Cops shoot down a homeless man in LA

[Hotlantadude81]

[QUOTE]The man continues to scuffle with four of the officers, even after he's wrestled to the ground. What appears to be one of the officers is heard saying "Drop the gun. Drop the gun."

Then, at least one of the officers opens fire on the man, who remained on the ground with at least two officers near him.

Five gunshots are heard on the recording.

Police have not identified the dead man or said how many officers were involved, or how many shots were fired. The man was declared dead at a hospital shortly after the shooting, which occurred about noon, according to police spokesman Sgt. Barry Montgomery.

The officers had responded to a robbery call in the 500 block of San Pedro Street, Montgomery said. He added that at one point during the struggle a Taser had been deployed, but investigators did not know if it was used on the man who was subsequently shot.

No officers were injured during the altercation, Montgomery said.

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Witnesses at the scene identified the victim by his street name,

[Fawker]

LA...ok now it's really on

[Pushxx]

Why the hell do people resist the police?

If you are innocent, you don't win against the police on the street...you win against them in court.

[Akrazotile]

Why the hell do people resist the police?

If you are innocent, you don't win against the police on the street...you win against them in court.


Well, in this case it appears to be because he was a skid-row crackhead.

[RoseCity07]

I hope they riot. SRS. I hope a cop dies in LA over this. I won't feel bad at all. One innocent dead for another innocent. There has to be a price. Police need consequences.

[Akrazotile]

I hope they riot. SRS. I hope a cop dies in LA over this. I won't feel bad at all. One innocent dead for another innocent. There has to be a price. Police need consequences.




:facepalm

[Fawker]

Why the hell do people resist the police?

If you are innocent, you don't win against the police on the street...you win against them in court.
they resist potential exectioners, as would all.

[I<3NBA]

wtf kind of training do police get nowadays?

i mean, if the man was struggling with other police officers, why the **** would you fire on him? you coulda hit your own men, ffs!

trigger happy policemen are everywhere!

it's like they don't even screen these guys anymore.

you want a gun?

here, take this badge and patrol the streets :facepalm

[BRabbiT]

that happened so quickly.

[Dresta]

I hope they riot. SRS. I hope a cop dies in LA over this. I won't feel bad at all. One innocent dead for another innocent. There has to be a price. Police need consequences.
I hope people do riot, and hopefully they burn down your house in the process for saying such a scummy thing.

Hoping for some unknown individual, whose life and personality you do not know anything about, to be murdered, in reprisal for another event that has nothing to do with you and which you know nothing about, is the sign of a real piece of shit, a petty and vengeful low-life, with a bloodlust when it comes to situations which do not involve him.

i.e. a coward who wants someone else to be killed (obviously, from afar) for not being as much of a coward as they are. A coward putting on a front of childish bravado is what you are. I'd like to see you go and inform the family against whom the right and just 'price' and 'reprisal' had been made, and that whoever's father/husband/son/brother had been killed to even up the score and satisfy your piece of mind.

That's how the tribal societies of old used to live (a life would be sacrificed to balance things out, to bring peace between tribes). I see this tribal instinct still runs hot in your blood. I'm only glad we have a Constitutional framework that specifically guards against such petty tribalism, and seeks to protect the rights of the individual against such arbitrary nonsense.

[Pushxx]

they resist potential exectioners, as would all.

If they are really looking to kill, you really think resisting is going to help?

Obviously any kind of non-compliance is going to increase the leeway for them to shoot you.

If you are going to get arrested, there's nothing you can do. Don't move a muscle against them, and you won't get blasted.

[GreggPopazit]

Why the hell do people resist the police?

If you are innocent, you don't win against the police on the street...you win against them in court.

Because not everybody reacts rationally or intelligently in those situations.

[NumberSix]

Just tell me if he's black or not. Otherwise I'll have no way of knowing if this is important.

[Meticode]

If he got a hold of a gun, the shooting was justified in my eyes. I'm curious if he got a hold of it because it sounded lik they were tasering him right before the shots.

