53 years ago today:

[CavaliersFTW]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0YGZXSTWnxQ/VDOeHt6w55I/AAAAAAAAFeQ/6Bmg_vK7QOc/s640/100points2.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6nhmvw5ck8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6nhmvw5ck8

Most dominant player ever and no one is close:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yhlETG9pkv4/VIUK8h9hF5I/AAAAAAAAFmc/Mdo3FublhFw/s400/nba-highest-scoring-games3OnlyWilt.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YdKQ-TUa1ZY/VIUK8doBNTI/AAAAAAAAFmU/9sdO5PgTCp8/s400/nba-highest-scoring-gamesminusWilt.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GFVaCgXG_NU/U1PpKX6HtSI/AAAAAAAAFEg/B4aajn8RNmg/s640/Youtubethumbnail11.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B7jVTJ_CIE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B7jVTJ_CIE

[navy]

How old are you again?

[IncarceratedBob]

what an idiotic list. kobe is #2 ALL TIME and #1 in modern NBA history

[CavaliersFTW]

what an idiotic list. kobe is #2 ALL TIME and #1 in modern NBA history
It's a list you'll find in the NBA record books. Take it up with the NBA.

[IncarceratedBob]

It's a list you'll find in the NBA record books. Take it up with the NBA.
Well, NVM at first U had it with one list on top of each other so it looked like Wilts records were all on top of KB. But now U fixed't and put then parallel to each other. Very silly way of listing, but I can NOW accept it. Thank U for fixing it.

I remember my dad telling me about listening to this game on the radio with his father, said his father woke him up when Wilt got to 80. Knew he was going for something BIG.


:cheers:

[CavaliersFTW]

How old are you again?
Pretty sure historians can be any age.

Or are you of the angle that I need to have been there to learn, share, and discuss history?

No one should discuss the civil world war anymore since no one alive today was around back then.

And forget about ancient history, out of the question.

People who enjoy history about whatever topics have no value to this earth. Right?

[warriorfan]

wilt be making kobe stans insecure

[navy]

Pretty sure historians can be any age.

Or are you of the angle that I need to have been there to learn, share, and discuss history?

No one should discuss the civil world war anymore since no one alive today was around back then.

And forget about ancient history, out of the question.

People who enjoy history about whatever topics have no value to this earth. Right?
No need to get defensive. Just answer the question.

[Jud]

Wilt's "dominance" was benefited from playing in a weak ass era and having all the physical gifts. He'd honestly be averaging 20/15 AT BEST. Think of somewhat of a rich man's DeAndre Jordan. Both are extremely similar from a physical standpoint.

[IncarceratedBob]

No need to get defensive. Just answer the question.

https://www.facebook.com/shawn.callahan.16

That's him

[Jud]

No need to get defensive. Just answer the question.
Homie is 27

[RoundMoundOfReb]

http://s8.postimg.org/cbr955jph/nba_highest_scoring_games3_Only_Wilt.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/vx8yrfc69/nba_highest_scoring_gamesminus_Wilt.jpg

*denotes weak era

[IncarceratedBob]

http://s8.postimg.org/cbr955jph/nba_highest_scoring_games3_Only_Wilt.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YdKQ-TUa1ZY/VIUK8doBNTI/AAAAAAAAFmU/9sdO5PgTCp8/s400/nba-highest-scoring-gamesminusWilt.jpg

*denotes weak era
What about Joe Fulks?

[Straight_Ballin]

Homie is 27

So why is someone that never seen Wilt play going off of statistics? :lol

[StephHamann]

Pretty sure historians can be any age.

Or are you of the angle that I need to have been there to learn, share, and discuss history?

No one should discuss the civil world war anymore since no one alive today was around back then.

And forget about ancient history, out of the question.

People who enjoy history about whatever topics have no value to this earth. Right?

No historian would argue that "Abraham Lincoln was the most dominant president" to stay within your metaphor.

You're not a historian boy , you're great in editing videos doe.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What about Joe Fulks?
fixed

[Rizko]

Dude we all know Wilt put up crazy numbers. This is like the 10th time you've made the exact same thread.

Tell me what you realistically think 61-62, 68, and 72 Wilt would put up. Keep in mind that Wilt wouldn't be playing 40+ mins in the regular season (he might be right at 40), that rebounding numbers for bigmen are way down, and that teams wont force feed wilt 30+ shots a game thru the season.

