The days of MJ being consensus GOAT is coming to an end.

[Dragic4Life]

http://a1.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/RSN/Ohio/2014/12/30/123014-FSO-NBA-LeBron-James-Cavs.vadapt.620.high.0.jpg

Make way for the new GOAT.

[JebronLames]

Yess

[TheMan]

:roll:

[Dragic4Life]

:roll:
So much insecurity and fear behind 1 smiley.

Damn.:oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm a HUGE Jordan fan. i even get upset if someone insults his dick size, but even I have to agree with the OP here.

[JT123]

Those days have already ended. In the words of Scottie Pippen "Lebron would have kicked Michael's ass" :banana:

[Im Still Ballin]

I'm in.

Lebron is playing in the anti-superstar era, as opposed to Jordan who played in the most pro-iso era. It's easy to see how well Lebron would translate to 90's rule schemes.

[TheMan]

So much insecurity and fear behind 1 smiley.

Damn.:oldlol:
Your OP is the personification of insecurity

Take your 2/5 and soak in the huge L just like Bran did last Finals :applause:

[oh the horror]

Yeah sorry but no children.


Do you remember that part of Lebron's career when he kept getting his shit pushed in, had finals loses and various random embarrassments?



Yeah that doesn't just magically go away because you want to keep changin the fairytale.


His legacy takes SEVERAL hits folks. And jumping teams also gets factored in as well.


"GOAT" talk is done. He's an all time great player. Hall of famer but don't kid yourselves.


You dudes must like abuse because it's always the same dudes here getting slapped around in your own threads. Give this one some time as well.

[Budadiiii]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb9t8knVPk1rnggdlo1_500.jpg

[poido123]

Yeah sorry but no children.


Do you remember that part of Lebron's career when he kept getting his shit pushed in, had finals loses and various random embarrassments?



Yeah that doesn't just magically go away because you want to keep changin the fairytale.


His legacy takes SEVERAL hits folks. And jumping teams also gets factored in as well.


"GOAT" talk is done. He's an all time great player. Hall of famer but don't kid yourselves.


You dudes must like abuse because it's always the same dudes here getting slapped around in your own threads. Give this one some time as well.


Shut the damn thread.


We are done here!


http://media.giphy.com/media/bMza4SFYBEb8k/giphy.gif

[Im Still Ballin]

Yeah sorry but no children.


Do you remember that part of Lebron's career when he kept getting his shit pushed in, had finals loses and various random embarrassments?



Yeah that doesn't just magically go away because you want to keep changin the fairytale.


His legacy takes SEVERAL hits folks. And jumping teams also gets factored in as well.


"GOAT" talk is done. He's an all time great player. Hall of famer but don't kid yourselves.


You dudes must like abuse because it's always the same dudes here getting slapped around in your own threads. Give this one some time as well.
Wake up. Stop living in the fairytale 90's. You're so drunk off nostalgia it's funny. The NBA duped you HARD. You're buying their narrative word for word. Start doing some independent research and for once in your life, THINK FOR YOURSELF.

Spoon-fed 90's kids.

[Im Still Ballin]

Wake up. Stop living in the fairytale 90's. You're so drunk off nostalgia it's funny. The NBA duped you HARD. You're buying their narrative word for word. Start doing some independent research and for once in your life, THINK FOR YOURSELF.

Spoon-fed 90's kids.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[Millslapped]

Shut the damn thread.


We are done here!


http://media.giphy.com/media/bMza4SFYBEb8k/giphy.gif
You embarrass yourself in every thread you post in.

[Dragic4Life]

poido/dengness/nathanjizz/TheMan's reaction right now:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0911/nba_a_jordan2_sw_200.jpg

[deja vu]

No mention of 2/5 yet? :roll: Weak

[poido123]

You embarrass yourself in every thread you post in.


Jameer, sit down.


You are fun to pay out, but don't mistaken that for being relevant.

[TheMan]

The LeBron children as we speak...
http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/201271/634.ab.lebron.080112.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3he9vodjwIY/hqdefault.jpg

[Beastmode88]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

Why did you gif your own response? Forgot to log on alt?

[TheMan]

http://rapstarpromo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/26d38081020119de4ac6106c8d1715c6.jpg
:oldlol:

[Dragic4Life]

It took TheMan this long to load up Adobe photoshop.:oldlol:

Dude must be frantically trying to google Lebron crying photos and baby photos. Definition of shook right there.:lol

Calm down. Lebron surpassing mike will have no effect on your life man. Chill.

[Beastmode88]

It took TheMan this long to load up Adobe photoshop.:oldlol:

Dude must be frantically trying to google Lebron crying photos and baby photos. Definition of shook right there.:lol

Calm down. Lebron surpassing mike will have no effect on your life man. Chill.

Just link the crying gif from last year's finals.. The finals LeGOAT 3peatee.. Oh waited. :lol :lol :lol

[Sportal]

Im Still Ballin forgot to change to his alt in this thread, lol. Replied to his own attempt at ether.

[KembaWalker]

Im Still Ballin forgot to change to his alt in this thread, lol. Replied to his own attempt at ether.

Makes me wonder how many of them are the same person just forum-jerking themselves off :roll:

[TheMan]

It took TheMan this long to load up Adobe photoshop.:oldlol:

Dude must be frantically trying to google Lebron crying photos and baby photos. Definition of shook right there.:lol

Calm down. Lebron surpassing mike will have no effect on your life man. Chill.
Stop hating fggot, post whatever you want and I post what I want. Cry baby bitchmade fggot, sit down. :coleman:

[JT123]

poido/dengness/nathanjizz/TheMan's reaction right now:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0911/nba_a_jordan2_sw_200.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Beastmode88]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

All of the bran stans randomly on at 4 am... Interesting..

[Budadiiii]

Im Still Ballin forgot to change to his alt in this thread, lol. Replied to his own attempt at ether.
Exposed.

Lebron foster home stays losing.

[Dragic4Life]

Stop hating fggot, post whatever you want and I post what I want. Cry baby bitchmade fggot, sit down. :coleman:
Feelings = caught.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

he's been posting that gif response to his own posts in multiple threads. Not an alt it's just his thing.

[JT123]

All of the bran stans randomly on at 4 am... Interesting..
:facepalm Not everyone lives on the East coast. I'm in Cali, and it's only 1:00am here.

[KembaWalker]

he's been posting that gif response to his own posts in multiple threads. Not an alt it's just his thing.

Lucky we got the LeBron family here :applause:

[Dragic4Life]

All of the bran stans randomly on at 4 am... Interesting..
Hmm you're on right now... so is poido123... So is TheMan...

All MJ dick-riders.

2+2=?

[Budadiiii]

he's been posting that gif response to his own posts in multiple threads. Not an alt it's just his thing.
You're exposed, hold this Rodenticide.

[Im Still Ballin]

We've got you guys on strings so hard it's not even funny.

At this rate we could tell you jump off a cliff and you'd all do it, no hesitation.

[Dragic4Life]

Too easy handing out Ls.:pimp:

[KembaWalker]

We've got you guys on strings so hard it's not even funny.

At this rate we could tell you jump off a cliff and you'd all do it, no hesitation.

try it

[sportjames23]

I'm a HUGE Jordan fan. i even get upset if someone insults his dick size, but even I have to agree with the OP here.


Fggt, you ain't shit. And OP ain't shit but a ho and a trick.

[Im Still Ballin]

"Go jump off a cliff"

[Im Still Ballin]

"Go jump off a cliff"
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[poido123]

:facepalm Not everyone lives on the East coast. I'm in Cali, and it's only 1:00am here.



It's only 1:00am guys, we got errrrrrll night!!! :oldlol:

[Dragic4Life]

Fggt, you ain't shit. And OP ain't shit but a ho and a trick.
Beastmode88 is online. sportjames23 is online. poido123 is online. TheMan is online.

When is dengness9 and pegasus gonna grace us with your presence?

[Beastmode88]

Beastmode88 is online. sportjames23 is online. poido123 is online. TheMan is online.

When is dengness9 and pegasus gonna grace us with your presence?

Oh milbulk and riseagainst is probably on too. :sleeping :sleeping

[Spurs m8]

http://a1.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/RSN/Ohio/2014/12/30/123014-FSO-NBA-LeBron-James-Cavs.vadapt.620.high.0.jpg

Make way for the new GOAT.

Kids these days....

[TheMan]

The LeStans will be walking around all bowlegged with torn anuses after the way their shit has been pushed in left and right and in thread after thread. Call the MJ fans the LeStan's rectum wreckers :pimp:

[Angel Face]

OP in 10 years.

http://preview.images.memegenerator.net/Instance/Preview?imageID=188548&generatorTypeID=&panels=&text0=Still%20waiting%20for%20Lebron&text1=to%20be%20the%20GOAT&text2=&text3=

[Dragic4Life]

I thought it's 4am and nobody is online but Lebron stans?

Why are there so many MJ dickriders on right now?:oldlol:

[warriorfan]

hold this D

[Keno]

in june, it's not gonna be close either.

[warriorfan]

in june, it's not gonna be close either.


yo u mispelled ether

[knicksman]

bran is on another tier:bowdown:

Hes on wilt/west tier :bowdown:

[Spurs m8]

I thought it's 4am and nobody is online but Lebron stans?