In any case, this happens, every day, all over the world. Put aside race, religion, creed, beliefs, whatever...it's in our destiny to destroy each other. And will continue doing so. Our loved ones will die, people we don't know ever existed will die. Can you live in a world like this?

[Akrazotile]

Based on the article I'm assuming this happened on skid row, which for those of you who arent familiar with it, is basically a living nightmare. It's a huge strip literally full of homeless, disturbed, addicted, crazy zombies. It's a homeless encampment on the street that stretches way down the road and s FILLED with people. People who are completely unpredictable, and literally nuts.

If youre a cop, this is not the place you want to be struggling with a suspect, because who knows what kind of crackhead is gonna jump in? Who knows who around you has a weapon?? There are people ALL around you. Hell what if the guy youre struggling with has AIDS and he gets a cut during the struggle and puts you at risk?

Bottom line, this was a crazy person who WAS endangering the lives of cops. Even if the threat doesnt materialize, when youre on wearing that blue uniform youre basicaly a target for people trying to make a statement. And if youre trying to wrestle some kook into cuffs in the middle of skid row, that shit is scary as ****. No chances are gonna be taken if thats me.

The only regret is that it couldnt have happened to the menstrual crybaby of pretend injustice, Rosecity

[chazzy]

I hope they riot. SRS. I hope a cop dies in LA over this. I won't feel bad at all. One innocent dead for another innocent. There has to be a price. Police need consequences.
After reading your posts covering the wide variety of topics ISH provides, I've come to the conclusion that you're an all around dumb dude

[TheMan]

I hope people do riot, and hopefully they burn down your house in the process for saying such a scummy thing.

Hoping for some unknown individual, whose life and personality you do not know anything about, to be murdered, in reprisal for another event that has nothing to do with you and which you know nothing about, is the sign of a real piece of shit, a petty and vengeful low-life, with a bloodlust when it comes to situations which do not involve him.

i.e. a coward who wants someone else to be killed (obviously, from afar) for not being as much of a coward as they are. A coward putting on a front of childish bravado is what you are. I'd like to see you go and inform the family against whom the right and just 'price' and 'reprisal' had been made, and that whoever's father/husband/son/brother had been killed to even up the score and satisfy your piece of mind.

That's how the tribal societies of old used to live (a life would be sacrificed to balance things out, to bring peace between tribes). I see this tribal instinct still runs hot in your blood. I'm only glad we have a Constitutional framework that specifically guards against such petty tribalism, and seeks to protect the rights of the individual against such arbitrary nonsense.
Ether

[HitandRun Reggie]

I work in downtown LA occasionally, sometimes at night, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the homeless here. They are dangerous to the people working here, and dangerous to themselves. They need to be forcibly moved somewhere else.

Most the transients who camp out in the fashion district, are severely mentally ill, and highly aggressive. If you are a weak bum, you won't survive in downtown LA at night. You can hear them hooting, hollering, and preying on each other in the middle of the night, it's crazy. And 95% of the people who work in the areas the transients inhabit in downtown LA are Latino and Asian yet 90% of the transients on the street at night are black and 10% are white in my observations. Not that their aren't some bums who are Latino or Asian, but because of their smaller statures, or because they have some semblance of family who will take them in, they disappear at night. It's a good thing too because they wouldn't survive at night here on the outlying areas of tent city, at least not without a strong pimp.

[MavsSuperFan]

If he got a hold of a gun, the shooting was justified in my eyes. I'm curious if he got a hold of it because it sounded lik they were tasering him right before the shots.

In any case, this happens, every day, all over the world. Put aside race, religion, creed, beliefs, whatever...it's in our destiny to destroy each other. And will continue doing so. Our loved ones will die, people we don't know ever existed will die. Can you live in a world like this?
Ya thats how I feel. If he was going for a gun, it was justified to use lethal force on him.

If he wasnt going for a gun they shouldnt have and it was murder.