I'm not saying he'd suck but please give me what you believe to be a realistic answer. That way I can see how far were off and whether your a real Wilt fan or just an oldschool basketball troll

[Psileas]

53 years ago today


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yhlETG9pkv4/VIUK8h9hF5I/AAAAAAAAFmc/Mdo3FublhFw/s400/nba-highest-scoring-games3OnlyWilt.jpg

Challenge: Find any relevant day (let's say between Nov.1 and Apr.1, since seasons were more compressed back then) when Wilt didn't have a dominant game. I think this would be more interesting. :lol

[CavaliersFTW]

No historian would argue that "Abraham Lincoln was the most dominant president" to stay within your metaphor.

You're not a historian boy , you're great in editing videos doe.
That's because that analogy does not work :lol

[Psileas]

Dude we all know Wilt put up crazy numbers. This is like the 10th time you've made the exact same thread.

Tell me what you realistically think 61-62, 68, and 72 Wilt would put up. Keep in mind that Wilt wouldn't be playing 40+ mins in the regular season (he might be right at 40), that rebounding numbers for bigmen are way down, and that teams wont force feed wilt 30+ shots a game thru the season.

I'm not saying he'd suck but please give me what you believe to be a realistic answer. That way I can see how far were off and whether your a real Wilt fan or just an oldschool basketball troll

Going back a few pages, I see no other Wilt mention. If you mean other seasons, who cares, it's a historic game, it's not surprising it's going to be mentioned every season.
This is supposed to be a homage to an all-time great game. Not a season, not a career. All your remarks are irrelevant, it's like someone making a tribute to Kobe's 81 and, instead of staying in topic, people start comparing his career to Jordan's and wonder how much he'd be averaging nowadays if he was in his prime.

[CavaliersFTW]

Dude we all know Wilt put up crazy numbers. This is like the 10th time you've made the exact same thread.

Tell me what you realistically think 61-62, 68, and 72 Wilt would put up. Keep in mind that Wilt wouldn't be playing 40+ mins in the regular season (he might be right at 40), that rebounding numbers for bigmen are way down, and that teams wont force feed wilt 30+ shots a game thru the season.

I'm not saying he'd suck but please give me what you believe to be a realistic answer. That way I can see how far were off and whether your a real Wilt fan or just an oldschool basketball troll
There are no limits on minutes in the eyes of many coaches in the NBA, Phil Jackson was one of them, Pop is another, as well as all of Wilt's coaches... it would be the same today.

Your problem is right out the gates you are trying to fit Wilt into the pigeon-hole of "he's just like everyone else" - and would therefore be limited on minutes.

Wilt, let's say with his '62 squad and coach, would put up whatever offensive numbers he/that team/coach wanted... and what they wanted in '62 was Wilt to give them 50 a game. Everyone else's numbers came secondary.They'd feed him accordingly as they did then, for him to get his #'s.

Available rebounds are lower today than then, correct. I don't know how much lower they'd be, but Wilt would play every minute today if his own coach was transported in time, or if Pop was coaching him, or Phil Jackson was coaching him. A great deal more coaches would know better than to sit Wilt for 8 minutes. If they didn't, they'd be fired. Benching Wilt when he isn't injury prone, tired or in foul trouble, when he absolutely hated going to the bench (because he claims he stiffened up and couldn't come back in the game after sitting), is as dumb a coaching decision as you could make. Most seasons when he sat, it was at the end of games because a blowout victory was secured and he didn't need to be in the game anymore. Not to "rest" him. He never needed rest.

[Rizko]

Going back a few pages, I see no other Wilt mention.
This is supposed to be a homage to an all-time great game. Not a season, not a career. All these remarks are irrelevant, it's like someone making a tribute to Kobe's 81 and, instead of staying in topic, people start comparing his career to Jordan's and wonder how much he'd be averaging nowadays if he was in his prime.
Hes posted here for years. Just because its not like 3 pages back doesnt mean hes posted this thread before.

I only ask because when people make these posts it seems to imply they think Wilt would put the same #'s up today. I agree he would be great, but not 50 ppg in a season great (no one could do that unless there team didnt care about winning at all, even then i doubt it).

