Worker Unions: Are you for or against them?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Personally, I'm against them. In so many situations all worker unions do is allow totally shit and lazy employees to keep ducking punishment and stay employed when they should get canned.

People wonder why the US postal service sucks so much ass when compared to UPS or Fed Ex and it's simple, nearly everyone who works for them is in the union and gets caught up in union drama rather than just focusing on their own job. They also keep a bunch of clearly underqualified workers employed because of union pressure.

It's not like it even helps the employees that much. If I have a problem I take it to my manager, address my concern, and then we work it out. It's that simple. Yet in a work environment where the union is involved heavily, when you have a problem you have to take it to a union steward and then wait for them to file a grievance and hope that they summarized your side of the story correctly and then wait to hear back from... not your boss, but the union steward on whether or not your concern was addressed. Shit is dumb.

[MavsSuperFan]

Depends on the situation.

Some unions have too much power and some workers are legitimately being treated horribly by their bosses, and/or working in unsafe conditions.

[ALBballer]

1/2 of UPS workforce is unionized

[GreggPopazit]

Unions are good for people who work for shitty companies (e.g., Walmart) that we can survive without if they go on strike. The issue is when much more necessary things have unions and they use it as leverage and go on strike (e.g., police, teachers).

[Velocirap31]

Unions are good for people who work for shitty companies (e.g., Walmart) that we can survive without if they go on strike. The issue is when much more necessary things have unions and they use it as leverage and go on strike (e.g., police, teachers).

This is exactly it. :applause:

[Real Men Wear Green]

They should be legal. It's just about negotiation, if you're going to have a free market system then the workers should have the right to bargain collectively. They shouldn't be allowed to actively bar their employer from employing other people or in any other way actively preventing business but if they choose to strike you can't force them to work, that's slavery.

[Nanners]

the **** you talking about, the us postal service is awesome

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/12/shipping-comparison-fedex-vs-ups-vs-us-postal-service/index.htm

[NumberSix]

How many people here know the original purpose of unions?

[DeuceWallaces]

Almost always for.

[Akrazotile]

How many people here know the original purpose of unions?


It was to protect the 99% against global warming (which george bush created)


DUH

[Akrazotile]

Almost always for.


But only cause you think thats the side of the debate you think will make you look hip and advanced, right?

Like Im sayin, you couldnt articulate anything about your actul position, right? I mean obviously you didnt. I aint attackin you or anything, I'm just sayin, we both on the same page here right that youre always desperate to try and take the "cool" position bc you never have your own real opinions? We in agreement on that, right? You know the deal. You know what it be. Youre a liberal poser through and through, it's all good, I'm just piggybackin your post, like tryin to point out that if I was always posturing awkwardly like you do, I'd probably post that exact same thing you did. Cheers homie :cheers:

[DeuceWallaces]

I'm not sure pro-union is considered hip or advanced. Have you ever been in a union?

You and your sister have one so you can more easily extort your daddy to survive?

[Akrazotile]

I'm not sure pro-union is considered hip or advanced. Have you ever been in a union?

You and your sister have one so you can more easily extort your daddy to survive?


Nah we each negotiate based on our own merit, LIKE A BAWSE.

Why do you support unions bruh? Articulate it for us.

[gigantes]

Worker Unions: Are you for or against them?
if it's on ISH, the typical answer must be FOR or AGAINST.

if you actually have a tiny bit of understanding upon the matter, you already know that unions were instrumental in helping workers gain huge amounts of magna carta-type rights in the modern age, then morph in to a highly corrupt and abusive juggernaut that didn't give a shit about the values that got them their in the first place.

[BRabbiT]

in principle, for

[HitandRun Reggie]

I used to think unions serve a great purpose against the greedy corporate scumbags who are slowly monopolizing business. However after union members started throwing crap at my vehicle and trying to make me cause a traffic accident, for crossing their picket line as a 3rd party individual who had nothing to do with their strike, I started to rethink my position about them.

[KNOW1EDGE]

the **** you talking about, the us postal service is awesome

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/12/shipping-comparison-fedex-vs-ups-vs-us-postal-service/index.htm

I didnt even bother to read the link. :no:

But i can tell you from experience (buy and sell on e-bay a lot) that USPS is very dependable and trustworthy with great prices.

But their customer service is usually horrible. Only have 1 or maybe 2 people working the front desk even at peak rush hour times. Gigantic lines with 1 grumpy worker. Sometimes gotta wait upwards of a half hour to mail something out. (Other times it can take 5 min)

As far as unions go, I honestly don't care, I've never worked for a union and never will. :confusedshrug:

[JerrySeinfeld]

I used to think unions serve a great purpose against the greedy corporate scumbags who are slowly monopolizing business. However after union members started throwing crap at my vehicle and trying to make me cause a traffic accident, for crossing their picket line as a 3rd party individual who had nothing to do with their strike, I started to rethink my position about them.

:wtf: they really did this?

Thats terrible.

[Swaggin916]

I worked at a rice mill that was teamsters and I liked the union. It protected workers but if you worked hard you were recognized by the company. My friend makes a higher wage than his co workers because he's a hard worker and the company rewarded him for it. It's on the down low. If he wanted a company job then they would hold him in high regard. It's not like that everywhere I'm sure but that's the only union job I have had and that's what the experience was like.

[kNIOKAS]

It is a flawed way to phrase a question. Union is a tool for workers to leverege the exploitation by the employers to a degree.

Now OP is a misguided **** who only cares if somebody he considers lesser than him gets a tiny bit of a break. He is controlled from above via the ideology working on the principle divide and conquer. He's got wool on his eyes. Let me guess, you're seconds away from becoming a next billionaire?

Now that doesn't say that the groups of people that attain power will not abuse it and consider others around them... There are douchebags of people and they form groups, no surprise.

[iamgine]

Like a lot of things, union is great where it can be applied correctly and bad where it's unnecessary or the people aren't ready.

[Done_And_Done]

Unions are good for people who work for shitty companies (e.g., Walmart) that we can survive without if they go on strike. The issue is when much more necessary things have unions and they use it as leverage and go on strike (e.g., police, teachers).


You just nailed my current real life situation. All the TA's and contract profs working at my Uni just agreed to strike effective immediately, thus cancelling all class until they ratify a deal.

While I grasp both sides of the union argument, this particular union is seriously f*ucking with my life right now.

[Balla_Status]

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You just nailed my current real life situation. All the TA's and contract profs working at my Uni just agreed to strike effective immediately, thus cancelling all class until they ratify a deal.

While I grasp both sides of the union argument, this particular union is seriously f*ucking with my life right now.

Is this in Toronto? York uni?

[falc39]

Unions are good for people who work for shitty companies (e.g., Walmart) that we can survive without if they go on strike. The issue is when much more necessary things have unions and they use it as leverage and go on strike (e.g., police, teachers).

Yup, that's the reason why FDR was adamantly against unions for government employees.

[NumberSix]

if it's on ISH, the typical answer must be FOR or AGAINST.

if you actually have a tiny bit of understanding upon the matter, you already know that unions were instrumental in helping workers gain huge amounts of magna carta-type rights in the modern age, then morph in to a highly corrupt and abusive juggernaut that didn't give a shit about the values that got them their in the first place.
They were very instrumental in making sure white workers don't lose their jobs to blacks who were willing to work for less.

[DukeDelonte13]

you can't want a free market and then say no to unions. A free market with unions outlawed is not a free market.


They serve obvious purposes.

People wanna bitch that local govs are letting unions walk all over them? Don't elect dingbats with no political or legal exp. to your local government. Those problems are on both sides of the fence, not just on one.

[BRabbiT]

Like a lot of things, union is great where it can be applied correctly and bad where it's unnecessary or the people aren't ready.


this.

[NumberSix]

you can't want a free market and then say no to unions. A free market with unions outlawed is not a free market.


They serve obvious purposes.

People wanna bitch that local govs are letting unions walk all over them? Don't elect dingbats with no political or legal exp. to your local government. Those problems are on both sides of the fence, not just on one.
Employees should be able to collectively bargain. Nobody who advocates a free market would disagree with that.

If I have some employees and they come to me and say they want a raise or more time off, I can say "well, you guys are very valuable and I'd hate to lose you. I think I can do what you guys asked for". But, if I don't think they're worth what they're asking for, I should also be able to say "I'm sorry you guys feel that way. I hate to lose you, but if what I'm paying isn't satisfactory for you, perhaps it's time you move on to something else and I'll hire some new guys who agree with what the job offers".

[Akrazotile]

you can't want a free market and then say no to unions. A free market with unions outlawed is not a free market.


They serve obvious purposes.

People wanna bitch that local govs are letting unions walk all over them? Don't elect dingbats with no political or legal exp. to your local government. Those problems are on both sides of the fence, not just on one.


Of course you can't.


But since you don't support free markets, what is your opinion?