[Akrazotile]

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Ya thats how I feel. If he was going for a gun, it was justified to use lethal force on him.

If he wasnt going for a gun they shouldnt have and it was murder.


So if a guy is swinging and kicking at cops (as witnesses have claimed), theyre supposed to just go ahead and take it, right? Forget whether the guy is on angel dust or has some kind of weapon in his pocketor whatever, if hes attacking you and you dont see a gun, just go ahead an wrassle with him! That'll work out real well. Its a brilliant idea, really. Cops vs violent, belligerent suspects wrasslin in the street! Thats a great idea to be having guys with wives and kids gettin down wit aganst crackhead nutjobs.

Afterall cops are authority figures so it sounds so cool and edgy when you criticise them! Yeah!

[RoseCity07]

I hope people do riot, and hopefully they burn down your house in the process for saying such a scummy thing.

Hoping for some unknown individual, whose life and personality you do not know anything about, to be murdered, in reprisal for another event that has nothing to do with you and which you know nothing about, is the sign of a real piece of shit, a petty and vengeful low-life, with a bloodlust when it comes to situations which do not involve him.

i.e. a coward who wants someone else to be killed (obviously, from afar) for not being as much of a coward as they are. A coward putting on a front of childish bravado is what you are. I'd like to see you go and inform the family against whom the right and just 'price' and 'reprisal' had been made, and that whoever's father/husband/son/brother had been killed to even up the score and satisfy your piece of mind.

That's how the tribal societies of old used to live (a life would be sacrificed to balance things out, to bring peace between tribes). I see this tribal instinct still runs hot in your blood. I'm only glad we have a Constitutional framework that specifically guards against such petty tribalism, and seeks to protect the rights of the individual against such arbitrary nonsense.


Eye for an eye. Cop dies. Was he innocent? Well so was this guy on the street. No weapon. Homeless. Cops murdered him. There needs to be a price for this. Cops keep doing this and they think they can get away with it. Enough is enough.

[Dresta]

Eye for an eye. Cop dies. Was he innocent? Well so was this guy on the street. No weapon. Homeless. Cops murdered him. There needs to be a price for this. Cops keep doing this and they think they can get away with it. Enough is enough.Luckily for us, the legal system doesn't work in such an arbitrary way so as to have reprisals after every killing or murder :oldlol:.

It seems you want to live under a form of tribal law, where instead of trial by jury and the assumption of innocence, we get tribal leaders sacrificing one of their own as a form of restitution to the family of the first victim.

I suggest you go live in ISIS territory, as it's the kind of law they practice. If that's the kind of place you want to live in, then so be it, but give up the petty self-righteousness because you're just a massive shitstain, pure and simple.

[BRabbiT]

Less than an hour before he was killed Sunday, a nearby security camera showed Africa apparently dealing drugs -- the sad & only real currency of Skid Row's economy.

The footage then shows Africa getting into a fight with the man in the orange tent next to him, violently tipping the tent & kicking the man. Police arrive and talk to Africa, but he jumps into the tent -- prompting officers to draw their guns.

Africa then jumps out, swinging his arms at police. LA police say he tried to grab an officer's gun, & that's when he was shot.

LA Police Chief Charlie Beck called the incident "an extreme tragedy."

"We feel great compassion in the LAPD for people who live in conditions of homelessness, & often mental illness, with no treatment," Beck said.

"We prepare our officers to deal as best they can with them, but the reality is this is much more than a problem that the police alone can solve."

Rev. Andy Bales, Union Rescue Mission CEO, said the dismal conditions of LA's Skid Row makes it a tinder box for more problems.

"There is no other major city in the US that has a skid row like ours," he said.

"2,000 human beings living on the street. Until we deal with that, we're going to continue to have an explosive situation."

It's unclear when the Coroner's office will release Africa's real name.

From there, it's unclear where Africa's remains will go.


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horrible way to live your life. being homeless seems like hell on earth.

[Akrazotile]

"There is no other major city in the US that has a skid row like ours," he said.

