LeBron should foul out every game... [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 09:38 PM

navy

03-01-2015, 09:41 PM

He also takes alot of contact and doesnt get the call so it goes both ways.

Mirzas

03-01-2015, 09:42 PM

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 10:17 PM

He also takes alot of contact and doesnt get the call so it goes both ways.

yeah but how many of those times is the contact that he "takes" only contact that he specifically went looking for, trying to get a call.

if you've watched lbj in the playoffs over his career you'd remember the thousands of times where he just ran into a guy and got ft's for it. maybe it hasn't been as bad recently, but it's still an essential part of his game and in his prime the refs were horrible at calling that in his favor.

I<3NBA

03-01-2015, 10:20 PM

Lebron gets fouled a lot more times without getting the calls for it than the offensive fouls he gets away with. defenders are also looking to flop the moment Lebron lowers his shoulders on them.

ShawkFactory

03-01-2015, 10:20 PM

yeah but how many of those times is the contact that he "takes" only contact that he specifically went looking for, trying to get a call.

if you've watched lbj in the playoffs over his career you'd remember the thousands of times where he just ran into a guy and got ft's for it. maybe it hasn't been as bad recently, but it's still an essential part of his game and in his prime the refs were horrible at calling that in his favor.
All superstars get refereed favorably. This shouldn't be news to you. That's how its always been and will likely always be.

nba_55

03-01-2015, 10:20 PM

Hubie Brown is a passive agressive Lebron hater, he always does that. On one play, Beverly was clearly moving, he still said it should have been an offensive foul on Lebron.

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 10:24 PM

Lebron gets fouled a lot more times without getting the calls for it than the offensive fouls he gets away with. defenders are also looking to flop the moment Lebron lowers his shoulders on them.

as they should be since the officials have proven to have the mentality that if a star abuses something enough times, they'll just stop calling it so that they aren't constantly putting the star into foul trouble.... this is something that refs have came out and said that the nba used to specifically meet with their officials over, making sure that they are avoiding calling fouls on stars in 50/50 situations and what not.... and you saw that today, LeBron could have easily had 2 technicals this game but because he already had 1 the officials gave him a big leash and were giving him just about every call in the 2nd half...

as a defender why don't you have the right to the spot you are standing in? if the offensive player is going to recklessly barrel into you or better yet run right next to you while trying to push you away rather than shield the ball with good dribbling form, they deserve to get the foul called on them every time. this style of basketball where offensive players just pick up the ball and run recklessly into the paint and get bailed out with a call is not fun to watch, it's flat out ugly basketball.

JT123

03-01-2015, 10:28 PM

Hubie Brown is a passive agressive Lebron hater, he always does that. On one play, Beverly was clearly moving, he still said it should have been an offensive foul on Lebron.
When Lebron was still with the Heat that fool wouldn't even try to hide his bias. :oldlol: He's honestly getting too old to still be calling games.

JT123

03-01-2015, 10:29 PM

as they should be since the officials have proven to have the mentality that if a star abuses something enough times, they'll just stop calling it so that they aren't constantly putting the star into foul trouble.... this is something that refs have came out and said that the nba used to specifically meet with their officials over, making sure that they are avoiding calling fouls on stars in 50/50 situations and what not.... and you saw that today, LeBron could have easily had 2 technicals this game but because he already had 1 the officials gave him a big leash and were giving him just about every call in the 2nd half...

as a defender why don't you have the right to the spot you are standing in? if the offensive player is going to recklessly barrel into you or better yet run right next to you while trying to push you away rather than shield the ball with good dribbling form, they deserve to get the foul called on them every time. this style of basketball where offensive players just pick up the ball and run recklessly into the paint and get bailed out with a call is not fun to watch, it's flat out ugly basketball.
You just described Westbrook's entire game, Simon. :lol

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 10:32 PM

You just described Westbrook's entire game, Simon. :lol

who?

and when I watch Westbrook I see it a bit different. He reminds me more of Wade than anyone. he attacks the rim from so many angles, has developed into a dominant post player for his position, has a great pull up jumper to compliment defenders dropping back when defending him because they are scared of his athleticism... and these past two years in particular it just looks like he has gotten better at finishing with creativity around the rim.... all he needs to do now is shoot less 3's and he'll be like prime D Wade offensively

UK2K

03-01-2015, 10:36 PM

That's not what I typically see. Infact I find that Lebron is incredible at avoiding charges on his drives.

That was very apparent tonight in the loss againt Houston. As he tried his best to avoid contact on crucial drives, and ended up missing what seemed to be make-able layups.

I saw he barreled over Beverley, which everyone and their other knew was a charge, including the announcers, and then not 2 plays later be runs over D Mo, which may have been worse than the first missed charge call.