Also by posting these numbers up it makes Wilt an easier target for mockery. People know he couldnt put all those numbers up consistently today so when they see that Wilt did it back then and it seems like someone is trying to imply hed do it today it leads people to discredit it. Instead of praising like this thread was presumably intended for

[CavaliersFTW]

Hes posted here for years. Just because its not like 3 pages back doesnt mean hes posted this thread before.

I only ask because when people make these posts it seems to imply they think Wilt would put the same #'s up today. I agree he would be great, but not 50 ppg in a season great (no one could do that unless there team didnt care about winning at all, even then i doubt it).

Also by posting these numbers up it makes Wilt an easier target for mockery. People know he couldnt put all those numbers up consistently today so when they see that Wilt did it back then and it seems like someone is trying to imply hed do it today it leads people to discredit it. Instead of praising like this thread was presumably intended for
He'd scored 75 a game today according to Walt Frazier. You mad? Is he trolling you you think?

[StephHamann]

That's because that analogy does not work :lol

Jup, comparing 60s basketball to todays basketball does not work.

[CavaliersFTW]

Jup, comparing 60s basketball to todays basketball does not work.
What are you even talking about.

[LAZERUSS]

Hes posted here for years. Just because its not like 3 pages back doesnt mean hes posted this thread before.

I only ask because when people make these posts it seems to imply they think Wilt would put the same #'s up today. I agree he would be great, but not 50 ppg in a season great (no one could do that unless there team didnt care about winning at all, even then i doubt it).

Also by posting these numbers up it makes Wilt an easier target for mockery. People know he couldnt put all those numbers up consistently today so when they see that Wilt did it back then and it seems like someone is trying to imply hed do it today it leads people to discredit it. Instead of praising like this thread was presumably intended for

Before Wilt came into the NBA, the seasonal ppg record was 29 ppg. I wonder how many people back then honestly believed that someone could average 50 ppg for an entire season?

Furthermore, Chamberlain played in the league 14 years, and was setting records into his LAST season. How come it was basically ONLY Wilt that was doing it?

[Rizko]

Pop is another

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/why-the-spurs-are-truly-the-best-team-in-the-league-this-year/


The Spurs will be the first team since the ABA-NBA merger not to have a single player average 30 minutes per game.

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/gregg-popovich-teeth.jpg

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--T-v2osu_--/18s08dn7pwd0vjpg.jpg

[Rizko]

He'd scored 75 a game today according to Walt Frazier. You mad? Is he trolling you you think?
No hes not trolling. He is an old man who believes what he believes. He played at the same time as Wilt so obviously he is going to think highly of him.

I'm pretty positive if you asked clyde about it he would say the 75 is hyperbole to big up a guy he feels gets disrespected and a sign of respect for one of the people who helped keep the NBA viable in the beginning and allowed him to play basketball for a living and make good money off it

[dunksby]

Let's not forget the important lesson here, Knicks :roll:

[Rizko]

Triple post

The thing your failing to account for is that coaches have changed how they manage minutes and play the general strategy of team construction since the analytics movement. Is it better to get Wilt playing 48 mins but having to conserve bit of energy in different parts of the game to make sure he can go 100 in crunch time. Or play him 40-42 mins and let him go balls to that wall?

I think Wilt in his prime would be something like a 25 ppg 14rpg 3 apg and 3 bpg on 60% shooting. Thats elite numbers and with his defense he would be the best player in the league so I'm not hating on him at all.

[LAZERUSS]

Kareem played four years IN the Wilt era.

The same Kareem, who at age 39, and in only 37 minutes, plastered Hakeem with a 46 point game (his THIRD 40+ point game against him BTW.)

And yet, KAJ's career high game was "only" 55. How come he wasn't routinely hanging a 100 on the same centers that a prime Chamberlain was murdering a few years earlier?

But an old KAJ could score at will against Hakeem? The same Hakeem who gave Shaq all he could handle in the '95 Finals?

[Rizko]

Kareem played four years IN the Wilt era.

The same Kareem, who at age 39, and in only 37 minutes, plastered Hakeem with a 46 point game (his THIRD 40+ point game against him BTW.)

And yet, KAJ's career high game was "only" 55. How come he wasn't routinely 100 on the same centers that a prime Chamberlain was murdering a few years earlier?

