I found where Dirk got his one-leg fadeaway

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/f50b0ca336c8a3ad11dcd1b5dbe7c326.gif


i doubt anyone is surprised dirk's move came from the GOAT.. :lol

dirk must have rewatched this a million times to perfect it.. credit jordan with dirk's 2011 championship.. 7/7... :pimp:

[brownmamba00]

:kobe:

[navy]

Jordan
I legit thought this was gonna be a George Mikan thread. Should have known. I should have known.

[ArbitraryWater]

Damn, 7/7? Looks like MJ lost in '06, no more perfect finals record :ohwell:

[Smook A.]

Hakeem was doing it too, back in the day :confusedshrug:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/585a4414ad3f58b7108c2408401db309/tumblr_mj9go7VYJ51renuivo1_500.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

Hakeem was doing it too, back in the day :confusedshrug:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/585a4414ad3f58b7108c2408401db309/tumblr_mj9go7VYJ51renuivo1_500.gif

yeah.. no.

[3ball]

Damn, 7/7? Looks like MJ lost in '06, no more perfect finals record :ohwell:
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/37e14be76521fe88c5ef58936167c2bc.gif

dirk didn't have the one-legged fadaway back in 2006.. youtube had just started as a company, so dirk hadn't gotten to see MJ highlights yet.

once dirk saw MJ footage on youtube (i'm guessing around 2009-2010), THAT'S when he developed the move... hence the championship in 2011.. :confusedshrug:

[Mikebball1]

what...people have been doing this for years

[SugarHill]

I love how much I hate you.

[Smook A.]

yeah.. no.
Uhh... ya. Not saying Dirk got his go-to move from Hakeem though.

[Rake2204]

Developed mine off Steve Francis' 63 point summer pro-am performance in the early 00's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOJSFki2qsA#t=0m9s

[3ball]

Hakeem was doing it too, back in the day :confusedshrug:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/585a4414ad3f58b7108c2408401db309/tumblr_mj9go7VYJ51renuivo1_500.gif


Hmmm... that's very interesting... Apparently Hakeem had the move in 1995....

But he's a center, so that doesn't count - centers always use moves that no one else uses.

Whereas, Jordan was the first WING player to do it... the first non-center to do it.

Also, one thing we know for certain is that MJ never paid Hakeem to train him on post moves - that would be ridiculous... can you even imagine Jordan doing that?... obviously, he wouldn't be the GOAT if he had done that.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Hmmm... that's very interesting... Apparently Hakeem had the move in 1995....

But he's a center, so that doesn't count - centers always use moves that no one else uses.

Whereas, Jordan was the first WING player to do it... the first non-center to do it.

Also, one thing we know for certain is that MJ never paid Hakeem to train him on post moves - that would be ridiculous... can you even imagine Jordan doing that?... obviously, he wouldn't be the GOAT if he had done that.

...

[Smook A.]

Hmmm... that's very interesting... Apparently Hakeem had the move in 1995....

But he's a center, so that doesn't count - centers always use moves that no one else uses.

Whereas, Jordan was the first WING player to do it... the first non-center to do it.

Also, one thing we know for certain is that MJ never paid Hakeem to train him on post moves - that would be ridiculous... can you even imagine Jordan doing that?... obviously, he wouldn't be the GOAT if he had done that.
I can name a shit ton of guards/forwards who use post moves to score

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I love how much I hate you.

:applause:

[Knicks101]

OP you like Jordan?

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/9cae1d8d0eb64b49b8e8fb68391686c0.gif


Jordan was the first non-center to use the move, and naturally, he had perfected it.

Jordan didn't need anyone to train him on the post.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bird's One-legged fadeway (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPgQy-_jEI4)

:pimp:

[3ball]

Bird's One-legged fadeway (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPgQy-_jEI4)

:pimp:
you got me... :yaohappy:

so Jordan is the SECOND non-center to do the move (that we know of).. the main point was to show that Jordan has perfected literally EVERY move.

can't **** with Bird tho.. and the way he did the move - just immediately off the catch, super-quick release... amazing.

that's one of the main advantages Bird has over Dirk (aside from having several times as many moves) - Dirk's release is slow as shit.