UK2K

03-01-2015, 10:37 PM

Hubie Brown is a passive agressive Lebron hater, he always does that. On one play, Beverly was clearly moving, he still said it should have been an offensive foul on Lebron.
He said that because Lebron was running full speed, head down, and out of control, and ran Beverley over outside the restricted area. You don't have to be set for it to be a charge, scrub.

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 10:37 PM

I saw he barreled over Beverley, which everyone and their other knew was a charge, including the announcers, and then not 2 plays later be runs over D Mo, which may have been worse than the first missed charge call.

I also don't understand why they called that beverley/lebron altercation a double technical....

beverley got ran over, and then lebron is laying on top of him with his hands pushing down on beverley, taking his sweet time getting up while looking at the ref for some reason.. if you're beverley what the **** are you supposed to do there to not get a double t? just lay there and let LeBron be a douche and put all of his weight on you and disrespect you?

All I saw Beverley do was try to get up... but alas, the officials are horrible when it comes to calling just one technical...

nba_55

03-01-2015, 10:38 PM

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 10:39 PM

Beverley was clearly moving, by rules, that's a blocking foul.

just because a defender is sliding his feet and playing defense doesn't give you the right to run right into them...

all that is doing is punishing active defenders and rewarding reckless offensive players...

I<3NBA

03-01-2015, 10:42 PM

as they should be since the officials have proven to have the mentality that if a star abuses something enough times, they'll just stop calling it so that they aren't constantly putting the star into foul trouble.... this is something that refs have came out and said that the nba used to specifically meet with their officials over, making sure that they are avoiding calling fouls on stars in 50/50 situations and what not.... and you saw that today, LeBron could have easily had 2 technicals this game but because he already had 1 the officials gave him a big leash and were giving him just about every call in the 2nd half...

as a defender why don't you have the right to the spot you are standing in? if the offensive player is going to recklessly barrel into you or better yet run right next to you while trying to push you away rather than shield the ball with good dribbling form, they deserve to get the foul called on them every time. this style of basketball where offensive players just pick up the ball and run recklessly into the paint and get bailed out with a call is not fun to watch, it's flat out ugly basketball.
except Lebron is the last player you should mention when talking about being bailed out when driving to the rim. he gets more, stronger fouls driving to the rim and not getting the calls than any player in the league (except probably Melo) you know the players you're describing? KD, Harden, and Westbrook. it's funny they all played together in OKC.

nba_55

03-01-2015, 10:43 PM

just because a defender is sliding his feet and playing defense doesn't give you the right to run right into them...

all that is doing is punishing active defenders and rewarding reckless offensive players...
That's the rule. If you are moving, it's a blocking foul, it has been that way for years. You have positioned, not moving to get the charge. Beverley was clearly moving, so it's a blocking foul. It's that simple.
You arguing that it was a charge kills all your credibility and your thread.

josh99

03-01-2015, 10:43 PM

It's not just Lebron, lots of players do the off hand push to protect the ball, just needs to be called more.

josh99

03-01-2015, 10:46 PM

That's the rule. If you are moving, it's a blocking foul, it has been that way for years. You have positioned, not moving to get the charge. Beverley was clearly moving, so it's a blocking foul. It's that simple.
You arguing that it was a charge kills all your credibility and your thread.
Sorry but that's incorrect. See: http://www.nba.com/features/misunderstoodrules_051128.html

I<3NBA

03-01-2015, 10:46 PM

just because a defender is sliding his feet and playing defense doesn't give you the right to run right into them...

all that is doing is punishing active defenders and rewarding reckless offensive players...
:facepalm
if a defender is sliding his feet, he is not set, and any contact happening would be a blocking foul

if you have a problem with that rule, take it up with the commish

historically, the league has always punished defense and rewarded offense. that's why over the years, you would see the league changing the rules to benefit the offense and punish the defense.

you can hardly touch players nowadays.

JT123

03-01-2015, 10:47 PM

It's not just Lebron, lots of players do the off hand push to protect the ball, just needs to be called more.
:applause: Honestly every guard in the league uses their off arm to ward off defenders. It's just more noticeable with Bron cause he's a lot bigger than most ball handlers.

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 10:48 PM

:facepalm
if a defender is sliding his feet, he is not set, and any contact happening would be a blocking foul

if you have a problem with that rule, take it up with the commish

historically, the league has always punished defense and rewarded offense. that's why over the years, you would see the league changing the rules to benefit the offense and punish the defense.

you can hardly touch players nowadays.

Are you saying you don't have a problem with that rule if thats the "correct" call?

All I'm saying, correct or not, is that they need to quit calling that shit.

nba_55

03-01-2015, 10:49 PM

Sorry but that's incorrect. See: http://www.nba.com/features/misunderstoodrules_051128.html
''. On a drive to the basket, the defender must get to his position before the shooter starts his upward shooting motion. ''

Yeah, i was correct! Beverley was not in his position, he was still moving and trying to get there.

nba_55

03-01-2015, 10:50 PM

Are you saying you don't have a problem with that rule if thats the "correct" call?