But an old KAJ could score at will against Hakeem? The same Hakeem who gave Shaq all he could handle in the '95 Finals?
Cool. I agree Wilt would be great. Read my last post. I said hed be the best in the NBA in his prime right now.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/why-the-spurs-are-truly-the-best-team-in-the-league-this-year/



http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/gregg-popovich-teeth.jpg

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--T-v2osu_--/18s08dn7pwd0vjpg.jpg
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2015/01/16/live-updates-leonard-will-start-vs-blazers/

"There are no limitations on Leonard’s minutes, Popovich said, with his availability depending strictly on what his conditioning allows for."

“He’ll probably limit himself, I would imagine,” Popovich said

So what do you presume, he'd acquire Wilt and suddenly say "now wait a minute Wilt, other players get to play as much as they can but NOT you... I will make you play 40 minutes or less. IDGAF about your stamina, ability to avoid fouls, positive impact on the game, or any of that nonsense."

[$LakerGold]

I don't get it, the game has evolved to where it is now in terms of playing at a high level with pain-in-the-ass rules. Peaked in the 2000s, game is soft today.

Weren't you allowed to camp in the key without getting a call from the refs? LMFAO. Imagine if Shaq did that.

Wilt--dominant. pshh

[LAZERUSS]

I don't get it, the game has evolved to where it is now in terms of playing at a high level with pain-in-the-ass rules. Peaked in the 2000s, game is soft today.

Weren't you allowed to camp in the key without getting a call from the refs? LMFAO. Imagine if Shaq did that.

Wilt--dominant. pshh

Do some research before you post...please.

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't get it, the game has evolved to where it is now in terms of playing at a high level with pain-in-the-ass rules. Peaked in the 2000s, game is soft today.

Weren't you allowed to camp in the key without getting a call from the refs? LMFAO. Imagine if Shaq did that.

Wilt--dominant. pshh
The key exists so that you CAN'T camp in it. 3 seconds was actually called more readily against Wilt/Kareem than I see today. Today guys like Bynum were getting away with being in the key 5 seconds or more.

[LAZERUSS]

I don't get it, the game has evolved to where it is now in terms of playing at a high level with pain-in-the-ass rules. Peaked in the 2000s, game is soft today.

Weren't you allowed to camp in the key without getting a call from the refs? LMFAO. Imagine if Shaq did that.

Wilt--dominant. pshh

Can you imagine the numbers Wilt could have put up had he been allowed to play like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew

[Psileas]

Hes posted here for years. Just because its not like 3 pages back doesnt mean hes posted this thread before.

So, you make a big deal out of a thread that is posted once or twice per year compared to the hundreds of similar Kobe/LeBron/Jordan threads made by certain posters?

[Rizko]

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2015/01/16/live-updates-leonard-will-start-vs-blazers/

"There are no limitations on Leonard

[CavaliersFTW]

Did you read the article?



Its an article saying that kawhi- who had been injured for just shy of 20 games- wouldn't be on a mins restriction due to the injury. Meaning he could play the normal amount of minutes he would normally play if he felt like he could do it. Not that he could choose his minutes.

1/10 for the effort.
There are no limitations on Kawhi's minutes. He's pretty clear about it. You're reaching now.

[Rizko]

So, you make a big deal out of a thread that is posted once or twice per year compared to the hundreds of similar Kobe/LeBron/Jordan threads made by certain posters?
It's been more then once or twice a year. ISH goes thru hundreds of pages a year.

The jordan, lebron, and kobe people are lost causes. Not worth trying to even talk ball with.

Cavs knows ball I just feel like his attempts to praise wilt lead to him actually being mocked by the general populace and as someone who respects older basketball I feel the need to say my piece.

[CavaliersFTW]

It's been more then once or twice a year. ISH goes thru hundreds of pages a year.

The jordan, lebron, and kobe people are lost causes. Not worth trying to even talk ball with.

Cavs knows ball I just feel like his attempts to praise wilt lead to him actually being mocked by the general populace and as someone who respects older basketball I feel the need to say my piece.
:facepalm

Let's be real. You aren't worried about me being mocked. And you shouldn't be. You just disagree with me and others when we praise Wilt Chamberlain.

Why you care so much that threads are made about videos I create that attempt to highlight parts of his game, or posts are made celebrating days he did something historic (like scored 100 points) is beyond me.