"2,000 human beings living on the street. Until we deal with that, we're going to continue to have an explosive situation."


You know, it's funny, years ago George Carlin "joked" that we should just wall off big plots of land in the middle of nowhere in America, and send these people there. And because it's Carlin, liberals eat that shit up coming from him, because Carlin is cool, and it's cool to like Carlin, and he's immune to criticism from liberals.

Of course, if someone TODAY said the exact same thing, even in a comedy routine, he'd probably be boo'd mercilessly by realmenweargreen, rose city, deucewallaces, and other PVSSY F@GGOTS who have to take the sensitive opinion always because they're scared of being criticized. Have you ever wondered WHY those guys are always on the liberal side? It's not because of independent analysis and conclusion, it's becuase that's the politically correct safe side, and they are afraid to give opinions that could lead them to be excluded or ostricized from their group of peers. They're weak beta men, they're herd animals, they need the shelter that groupthink provides them. Intelligent people, or even other people who might not be all that bright but have other thigns going for them which give them confidence, can say '**** it, i'm giving my opinion.' But LOSER MEN like deuce, droid, rmwg, sarcastic, etc. they're literally towing a line of dogma because they've probably been ridiculed all their childhood and finally found some peers to accept them as adults (a support network of betas if you will), and they're afraid to get shut out of it by saying somethign insensitive! Waaahh! THe irony of course is that dogma includes liking Carlin, who, if we could posthumously give him a lie detector test, would almost certainly have been more serious than not when he proposed that idea in his bit.


Now of course he probably wouldn't have supported anything that extreme in a literal sense, and neither do I, but the point if that we have to look for solutions that might not be so sensitive, might not be so warm and cozy in the immediate term. The right answer isn't always the easy answer, and sometimes people have conflicted agendas and you just have to deal with it. Maybe people with homes and people without homes are going to view this thing differently. Well, we can try to compromise and accommodate to a point, but considering people with homes far outnumber those without, if the debate on solutions reaches an impasse I think it's fair for people to say "yeah well this is how we want it so this is how we're gonna MAKE it" even if homeless people and loser liberals who need somethign to cry about with play the victim/sympathy card because homeless are the little guy.


It's just amazing how many obstacles we avoid in our society because you get meek, insecure, needy losers who desperately take the PC position because it's the only thing that can possibly define them, since they are otherwise sooooo unbelievably soft, vapid, and beta. Like if you asked Lamar Doom for an opinion on this shit, maybe he'd do the right thing and say "i dont have one" but if you really forced him to say something, he'd probably just repeat whatever the liberal line is. That's called a safety mechanism. It's not because he's some profound analyzer of social quandaries, he's just going with the safest most sensitive opinion because he knows that shields him from any backlash. And we've got TOOONNNNSSSSS of these people in AMerica. Many of them do it simply to stand out in from of females, since they aren't going to win any masculinity competitions anyway, they might as well try and take a different angle to impress girls since women tend to be far more liberal on average.

I dunno, the shit is wild. The world could be so much better if everyone were smart and logical, but alas, it is not meant to be :(

[dude77]

lol@africa .. lets be real .. they did this guy a favor and his neighbor a favor .. probably would've killed him or maimed his ass eventually

[dude77]

horrible way to live your life. being homeless seems like hell on earth.

absolute worst .. and I don't see how you can get out of that once you're there .. especially if you don't have any friends/family and/or have mental problems .. you're pretty much fkd

[KNOW1EDGE]

Watch the video and tell me that if the homeless man cooperated he would be alive today. Somebody, anybody.

People are so fuhcking stupid. Don't put hands on police, don't try to fight them, don't try to take their guns and you will be alive. It's not fuhcking rocket science, but for some it is just too tough a concept to grasp.