Dirk has a beautiful game, but compared to the more maleable Bird, he looks like a stick-figure-like, mechanical robot.

[Rizko]

http://s18.postimg.org/s82vivpjd/mjbak2.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[LBJFTW]

Damn it. Just when I wanted to not have to give credit to Jordan for Bron losing to Mavs, I come to realize that even 10 years later, Jordan still being used through Dirk to prevent Bron from another chip.

Damn that guy MJ was so smooth that he still has me shook after being retired for so long.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Anti-Jordan Troll confirmed:



dirk must have rewatched this a million times to perfect it.. credit jordan with dirk's 2011 championship.. 7/7... :pimp:
I am by no means a Dirk fan, I think he's overrated, his 2007 MVP was underserved and an embarrassing post season run, got locked up by Stephen Jackson, and his 67 win team got molly whopped in the 1st round by an 8th seed.

His 2011 run, and especially his Finals is massively overrated. Terry was their best offensive player for the majority of the Finals, and Chandler their best defender. Dirk was so bad the majority of game 6 getting carried by Terry and Stevenson.

And even though I'd see Jordan do the one legged fadeaway before, crediting him with Dirk's chip just wreaks of wanting people to not like Jordan through stan arrogance. You're bombarding these boards with obnoxious MJ topics daily to get people to hate him as you do. No other rational, sane explanation.

[K Xerxes]

Anti-Jordan Troll confirmed:


I am by no means a Dirk fan, I think he's overrated, his 2007 MVP was underserved and an embarrassing post season run, got locked up by Stephen Jackson, and his 67 win team got molly whopped in the 1st round by an 8th seed.

His 2011 run, and especially his Finals is massively overrated. Terry was their best offensive player for the majority of the Finals, and Chandler their best defender. Dirk was so bad the majority of game 6 getting carried by Terry and Stevenson.

And even though I'd see Jordan do the one legged fadeaway before, crediting him with Dirk's chip just wreaks of wanting people to not like Jordan through stan arrogance. You're bombarding these boards with obnoxious MJ topics daily to get people to hate him as you do. No other rational, sane explanation.

Called it yesterday dude. He's as bad as RR and other overt anti-Jordan idiots, he just does it differently.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://youtu.be/_B7jVTJ_CIE?t=21m51s

http://youtu.be/NHcrG6gfJhI?t=1m20s

Both Dirk and Michael Jordan were just using an old move that has been mastered by many players before them. By other superstars no less, like Gus Johnson and Wilt Chamberlain. It's no more a trademark of Dirk or MJ than it is to the older guys who shot it. MJ didn't invent a single move he used in basketball, he took all of it from other players.

[Smoke117]

Anti-Jordan Troll confirmed:


I am by no means a Dirk fan, I think he's overrated, his 2007 MVP was underserved and an embarrassing post season run, got locked up by Stephen Jackson, and his 67 win team got molly whopped in the 1st round by an 8th seed.

His 2011 run, and especially his Finals is massively overrated. Terry was their best offensive player for the majority of the Finals, and Chandler their best defender. Dirk was so bad the majority of game 6 getting carried by Terry and Stevenson.

And even though I'd see Jordan do the one legged fadeaway before, crediting him with Dirk's chip just wreaks of wanting people to not like Jordan through stan arrogance. You're bombarding these boards with obnoxious MJ topics daily to get people to hate him as you do. No other rational, sane explanation.

Who deserved it then?

[Kblaze8855]

I've seen Reggie Miller do it too. I'll gif it later

[SamuraiSWISH]

Called it yesterday dude. He's as bad as RR and other overt anti-Jordan idiots, he just does it differently.
These anti-Jordan trolls:

3_ball (School of Reverse Psychology Stanism)
Roundball_Rock (claims to be a Bulls fan, hates Jordan, no sense)
nba_55 (clown, but a troll)
mehyaM24 (his name is Mayhem spelled backwards for christ sakes)

And a few others, wouldn't be surprised if they're the same loser on multiple accounts.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Who deserved it then?
Not entirely sure.