I feel I'm being reasonable. I'm just a fan sharing one of my particular interests in the history of the sport. You coming in here complaining about the existence of a thread like this, to me, is what is unreasonable.

[Rizko]

There are no limitations on Kawhi's minutes. He's pretty clear about it. You're reaching now.
LOL

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/gregg-popovich-in-pop-we-trust-20140602


Most NBA players want more minutes, craving the opportunity to play as close to 48 as possible. Some of that is born of old-fashioned, competitive natures; more is about wanting the spotlight and gaudier statistics. Yet Popovich has developed a minute-allocation strategy that limits every player's service time dramatically, essentially suppressing individual stats. The player on the Spurs who averaged the most minutes this season was Parker, at a paltry 29.4 per game, good for 110th in the league.

And yet no one complains, and everyone accepts their diminished minutes happily. In Pop they trust.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/09/26/pop-wants-more-consistentcy-leonard-wants-more-minutes/

[QUOTE]Conversely, Leonard had a challenge for his coach: Give me more minutes, and I

[GreggPopazit]

I wish I could have been alive to see it.

[warriorfan]

Cavs you are good bro these wilt haters are just getting salty from the massive doses of ether being poured all over them

[Rizko]

:facepalm

Let's be real. You aren't worried about me being mocked. And you shouldn't be. You just disagree with me and others when we praise Wilt Chamberlain.

Why you care so much that threads are made about videos I create that attempt to highlight parts of his game, or posts are made celebrating days he did something historic (like scored 100 points) is beyond me.

I feel I'm being reasonable. I'm just a fan sharing one of my particular interests in the history of the sport. You coming in here complaining about the existence of a thread like this, to me, is what is unreasonable.
I dont give a shit if you get mocked. I said I dont want WILT to get mocked. lol people can shit on you as much as they want

Read my post in the perpendicular pick and roll thread. I asked a question about Walton and Russell and who they compare to today (not exact comparisons mind you, but guys who play that archetype).

[Rizko]

BTW you do make good videos. So no hating on that. Keep up the good work.

IDK if you'v made one yet but a Earl Monroe video would be sick

[Psileas]

It's been more then once or twice a year. ISH goes thru hundreds of pages a year.

The jordan, lebron, and kobe people are lost causes. Not worth trying to even talk ball with.

Cavs knows ball I just feel like his attempts to praise wilt lead to him actually being mocked by the general populace and as someone who respects older basketball I feel the need to say my piece.

Cavs and others get mocked by pretty much the same people that you call "lost causes", so I don't feel they're worthy of being mentioned. I feel that it's mostly their beliefs that these people mock them about, not the efforts they put to support them (apart from the occasional satire about Lazeruss' bulky replies), although these efforts may intensify the mocks (but usually not create them).

[Rizko]

Cavs and others get mocked by pretty much the same people that you call "lost causes", so I don't feel they're worthy of being mentioned. I feel that it's mostly their beliefs that these people mock them about, not the efforts they put to support them (apart from the occasional satire about Lazeruss' bulky replies), although these efforts may intensify the mocks (but usually not create them).
I meant Wilt getting mocked. i was typing fast and didn't proofread.

Mock away at cavs lol! Hes an adult and, more importantly, hes alive and can confront the accusations.

[CavaliersFTW]

LOL

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/gregg-popovich-in-pop-we-trust-20140602



http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/09/26/pop-wants-more-consistentcy-leonard-wants-more-minutes/



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2071638-gregg-popovich-players-really-get-screwed-sometimes-playing-for-me
How about Phil Jackson:
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/16/sports/la-sp-ln-phil-jackson-compares-wilt-chamberlain-shaquille-oneal-20130616

"Shaquille didn't have quite the same athleticism that Wilt had," said Jackson. "He had the bounce and he had the speed, but he didn't have the endurance."

As detailed in his memoir, "Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success," Jackson told O'Neal that Chamberlain's greatest accomplishment came in the 1961-62 season when he averaged 48.5 minutes a game.

And according to Shaq, I don't have the interview link on hand but next time I find it I'll try and capture it for my channel - but according to Shaq Phil challenged Shaq after telling him about Wilt's 48.5 minutes average to shoot for that.

[aj1987]

Dude was a statpadder. Never fouled out because he stopped playing defender to preserve his streak. The definition of one.

Weak ass era, tried solely for stats, etc..

[Rizko]

How about Phil Jackson
Thats fine. I didn't argue that point about Phil Jackson. i just disagreed with your assertion that Pop doesn't restrict minutes.

Pop does. Phil doesnt.

Still wouldn't play 48 mins a game due to the fact that the NBAs softer now and he would get a lot of tick tacky calls that would force coaches to take him out of the game just to avoid serious foul trouble.

I mean in this thread ive credited Wilts work in the early NBA keeping it afloat and i've claimed Wilt would be the best player in the NBA, would be about 25 ppg, 14 rpg, 3 apg and 3 bpg on 60% in his prime with elite defense.

The only thing I've said you seem to have issue with is my contention that he would be at around 40 mpg in todays game. If you think thats slighting Wilt then idk what to tell you...

[CavaliersFTW]

Thats fine. I didn't argue that point about Phil Jackson. i just disagreed with your assertion that Pop doesn't restrict minutes.

Pop does. Phil doesnt.

Still wouldn't play 48 mins a game due to the fact that the NBAs softer now and he would get a lot of tick tacky calls that would force coaches to take him out of the game just to avoid serious foul trouble
Superstars get superstar calls, he was and still would be a superstar.

He'd be allowed to goaltend more as he did in his own time, and would get away with beneficial defensive "verticality" rules (a-la Roy Hibbert) etc a lot more. His playing style would etch itself into the mind of modern NBA refs just like it did in his own time He'd push and establish the boundaries for what he could get away with, just like Shaq did with his physicality in the post (what used to be offensive fouls, weren't called as such when he did them), or just like Hakeem with his footwork (some of his highlights on his hop steps and up and under spins he travels, but it doesn't get called). One of Wilt's trademarks was that he never picked up fouls.

Wilt was a boundary breaker. You can't pigeon hole him into today's systems and trends any more than you could try and convince yourself a guy like Michael Jordan would have to become a 3 point specialist in today's era or something due to a few modern players recent influences on metrics and efficiency and sharpshooting.

[Rizko]

Do you think I dont think Wilt would be CAPABLE of playing 48 mins a game? He physically could. I just dont think he WOULD in the modern NBA thru no fault of his own.

Just like if I said i dont think Nolan Ryan would be throwing all those complete games he did back in the day. HE COULD, but the game is played differently so he wouldnt due to his coaches

[warriorfan]

Do you think I dont think Wilt would be CAPABLE of playing 48 mins a game? He physically could. I just dont think he WOULD in the modern NBA thru no fault of his own.




Why not?

[Rizko]

just like Shaq did with his physicality in the post (what used to be offensive fouls, weren't called as such when he did them)
In 2000. When the game was more physical. Its not as physical now.

Comparing the NBA in 2000 to now is like comparing 1985 nba to 2000. Different games. 1985 was fast break ball. 200 was grind it out ball. today is slash and kick ball. The slash and kick league always favors the guard over the bigman. It would be unfair to Wilt but hes good enough that hed still be elite.

Doesn't mean that the culture of the game wouldn't make it so that Wilts physicality would be held against him, as unfair as that is

[aj1987]

Do you think I dont think Wilt would be CAPABLE of playing 48 mins a game? He physically could. I just dont think he WOULD in the modern NBA thru no fault of his own.
His "blocks" would essentially be goal tends today. He could statpad to his heart's content, but coaches wouldn't play him longer than 38-40 minutes a game.

Now that I think about it, dude is basically DeAndre Jordan with slightly better offense.

[Rizko]

Why not?
LOL did you even finish reading the post?

Im done with this. Its obvious your dead set on trying to argue Wilt would be playing every minute of every game even tho all evidence suggests otherwise. There are variable that effect players #'s independent of them, including minutes, and if you don't see how those elements would effect wilts minutes then IDK what to tell you.

Again look at what I said:


I mean in this thread ive credited Wilts work in the early NBA keeping it afloat and i've claimed Wilt would be the best player in the NBA, would be about 25 ppg, 14 rpg, 3 apg and 3 bpg on 60% in his prime with elite defense at 40ish mpg

If you think thats an insult to Wilt, thats fine, its whatever. But realize that compared to most people my age thats as serious of praise as you can get

[CavaliersFTW]

In 2000. When the game was more physical. Its not as physical now.

Comparing the NBA in 2000 to now is like comparing 1985 nba to 2000. Different games. 1985 was fast break ball. 200 was grind it out ball. today is slash and kick ball. The slash and kick league always favors the guard over the bigman. It would be unfair to Wilt but hes good enough that hed still be elite.

Doesn't mean that the culture of the game wouldn't make it so that Wilts physicality would be held against him, as unfair as that is
The league's styles, rules, trends, etc bend in the presence of the great superstars...

Wilt was as super a superstar has ever been in the NBA.

The league would cater to his playstyle and impact for decades, just like they did in his own time, not the other way around. Because he was an absolute marvel. He isn't going to be pigeon holed to playing the game the way you see it played today. All of his trademarks of his own time, the 48 minutes a game, the stupendous scoring and rebounding and shot blocking, the never fouling out, you don't think the league would be drooling over all of that marketability with him? You think they'd stamp that stuff out instead of try to exploit him and help him (depending on the team/market)?

We just have a different opinion about this. That's how superstars impact the game. The elite caliber players put their fingerprints on the game not the otherway around. It happened with Michael Jordan. It happened with Wilt, it happened with Shaq and Kobe, and AI... that's just how the game evolves. They didn't play like how the league's trends that existed prior to their presence in the NBA allowed, they did their own thing and the league followed suit.

[Marchesk]

His "blocks" would essentially be goal tends today. He could statpad to his heart's content, but coaches wouldn't play him longer than 38-40 minutes a game.

Now that I think about it, dude is basically DeAndre Jordan with slightly better offense.

For starters, isn't Wilt taller? Wilt would be like a 7'1" Ibaka with longer reach blocking shots. We saw how good of a blocker Mutombo and Eaton were in the modern era. Wilt is way more coordinated and athletic than both of them.

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[aj1987]

For starters, isn't Wilt taller? Wilt would be like a 7'1" Ibaka with longer reach blocking shots. We saw how good of a blocker Mutombo and Eaton were in the modern era. Wilt is way more coordinated and athletic than both of them.

Doesn't change the FACT that he got a TON of goaltends as blocks. The McGee (yeah, I'm not one of the idiots who compares him to Wilt) "block" from Shaqtin' would've been a goaltend in Wilt's era.

[Marchesk]

Doesn't change the FACT that he got a TON of goaltends as blocks. The McGee (yeah, I'm not one of the idiots who compares him to Wilt) "block" from Shaqtin' would've been a goaltend in Wilt's era.

Sure, I'm not saying he would get 7-10 blocks a game. That was a higher pace with more shots available for blocking, and they may have been lenient with officiating his shot blocks, at least on some of the highlights available. Or the rule is interpreted more strictly today.

But it doesn't change the fact that we have every reason to think he would be the best shot blocker in the game now. At least on par with Eaton.

[CavaliersFTW]

Sure, I'm not saying he would get 7-10 blocks a game. That was a higher pace with more shots available for blocking, and they may have been lenient with officiating his shot blocks, at least on some of the highlights available. Or the rule is interpreted more strictly today.

But it doesn't change the fact that we have every reason to think he would be the best shot blocker in the game today.
He and Russell both got whistled for goal tending several times a game. They didn't care, they went after everything - blocked 6 or 7 shots a game, maybe even more at their peaks as a result.

Watch some of the highlights from the 72 ASG I just posted of the west centers. You'll see Jabbar get whistled for goal tending his first two attempts at blocking a shot. They weren't more lenient in that era. I think people just believe that because a lot of the Wilt, Russell, and Jabbar footage contains clips of goaltending and fans assume that it was okay... no, it was still goal tending. It's just awesome looking footage so it gets used a lot. Of course, as tenured veterans guys like Wilt and Russ did get some more benefit of the doubt on those hard to tell plays. No more so than Dwight Howard today. Dwight gets away with "goal tends" too.

So anyone who tries to argue Wilt wouldn't/couldn't get away with whatever is kidding themselves. He's a superstar, he's gonna earn superstar calls. And like you said, he's also the most physically gifted player on the floor when it comes to shot blocking. Catching shots with one hand in mid air and what not. Not exactly a common ability.