[ThePhantomCreep]

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So if a guy is swinging and kicking at cops (as witnesses have claimed), theyre supposed to just go ahead and take it, right? Forget whether the guy is on angel dust or has some kind of weapon in his pocketor whatever, if hes attacking you and you dont see a gun, just go ahead an wrassle with him! That'll work out real well. Its a brilliant idea, really. Cops vs violent, belligerent suspects wrasslin in the street! Thats a great idea to be having guys with wives and kids gettin down wit aganst crackhead nutjobs.

Afterall cops are authority figures so it sounds so cool and edgy when you criticise them! Yeah!

lol @ bringing up the cop's wives and kids. Do these assholes want a cookie?

Of course they should wrestle with unarmed suspects. They're UNARMED. What part of "this is a job" are you dimwits not getting? If they don't like the inherent dangers that come with being a police officer, they should quit. Isn't that what you Limbaugh fangirls say to Walmart workers? If they're afraid of losing their pension, I don't care.

What's next? "Sorry sir, I had to shoot the guy--he was making me run after him!! What if I trip and land face first on the pavement chasing after him? That would prevent me from going home to see my kids!" - GTFOH with that shit.

If the man was reaching for a gun, that's another story. But shooting guys who are only kicking and screaming is murder period.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Cooperate with police, live to see another day.

Fight with Police, try and grab their gun, risk getting shot

That's the way it is. That's the way it should be. That's the way it will always be.

It's not fuhcking rocket science. It's called reality. It's necessary. We should not be making it easier for criminals, we should not be protecting and sympathizing with criminals who attack other civilians and then attack police. Get fuhcking real. Get real. Get fuhcking real

[MavsSuperFan]

M


So if a guy is swinging and kicking at cops (as witnesses have claimed), theyre supposed to just go ahead and take it, right? Forget whether the guy is on angel dust or has some kind of weapon in his pocketor whatever, if hes attacking you and you dont see a gun, just go ahead an wrassle with him! That'll work out real well. Its a brilliant idea, really. Cops vs violent, belligerent suspects wrasslin in the street! Thats a great idea to be having guys with wives and kids gettin down wit aganst crackhead nutjobs.

Afterall cops are authority figures so it sounds so cool and edgy when you criticise them! Yeah!


So if a guy is swinging and kicking at cops (as witnesses have claimed), theyre supposed to just go ahead and take it, right?

Somewhat depends on the situation. In general yes, punches and kicks aren

[RoseCity07]

Luckily for us, the legal system doesn't work in such an arbitrary way so as to have reprisals after every killing or murder :oldlol:.

It seems you want to live under a form of tribal law, where instead of trial by jury and the assumption of innocence, we get tribal leaders sacrificing one of their own as a form of restitution to the family of the first victim.

I suggest you go live in ISIS territory, as it's the kind of law they practice. If that's the kind of place you want to live in, then so be it, but give up the petty self-righteousness because you're just a massive shitstain, pure and simple.

No, I want to live in a country where cops are not above the law. Having a gun and a badge doesn't give you a right to murder someone. You signed up for this job. Shooting a suspect because you're incompetent to take him down in a nonlethal way means you shouldn't have the job in the first place.

Why don't we have firemen just stand outside of a burning building and just wait until he fire is extinguished before they rush in to save the people?. If a firefighter hid behind the line that his life isn't worth being put in danger you would call him a coward.

The only difference here is that you think these people are all criminals so it's a different situation. What if these people are mentally ill? Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind? That is a barbaric viewpoint. They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

The problem with you is you think you know it all kid.

[Akrazotile]

Somewhat depends on the situation. In general yes, punches and kicks aren’t likely to kill a person or render them unconscious. If a cop is in a situation where they might lose consciousness, I have no problem with them shooting a suspect.

Eg. they are getting choked out.

But in general cops shouldn’t shoot unarmed suspects, assuming there is not a compelling reason to believe they are armed, or the cop cannot handle the suspect without a gun.



If the suspect is armed, I have zero problem with the cop shooting him, if he disobeys commands to drop the weapon, or moves to attack with the weapon.

Besides in this situation there were multiple cops and one suspect. Unless he was reaching for their guns, no reason to shoot him. Might be different if there was 1 cop with a brock leasner like suspect.