Why are there so many MJ dickriders on right now?:oldlol:

Its not about riding *****...its just about knowing basketball tbh

[La Frescobaldi]

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/51a63ee26bb3f7bd15000003/lebron-james-flop-knicks-2012.gif

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/51a63f6569bedd374600000a/lebron-james-flop-pacers-2012.gif

[Straight_Ballin]

Yeah sorry but no children.


Do you remember that part of Lebron's career when he kept getting his shit pushed in, had finals loses and various random embarrassments?



Yeah that doesn't just magically go away because you want to keep changin the fairytale.


His legacy takes SEVERAL hits folks. And jumping teams also gets factored in as well.


"GOAT" talk is done. He's an all time great player. Hall of famer but don't kid yourselves.


You dudes must like abuse because it's always the same dudes here getting slapped around in your own threads. Give this one some time as well.

And.....dilutional generation Z kids are destroyed yet again.

2/5

[dude77]

nice troll thread .. lebron is a joke .. doesn't belong in the same sentence as all time clutch jordan .. he had to be saved by allen just to be 2/5 .. got destroyed and swept in the finals and then destroyed again by the same team last year .. having to be consoled like a fggt on the bench by a washed up back up .. gtfoh

[ILLsmak]

Why did you gif your own response? Forgot to log on alt?

He blew his own mind.

-Smak

[Im Still Ballin]

Wake up. Stop living in the fairytale 90's. You're so drunk off nostalgia it's funny. The NBA duped you HARD. You're buying their narrative word for word. Start doing some independent research and for once in your life, THINK FOR YOURSELF.

Spoon-fed 90's kids.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[scandisk_]

These pathetic clowns with alt accounts hate on LeBron soooo much. To hell with your pointless and repetitive trolling. You're grown ass men FFS do something productive instead :roll:

[tomtucker]

nope...almost 99% of basketball fans think Lebron is a bitch, that leaves teams for his own personal good........therefore in the mind of fans, he will not even reach Jordans socks........Jordan and Kobe will allways come way before Lebron, when fans name their list of top players

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I dislike MJ but this thread is such a load of shit. LeBron may finish his career as a top-5 all-time player but he has a lot of work to do if he's going surpass Jordan as the consensus GOAT.

Keep in mind that while the consensus isn't necessarily accurate (Give me a health Orr/Lemieux > Gretzky any day of the week) it is what it is. I don't think LeBron will ever surpass Jordan as the consensus GOAT but the guy is still having a legendary career, appreciate him for what he is and stop with these annoying comparison threads.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

And.....dilutional generation Z kids are destroyed yet again.

2/5

"dilutional" :facepalm

[Roundball_Rock]

OP is probably right. Almost anytime an athlete comes around whose record is GOAT-caliber he will be elevated past players from past due to biases involving recency, generations and simply the incentives of the press. At some point new stories need to be written. MJ's retirement will be closer to KAJ's retirement than it will be to LeBron's. MJ has retained his status as the public GOAT because no GOAT-caliber player appeared on the scene in the 2000's. Shaq had the talent but not the staying power and motivation. Kobe had the motivation and staying power but fell short in talent relative to GOAT-caliber players. LeBron James is the first serious threat to MJ as GOAT. If LeBron can finish with a resume comparable to MJ he will be crowned the public GOAT, similar to how MJ was crowned over KAJ, Wilt, Russell despite the other three--especially KAJ and Wilt--having strong cases. Ye MJ is presented as the unquestioned GOAT. LeBron will be too--provided he gets in the ballpark.

Keep in mind in 2010 there were whispers about Kobe vs. Jordan if Kobe kept winning rings. He didn't and it faded away but if the media considered that with a player whose resume was not close to MJ's what do you think will happen with a guy who likely will retire with 5-7 MVP's and 4-5 rings?

One thing to watch is the "era" argument. MJ benefits from many writing of the 60's and 70's as irrelevant or weak. Will the same be done to the 80's and 90's? You are already seeing some of that occurring with the newer generation. A key argument against the 60's is the smaller talent pool but the same can be applied to MJ's era due to the lack of globalization then.

[SHAQisGOAT]

In your head, maybe yea...

[Dr Hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r5Jf_ZU9eA


:)

[Cali Syndicate]

I want to see pauk's jordan flop compilation.

[Dragic4Life]

So many feelings caught.

Title said consensus. It'll be VERY arguable who's no.1 and 2 between Lebron and MJ.

[bagelred]

Good thing Ray Allen hit that shot, eh?

[Roundball_Rock]

So many feelings caught.

Title said consensus. It'll be VERY arguable who's no.1 and 2 between Lebron and MJ.

Why is this so controversial? This is what history tells us so long as LeBron keeps up his level of play and achieves more team success in the next 4-5 years. Every sport has debates for GOAT--except basketball and hockey. When a new GOAT-caliber player comes along he is inevitably compared to the reigning GOAT, and usually the new guy is elevated past the incumbent, for a variety of reasons. Why is it assumed that MJ will continue be this anomaly? He is not to basketball what Gretzky is to hockey. Three players right now have a strong case over MJ and LeBron may become the fourth. The difference is LeBron played in the 2000's/2010's--the others played decades ago.

[Dr Hawk]

Why is this so controversial? This is what history tells us so long as LeBron keeps up his level of play and achieves more team success in the next 4-5 years. Every sport has debates for GOAT--except basketball and hockey. When a new GOAT-caliber player comes along he is inevitably compared to the reigning GOAT, and usually the new guy is elevated past the incumbent, for a variety of reasons. Why is it assumed that MJ will continue be this anomaly? He is not to basketball what Gretzky is to hockey. Three players right now have a strong case over MJ and LeBron may become the fourth. The difference is LeBron played in the 2000's/2010's--the others played decades ago.

Who do you think the other 3 guys are? Kareem, Wilt and Russell?

[Straight_Ballin]

Sorry generation Z kids, the only way you can be compared to jordan is if you averaged 28/6/6 as a rookie, averaged 41 points in at least one finals, or never lost in the finals. If you can meet any of these 3 requirements then and only then can you be compared to mj.

[Roundball_Rock]

Who do you think the other 3 guys are? Kareem, Wilt and Russell?

Yes. To clarify, when I said they have a "strong case" over MJ it also is true that MJ has a strong case over them. With those four it really depends on what your criteria is. I do think they are a cut above the next group of players that I listed, though, who in turn are ahead of the third group which includes people like West, Baylor, Moses. LeBron right now is in the second group but is on pace to join the first group.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Sorry generation Z kids, the only way you can be compared to jordan is if you averaged 28/6/6 as a rookie, averaged 41 points in at least one finals, or never lost in the finals. If you can meet any of these 3 requirements then and only then can you be compared to mj.

The only way you can be compared to LeBron is if you never lost in the first round. Arbitrary bullshit goes both ways.

[nba_55]

Oh god, Jordan stans are getting ethered so bad these days. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: Another win for the Lebron family!

http://s27.postimg.org/fqhh0eik3/Le_Bron_Family.png

[Straight_Ballin]

The only way you can be compared to LeBron is if you never lost in the first round. Arbitrary bullshit goes both ways.

And what did not losing in the first round net him? 2/5? Nice try, but it only goes one way, and that way is the MJ way.

[nba_55]

And what did not losing in the first round net him? 2/5? Nice try, but it only goes one way, and that way is the MJ way.

1-9 without Pippen, would be ringless in today's NBA or the 80's NBA or without Pippen. Jordan is just a lucky guy, I don't base my GOAT ranking on luck.

[Straight_Ballin]

1-9 without Pippen, would be ringless in today's NBA or the 80's NBA or without Pippen. Jordan is just a lucky guy, I don't base my GOAT ranking on luck.

Lebron 0-2 without wade.

1>0

Keep holding that L.

[The_Pharcyde]

lol c'mon, LBJ is not better than Michael Jordan. If you aren't the consensus GOAT at the peak of your powers, then you will never be, its as simple as that.. works like that in all sports. Like MJ said himself stop looking for the next Jordan, we will just know.. he will take it with no debate, like how mike did

LBJ stans just enjoy lebrons game.. the guy is an all time great.. top 10 and will arguably finish top 5 with an outsiders chance at 2 or 3... I promise you guys watch every great LBJ performance with a huge chip on your shoulder because the vast majority of analysts and fans believe MJ is the GOAT
just enjoy lbj and MJ they are 2 of the best

it isn't just the nostalgia for the MJ hype or the "Nike Shield"(which always cracked me up cause lbj and kobe have the same shield logically).. it isn't just the old heads claiming their time was better, what makes that their time anymore than right now is? were they more alive then than they are now?? haha all that tells me when people use that excuse is that you are a teenager yourself, because you are claiming MJ was their childhood idol and lebron is likewise for you..Mj was just that good, respect the history of the game

I mean c'mon we got threads being made trashing MJ at 4am on a Saturday,like why??

all in all just stop with the comparisons, you turn so many people off to LBJ which doesn't allow them to enjoy his greatness, okay he isn't Michael f'ing Jordan, doesn't mean he isn't one of the best to ever do it

just enjoy him

[nba_55]

Lebron 0-2 without wade.

1>0

Keep holding that L.