All I'm saying, correct or not, is that they need to quit calling that shit.

Then, don't say that it was an uncalled offensive because it clearly wasn't. It was the right call by rules.

JT123

03-01-2015, 10:50 PM

Sorry but that's incorrect. See: http://www.nba.com/features/misunderstoodrules_051128.html
If you slide sideways in front of a player after they have already picked up their dribble, it's a blocking foul. Period. That is exactly what Beverly did.

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 10:50 PM

also don't know who this "Simon" is but he appears to have taken up free rent in the mind of these lebron stans....

I'm not even saying what lebron is doing is wrong, it's just what he's conditioned to do because he gets rewarded for this style of play...

just saying that silver needs to have them reevaluate the way they call the game, particularly in regards to situations where the offensive player CREATES the contact, and they also need to look at getting the officials under control with technical calls...

this applies to those situations where a defender leaves his feet and the offensive player goes way off balance, basically jumps into the defender, and looks for the call... IMO if you're gonna make the choice to jump right into the defender then fine... just don't expect the call.

nba_55

03-01-2015, 10:51 PM

:applause: Honestly every guard in the league uses their off arm to ward off defenders. It's just more noticeable with Bron cause he's a lot bigger than most ball handlers.

CP3 does it more than anyone, OP is not complaining about him.

I<3NBA

03-01-2015, 10:52 PM

Are you saying you don't have a problem with that rule if thats the "correct" call?

All I'm saying, correct or not, is that they need to quit calling that shit.
i have a problem with tic-tac fouls. those bump and player gets a call are bullshit. especially when i see all the defender does is stand straight up and doesn't even move and it's the offensive player bumping into him.

that's bullshit. when the offensive player initiates the contact, they shouldn't get a call.

nba_55

03-01-2015, 10:52 PM

If you slide sideways in front of a player after they have already picked up their dribble, it's a blocking foul. Period. That is exactly what Beverly did.

And on the link that he posted, it's exactly written that, I don't know why he says that it is incorrect.

josh99

03-01-2015, 10:52 PM

''. On a drive to the basket, the defender must get to his position before the shooter starts his upward shooting motion. ''

Yeah, i was correct! Beverley was not in his position, he was still moving and trying to get there.
I actually didn't see the play so I'm not saying you are right or wrong. I'm just saying its a myth that you have to be standing still. Got a gif?

nba_55

03-01-2015, 10:52 PM

I actually didn't see the play so I'm not saying you are right or wrong. I'm just saying its a myth that you have to be standing still. Got a gif?
no, anyone got a gif? So we could prove OP wrong.

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 10:53 PM

CP3 does it more than anyone, OP is not complaining about him.

cp3 doesn't do it any more than lebron because cp3 uses screens a lot more effectively and is a more creative dribbler.

FLDFSU

03-01-2015, 10:58 PM

Why does a Laker's fan care about what Lebron and Cleveland does?

Smoke117

03-01-2015, 10:59 PM

If they called all of the offensive fouls that he commits nearly every drive, he'd be fouling out every single game.

How many times this game did the commentator say something like "officials missed the push off from LeBron" Happened like 6-7 times... He's a glorified Harden. Creating contact, whining for calls, ball hogging and over dribbling, choking away big games...

This feels like deja vu...oh Shaq. Okay now go on Shaq who did all the shit you are blabbering on about...but worse. Oh you weren't born then? eek we've reached an impasse I believe...sorry chap.

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 11:02 PM

This feels like deja vu...oh Shaq. Okay now go on Shaq who did all the shit you are blabbering on about...but worse. Oh you weren't born then? eek we've reached an impasse I believe...sorry chap.

why does it matter if shaq or anyone else did it? either way they need to fix it. you people on ISH put way too much focus on dumb shit that I don't even bother thinking about.

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 11:04 PM

Why does a Laker's fan care about what Lebron and Cleveland does?

so I'm only allowed to watch Laker games?

:facepalm Bruh, we suck right now and I wanted to watch this matchup because of the MVP race. All that i came away with was the feeling that LeBron at this point in his career is basically a worse version of Harden... similiar ast/to ratios and playstyles but harden is better at shooting from deep and the ft line so more efficient.

sd3035

03-01-2015, 11:05 PM

That's not what I typically see. Infact I find that Lebron is incredible at avoiding charges on his drives.

That was very apparent tonight in the loss againt Houston. As he tried his best to avoid contact on crucial drives, and ended up missing what seemed to be make-able layups.

It's pretty easy to be incredible when you have a different set of rules

outbreak

03-01-2015, 11:07 PM

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 11:08 PM

It's hard to call Lebron out individually though, lot's of players get away with fending and pushing with their off arm these days. Half Blake's big dunks are massive offensive fouls for instance, Dwight used to push off in the post back in Orlando etc.

yea, LeBron is just the posterboy for this since he's widely regarded as the best player in the game and his most impressive playoff run (when he won his first ring) was basically all creating contact and getting calls. don't even know how many jumpshots he hit in the finals. like 1-2 a game at the most. thats a huge change from kobe, jordan, and even wade.

JT123

03-01-2015, 11:14 PM

Why does a Laker's fan care about what Lebron and Cleveland does?
Cause he's not a Laker fan. :lol
I don't know why he's trying to pretend to be a different poster. It's not like the mods punish people for having alts. :confusedshrug:
I'll stop picking on OP though. He obviously wants to be taken more seriously these days.

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 11:18 PM

Cause he's not a Laker fan. :lol
I don't know why he's trying to pretend to be a different poster. It's not like the mods punish people for having alts. :confusedshrug:
I'll stop picking on OP though. He obviously wants to be taken more seriously these days.

what do I need to do to prove myself bruh?

you're one of the worst posters here, always worried about everyone else and shit, and acting like nobody can criticize lebron on your watch, even when he blatantly chokes the game away like he did today.

if there is any star in today's game that i stan it's westbrook and I ain't afraid to admit his flaws because I don't care and just enjoy watching him play. :confusedshrug:

p.s. here is proof that I live in cali...

http://www.speedtest.net/result/4181745704.png

not a lakers fan my ass. let me guess, you live in ohio right? fake ass bitch.

JT123

03-01-2015, 11:26 PM

what do I need to do to prove myself bruh?

you're one of the worst posters here, always worried about everyone else and shit, and acting like nobody can criticize lebron on your watch, even when he blatantly chokes the game away like he did today.

if there is any star in today's game that i stan it's westbrook and I ain't afraid to admit his flaws because I don't care and just enjoy watching him play. :confusedshrug:

p.s. here is proof that I live in cali...

http://www.speedtest.net/result/4181745704.png

not a lakers fan my ass. let me guess, you live in ohio right? fake ass bitch.
:oldlol: Last year you lived in Miami and were claiming to be a Heat fan. Don't make me dig up some of your old posts and embarrass you. :coleman:

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 11:28 PM

:oldlol: Last year you lived in Miami and were claiming to be a Heat fan. Don't make me dig up some of your old posts and embarrass you. :coleman:

yeah I grew up in cali but then moved down to miami to take care of my grandmother thinking i'd get her estate when she passes and start my life out there...

needless to say shit didn't work out that way so I'm back here in cali on that grind...

doesn't matter where I'm at though, I'll always be a Lakers fan while you'll always be a ******ging player stan bitch.

FLDFSU

03-01-2015, 11:30 PM

Cause he's not a Laker fan. :lol
I don't know why he's trying to pretend to be a different poster. It's not like the mods punish people for having alts. :confusedshrug:
I'll stop picking on OP though. He obviously wants to be taken more seriously these days.

He can't be. The Lakers and Cavs have ZERO interest in common. One is an Eastern conference playoff team, the other a Western conference cell dweller vying for the no. 1 pick.

Must be one of those bandwagon fans that follow James around the country begging for attention...

JT123

03-01-2015, 11:34 PM

yeah I grew up in cali but then moved down to miami to take care of my grandmother thinking i'd get her estate when she passes and start my life out there...

needless to say shit didn't work out that way so I'm back here in cali on that grind...

doesn't matter where I'm at though, I'll always be a Lakers fan while you'll always be a ******ging player stan bitch.
:oldlol: You're a funny guy. I need to get off this forum for a while, so I'll expose you another night. :cheers:

JerrySeinfeld

03-01-2015, 11:45 PM

:oldlol: You're a funny guy. I need to get off this forum for a while, so I'll expose you another night. :cheers:

if you wanna scrap hmu... i wont hesitate to send you a pm of my address....

clown.

aj1987

03-02-2015, 12:54 AM

He said that because Lebron was running full speed, head down, and out of control, and ran Beverley over outside the restricted area. You don't have to be set for it to be a charge, scrub.
:biggums:

What the **** were you even watching? Beverly was still moving into place when LeBron was in the air. That should be a blocking foul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uFPXoNbGek&spfreload=10

nba_55

03-02-2015, 01:02 AM

:biggums:

What the **** were you even watching? Beverly was still moving into place when LeBron was in the air. That should be a blocking foul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uFPXoNbGek&spfreload=10

OP:

http://i.giphy.com/gl6ZMVsW36Ixi.gif

Beastmode88

03-02-2015, 01:13 AM