Kobe was clearly the best player in the league at the time by the end of the season, after a slow start coming back from knee surgery. But didn't have the team record to get the media votes. Just like 2006. Even though he made the playoffs dragging trash into the Western Conference playoffs going on a 4x game string of 50+ points.

Wade was MVP, clearly, early in the season before he threw his shoulder out. Dude was putting up like 28/7/7 before injuring himself in Houston.

Dallas at the time was a well built machine, with ample talent, with Dirk spear heading things.

Maybe Nash? I think his 2007 was better than his 2005, and 2006.

[HylianNightmare]

Developed mine off Steve Francis' 63 point summer pro-am performance in the early 00's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOJSFki2qsA#t=0m9s
Wonder if he was already ****ed up then

[Smoke117]

Not entirely sure. Kobe was clearly the best player in the league at the time, but didn't have the team record to get the media votes. Just like 2006. Even though he made the playoffs dragging trash into the Western Conference playoffs going on a 4x game string of 50+ points. Wade was MVP, clearly, early in the season before he threw his shoulder out. Dallas at the time was a well built machine, with ample talent. Maybe Nash? I think his 2007 was better than his 2005, and 2006.

Get the **** out of here with that bullshit. Dirk was easily the MVP.

"I am by no means a Dirk fan"...no shit. You think?

[AirBourne92]

I love how much I hate you.


you sound like a depressed pooosy

[Roundball_Rock]

:oldlol: at being called a troll by a guy who got banned from ISH on his other account.

3ball in terms of his positions is no different than you SS and other hardcore MJ stans like OSB. He is annoying with his gifs but as a stan he is no less or no more extreme than you.

[ArbitraryWater]

Not entirely sure.

Kobe was clearly the best player in the league at the time by the end of the season, after a slow start coming back from knee surgery. But didn't have the team record to get the media votes. Just like 2006. Even though he made the playoffs dragging trash into the Western Conference playoffs going on a 4x game string of 50+ points.

Wade was MVP, clearly, early in the season before he threw his shoulder out. Dude was putting up like 28/7/7 before injuring himself in Houston.

Dallas at the time was a well built machine, with ample talent, with Dirk spear heading things.

Maybe Nash? I think his 2007 was better than his 2005, and 2006.

You'd rather have wanted Nash than Dirk?

Come on bro.. even in 2006 Dirk clearly had the best argument.

[StephHamann]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/f50b0ca336c8a3ad11dcd1b5dbe7c326.gif


i doubt anyone is surprised dirk's move came from the GOAT.. :lol

dirk must have rewatched this a million times to perfect it.. credit jordan with dirk's 2011 championship.. 7/7... :pimp:


Dirk basically says he saw it from Jordan and copied it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdNjSe_Wxus

OP spot on as always :applause:

Dirk learning from the best :applause: :applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

you got me... :yaohappy:

so Jordan is the SECOND non-center to do the move (that we know of).. the main point was to show that Jordan has perfected literally EVERY move.

can't **** with Bird tho.. and the way he did the move - just immediately off the catch, super-quick release... amazing.

that's one of the main advantages Bird has over Dirk (aside from having several times as many moves) - Dirk's release is slow as shit.

Dirk has a beautiful game, but compared to the more maleable Bird, he looks like a stick-figure-like, mechanical robot.
http://youtu.be/NHcrG6gfJhI?t=1m20s

Gus Johnson...

[Smoke117]

:oldlol: at being called a troll by a guy who got banned from ISH on his other account.

3ball in terms of his positions is no different than you SS and other hardcore MJ stans like OSB. He is annoying with his gifs but as a stan he is no less or no more extreme than you.

Wrong. There is a big difference between SS and 3ball. Swish doesn't go around making all kinds of obnoxious, idiotic, bait threads.

[SamuraiSWISH]

You'd rather have wanted Nash than Dirk?