When I said 1-9, I was talking about total wins, Jordan couldn't even win 2 playoffs games without Pippen. GOAT GONNA GOAT

[The_Pharcyde]

1-9 without Pippen, would be ringless in today's NBA or the 80's NBA or without Pippen. Jordan is just a lucky guy, I don't base my GOAT ranking on luck.

slippery slope argument... if this is how your head logically works, then okay.. go ahead and think lbj is the goat.. just makes MJ's argument stronger if these are the guys arguing lebrons case lol

[Straight_Ballin]

When I said 1-9, I was talking about total wins, Jordan couldn't even win 2 playoffs games without Pippen. GOAT GONNA GOAT

And Lebron couldn't even win a ring without Wade, so your whole argument is shit. I don't know why of all the comparisons you could possibly make, you chose the one argument that is most susceptible to strong ether. :lol

The superior man in MJ molded his teammate Pippen to achieve rings together, while the inferior man jumped ship to collude with Wade.

There is no comparison here. MJ is GOAT.

6/6 > 2/5

[nba_55]

slippery slope argument... if this is how your head logically works, then okay.. go ahead and think lbj is the goat.. just makes MJ's argument stronger if these are the guys arguing lebrons case lol

Making personal attacks because you can't take the truth :oldlol: Jordan benefited of weak competition, most stacked team in history, NBA rules helping him, refs benefiting him and huge lucks. That's not GOAT for me.

[nba_55]

And Lebron couldn't even win a ring without Wade, so your whole argument is shit. I don't know why of all the comparisons you could possibly make, you chose the one argument that is most susceptible to strong ether. :lol

The superior man in MJ molded his teammate Pippen to achieve rings together, while the inferior man jumped ship to collude with Wade.

There is no comparison here. MJ is GOAT.

6/6 > 2/5

Lebron still has time, Jordan never won without Pippen and will never ever win without him. Lebron could atleast win games without Wade, Jordan never could do anything with his super duper stacked team.

[The_Pharcyde]

Making personal attacks because you can't take the truth :oldlol: Jordan benefited of weak competition, most stacked team in history, NBA rules helping him, refs benefiting him and huge lucks. That's not GOAT for me.

And who really cares who 'nba_55' thinks is the goat, you have no platform for a reason when it comes to bball

lbj and Mj are both great, why are you so bitter when it comes to Mike? why do you have to diss another great to prop up your guy? face it, the vast majority will ever accept your boy as the greatest.. just enjoy his game before he is gone and stop being so bitter

[Straight_Ballin]

Lebron still has time, Jordan never won without Pippen and will never ever win without him. Lebron could atleast win games without Wade, Jordan never could do anything with his super duper stacked team.

Lol Jordan have to average 40 ppg in the finals on that super duper stacked team in order to win. So now it's Jordan's fault for the front office putting a good team around him? It's not like the guy ran for the hills like a beta mindset LBJ did to collude just to win a ring. :lol This isn't even a comparison and it's starting to be laughable every time LBJ is even mentioned in the same breath as GOAT MJ.

LBJ family passing that L around while sniffin that strong ether. :lol

[nba_55]

And who really cares who 'nba_55' thinks is the goat, you have no platform for a reason when it comes to bball

lbj and Mj are both great, why are you so bitter when it comes to Mike? why do you have to diss another great to prop up your guy? face it, the vast majority will ever accept your boy as the greatest.. just enjoy his game before he is gone and stop being so bitter

It's a message board, and I am allowed to express my opinion. And who cares about my opinion? It seems like you care. This is the 2nd time you are responding to me. And you are the bitter old nostalgic granny, I never made personal attacks, you got bitter because I had a different opinion from you and because I ruined your nostalgic memories by expressing my opinion, you expressed that bitterness with personal attacks.

[sportjames23]

Straight_Ballin straight killin' nba_55. :rockon:

[The_Pharcyde]

Lol Jordan have to average 40 ppg in the finals on that super duper stacked team in order to win. So now it's Jordan's fault for the front office putting a good team around him? It's not like the guy ran for the hills like a beta mindset LBJ did to collude just to win a ring. :lol This isn't even a comparison and it's starting to be laughable every time LBJ is even mentioned in the same breath as GOAT MJ.

LBJ family passing that L around while sniffin that strong ether. :lol


why argue with the guy.. you will never change his mind.. he is too in love with lbj

MJ is gonna be the GOAT till someone undoubtedly takes the title like mj did, dont allow the LBJ fanboys claim jordan fans are insecure cause they debate back.. they are the teeny tiny minority so why listen to their whining about Mj not being the greatest based on completely debatable premises? the arguments never really hold any water.. they are just abstract arguments always, never any real substance

[nba_55]

Lol Jordan have to average 40 ppg in the finals on that super duper stacked team in order to win. So now it's Jordan's fault for the front office putting a good team around him? It's not like the guy ran for the hills like a beta mindset LBJ did to collude just to win a ring. :lol This isn't even a comparison and it's starting to be laughable every time LBJ is even mentioned in the same breath as GOAT MJ.

LBJ family passing that L around while sniffin that strong ether. :lol

Lebron took the matter on his hand and made things happen. He build the team himself as an alpha would do. Jordan just got lucky he got Pippen and Phil, he would be a career loser without them. His 1-9 record shows it. And didn't Bulls win 55 games when they replace Jordan with a D-league type of player. On the other hand, Miami isn't even 0.400 when they replace Lebron with a great role player.

[nba_55]

why argue with the guy.. you will never change his mind.. he is too in love with lbj

MJ is gonna be the GOAT till someone undoubtedly takes the title like mj did, dont allow the LBJ fanboys claim jordan fans are insecure cause they debate back.. they are the teeny tiny minority so why listen to their whining about Mj not being the greatest based on completely debatable premises? the arguments never really hold any water.. they are just abstract arguments always, never any real substance

You lost. :oldlol: :oldlol:
https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8f30kKrEn1rbw6bto1_500.gif

[24-Inch_Chrome]

And who really cares who 'nba_55' thinks is the goat, you have no platform for a reason when it comes to bball

lbj and Mj are both great, why are you so bitter when it comes to Mike? why do you have to diss another great to prop up your guy? face it, the vast majority will ever accept your boy as the greatest.. just enjoy his game before he is gone and stop being so bitter

This can be applied to so many Jordan stans.

[The_Pharcyde]

It's message board, and I allowed to express my opinion. And who cares about my opinion? It seems like you care. This is the 2nd time you are responding to me. And you are the bitter old nostalgic granny, I never made personal attacks, you got bitter because I had a different opinion from and because I ruined your nostalgic memories by expressing my opinion, you expressed that bitterness with personal attacks.

okay well continue to be the tiny minority in thinking LBJ is the goat... all I'm saying is at least take a logic course in college and build a better argument

and like I said in my long post you can always see the arguments they will choose, either 1-9, some abstract stuff like rule changes, or the nike shield...
or my personal favorite which is another logical fallacy being the "nostalgia" argument

give me a break lol what makes that time any less of mine then the present?
I love the NBA then and I love the NBA now.. no nostalgia here

just overpowering stats along with 6 titles to go with the imprint he left on the league and pop culture

[The_Pharcyde]

This can be applied to so many Jordan stans.
yeah it is just as annoying this way too... needs to stop throughout sports

[The_Pharcyde]

This can be applied to so many Jordan stans.

yeah it is just as annoying this way too... needs to stop throughout sports

[The_Pharcyde]

You lost. :oldlol: :oldlol:
https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8f30kKrEn1rbw6bto1_500.gif


why am I debating with a child? Broyou got me!! im melting down right now! Im taking this L right now so heavy! 1-9

give me a break..

and cmon at least use a funny gif...there are millions online

[Straight_Ballin]

And who really cares who 'nba_55' thinks is the goat, you have no platform for a reason when it comes to bball

lbj and Mj are both great, why are you so bitter when it comes to Mike? why do you have to diss another great to prop up your guy? face it, the vast majority will ever accept your boy as the greatest.. just enjoy his game before he is gone and stop being so bitter

He should at least take off his pair of air Jordan's while he talks shit.

Let's face it. The gen Z kids never got to experience what it was like growing up with the GOAT of the sport, watching MJ play live ball and dominate as we sported the first pair of air Jordan's to ever come out on the court. Such things are reserved for those who were privileged enough to enjoy them. Hell they didn't even get to see Kobe play live! :lol Simply put, now is an inferior era for a kid to be the fan of the game. The best player of this era resorted to being a colluding, flopping, beta and only has 2 rings and needed to join Wade just to get those ones! It would so suck to have to be a fan of the game in this day and age without my previous MJ and Kobe live game watching experiences.