I am probably the most pro authority person on this site.


Dude, how do you know if he's armed or not???? You got X-ray vision? You can see in his pocket???


If a guy is swinging at you and you are focused on putting your arms up and trying to defend yourself, maybe you don't see or have time to react when he suddenly reaches into his pocket and pulls out a gun or a knife that you didn't see with your x-ray vision. This is a life-threatening risk it's easy for you to sit there at a computer and downplay, because you're not in the middle of the street, trying to fend off a physical assault from a nutjob who COULD be armed and could also have accomplices anywhere around you ready to run up and put a gun to your stomach just like that, AS HAS HAPPENS TO POLICE EVERY YEAR.


I am not saying if you "resist" arrest you should automatically be shot. If you're trying to push a cop away or you're trying to squirm out of his grip or something, that's completely different. If you are engaging in a belligerent, violent attack against him, YOU GON DIE. AND THAT'S GOOD. Because you're too stupid to live anyway.

[MavsSuperFan]

No, I want to live in a country where cops are not above the law. Having a gun and a badge doesn't give you a right to murder someone. You signed up for this job. Shooting a suspect because you're incompetent to take him down in a nonlethal way means you shouldn't have the job in the first place.

Why don't we have firemen just stand outside of a burning building and just wait until he fire is extinguished before they rush in to save the people?. If a firefighter hid behind the line that his life isn't worth being put in danger you would call him a coward.

The only difference here is that you think these people are all criminals so it's a different situation. What if these people are mentally ill? Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind? That is a barbaric viewpoint. They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

The problem with you is you think you know it all kid.


No, I want to live in a country where cops are not above the law.

Congratulations, because cops are not above the law in america. They can be charged if deemed appropriate. We arent North Korea or china or cuba. you might disagree with where the law sets the bar at when its appropriate to use lethal force, but that is a different issue.


Having a gun and a badge doesn't give you a right to murder someone.

agreed, but not all killing is murder.


The only difference here is that you think these people are all criminals so it's a different situation. What if these people are mentally ill? Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind? That is a barbaric viewpoint. They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

Whether they are mentally ill or not is totally irrelevant to if its justified to shoot them. The only reason to shoot someone is if there is a compelling reason to believe they are a threat to seriously/permanently harming you or an innocent 3rd party.

Whether they are mentally ill or not is not an excuse for being a threat to others. Eg. if a mentally ill guy is coming at a cop with a knife, I have no problem with the cop shooting that guy.



Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind?
no, but they do if they are a threat to others.


They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?
If their resistance doesn't include significant violence than absolutely not. Cops should not use lethal force

[KNOW1EDGE]

Yes, let's protect criminals who attack cops and make it easier on them to committ their crimes.

And let's put Police Officers at risk and make it harder for them to do their job which in turn makes it harder for them to keep us (you know, the non-criminals) safe.

Great logic. Because you know, criminals are more important and have more rights than the Police who are called to protect us.

[Akrazotile]

No, I want to live in a country where cops are not above the law. Having a gun and a badge doesn't give you a right to murder someone. You signed up for this job. Shooting a suspect because you're incompetent to take him down in a nonlethal way means you shouldn't have the job in the first place.

Why don't we have firemen just stand outside of a burning building and just wait until he fire is extinguished before they rush in to save the people?. If a firefighter hid behind the line that his life isn't worth being put in danger you would call him a coward.

The only difference here is that you think these people are all criminals so it's a different situation. What if these people are mentally ill? Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind? That is a barbaric viewpoint. They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

The problem with you is you think you know it all kid.


Your cringeworthiness is literally off the charts.

[RoseCity07]

Your cringeworthiness is literally off the charts.

red bars didn't read.

[Akrazotile]

red bars didn't read.


http://gethiredfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/bigstock-Shouting-Man-5719217.jpg

i said YOUR CRINGEWORTHINESS IS LITERALLY OFF THE CHARTS

[97 bulls]

Heres where im confused...... the cop that shot the man, was it his gun that the man was trying to take?

If so, then why shoot him? He obviously got control of his firearm.

[Godzuki]

another dumbass resisting arrest, another dumbass dead.

at some point even retarded people would see the recurring theme here :rolleyes:

[gts]

Heres where im confused...... the cop that shot the man, was it his gun that the man was trying to take?

If so, then why shoot him? He obviously got control of his firearm.it was another cop

Can't believe folks are shocked. Convicted felon out on parole for armed bank robbery, warrant out for his arrest, resists arrest tries to grab a cops gun gets shot and people are up in arms. lol

[KNOW1EDGE]

another dumbass resisting arrest, another dumbass dead.

at some point even retarded people would see the recurring theme here :rolleyes:

One would only hope....

[Dresta]

No, I want to live in a country where cops are not above the law. Having a gun and a badge doesn't give you a right to murder someone. You signed up for this job. Shooting a suspect because you're incompetent to take him down in a nonlethal way means you shouldn't have the job in the first place.

Why don't we have firemen just stand outside of a burning building and just wait until he fire is extinguished before they rush in to save the people?. If a firefighter hid behind the line that his life isn't worth being put in danger you would call him a coward.

The only difference here is that you think these people are all criminals so it's a different situation. What if these people are mentally ill? Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind? That is a barbaric viewpoint. They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

The problem with you is you think you know it all kid.
None of this bullshit justifies your initial post, and most of it doesn't even make sense, so i'm going to ignore it. Luckily you live in a country where no one is 'above the law' so there goes that one.

[97 bulls]

it was another cop

Can't believe folks are shocked. Convicted felon out on parole for armed bank robbery, warrant out for his arrest, resists arrest tries to grab a cops gun gets shot and people are up in arms. lol
If thats the case then I personally see no fault with what the Police did.

[MavsSuperFan]

Of course they are

They never get indicted
1 that is not true.

that NYPD officer who shot akai gurley got indicted

2. anyone that shoots under justified circumstances shouldnt be indicted.

in this case if the homeless man was reaching for a cops gun, its a justified shooting.

[MavsSuperFan]

Dude, how do you know if he's armed or not???? You got X-ray vision? You can see in his pocket???


If a guy is swinging at you and you are focused on putting your arms up and trying to defend yourself, maybe you don't see or have time to react when he suddenly reaches into his pocket and pulls out a gun or a knife that you didn't see with your x-ray vision. This is a life-threatening risk it's easy for you to sit there at a computer and downplay, because you're not in the middle of the street, trying to fend off a physical assault from a nutjob who COULD be armed and could also have accomplices anywhere around you ready to run up and put a gun to your stomach just like that, AS HAS HAPPENS TO POLICE EVERY YEAR.


I am not saying if you "resist" arrest you should automatically be shot. If you're trying to push a cop away or you're trying to squirm out of his grip or something, that's completely different. If you are engaging in a belligerent, violent attack against him, YOU GON DIE. AND THAT'S GOOD. Because you're too stupid to live anyway.


Dude, how do you know if he's armed or not???? You got X-ray vision? You can see in his pocket???

Unless you have some compelling reason to believe he is armed, you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Eg. you raid a drug den and encounter a bunch of other people already armed. Then its reasonable to assume other suspects are armed


If a guy is swinging at you and you are focused on putting your arms up and trying to defend yourself, maybe you don't see or have time to react when he suddenly reaches into his pocket and pulls out a gun or a knife that you didn't see with your x-ray vision. This is a life-threatening risk it's easy for you to sit there at a computer and downplay, because you're not in the middle of the street, trying to fend off a physical assault from a nutjob who COULD be armed and could also have accomplices anywhere around you ready to run up and put a gun to your stomach just like that, AS HAS HAPPENS TO POLICE EVERY YEAR.

Once a life threatening risk or risk of permanent severe injury presents itself I have no problem with a cop using lethal force.