Come on bro.. even in 2006 Dirk clearly had the best argument.
I honestly don't believe that ... and MVP's don't get punked like that in the 1st round. Come on bro.

[ArbitraryWater]

I honestly don't believe that ... and MVP's don't get punked like that in the 1st round. Come on bro.

2006 Dirk > Nash:

-Better team record
-Better player / better statistics than Nash
-Similar talent around him

And this is what you always like to add: Proved it more by carrying them deeper in the playoffs.

[Roundball_Rock]

Wrong. There is a big difference between SS and 3ball. Swish doesn't go around making all kinds of obnoxious, idiotic, bait threads.

Yes and Swish/OSB types don't spam every thread with gifs. However, in terms of their actual views there is not a dime's worth of difference among them. Notice you see them angry at 3ball for how he posts but not the substance of what he posts. This is not surprising since they agree with what he says.

[hitmanyr2k]

Dirk's favorite player when he was growing up.

http://i.imgur.com/lqmers8.gif

[Smoke117]

Yes and Swish/OSB types don't spam every thread with gifs. However, in terms of their actual views there is not a dime's worth of difference among them. Notice you see them angry at 3ball for how he posts but not the substance of what he posts. This is not surprising since they agree with what he says.

The whole point of discussion is that people have different opinions. Not everyone agrees with yours or mine on Pippen and frankly...I don't care for much of your basketball opinions unrelated to him. That's okay though...the whole point of a message board is discussion. If we all agreed with each other, we'd all be making these boring, fake, sugary bizil posts.

The thing that does annoy me is when people try to call their opinions facts. Just because YOU THINK Jordan is the greatest player of all time...doesn't make that fact. That's an opinion.

[Roundball_Rock]

Agreed. I just find it amusing that people like SS are calling 3ball a troll when 3ball mirrors their opinions. :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Agreed. I just find it amusing that people like SS are calling 3ball a troll when 3ball mirrors their opinions. :oldlol:
Being a troll is in presentation, and annoying consistency. Not message or opinion.

3ball and I agree on some things, and disagree on others. In this thread for instance, I had see MJ do a one leg fadeaway. He talks about LeBron like he's a bum, I have disagreed with him before.

I don't see how you could consider myself a troll, and yet not feel the same about yourself. You co-sign guys like mehyaM24 constantly. He's the very definition of attention seeking behavior. That's why he's here, and the reason for the usernam he picked. I'm not making constant Jordan threads, using GIFs, talking about era differences, or putting down current players constantly.

You on the other hand are consistently trying to throw shade at Jordan. Just last weekend for instance, which you later reneged on your comments saying you were dunk.

[Mrofir]

If you look closely at the video you'll see that MJ dribbles the basketball.

Dirk dribbles the ball literally every time he needs to move around on the court. It's amazing that this footage shows not one, but two ways in which Dirk blatantly copies MJ.

[Roundball_Rock]

I'll defer to your judgment on what constitutes trolling. :oldlol:

Why do you persist in lying about what I said? The drunk comment related to me being rude and laughing at people; not regarding what I said or the positions I took.

[3ball]

MJ didn't invent a single move he used in basketball, he took all of it from other players.



not true - look below... most people think the move below is just an ordinary jump-stop, but it's not...


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/9960f5df29be2a5e571e8dd8f82be6cc.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/ba9fd4268abc499427cdf0b22010e616.gif




it's the "Jordan Hop-Step" - an ingenious invention that straddles the line between legal and travelling better than any move i've ever seen.

however, the move is so difficult, only Jordan could do it.. i have tried to do the move and ended up laughing at myself - it's hard to get ANY elevation off the move... the only other guy i've seen do it is gerald green:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/04ec7bdaaeb88b263077180e5765d753.gif


i guess it requires goat genius (to come up with the move) AND goat hops.
.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'll defer to your judgment on what constitutes trolling. :oldlol:

Why do you persist in lying about what I said? The drunk comment related to me being rude and laughing at people; not regarding what I said or the positions I took.
So you stand by stupidity such as 1987 Jordan being the best version of Jordan because he averaged 37 ppg? Or that in this current league prime / peak Jordan wouldn't be averaging much more than current James Harden?