If you were a kid growing up with Kobe, at least you got to see a guy try and do all that he could to emulate MJ. Was Kobe the GOAT MJ? Hell no, but at least Kobe provided some entertainment for those kids and provided them with a better time to be a fan than what LBJ is doing for gen Z kids. Every time I talk about the days of watching MJ play live, kids who are sporting Jordan shoes today just drool and shit their pants and are like "you got to see MJ, Kobe, ANNNNNND LeBron play live on multiple occasions!? Do you want to be my new dad?!? All we have for a role model is a colluding beta that chases rings!" :lol :lol :hammerhead:

[nba_55]

okay well continue to be the tiny minority in thinking LBJ is the goat... all I'm saying is at least take a logic course in college and build a better argument

and like I said in my long post you can always see the arguments they will choose, either 1-9, some abstract stuff like rule changes, or the nike shield...
or my personal favorite which is another logical fallacy being the "nostalgia" argument

give me a break lol what makes that time any less of mine then the present?
I love the NBA then and I love the NBA now.. no nostalgia here

just overpowering stats along with 6 titles to go with the imprint he left on the league and pop culture

Stop acting like being in the minority is something bad. Hitler was hired by the majority, blacks were slaved by the majority, women were kept in houses by the majority. We have great arguments and great supports to those arguments. :applause: :applause: :applause:

[nba_55]

why am I debating with a child? Broyou got me!! im melting down right now! Im taking this L right now so heavy! 1-9

give me a break..

and cmon at least use a funny gif...there are millions online
https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8f30kKrEn1rbw6bto1_500.gif

[nba_55]

He should at least take off his pair of air Jordan's while he talks shit.

Let's face it. The gen Z kids never got to experience what it was like growing up with the GOAT of the sport, watching MJ play live ball and dominate as we sported the first pair of air Jordan's to ever come out on the court. Such things are reserved for those who were privileged enough to enjoy them. Hell they didn't even get to see Kobe play live! :lol Simply put, now is an inferior era for a kid to be the fan of the game. The best player of this era resorted to being a colluding, flopping, beta and only has 2 rings and needed to join Wade just to get those ones! It would so suck to have to be a fan of the game in this day and age without my previous MJ and Kobe live game watching experiences.

If you were a kid growing up with Kobe, at least you got to see a guy try and do all that he could to emulate MJ. Was Kobe the GOAT MJ? Hell no, but at least Kobe provided some entertainment for those kids and provided them with a better time to be a fan than what LBJ is doing for gen Z kids. Every time I talk about the days of watching MJ play live, kids who are sporting Jordan shoes today just drool and shit their pants and are like "you got to see MJ, Kobe, ANNNNNND LeBron play live on multiple occasions!? Do you want to be my new dad?!? All we have for a role model is a colluding beta that chases rings!" :lol :lol :hammerhead:

nostalgia kills progress!

[24-Inch_Chrome]

yeah it is just as annoying this way too... needs to stop throughout sports

I agree, though comparisons can at time be interesting depending on the athletes in question. It only gets bad when one side focuses more on tearing down the other than acknowledging the greatness of both.

[DFish24]

Lol @ stans deluding themselves thinking Bran actually has a case over Jordan. Dude is 2/5 playing with stacked casts in a weak conference. Aim lower and start arguing him over players like Magic, Duncan and Shaq first. At least then it becomes somewhat arguable.

[nba_55]

Lol @ stans deluding themselves thinking Bran actually has a case over Jordan. Dude is 2/5 playing with stacked casts in a weak conference. Aim lower and start arguing him over players like Magic, Duncan and Shaq first. At least then it becomes somewhat arguable.

Stacked cast that won 19 games without him and that are less than 0.400 without him. :applause: :applause:

[Straight_Ballin]

nostalgia kills progress!

No, it's your current superstar that is killing the progress.

Kobe was carrying the torch as best as he could from Jordan with a respectable 5/7 and 81 point game and ever since Bron's had the torch, he's shown the world nothing more than than 2/5 which required jumping ship to do so! Even if you don't count 2007, it's still 2/4 and he got bitch smacked by players like Jason Terry, Berea, and a 38 year old Duncan! How is that even remotely GOAT- like!?!

[nba_55]

No, it's your current superstar that is killing the progress.

Kobe was carrying the torch as best as he could from Jordan with a respectable 5/7 and 81 point game and ever since Bron's had the torch, he's shown the world nothing more than than 2/5 which required jumping ship to do so! :lol

All grannies say that. :oldlol:

[Straight_Ballin]

All grannies say that. :oldlol:

No, it's the kids who's parents didn't teach them the basics of what it takes to be an NBA GOAT that DON'T say that! I blame poor parenting. :lol

I love asking kids on the court who the GOAT is and when they reply with MJ, their dad just nods their head like "ya, my son knows what's up!"

[nba_55]

No, it's the kids who's parents didn't teach them the basics of what it takes to be an NBA GOAT that DON'T say that! I blame poor parenting. :lol

I love asking kids on the court who the GOAT is and when they reply with MJ, their dad just nods their head like "ya, my son knows what's up!"

You just proved my point. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Kvnzhangyay]

No, it's the kids who's parents didn't teach them the basics of what it takes to be an NBA GOAT that DON'T say that! I blame poor parenting. :lol

I love asking kids on the court who the GOAT is and when they reply with MJ, their dad just nods their head like "ya, my son knows what's up!"

Your probably like 12 :facepalm

[Straight_Ballin]

You just proved my point. :oldlol: :oldlol:

Nope, because the kids that claim Jordan is goat despite only having watch LBJ play live have a much better understanding of the game of basketball. Something you will learn with time. :lol

[nba_55]

Your probably like 12 :facepalm

When he was a kid, his parents brainwashed him into thinking MJ was the eternal GOAT, and he still hasn't recovered from that. That's what i got from his post.

[Straight_Ballin]

Your probably like 12 :facepalm

Stop confusing my age with where Lebron ranks on the all time list.

[Straight_Ballin]

When he was a kid, his parents brainwashed him into thinking MJ was the eternal GOAT, and he still hasn't recovered from that. That's what i got from his post.

:lol

Kids these days....

[Jud]

http://i.imgur.com/uxpcXDH.gif

[nba_55]

Stop confusing my age with where Lebron ranks on the all time list.

Oh god... :facepalm

[3ball]

isolations


isolations are a tougher, lower efficiency way to play the game - it's common knowledge that isolations result in tougher, more contested shots, not easier ones.. isolations make it harder for the offensive player, not easier.

regardless, teams in previous eras (Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Sixers, Jazz, etc.) ran some of the most beautiful offenses ever, and had some of the best ball movement the game has ever seen.

in today's game, the spacing and rule changes have opened up the middle of the floor and unclogged the paint, which has enhanced the effectiveness of ball movement - isolations are still used a lot, but the spacing and rule changes have made ball movement a better option than it used to be.

in previous eras, teams knew that isolations were a tougher, lower efficiency way to play the game, but the lack of spacing and clogged paint prevented ball movement from being as effective as it is today.

today, the spacing and open paint enhance the effectiveness of ball movement, so teams can get much higher quality shots that way, and don't have to go the tougher route and use isolations as often anymore.
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[TheMan]

OP is probably right. Almost anytime an athlete comes around whose record is GOAT-caliber he will be elevated past players from past due to biases involving recency, generations and simply the incentives of the press. At some point new stories need to be written. MJ's retirement will be closer to KAJ's retirement than it will be to LeBron's. MJ has retained his status as the public GOAT because no GOAT-caliber player appeared on the scene in the 2000's. Shaq had the talent but not the staying power and motivation. Kobe had the motivation and staying power but fell short in talent relative to GOAT-caliber players. LeBron James is the first serious threat to MJ as GOAT. If LeBron can finish with a resume comparable to MJ he will be crowned the public GOAT, similar to how MJ was crowned over KAJ, Wilt, Russell despite the other three--especially KAJ and Wilt--having strong cases. Ye MJ is presented as the unquestioned GOAT. LeBron will be too--provided he gets in the ballpark.

Keep in mind in 2010 there were whispers about Kobe vs. Jordan if Kobe kept wi:wtf: unning rings. He didn't and it faded away but if the media considered that with a player whose resume was not close to MJ's what do you think will happen with a guy who likely will retire with 5-7 MVP's and 4-5 rings?

One thing to watch is the "era" argument. MJ benefits from many writing of the 60's and 70's as irrelevant or weak. Will the same be done to the 80's and 90's? You are already seeing some of that occurring with the newer generation. A key argument against the 60's is the smaller talent pool but the same can be applied to MJ's era due to the lack of globalization then.

You 're insane if you think he gets anywhere close to 7 MVPs, lol. If he doesn't get one this year, I see one more tops as realistic, just because MJ won MVPs well into the 30s doesn't mean LeBron will too, lol. I don't know about titles, those are impossible to say, he could win a bunch from here on out or he might never win another one, depends on alot of factors. Kobe had 5 and everyone assumed he'd end up with more than MJ and he's not going to win another one as it stands now.

You act like MJ happened 50 years ago and there isn't videos, stats, reports and legends of what he accomplished. I have nephews who are into hoops and they tell me LeBron is good but not on MJ's level even if they weren't even born when MJ played. Just like in soccer (Pel

[Roundball_Rock]

Let's revisit this in the summer. If the Cavs win and LeBron has 3 rings at age 30 (as many as MJ at that point along with 1 more MVP) and the Cavs are poised to win more after this season the talk definitely will heat up. You are deluding yourself if you think this is a closed case or if you think LeBron is similar to Kobe. He is a much stronger candidate than Kobe ever was.

Yeah, MJ would vastly outpoll LeBron right now but that is before the media starts making a case for LeBron, which would tighten things up. LeBron has to take care of business on the court first but if he does the "LeBron vs. MJ" debate will ensue.

