, 10:40 a.m.

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[Smoke117]

He's been the same player he's been since he was drafted more or less. The main reason I have never respected him. I remember back when he was drafted how they had made him watch Scottie Pippen defense footage...trying to show him what real defense looks like...it obviously never took.

Someone tell me how he has evolved? He was a known scorer and gunner who came into the league...and became a known scorer and gunner. His reputation is the same from when he was in college that one season. I'm not a hater...he just hasn't done anything to make me think better of him. He's the one who hasn't maximized his potential. He's the one underwhelming everyone.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Um...

The last 2 years Battier guarded Carmelo these were the results of his primitive game:

4/15/2012: 42pts 9reb 5ast on 14-27FG
11/02/2012: 30pts 10reb 2ast on 10-28FG
3/03/2013: 32pts 2reb 3ast on 9-19FG
4/02/2013: 50pts 2reb 2ast on 18-26FG
2/01/2014: 26pts 8reb 4ast on 8-17FG
2/27/2014: 29pts 7reb 2ast on 11-20FG
4/06/2014: 13pts 5reb 6ast on 4-17FG
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31.7pts 6.1reb 3.4ast on .481FG%

Note to Shane (and all future retirees): don't talk smack from the other side of retirement until you've checked the numbers first and made sure that the dude you are dissing wasn't lighting you up every night.

Guess Shane has developed that old retired guy memory, and only took that very last game with him, and forgot about the primitive torching him for years.

[Akrazotile]

But he single handedly turned the nuggets around all by himself solo just him alone as the only piece.


He is a literal GOAT candidae every single night in the Garden but its just his teammates and coaches that keep holding him back over and over.



Did I do it right?

[Heavincent]

But he single handedly turned the nuggets around all by himself solo just him alone as the only piece.


He is a literal GOAT candidae every single night in the Garden but its just his teammates and coaches that keep holding him back over and over.



Did I do it right?

Nuggets had the same amount of success when they replaced Melo with Iguodala :oldlol:

[Sarcastic]

Nuggets had the same amount of success when they replaced Melo with Iguodala :oldlol:


Really? They went to the WCF with Iggy?

[GreggPopazit]

But he single handedly turned the nuggets around all by himself solo just him alone as the only piece.


He is a literal GOAT candidae every single night in the Garden but its just his teammates and coaches that keep holding him back over and over.



Did I do it right?

:oldlol:

[Bandito]

He just perfected his strengths. Thats what you are supposed to do when you are not that athletically gifted.

[smoovegittar]

So now we're collecting tweets to bash Melo. This place gets more and more pathetic. Can you say "Negged"?

[Pointguard]

I was going to say I definitely remember Melo totally trashing him at least three times. I guess it is the bitter pill, and who knows, the 50 game might have been on national coupled with some trash talk. Bat is definitely wrong, while I have been disappointed with Mello overall, he showed me some things and that he can pass and adapt his game.

[Chadwin]

Um...

The last 2 years Battier guarded Carmelo these were the results of his primitive game:

4/15/2012: 42pts 9reb 5ast on 14-27FG
11/02/2012: 30pts 10reb 2ast on 10-28FG
3/03/2013: 32pts 2reb 3ast on 9-19FG
4/02/2013: 50pts 2reb 2ast on 18-26FG
2/01/2014: 26pts 8reb 4ast on 8-17FG
2/27/2014: 29pts 7reb 2ast on 11-20FG
4/06/2014: 13pts 5reb 6ast on 4-17FG
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31.7pts 6.1reb 3.4ast on .481FG%

Note to Shane (and all future retirees): don't talk smack from the other side of retirement until you've checked the numbers first and made sure that the dude you are dissing wasn't lighting you up every night.

Guess Shane has developed that old retired guy memory, and only took that very last game with him, and forgot about the primitive torching him for years.

If it works, why change. See Shaq.

[Pointguard]

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Apparently the scouting report said he will "bust you up on national TV so bad that you will go to social media for salvation."

[Blue&Orange]

does battier have a twitter account, someone should tweet him this thread.

[boozehound]

Um...

The last 2 years Battier guarded Carmelo these were the results of his primitive game:

4/15/2012: 42pts 9reb 5ast on 14-27FG
11/02/2012: 30pts 10reb 2ast on 10-28FG
3/03/2013: 32pts 2reb 3ast on 9-19FG
4/02/2013: 50pts 2reb 2ast on 18-26FG
2/01/2014: 26pts 8reb 4ast on 8-17FG
2/27/2014: 29pts 7reb 2ast on 11-20FG
4/06/2014: 13pts 5reb 6ast on 4-17FG
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31.7pts 6.1reb 3.4ast on .481FG%

Note to Shane (and all future retirees): don't talk smack from the other side of retirement until you've checked the numbers first and made sure that the dude you are dissing wasn't lighting you up every night.

Guess Shane has developed that old retired guy memory, and only took that very last game with him, and forgot about the primitive torching him for years.
how much did battier guard him in those games? and, who won those games? Not trying to be a dick, just wondering. Seems like battier had a pretty limited role by then.

[Legends66NBA7]

Reminds me of this thread:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322650

[Legends66NBA7]

Battier vs Melo individually isn't the point.

Fact is, Melo hasn't really changed his game much over the years and it's true. Outside of his 3 point improvement, what major improvements has he made ?

[pauk]

Very true.

[IncarceratedBob]

At the end of the day Melo will be in the hall of fame and Shane will be completely forgotten

[bluechox2]

if that was the case, why was he reading the scouting report at all on melo if "he knew" what hes gonna do...unless hes been getting ripied a new one prior to each game

[secund2nun]

If it works, why change. See Shaq.

Because it doesn't work that well. His scoring is empty inefficient volume scoring. Shaq didn't change it because no one could stop it.

[Pointguard]

Battier vs Melo individually isn't the point.
Yes it is. He based his whole point on how Mello was torching him over the last two years and said as much. Batman or Bat crazy thought Mello should have adjusted to his defense, despite all the success he had on him. Was Mello supposed to humor him?


Fact is, Melo hasn't really changed his game much over the years and it's true. Outside of his 3 point improvement, what major improvements has he made ?
He played the stretch 4 for us and he wasn't used to it at first but then did a good job. Then he was asked to pass more and excelled at that. He also was the games most versatile scorer. Apparently, he didn't have to use his resourcefulness on Battier.

[ZMonkey11]

He just perfected his strengths. Thats what you are supposed to do when you are not that athletically gifted.

This.

There was a reason people were calling him the best scorer in the game 2-3 years ago. That's because his offensive game came POLISHED out of Syracuse. He has always had the footwork, the range, the post-up game, the bully-style driving ability.

If Battier were coming at him about his defense, I can see this. He never developed that very far. But, when you are talking about offensive charges and steals, is it hard to believe he has the most stats against players who have the ball the most?

Nonsense, all of this.

[bizil]

I was going to say I definitely remember Melo totally trashing him at least three times. I guess it is the bitter pill, and who knows, the 50 game might have been on national coupled with some trash talk. Bat is definitely wrong, while I have been disappointed with Mello overall, he showed me some things and that he can pass and adapt his game.

I agree! Melo was NEVER going to be a great all around player like Bron, Kobe, or Wade. That was never his niche. Melo's lane was more in that Bernard King, Nique, and Dantley lane. Which is a true alpha dog SF. Who is also a very good and at times a great rebounder for a SF.

So sure, u can't beat alpha dogs who are also great all around players. But after those kind of guys, give me a Melo or Bernard King. True alpha dogs who can dominate a game! And people need to keep in mind that the most premium asset in basketball is alpha dog scoring ability. Despite what Battier is saying, Melo is still going to the HOF!!

[TiagoSimoes]

Yes it is. He based his whole point on how Mello was torching him over the last two years and said as much. Batman or Bat crazy thought Mello should have adjusted to his defense, despite all the success he had on him. Was Mello supposed to humor him?

He played the stretch 4 for us and he wasn't used to it at first but then did a good job. Then he was asked to pass more and excelled at that. He also was the games most versatile scorer. Apparently, he didn't have to use his resourcefulness on Battier.

:durantunimpressed:

some people still think melo is/was on kd's level of scoring game :sleeping

[SamuraiSWISH]

Me: Melo hasn't stop smiling at all over the years

[kurple]

Really? They went to the WCF with Iggy?
he said melo, not Billups

[FKAri]

At the end of the day Melo will be in the hall of fame and Shane will be completely forgotten

Pretty sure theyll both be forgotten.

[navy]

He's right. Although make no mistake, Melo could tourch Battier on every given sunday. But Melo never changed his game much. If he developed a consistent handle he would be a much better offensive threat.

Good article tmz.

[Pointguard]

:durantunimpressed:

some people still think melo is/was on kd's level of scoring game :sleeping
Durant's a better scorer. Mello is more versatile in that he can score from the same spots plus has a superior low post game on either side of the blocks. You can add mid-low post game on either side as well.

:cheers: To Bizil.

[SwishSquared]

Eh, Battier is right and wrong here. Melo began playing PF much more and developed a pretty dangerous C&S 3 point game to increase his skillset. And even if he did exactly what the scouting report said, he still torched Battier. Although Melo hasn't made huge leaps to diversify and hone his game, he should still give him some credit for changing it up during 2012-2014.

I'm all for analytics and it's cool to hear what guys around the league are saying about it, but overall, Battier was not very good at SSAC this year.

[niko]

how much did battier guard him in those games? and, who won those games? Not trying to be a dick, just wondering. Seems like battier had a pretty limited role by then.
So he could just tell the other players what to do, no?

[clipps]

He just perfected his strengths. Thats what you are supposed to do when you are not that athletically gifted.

Carmelo was an underrated athlete. Did you even watch him when he was young? He's selfish and never applied himself on defense.

[AirBourne92]

people use this to diss melo but the thing is that he has a physical talent paired with his skills to where he doesnt need to do other things

all he needs to do is get small shooting space and his quick shot will fly

[Springsteen]

You shouldn't have posted this thread OP, you're going to get a flurry of negs from Knicks fans for insulting their glorious leader.

[dreamwarrior]

Although true, in the past 3 years or so Melo has put in a lot more effort to be that go to guy. In the past he relied heavily on his teammates. He really only decided he could be a superstar 3 years ago.

[The Iron Sheik]

how much did battier guard him in those games? and, who won those games? Not trying to be a dick, just wondering. Seems like battier had a pretty limited role by then.

idk about shane's rockets years but when he was in miami, he was the primary defender on melo (lebron would switch onto melo periodically), and melo would constantly light him up. i've seen games where melo is struggling when lebron is guarding him, then as soon as battier switches onto him he starts heating up. i mean literally the next shot would be nothing but net

[Elosha]

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Friday, Feb 27, 10:40 a.m.

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[miggyme1]

Battier vs Melo individually isn't the point.

Fact is, Melo hasn't really changed his game much over the years and it's true. Outside of his 3 point improvement, what major improvements has he made ?


what improvements should he make? he is an all around scorer that can put up points in the post,long range,mid-range,can drive etc.

his only weakness is defense and thats damn near every superstar's or all-stars's weakness outside of a few players like lebron.

Its simple...melo hasnt played on many GREAT teams. He made a huge mistake forcing his way to new york. He should of waited and became a free agent and he would of had an opportunity to play anywhere he wanted....now he is literally wasting away his best years on a lottery team for the next 5-6 seasons.

[smoovegittar]

You shouldn't have posted this thread OP, you're going to get a flurry of negs from Knicks fans for insulting their glorious leader.

Pathetic.

[YouGotServed]

So he could just tell the other players what to do, no?


Legit Lold. Dumbest post I've read in a while. Not surprised it's coming from a Knicks fan.

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