[Roundball_Rock]

So you stand by stupidity such as 1987 Jordan being the best version of Jordan because he averaged 37 ppg?

Once again you are lying. This is what trolling is. When have I said 87' Jordan was peak MJ? It is a consensus that his peak was from 1991-1993 and I have referenced that numerous times over 6 years.

I don't need to lie to own MJ stans. :pimp:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Once again you are lying. This is what trolling is. When have I said 87' Jordan was peak MJ? It is a consensus that his peak was from 1991-1993 and I have referenced that numerous times over 6 years.
Last week.

You didn't answer part 2. Prime Jordan wouldn't average over 30 ppg or close to 35 ppg on a bad team in today's league, when James Harden is putting up 27 ppg?

And yes you basically did, you used his '87 season as the case for being the best scoring version of Jordan only in the more free flowing 80s. Even though Jordan's Bulls were usually consistently last in the league in pace, which was more akin to 90's and 2000s ball.

Statistically '87 Jordan it would be true is his best scoring season, context, eye test and intelligence would say from an ability perspective '90 - '93 is the best version of Jordan.

Like would anyone use 2006 LeBron as both his peak, and the best he was from a scoring ability?

:facepalm


I don't need to lie to own MJ stans. :pimp:
Oh well, we all have never seen that ... but it's still awkward you claim to be a Bulls fan yet clearly despise Jordan. That doesn't mesh, which kind of makes your agenda in trolldom obvious.

Or as a Pippen stan, you're mad because he relegates Scottie Pippen to his natural life position as sidekick?

:confusedshrug:

[Roundball_Rock]

I called it his "peak statistical scoring season" or something like that--which is what you just also did. :lol

I said MJ would score 32-33 ppg.

Yeah, I have League Pass to watch Bulls games in Delaware yet I am not a Bulls fan. :roll: I just watch Bulls games regularly to maintain a secret spy cover on a website. Meanwhile, I rarely see MJ stans in Bulls game threads...

I will have to put you on ignore. You simply are unwilling or incapable of honest discussion.

[Dro]

Umm Wilt was doing the 1 legged, fadeaway, bank shot before these guys were even though of.......

[CavaliersFTW]

not true - look below... most people think the move below is just an ordinary jump-stop, but it's not...



it's the "Jordan Hop-Step" - an ingenious invention that straddles the line between legal and travelling better than any move i've ever seen.

however, the move is so difficult, only Jordan could do it.. i have tried to do the move and ended up laughing at myself - it's hard to get ANY elevation off the move... the only other guy i've seen do it is gerald green:



i guess it requires goat genius (to come up with the move) AND goat hops.
.
It's just an ordinary jump stop. Seriously.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I called it his "peak statistical scoring season" or something like that--which is what you just also did. :lol
No that's not all you said.


I said MJ would score 32-33 ppg.
Jordan was doing that on championship clubs with prime Pippen. On a bad team, which is what we were discussing ... prime / peak MJ could definitely average 35 to 37 points a game. Something you laughed at as if implausible. Maybe more in today's no touch league littered with great spacing.


Yeah, I have League Pass to watch Bulls games in Delaware yet I am not a Bulls fan. :roll: I just watch Bulls games regularly to maintain a secret spy cover on a website. Meanwhile, I rarely see MJ stans in Bulls game threads...
You dislike Jordan, your franchise's greatest player. You're not a Bulls fan. Great, a bandwagon fan from fuggin Delaware. I wonder how you even became such a bandwagon "diehard, MJ hating, Bulls fan"

:oldlol:


I will have to put you on ignore. You simply are unwilling or incapable of honest discussion.
That's fine. Everyone is aware and tired of your shtick anyway. You don't contribute much of note. Don't apologize to me later for being drunk.

[CavaliersFTW]

Umm Wilt was doing the 1 legged, fadeaway, bank shot before these guys were even though of.......
That's what I was trying to say. Then 3ball tried to specify "non-centers" so I posted Gus Johnson doing it.