MJ isn't from ages ago like Wilt, Russell and prime KAJ but to an entire generation he is history to them. LeBron is their generation's transcendent player and they will be biased for LeBron like our generation is to MJ.

If Bonds was not tainted by cheating he would have had a strong case for GOAT.

We saw examples in recent years in football. In 2014 it was hype about whether Manning was the GOAT QB and this year it is whether Brady is the GOAT. This is simply how the media works. They need stories. What do you expect them to do? Run a story on Brady being #2 or #3 all-time? Plus Brady's greatness was seen recently; Montana has not played in over two decades.

[3ball]

Thru Age 29 - Playoffs:

Lebron: 28.0 PPG / 6.4 APG / 48.2% FG / 33.3% 3 PT

Jordan: 34.7 PPG / 6.6 APG / 50.2% FG / 35.2% 3 PT


Thru Age 29 - Finals:

Lebron: 24.1 PPG / 6.3 APG / 46.1% FG / 30.1% 3 PT

Jordan: 36.3 PPG / 7.9 APG / 52.6% FG / 40.7% 3 PT


Jordan averages 25% and 50% more scoring in the playoffs and Finals, respectively, AND averages more assists... on better efficiency from both 2 and 3-point range.. there is no comparison here

[Roundball_Rock]

Thru Age 29 - Playoffs:

Lebron: 28.0 PPG / 6.4 APG / 48.2% FG / 33.3% 3 PT

Jordan: 34.7 PPG / 6.6 APG / 50.2% FG / 35.2% 3 PT


Thru Age 29 - Finals:

Lebron: 24.1 PPG / 6.3 APG / 46.1% FG / 30.1% 3 PT

Jordan: 36.3 PPG / 7.9 APG / 52.6% FG / 40.7% 3 PT


Jordan averages 25% and 50% more scoring in the playoffs and Finals, respectively, AND averages more assists... on better efficiency from both 2 and 3-point range.. there is no comparison here

Through age 29

Rings: MJ 2, LeBron 2
MVP's: LeBron 4, MJ 3
FMVP: LeBron 2, MJ 2
Finals: LeBron 5, MJ 2
ECF's: LeBron 6, MJ 4
ECSF's: LeBron 9, MJ 5
DPOY: MJ 1, LeBron 0
All-NBA 1st team: LeBron 8, MJ 7
ROY: both were ROY
All-Defense 1st team: MJ 5, LeBron 5
Best record: LeBron 3, MJ 1
Losing seasons: MJ 3, LeBron 1
Missed playoffs: LeBron 2, MJ 0
First round losses: MJ 3, LeBron 0

[LBJFTW]

Let's revisit this in the summer. If the Cavs win and LeBron has 3 rings at age 30 (as many as MJ at that point along with 1 more MVP) and the Cavs are poised to win more after this season the talk definitely will heat up. You are deluding yourself if you think this is a closed case or if you think LeBron is similar to Kobe. He is a much stronger candidate than Kobe ever was.

Yeah, MJ would vastly outpoll LeBron right now but that is before the media starts making a case for LeBron, which would tighten things up. LeBron has to take care of business on the court first but if he does the "LeBron vs. MJ" debate will ensue.

MJ isn't from ages ago like Wilt, Russell and prime KAJ but to an entire generation he is history to them. LeBron is their generation's transcendent player and they will be biased for LeBron like our generation is to MJ.

If Bonds was not tainted by cheating he would have had a strong case for GOAT.

We saw examples in recent years in football. In 2014 it was hype about whether Manning was the GOAT QB and this year it is whether Brady is the GOAT. This is simply how the media works. They need stories. What do you expect them to do? Run a story on Brady being #2 or #3 all-time? Plus Brady's greatness was seen recently; Montana has not played in over two decades.

You guys got to grow up watching anyone worth a shit.

Montana/Rice
MJ
Gretzky

Who do we get? Tiger woods. Gee.... thanks dad. :rant

[J Shuttlesworth]

You know all these Jordan/LeBron threads have a LOT of participation. They don't just get brushed off. The Jordan stans really care to defend their idol, and make their case, as do the LeBron stans.

That's a sign that LeBron is really sneaking his way up into the discussion. I don't think he's top 5 yet but he definitely has the potential to be. I'm not sure I could ever consider him greater than Jordan (I was a huge MJ fan as a kid) but it's good to see that LeBron is really in the discussion now, and not just brushed off as a non-factor.

Personally, I don't really count LeBron's failures against his legacy, just like I don't count Jordan's failures pre 3-peat against his legacy. I think it is possible that LeBron can achieve enough by the end of his career to be in the tier of guys like Kareem/MJ/Russell. Undisputed GOAT? Not likely, but retiring as top 3-4 would be an awesome feat

[beastee]

What will you do when it's 2/6 after this season. A 33% Finals winning percentage for the supposed new "GOAT"....:oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

You know all these Jordan/LeBron threads have a LOT of participation. They don't just get brushed off. The Jordan stans really care to defend their idol, and make their case, as do the LeBron stans.

That's a sign that LeBron is really sneaking his way up into the discussion. I don't think he's top 5 yet but he definitely has the potential to be. I'm not sure I could ever consider him greater than Jordan (I was a huge MJ fan as a kid) but it's good to see that LeBron is really in the discussion now, and not just brushed off as a non-factor.

Personally, I don't really count LeBron's failures against his legacy, just like I don't count Jordan's failures pre 3-peat against his legacy. I think it is possible that LeBron can achieve enough by the end of his career to be in the tier of guys like Kareem/MJ/Russell. Undisputed GOAT? Not likely, but retiring as top 3-4 would be an awesome feat

Co-sign. :applause:

Just look at ISH a few years ago. LeBron vs. Jordan was not a debate--and MJ stans actually were pro-LeBron. Now that he is a clear and rising threat they are obsessed with him in a way they never were even with Kobe. LeBron is 30 and on a team that can contend for titles for the next few years. They are shook. :oldlol: It will only get worse as LeBron adds to his resume. Can you imagine this summer on ISH if LeBron wins his 3rd ring?

[Millslapped]

What will you do when it's 2/6 after this season. A 33% Finals winning percentage for the supposed new "GOAT"....:oldlol:
who's the girl shooting in ur avy?

[TheMan]

Let's revisit this in the summer. If the Cavs win and LeBron has 3 rings at age 30 (as many as MJ at that point along with 1 more MVP) and the Cavs are poised to win more after this season the talk definitely will heat up. You are deluding yourself if you think this is a closed case or if you think LeBron is similar to Kobe. He is a much stronger candidate than Kobe ever was.

Yeah, MJ would vastly outpoll LeBron right now but that is before the media starts making a case for LeBron, which would tighten things up. LeBron has to take care of business on the court first but if he does the "LeBron vs. MJ" debate will ensue.

MJ isn't from ages ago like Wilt, Russell and prime KAJ but to an entire generation he is history to them. LeBron is their generation's transcendent player and they will be biased for LeBron like our generation is to MJ.

If Bonds was not tainted by cheating he would have had a strong case for GOAT.

We saw examples in recent years in football. In 2014 it was hype about whether Manning was the GOAT QB and this year it is whether Brady is the GOAT. This is simply how the media works. They need stories. What do you expect them to do? Run a story on Brady being #2 or #3 all-time? Plus Brady's greatness was seen recently; Montana has not played in over two decades.
Dude, I ain't ancient, and I grew up thinking Ruth, who played more than half a century before I was born, as the GOAT because of the legends, HRs and titles he won with the Yankees. He is still seen as the GOAT to kids learning the game of baseball. You assume LeBron will be beasting for years to come, I don't see it. I think we've already seen the best of him, he's a step slower now than in his peak. Alot of folks don't even consider him the best player today, I still think he is but it's not head and shoulders above the rest like it was a couple of years ago.

Believe me, he has maybe one more MVP season in him, I just don't see 3 more like you do, lol. Players get older, he's already 30 and new players come in and take their place. It happens to everyone.

[AirBourne92]

lebron is the first player to have a traveling compilation mix on youtube

foh with that goat chit

[3ball]

Thru Age 29 - Playoffs:

Lebron: 28.0 PPG / 6.4 APG / 48.2% FG / 33.3% 3 PT

Jordan: 34.7 PPG / 6.6 APG / 50.2% FG / 35.2% 3 PT


Thru Age 29 - Finals:

Lebron: 24.1 PPG / 6.3 APG / 46.1% FG / 30.1% 3 PT

Jordan: 36.3 PPG / 7.9 APG / 52.6% FG / 40.7% 3 PT




Through age 29

Rings: MJ 2, LeBron 2
MVP's: LeBron 4, MJ 3
FMVP: LeBron 2, MJ 2
Finals: LeBron 5, MJ 2
ECF's: LeBron 6, MJ 4
ECSF's: LeBron 9, MJ 5
DPOY: MJ 1, LeBron 0
All-NBA 1st team: LeBron 8, MJ 7
ROY: both were ROY
All-Defense 1st team: MJ 5, LeBron 5
Best record: LeBron 3, MJ 1
Losing seasons: MJ 3, LeBron 1
Missed playoffs: LeBron 2, MJ 0
First round losses: MJ 3, LeBron 0
the number of trophies looks pretty close between the two.

but for MJ to get his trophies, he had to average 50% more scoring in the Finals, average more assists, and shoot much better.

jordan had to to A LOT MORE for his trophies, which is part of the reason he's considered much better.
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[K Xerxes]

You know all these Jordan/LeBron threads have a LOT of participation. They don't just get brushed off. The Jordan stans really care to defend their idol, and make their case, as do the LeBron stans.

That's a sign that LeBron is really sneaking his way up into the discussion. I don't think he's top 5 yet but he definitely has the potential to be. I'm not sure I could ever consider him greater than Jordan (I was a huge MJ fan as a kid) but it's good to see that LeBron is really in the discussion now, and not just brushed off as a non-factor.

Personally, I don't really count LeBron's failures against his legacy, just like I don't count Jordan's failures pre 3-peat against his legacy. I think it is possible that LeBron can achieve enough by the end of his career to be in the tier of guys like Kareem/MJ/Russell. Undisputed GOAT? Not likely, but retiring as top 3-4 would be an awesome feat

LeBron's 2011 should certainly count against his legacy. As should his 2010 quit job, although to a lesser extent. I agree that other years shouldn't count against him, just as Jordan's pre rings losses. But Jordan never had failures like those two. So LeBron is already playing catch up, and even if he is marginally still on the right track at the age of 29 in terms of accomplishments, it's unlikely that he can replicate Jordan's success after 30. As a player, it's clear to me that Jordan was better. In terms of overall resume, I don't see LeBron catching up. No shame at all in that, but the comparisons have no place.

[Roundball_Rock]

Any top 5 player has a shot at MVP if circumstances fall in his favor. LeBron will be a top 5 player for several more seasons. I can see LeBron winning 1 or 2 more MVP's. Rings are hard to say but Cleveland has a shot to remain a strong contender for the next 4-5 years. By the end of that time LeBron will probably be a borderline top 5 player or "just" a top 10 player but Love will be in his peak and Irving entering his peak.

If you are correct that LeBron is essentially done, or will be soon, then he will fade away just like Shaq and Kobe did as a GOAT candidate but he is 30 and still the best player in the league on a team that has as good a chance at winning the championship as anyone right now.

[TheMan]

Co-sign. :applause:

Just look at ISH a few years ago. LeBron vs. Jordan was not a debate--and MJ stans actually were pro-LeBron. Now that he is a clear and rising threat they are obsessed with him in a way they never were even with Kobe. LeBron is 30 and on a team that can contend for titles for the next few years. They are shook. :oldlol: It will only get worse as LeBron adds to his resume. Can you imagine this summer on ISH if LeBron wins his 3rd ring?
Believe me, I aint "shook". The reason I get into these debates is because it bugs me that people want to compare an inferior player to a superior player. I've seen both their primes, LeBron is a helluva player but he isn't on MJ's level, sorry. You know this too, you've said as much in other posts but you'll happily put LeBron over Jordan even if you know that's not true because for some unknown reason you despise him. You are being intellectually dishonest doing so but hey that's you so whatever.

If he gets his 3rd ring, he'd only be half way to matching Jordan :confusedshrug:

[Roundball_Rock]

Believe me, I aint "shook". The reason I get into these debates is because it bugs me that people want to compare an inferior player to a superior player. I've seen both their primes, LeBron is a helluva player but he isn't on MJ's level, sorry. You know this too, you've said as much in other posts but you'll happily put LeBron over Jordan even if you know that's not true because for some unknown reason you despise him. You are being intellectually dishonest doing so but hey that's you so whatever.

If he gets his 3rd ring, he'd only be half way to matching Jordan :confusedshrug:

:coleman:

When have I put LeBron over Jordan?

The 3rd ring itself won't be a big deal. It would be the implication that he could win even more before it is all said and done. If CLE wins this year they would be favorites to repeat.

[Vienceslav]

10 page thread actually discussing this.:roll:
Never change ISH.:rockon:

[STATUTORY]

Co-sign. :applause:

Just look at ISH a few years ago. LeBron vs. Jordan was not a debate--and MJ stans actually were pro-LeBron. Now that he is a clear and rising threat they are obsessed with him in a way they never were even with Kobe. LeBron is 30 and on a team that can contend for titles for the next few years. They are shook. :oldlol: It will only get worse as LeBron adds to his resume. Can you imagine this summer on ISH if LeBron wins his 3rd ring?

MJ fans were never obsessed with Kobe? come on son, you forgetting how emotionally invested those stans were in their anti kobe agenda

it's the same debate, just switching lebron out with kobe

[Le Shaqtus]

Oh god, Jordan stans are getting ethered so bad these days. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: Another win for the Lebron family!

http://s27.postimg.org/fqhh0eik3/Le_Bron_Family.png

Oh my God there's an insignia for this thing too?

This is the gayest thing ever.

[sportjames23]

*ahem*

You were saying, OP?

[guy]

3-11 at the line. Completely bricks 2 FTs to tie and win the game. In bounds ball for game-winning attempt. Not enough help. Bad coaching. GOAT. Better then Jordan.

:oldlol:

[guy]

Co-sign. :applause:

Just look at ISH a few years ago. LeBron vs. Jordan was not a debate--and MJ stans actually were pro-LeBron. Now that he is a clear and rising threat they are obsessed with him in a way they never were even with Kobe. LeBron is 30 and on a team that can contend for titles for the next few years. They are shook. :oldlol: It will only get worse as LeBron adds to his resume. Can you imagine this summer on ISH if LeBron wins his 3rd ring?

:roll:

[Foster5k]

LeBron 3-11 free throws.

Yep, Jordan still the GOAT.

[Straight_Ballin]

Lebald beta can't even secure mvp over harden, yet people trying to compare this guy to MJ? gtfo...

[Blue&Orange]

Kobe had the motivation and staying power but fell short in talent relative to GOAT-caliber players. LeBron James is the first serious threat to MJ as GOAT.
These retards don't even remember what happened a few years ago, how Kobe was being hailed as the GOAT and not just by some losers on some forum like it's the case with Lebron. And they want to talk about Jordan.

[Ca$H]

Bran isn't even the consensus GOAT King James anymore:

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-01-at-4.31.17-PM.png

[Optimus Prime]

MJ > Kobe >>> LeBron

6/6 > 2/5
5/7 > 2/5

Two of them were alphas who devoted themselves to being the best and beating the rest. The other one was a ring chasing beta with a completely media manufactured "greatness".

:kobe:

[Derka]

Go to bed, OP. You're drunk.

[Joyner82reload]

Boy OP, you sure picked the right day to make this thread :lol

Did Konex make a post in this thread agreeing?

[KungFuJoe]

LOL LeChoke.

Did you see Lebron walk by Beverley after their scuffle...bev didn't budge and Lebron moved his shoulder waaaay out of the way to avoid contact.

So beta. So ****ing beta.

[sportjames23]

OP on suicide watch. :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Oh my God there's an insignia for this thing too?

This is the gayest thing ever.


agreed

[TheMan]

LOL LeChoke.

Did you see Lebron walk by Beverley after their scuffle...bev didn't budge and Lebron moved his shoulder waaaay out of the way to avoid contact.

So beta. So ****ing beta.
I've always said that as big and physically imposing as LeBron is on the outside, he's soft on the inside. He is a nonconfrontational kind of guy. He's fortunate he didn't play in the rough and tumble 80s and 90s because there were some mean SOBs like Antony Mason, Rick Mahorn, Charles Oakley, Zo, Xavier McDaniel, Bill Laimbeer, Kevin McHale, Dennis Rodman etc that would not only knock you on your ass if you got in the paint, they'd get in your grill and would get you off your game mentally...

LeBron would be shook like a young Pippen against these dudes.

It takes an alpha like MJ to stand your ground against these dudes.

http://www.sportsdouchebags.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/michael-jordan-xavier-mcdaniel.gif

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4wLW2UwkcG4/hqdefault.jpg

Notice MJ saying fck you to the XMan in the gif, :oldlol:

[Angel Face]

good shit OP. :roll:

[STATUTORY]

Notice MJ saying fck you to the XMan in the gif, :oldlol:


Lebron would responded with a flop like MJ was literally spitting fire

[warriorfan]

I've always said that as big and physically imposing as LeBron is on the outside, he's soft on the inside. He is a nonconfrontational kind of guy. He's fortunate he didn't play in the rough and tumble 80s and 90s because there were some mean SOBs like Antony Mason, Rick Mahorn, Charles Oakley, Zo, Xavier McDaniel, Bill Laimbeer, Kevin McHale, Dennis Rodman etc that would not only knock you on your ass if you got in the paint, they'd get in your grill and would get you off your game mentally...

LeBron would be shook like a young Pippen against these dudes.

It takes an alpha like MJ to stand your ground against these dudes.

http://www.sportsdouchebags.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/michael-jordan-xavier-mcdaniel.gif

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4wLW2UwkcG4/hqdefault.jpg

Notice MJ saying fck you to the XMan in the gif, :oldlol:


:oldlol:


LeShook would be like :lebroncry: or maybe try to dance with them

[Collie]

I've always said that as big and physically imposing as LeBron is on the outside, he's soft on the inside. He is a nonconfrontational kind of guy. He's fortunate he didn't play in the rough and tumble 80s and 90s because there were some mean SOBs like Antony Mason, Rick Mahorn, Charles Oakley, Zo, Xavier McDaniel, Bill Laimbeer, Kevin McHale, Dennis Rodman etc that would not only knock you on your ass if you got in the paint, they'd get in your grill and would get you off your game mentally...

LeBron would be shook like a young Pippen against these dudes.

It takes an alpha like MJ to stand your ground against these dudes.

http://www.sportsdouchebags.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/michael-jordan-xavier-mcdaniel.gif

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4wLW2UwkcG4/hqdefault.jpg

Notice MJ saying fck you to the XMan in the gif, :oldlol:

The Xman was a scary dude. I remember he choked Wes Matthews dad, and the guy looked terrified.

[Beastmode88]

OP and his alts on suicide watch. :oldlol:

FTFY :cheers: :cheers:

[Sarcastic]

The Xman was a scary dude. I remember he choked Wes Matthews dad, and the guy looked terrified.


http://d39ya49a1fwv14.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/280949_web_topeka_photographers_175_soltes_choke.j pg

More than just a scary dude. He had Pippen shook in the 1992 playoffs. If he didn't leave as a free agent afterwards, I legitimately believe the Knicks would've beat the Bulls in 1993.

[Smoke117]

God damn...jordan stans are so fragile. You say anyone did anything (i'd like to say better, but they might have a stroke) close to him and they shit their pants. No other fans more shook than Jordan fans...as all those records and accomplishments...fade away...ouch.

[Sarcastic]

God damn...jordan stans are so fragile. You say anyone did anything (i'd like to say better, but they might have a stroke) close to him and they shit their pants. No other fans more shook than Jordan fans...as all those records and accomplishments...fade away...ouch.


It's kinda like when people say the earth is flat, the people who know the earth is round will come to its roundness' defense because how preposterous the claim is.

[warriorfan]

It's kinda like when people say the earth is flat, the people who know the earth is round will come to its roundness' defense because how preposterous the claim is.


LeBron Family: The Earth Is Flat!

Normal People: Uhhh, pretty sure the Earth is Round...

LeBron Family: Didn't even say anything about round, you guys are scared.

[sportjames23]

http://d39ya49a1fwv14.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/280949_web_topeka_photographers_175_soltes_choke.j pg

More than just a scary dude. He had Pippen shook in the 1992 playoffs. If he didn't leave as a free agent afterwards, I legitimately believe the Knicks would've beat the Bulls in 1993.


Man, I was relieved when that ***** left NY. :oldlol:

One of the two biggest trades/free agent departures that helped the Bulls (the other being Cleveland stupidly trading away Ron Harper for the rights to Danny Ferry back at the beginning of the 1989-1990 season).

[kamil]

:oldlol:


LeShook would be like :lebroncry: or maybe try to dance with them

He'd run away, like this:

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/lebronsprint_original.gif

[Milbuck]

http://d39ya49a1fwv14.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/280949_web_topeka_photographers_175_soltes_choke.j pg
I wish I was old enough to watch this shit live. Wish Metta would come back and do something like this to a star player, can't even imagine how someone like Lebron or KD would react. Harden might actually piss himself.

[sportjames23]

X had no ****s to give.

[SouBeachTalents]

I guess OP truly is a devoted LeBron stan, he has as many red bars as LeBron had missed free throws today

[Prime_Shaq]

You know all these Jordan/LeBron threads have a LOT of participation. They don't just get brushed off. The Jordan stans really care to defend their idol, and make their case, as do the LeBron stans.

That's a sign that LeBron is really sneaking his way up into the discussion. I don't think he's top 5 yet but he definitely has the potential to be. I'm not sure I could ever consider him greater than Jordan (I was a huge MJ fan as a kid) but it's good to see that LeBron is really in the discussion now, and not just brushed off as a non-factor.

Personally, I don't really count LeBron's failures against his legacy, just like I don't count Jordan's failures pre 3-peat against his legacy. I think it is possible that LeBron can achieve enough by the end of his career to be in the tier of guys like Kareem/MJ/Russell. Undisputed GOAT? Not likely, but retiring as top 3-4 would be an awesome feat
Exactly how I feel. I feel there are no middle ground fans on this board regarding LeBron. Its either they overrate him too much or severely underrate him.

[TheMan]

Man, I was relieved when that ***** left NY. :oldlol:

One of the two biggest trades/free agent departures that helped the Bulls (the other being Cleveland stupidly trading away Ron Harper for the rights to Danny Ferry back at the beginning of the 1989-1990 season).
Yeah, that dude had me as shook as he had Pippen :oldlol:

[Collie]

I guess OP truly is a devoted LeBron stan, he has as many red bars as LeBron had missed free throws today

It's true! :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

Someone put an A.P.B. out on Dragic.

[Dragic4Life]

1 game is suppose to taint Lebron's legacy now?:oldlol:

GTFO kids, when Lebron wins his third ring/FMVP. There is no argument.

[Roundball_Rock]

MJ stans reduced to celebrating missed FT's in a regular season game--that is how shook LeBron has them. :lol

[sportjames23]

1 game is suppose to taint Lebron's legacy now?:oldlol:

GTFO kids, when Lebron wins his third ring/FMVP. There is no argument.


http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ba/ba886e3a8b7ead066256fc13bbceab5c22c6fe924e1fe30398 06c73bb7621178.jpg

[sportjames23]

MJ stans reduced to celebrating missed FT's in a regular season game--that is how shook LeBron has them. :lol


This fggt here. :facepalm

Your boy is the most mentally weak star in NBA history.

[TheMan]

MJ stans reduced to celebrating missed FT's in a regular season game--that is how shook LeBron has them. :lol
Lol

EVERYONE (even Cavs fans like CavaliersFTW) was clowning LBJ for that embarrassing show yesterday yet all you see is MJ "stans"...seems like it's his fans that are in your cranium 24/7. You seem to be the one who's shook if anything :oldlol:

BTW, I did at first get on LBJ for losing that game (mostly just to troll fggot ass LeStans) but later on I was defending him against claims that he's never been clutch...yeah but I'm "shook"...

[plowking]

I don't really care for the discussion going on too much, but with the make up of each team, and I'm talking about Jordan's Bulls and Lebron previously on the Heat, does anyone really think that the Heat could win a series while Lebron shoots 39% in a series like MJ did?
How about even 41%?

The only fault on Lebron's near flawless career is his 2011 finals. You can't blame him for 07 since no one thought they'd be close to getting to the finals, and last year was everyone but him to blame.

People have this image of Jordan always playing perfect built into their head, when it really isn't true. If anything, I'd say Bron was the more consistent player in terms of giving you close to his averages every night.

[tontoz]

1 game is suppose to taint Lebron's legacy now?:oldlol:

GTFO kids, when Lebron wins his third ring/FMVP. There is no argument.


Taint it? More like confirm it.

[TheMan]

I don't really care for the discussion going on too much, but with the make up of each team, and I'm talking about Jordan's Bulls and Lebron previously on the Heat, does anyone really think that the Heat could win a series while Lebron shoots 39% in a series like MJ did?
How about even 41%?

The only fault on Lebron's near flawless career is his 2011 finals. You can't blame him for 07 since no one thought they'd be close to getting to the finals, and last year was everyone but him to blame.

People have this image of Jordan always playing perfect built into their head, when it really isn't true. If anything, I'd say Bron was the more consistent player in terms of giving you close to his averages every night.
I agree...dude LOVES his stats
http://www.albany.com/byesline/check%20my%20stats2.jpg

[Roundball_Rock]

Lol

EVERYONE (even Cavs fans like CavaliersFTW) was clowning LBJ for that embarrassing show yesterday yet all you see is MJ "stans"...seems like it's his fans that are in your cranium 24/7. You seem to be the one who's shook if anything :oldlol:

CavaliersFTW is a Cavs fan who hates LeBron, his franchise's greatest player. Sound familiar?




People have this image of Jordan always playing perfect built into their head, when it really isn't true. If anything, I'd say Bron was the more consistent player in terms of giving you close to his averages every night.

Nah. MJ's consistency and reliability is a major reason why he is co-GOAT with KAJ for me. He definitely bests LeBron in these things.

[GreggPopazit]

http://a1.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/RSN/Ohio/2014/12/30/123014-FSO-NBA-LeBron-James-Cavs.vadapt.620.high.0.jpg

Make way for the new GOAT.

Ridiculous.

[dynasty1978]

I don't really care for the discussion going on too much, but with the make up of each team, and I'm talking about Jordan's Bulls and Lebron previously on the Heat, does anyone really think that the Heat could win a series while Lebron shoots 39% in a series like MJ did?
How about even 41%?

The only fault on Lebron's near flawless career is his 2011 finals. You can't blame him for 07 since no one thought they'd be close to getting to the finals, and last year was everyone but him to blame.

People have this image of Jordan always playing perfect built into their head, when it really isn't true. If anything, I'd say Bron was the more consistent player in terms of giving you close to his averages every night.

Near flawless?

Although he was pathetic in the 2011 Finals, many would argue that he was as bad or worse in the 2010 semis vs Boston (a series in which his team was again favored). I thought the quit was stronger in this series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6z1qm0HjKk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d-Mnfz6iB0

Dude was a mental midget, no shame in admitting it. It only took him 9 seasons to toughen up. :facepalm

[riseagainst]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

forgot to switch accounts?