If a cop uses lethal force and he is wrong and there was no risk of that level of injury occurring, and there was no compelling reason to believe that risk existed, the cop is out of luck and i would vote to convict if i was on his jury.


If you are engaging in a belligerent, violent attack against him, YOU GON DIE. AND THAT'S GOOD. Because you're too stupid to live anyway

Really depends on level of threat, cops cant use lethal force until a certain threshold is reached.

I will give cops the benefit of the doubt and try to see if there was a compelling reason to believe that level of threat existed, but in the absence of even that, they should be convicted.

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You want police officers to give criminals the benefit of the doubt?

That's all I need to know about you to decide to not take you serious.

That's a fuhcking deathwish.

Police lives > criminals lives

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Unless you have some compelling reason to believe he is armed, you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Eg. you raid a drug den and encounter a bunch of other people already armed. Then its reasonable to assume other suspects are armed



Once a life threatening risk or risk of permanent severe injury presents itself I have no problem with a cop using lethal force.

If a cop uses lethal force and he is wrong and there was no risk of that level of injury occurring, and there was no compelling reason to believe that risk existed, the cop is out of luck and i would vote to convict if i was on his jury.



Really depends on level of threat, cops cant use lethal force until a certain threshold is reached.

I will give cops the benefit of the doubt and try to see if there was a compelling reason to believe that level of threat existed, but in the absence of even that, they should be convicted.



I think you are really misjudging how easy it is to "analyze the threshold" when you are being attacked by a crazy person who could be armed. If you are making a legitimate inquiry/arrest and he begins to violently attack you, just kill him.

Like, why are you upset when crackheads who initiate an assault on someone get killed?

Again, if a guy is simply resisting or squirming or trying to push a cop away that's completely different, and lethal force in that case would be clearly excessive. If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking and grabbing for guns, just put him down. Why would you even want someone that stupid around??

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]I think you are really misjudging how easy it is to "analyze the threshold" when you are being attacked by a crazy person who could be armed. If you are making a legitimate inquiry/arrest and he begins to violently attack you, just kill him.
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Like, why are you upset when crackheads who initiate an assault on someone get killed?

Again, if a guy is simply resisting or squirming or trying to push a cop away that's completely different, and lethal force in that case would be clearly excessive. If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking and grabbing for guns, just put him down. Why would you even want someone that stupid around??

I appreciate that it is hard to judge how threatening a situation is, just think the alternative of giving the cops the right to shoot even when no real risk exists is a slippery slope.

We disagree on the level of violence/threat from a suspect that justifies lethal force, and i think that cops that kill in under the circumstances you describe would be in a lot of trouble.


Like, why are you upset when crackheads who initiate an assault on someone get killed?

Personally I would be lying if I said I was.


Again, if a guy is simply resisting or squirming or trying to push a cop away that's completely different, and lethal force in that case would be clearly excessive.

you see the problem with your scenario is a corrupt cop could just claim anyone that offended him strung and missed and thats why he shot them.


If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking and grabbing for guns, just put him down. Why would you even want someone that stupid around??

I think you have to establish a higher standard for the use of lethal force than you do. With your standard the cops could basically kill anyone they want.

If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking
Also this situation is different depending on who is attacking. If you have someone that looks like brock lesnar attacking you and you shoot him, I am going to give you a lot more benefit of the doubt than if someone like sheldon cooper were attacking you. Its just a different level of potential threat.


grabbing for guns
If somebody tries to grab a cops gun, zero percent problem with the cop shooting that person.

[MavsSuperFan]

You want police officers to give criminals the benefit of the doubt?

That's all I need to know about you to decide to not take you serious.

That's a fuhcking deathwish.

Police lives > criminals lives
I agree, but i think you have to set a higher standard than you seem to do of when it becomes appropriate to use lethal force.
Its weird most people think the standard for using lethal force is way higher than I do.



You want police officers to give criminals the benefit of the doubt?

In that if someone is resisting arrest cops should automatically assume they are armed? yes.