Basketball moves didn't get invented in the 80's. The sport is way too old for that even regardless of constant rule changes the game was similar enough back in say, the 50's, that most moves that exist today can actually be found on film in the less than half a percent of 50's footage that exists on film from NCAA games to the few fragments of NBA clips that far back, let alone in the 1-2% of 60's footage that exists. There's a lot of "patented moves" from a variety of players we see playing today, or from the 80's or 90's who's moves were actually done by other prior generations of superstars. They just aren't associated with those moves by most fans today anymore because most fans today are young and never saw them.

[StephHamann]

That's what I was trying to say. Then 3ball tried to specify "non-centers" so I posted Gus Johnson doing it.

Basketball moves didn't get invented in the 80's. The sport is way too old for that even regardless of constant rule changes the game was similar enough back in say, the 50's, that most moves that exist today can actually be found on film in the less than half a percent of 50's footage that exists on film from NCAA games to the few fragments of NBA clips that far back, let alone in the 1-2% of 60's footage that exists. There's a lot of "patented moves" from a variety of players we see playing today, or from the 80's or 90's who's moves were actually done by other prior generations of superstars. They just aren't associated with those moves by most fans today anymore because most fans today are young and never saw them.

DIRK SAID HIMSELF Jordan inspired him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdNjSe_Wxus

[CavaliersFTW]

DIRK SAID HIMSELF Jordan inspired him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdNjSe_Wxus
That's great, so long as everybody understands Jordan did not invent nor was he the first to regularly use or take advantage of the move. He's just doing what was taught. I believe there's actually film of MJ talking to Elvin Hayes explaining how he's borrowing Elvin's turnarounds because he noticed Elvin having such success with them. Elvin probably mirrored Wilt. It all goes down the line.

[Sarcastic]

http://youtu.be/_B7jVTJ_CIE?t=21m51s

http://youtu.be/NHcrG6gfJhI?t=1m20s

Both Dirk and Michael Jordan were just using an old move that has been mastered by many players before them. By other superstars no less, like Gus Johnson and Wilt Chamberlain. It's no more a trademark of Dirk or MJ than it is to the older guys who shot it. MJ didn't invent a single move he used in basketball, he took all of it from other players.


Who did this before him?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m90qtjujHz1rnt56ho1_400.gif

Who can do it since?

[CavaliersFTW]

Who did this before him?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m90qtjujHz1rnt56ho1_400.gif

Who can do it since?
The MJ mystique strikes again.

That's an up and under followed by a reverse layup. Those are basic fundamental basketball moves. The difficult bit is that he executes both whle airborne but that's not a move, that's athleticism. Now who could do those in the air? Elgin Baylor would have been the first superstar to be seen doing those. Gus Johnson, Dr. J, Connie Hawkins, etc.

You guys really can't think MJ does things nobody ever thought of before can you? He's got great athleticism so obviously he has more options to stretch the fundamentals (for example, instead of staying on his feet he can do an up and under reverse layup in the air)... but those are BASIC fundamental things he's doing. I swear none of you have seen Dr. J's hang time. Once this Cavs game is over I'll upload some clips I can only tolerate so much Jordan jocking. Top 4 player all-time in my book with Wilt Russell and Jabbar, and the best non-center of all time. But he did not INVENT moves, he mirrored moves. He was a pretty fundamentally sound player - but he was athletic and liked to please crowds so he had a bit of David Thompson and Doctor J in his above-the-floor game but even all of those movements he does are mirror images of guys that came before him.

[GreggPopazit]

Of course Dirk wasn't the first to do it. Jordan wasn't either. The thing is, Dirk is the only one to use it consistently.

[CavaliersFTW]

Of course Dirk wasn't the first to do it. Jordan wasn't either. The thing is, Dirk is the only one to use it consistently.
Also untrue... Nor is he the first high profile player to do it.

Wilt Chamberlain made a career doing it, with regularity. So did Gus Johnson.

[GreggPopazit]

Also untrue... Nor is he the first high profile player to do it.