:roll:

[Horde of Temujin]

Only as idiots such as the OP who are either too young or too dumb to realize MJ was the greatest outbreed and overpopulate the earth.

not to say that another one who is as great or greater will never come along. It just hasnt happened yet

[riseagainst]

retards actually think 3 rings and 3 fmvps > 6 rings and 6 fmvps. okay, these kids ain't even in kindergarten, don't even know simple quantitative comparisons.

:lol

[Height Freak]

Wake up. Stop living in the fairytale 90's. You're so drunk off nostalgia it's funny. The NBA duped you HARD. You're buying their narrative word for word. Start doing some independent research and for once in your life, THINK FOR YOURSELF.

Spoon-fed 90's kids.

don't mind me, but today's generation is the most spoon fed in human history.

Today's NBA has a fairy tale of it's own too, a different one from the 90's but a fairy tale none of the less. We are still buying the narritive today today, word for word.


P.S.

The game is on it's highest level today, you can see it even in the old guys eyes (MJ, Doctor J, Oscar Robertson, etc.)...they simply hate the fact that they're old and can't compete in today's league...they're dying to do it.

[oh the horror]

MJ stans reduced to celebrating missed FT's in a regular season game--that is how shook LeBron has them. :lol


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/horrorm0nez/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-03/71BF37D9-703A-4C58-BE98-6BB175D7ABF2.jpg

[oh the horror]

I don't really care for the discussion going on too much, but with the make up of each team, and I'm talking about Jordan's Bulls and Lebron previously on the Heat, does anyone really think that the Heat could win a series while Lebron shoots 39% in a series like MJ did?
How about even 41%?

The only fault on Lebron's near flawless career is his 2011 finals. You can't blame him for 07 since no one thought they'd be close to getting to the finals, and last year was everyone but him to blame.

People have this image of Jordan always playing perfect built into their head, when it really isn't true. If anything, I'd say Bron was the more consistent player in terms of giving you close to his averages every night.




You're smoking some good ass chemically enhanced super mutated weed if you believe Lebron has had a "near flawless" career.



Stop.

[Dragic4Life]

You're smoking some good ass chemically enhanced super mutated weed if you believe Lebron has had a "near flawless" career.



Stop.
What is your problem with Lebron?:facepalm

Statistically Lebron is flawless. He's going down as a top 3 player of all time locked.

Only factor is whether he's no. 3, 2, or 1.

[Roundball_Rock]

retards actually think 3 rings and 3 fmvps > 6 rings and 6 fmvps. okay, these kids ain't even in kindergarten, don't even know simple quantitative comparisons.

:lol

Russell the clear GOAT! :bowdown:

[magnax1]

Make a convincing argument that Bran is better than Bird before you get to MJ.

[ClipperRevival]

Lol.

[Foster5k]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Foster5k/lebron3111_zpsytnfcvdm.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Foster5k/media/lebron3111_zpsytnfcvdm.jpg.html)

[riseagainst]

Make a convincing argument that Bran is better than Bird before you get to MJ.

pretty much this

[guy]

I don't really care for the discussion going on too much, but with the make up of each team, and I'm talking about Jordan's Bulls and Lebron previously on the Heat, does anyone really think that the Heat could win a series while Lebron shoots 39% in a series like MJ did?
How about even 41%?

The only fault on Lebron's near flawless career is his 2011 finals. You can't blame him for 07 since no one thought they'd be close to getting to the finals, and last year was everyone but him to blame.

People have this image of Jordan always playing perfect built into their head, when it really isn't true. If anything, I'd say Bron was the more consistent player in terms of giving you close to his averages every night.

No offense, but did you actually watch Jordan play? Because I have a hard time thinking anyone that did would think that. Not necessarily that Jordan was more consistent numberswise, but there is really much of a difference at all.

The difference in consistency doesn't come in the stats. It comes more with what we expect from them at the end of games or in big games. Jordan was much more consistent with his effort in big games and in the clutch. With Lebron, in a close game we don't know if he'll actually want the ball and hit a game winner or if he'd opt to in bound the ball and is going to completely brick two clutch free throws like he did last night. In a big game, we don't know if we're going to get 2010 game 5 vs Boston or 2012 game 6 vs Boston when it comes to his effort.

As for your first point. Its kind of misleading. Lebron rarely would ever shoot that much anyway if he was shooting that badly because first off he's protective of his FG% and second, he had better offensive teammates he can go to as options. Plus, just cause it didn't happen doesn't mean it couldn't happen. People don't realize this but in that 2007 Finals run that he's so praised for, Lebron shot 41%. Unless you think those 2007 Cavs were better then the 2011-2014 Heat, which no one would argue, or their makeup makes that much of a difference, I don't see why he couldn't. And by the way, its very hard to imagine the Bulls winning 2 games in a series against one of the elite teams in the 90s with Jordan averaging less than 20 ppg and less than 20 FGA per game.

[sportjames23]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Foster5k/lebron3111_zpsytnfcvdm.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Foster5k/media/lebron3111_zpsytnfcvdm.jpg.html)


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[sportjames23]

No offense, but did you actually watch Jordan play? Because I have a hard time thinking anyone that did would think that. Not necessarily that Jordan was more consistent numberswise, but there is really much of a difference at all.

The difference in consistency doesn't come in the stats. It comes more with what we expect from them at the end of games or in big games. Jordan was much more consistent with his effort in big games and in the clutch. With Lebron, in a close game we don't know if he'll actually want the ball and hit a game winner or if he'd opt to in bound the ball and is going to completely brick two clutch free throws like he did last night. In a big game, we don't know if we're going to get 2010 game 5 vs Boston or 2012 game 6 vs Boston when it comes to his effort.

As for your first point. Its kind of misleading. Lebron rarely would ever shoot that much anyway if he was shooting that badly because first off he's protective of his FG% and second, he had better offensive teammates he can go to as options. Plus, just cause it didn't happen doesn't mean it couldn't happen. People don't realize this but in that 2007 Finals run that he's so praised for, Lebron shot 41%. Unless you think those 2007 Cavs were better then the 2011-2014 Heat, which no one would argue, or their makeup makes that much of a difference, I don't see why he couldn't. And by the way, its very hard to imagine the Bulls winning 2 games in a series against one of the elite teams in the 90s with Jordan averaging less than 20 ppg and less than 20 FGA per game.


:cheers:

[Straight_Ballin]

Make a convincing argument that Bran is better than Bird before you get to MJ.

I have yet to see a convincing argument that Bran is even better than Pippen to be honest. :confusedshrug:

[warriorfan]

lebron isn't even that good

[ClipperRevival]

LeBron going 2/5 in the Finals pretty much eliminated his claim to the GOAT. At his peak, you can argue that LeBron might've been the most complete or most devastating two way player ever but that's different from where you rank on the ATG list. No way in hell can any objective, basketball fan put LeBron over MJ on the ATG list.

[HurricaneKid]

LeBron going 2/5 in the Finals pretty much eliminated his claim to the GOAT.

Just so we all understand this thought process, you are literally saying that if Jordan had singlehandedly beat the 86 Celtics and ended up losing in the Finals that his career would be worth LESS than it currently is?

Making the Finals is a GOOD thing. Not a bad thing. Certainly, its better to have won in the Finals that to have lost. But saying LeBron's career is worse for having singlehandedly beaten the Pistons in the ECF in 07 is a dumb thing to say. The fact that it is so commonly parroted is laughable.

[andgar923]

What some people don't grasp is why Bron gets criticized for going 2/5.

He gets criticized for HOW he played rather than the record itself.

If Bron was trying his hardest and killing it, not too many people would tease about it. But fact is, he shrunk time and time again. He rarely dominated and it was obvious for anybody with eyes that he ummm.... (how can I put this kindly).... didn't give it his all.

And deep down some Bron fans know this to be true. Their hero let them down by not giving it his all at all times.

He made big promises and failed to deliver.

On the flip side, it isn't so much that MJ went 6/6, it was HOW he did it. And even when his 'stats' didn't look impressive, no one could say he didn't give it his all.

[hahaitme]

http://i.imgur.com/50MR3za.jpg

[knicksman]

http://i.imgur.com/50MR3za.jpg

why is a role player being included in there?

[2010splash]

I've always said Jordan is a great player, probably top 3 all time, but LeBron is the best player to ever play the game.

[rmt]

retards actually think 3 rings and 3 fmvps > 6 rings and 6 fmvps. okay, these kids ain't even in kindergarten, don't even know simple quantitative comparisons.

:lol

Am I missing something here? Don't you mean 2 rings and 2 fmvps? He was one Ray Allen's 3 away from having only 1 ring - some GOAT that.

Lebron is FAR from clutch while MJ is the very definition of clutch.

[sportjames23]

I've always said Jordan is a great player, probably top 3 all time, but LeBron is the best player to ever play the game.

:facepalm

Really? After getting his face pushed in last year's Finals? After getting his the MVP and his name snatched from him by Harden?

[jayfan]

What is your problem with Lebron?:facepalm

Statistically Lebron is flawless. He's going down as a top 3 player of all time locked.

Only factor is whether he's no. 3, 2, or 1.

What separates great from legend has nothing to do with statistics.




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