Wilt Chamberlain made a career doing it, with regularity. So did Gus Johnson.

Cool. Do you have video evidence of them doing this frequently?

[SamuraiSWISH]

CavaliersFTW never saw Wilt. He's like a mid 20s dork from Cleveland.

[kurple]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/f50b0ca336c8a3ad11dcd1b5dbe7c326.gif


i doubt anyone is surprised dirk's move came from the GOAT.. :lol

dirk must have rewatched this a million times to perfect it.. credit jordan with dirk's 2011 championship.. 7/7... :pimp:
maybe he just tried in practice when he was younger, and it became one of his best weapons?

doubt he "stole" it from MJ.


Dirk aint like us. He didnt spend all his time on a ****ing message board. He was to busy being in the gym

[CavaliersFTW]

Cool. Do you have video evidence of them doing this frequently?
I already posted the links. You can watch both of those videos in entirety start to finish, as it is every single one of their career field goals that exists on film.

You'll notice multiple examples of both of them shooting the one legged fade away, from either block.

It's on you whether or not you choose to watch the film but the evidence is there.

About 28 games worth of baskets from Wilt (2.4% of his career), and about 5 or 6 from Gus Johnson. (less than half a percent of his career)

If those are at all reflective of their career averages, both made a one legged fade away shot once or twice a game - and probably attempted them 2-4 times a game.

[kurple]

does people really give a shit about who did it first? Dirk is the best at it, thats all that matter IMO

[CavaliersFTW]

CavaliersFTW never saw Wilt. He's like a mid 20s dork from Cleveland.
You never saw MJ's dick, yet you were the first poster in the MJ's dick size thread to defend it.

I'd rather discuss Wilt's basketball abilities based on collecting about 2.4% of his career on film than attempt to discuss MJ's dick based on... well, what exactly was that based on Swish?

[3ball]

It's just an ordinary jump stop.


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_goat_skill_with_th_49b2a4037f09108b778 ba633988021f0.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/a320b52b73ea37a3af844eb0bc21d1ef.gif


it's not AT ALL an ordinary jumpstop - MJ sneaks an extra step in there right before the jumpstop - the extra step allows him to take 1 fewer dribbles, which is a big deal.. the missing dribble is why the move might be a travel.

so thanks for posting all the old footage, but you don't know what you're talking about here.. your eye isn't trained to differentiate these kinds of things.

again, anyone can do an ordinary jumpstop - infact, i can dunk off an ordinary jumpstop.. but i can barely get off the ground when i try to sneak that extra step in there first.. it's VERY hard to do (just mimicking the exact footwork is really hard) and the move requires crazy athleticism that almost no one has.

[3ball]

btw, it seems people actually think i'm serious when i said dirk stole the move from jordan.

obviously, he didn't.. it was a joke.. maybe i didn't make it clear enough in the OP that i was making a joke.

7/7?... how could i be for real?.. cmonson

[StephHamann]

That's great, so long as everybody understands Jordan did not invent nor was he the first to regularly use or take advantage of the move. He's just doing what was taught. I believe there's actually film of MJ talking to Elvin Hayes explaining how he's borrowing Elvin's turnarounds because he noticed Elvin having such success with them. Elvin probably mirrored Wilt. It all goes down the line.

Thread title is "where Dirk got his one-leg fadeaway" Dirk says he watched Jordan stuff and Jordan was the best.

Case closed

[CavaliersFTW]

btw, it seems people actually think i'm serious when i said dirk stole the move from jordan.

obviously, he didn't.. it was a joke.. maybe i didn't make it clear enough in the OP that i was making a joke.

7/7?... how could i be for real?.. cmonson
Nobody can tell when your posts are serious or not. Most people actually believe you are trolling every single post.

[ralph_i_el]

btw, it seems people actually think i'm serious when i said dirk stole the move from jordan.

obviously, he didn't.. it was a joke.. maybe i didn't make it clear enough in the OP that i was making a joke.

7/7?... how could i be for real?.. cmonson

dude, nobody knows when your crazy ass is being serious. Maybe if would help if you talked about more than just MJ?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You never saw MJ's dick, yet you were the first poster in the MJ's dick size thread to defend it.

I'd rather discuss Wilt's basketball abilities based on collecting about 2.4% of his career on film than attempt to discuss MJ's dick based on... well, what exactly was that based on Swish?

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[SHAQisGOAT]

Bird was doing it (regularly) before someone like Jordan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPgQy-_jEI4

Couple of better ones here (Bird's "own" twist to it at 1:53):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtpjCnOoO1Y


And Larry wasn't close to being the 1st doing it, either...

[sdot_thadon]

You never saw MJ's dick, yet you were the first poster in the MJ's dick size thread to defend it.

I'd rather discuss Wilt's basketball abilities based on collecting about 2.4% of his career on film than attempt to discuss MJ's dick based on... well, what exactly was that based on Swish?
:roll:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Not sure anyone did the pirouette fake before Jordan (certainly no one has done it as well as him):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpPeKSUUsc#t=4m31s

There was an even better one vs. the Hawks in like '96 or '97 but I can't find it.

[CavaliersFTW]

Not sure anyone did the pirouette fake before Jordan (certainly no one has done it as well as him):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpPeKSUUsc#t=4m31s

There was an even better one vs. the Hawks in like '96 or '97 but I can't find it.
That pull back dribble is a move straight out of Archie Clark's bag of tricks, who I'm sure saw it from someone before himself be it on playgrounds or w/e.

Think I've seen Baylor do it too.

*edit

I noticed he spins than pulls back.

That's two different moves not one move.

Why do you guys treat combo's like moves? It's like the up and under and reverse layup. That's not ONE move, that's two (or rather, one move, than a finish). Both of which were not invented by Jordan, they are basic basketball skills. In this case and in that case he's just doing one, reading the defense, and switching to another.

It's like people who call a dream shake a move, that's not a move either. It's two or three basic fundamental moves. People who don't play basketball probably fail to see the individual moves involved in it but people who play SHOULD be able to recognize pivot/reverse pivots, up and unders, baseline spins, etc.

[Smoke117]

Not sure anyone did the pirouette fake before Jordan (certainly no one has done it as well as him):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpPeKSUUsc#t=4m31s

There was an even better one vs. the Hawks in like '96 or '97 but I can't find it.

Amazing...it took you this long to come in this thread to boost Jordan up. I would congratulate the restraint...but i'm sure you were gagging and swallowing before you had time actually post in a timely manner.

[Kblaze8855]

Reggie:

http://i60.tinypic.com/alp5rs.gif


Took me a moment to find.

And Mikan for the hell of it:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/4749743/georgenowitzki-o.gif

I made a Kareem one too but I dont remember where I saved it...

[Fire Colangelo]

I'm now convinced 3ball actually doesnt believe in half of the stuff he posts..... There's just no way lol

[GreggPopazit]

I already posted the links. You can watch both of those videos in entirety start to finish, as it is every single one of their career field goals that exists on film.

You'll notice multiple examples of both of them shooting the one legged fade away, from either block.

It's on you whether or not you choose to watch the film but the evidence is there.

About 28 games worth of baskets from Wilt (2.4% of his career), and about 5 or 6 from Gus Johnson. (less than half a percent of his career)

If those are at all reflective of their career averages, both made a one legged fade away shot once or twice a game - and probably attempted them 2-4 times a game.

Just watched some of them. Technically they are 1 footed fades, but the form is very different from Dirk's.

[Alan Ogg]

Who has scored the most points with that shot in league history? Probably Dirk, by a lot.

[KobesFinger]

Jordan invented basketball

[sportjames23]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/f50b0ca336c8a3ad11dcd1b5dbe7c326.gif


i doubt anyone is surprised dirk's move came from the GOAT.. :lol

dirk must have rewatched this a million times to perfect it.. credit jordan with dirk's 2011 championship.. 7/7... :pimp:


I haven't read the rest of this thread, but I know 3ball ain't paying any rent. :oldlol: