Feds accuse Ferguson police of institutionalized racism

[HitandRun Reggie]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/03/390464149/source-probe-of-ferguson-police-uncovers-racist-comments-about-obama

This is one of the least competent justice departments in history, so you have to take the report with a grain of salt, especially considering they were out for blood after failing to dig up anything on Zimmermann or Darren Wilson, but they are some concerning statistics in Ferguson. I mean until blacks get control of their communities racial statistics will ALWAYS be lopsided against them, that's more their fault than anyone or anything else but some of these statistics in Ferguson go beyond just being lopsided.

95% of jaywalking charges are against blacks

94% of failure to comply charges are against blacks

92% of disturbing the peace charges are against blacks

And blacks are nearly 70% less likely than whites to have their cases dismissed

Plus some racist emails regarding Obama passed around by court employees and this:
A black woman who had just had an abortion was sent a check from "Crime Stoppers" issued by the police :biggums:

[GreggPopazit]

Apparently white people always use cross walks.

[MavsSuperFan]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/03/390464149/source-probe-of-ferguson-police-uncovers-racist-comments-about-obama

This is one of the least competent justice departments in history, so you have to take the report with a grain of salt, especially considering they were out for blood after failing to dig up anything on Zimmermann or Darren Wilson, but they are some concerning statistics in Ferguson. I mean until blacks get control of their communities racial statistics will ALWAYS be lopsided against them, that's more their fault than anyone or anything else but some of these statistics in Ferguson go beyond just being lopsided.

95% of jaywalking charges are against blacks

94% of failure to comply charges are against blacks

92% of disturbing the peace charges are against blacks

And blacks are nearly 70% less likely than whites to have their cases dismissed

If there is a systemic problem where white cops are unwilling to issue citations against white people when they jaywalk or are loud and disturb the peace than that is a problem and hopefully they address it.

White people and black people should get the equal punishment for defying authorities and failing to comply with the police.

[NumberSix]

Is there any actual evidence, or are they just using the results alone as evidence?

I saw on cnn something about emails cracking racial jokes about President Obama, but is there any actual info about officers being encouraged to target black citizens?

[KNOW1EDGE]

Don't care

[Akrazotile]

I already posted the solution to this here months ago.

STOP permitting white police officers to patrol black neighborhoods. It's too racist, the opportunity for abuse is too great. Remove white officers from black neighborhoods. PERIOD.

[KNOW1EDGE]

You can't get rid of racism by applying more racism ^^^

How bout this, black people stop committing crimes and take some responsibility and accountability for their misfortunes like the rest of us. :confusedshrug:

Innocent black people have nothing to worry about, just like whites, hispanics, Arabs etc etc

Guilty black people have to worry about being arrested, just like whites, hispanics, Arabs etc etc

[Pointguard]

You can't get rid of racism by applying more racism ^^^

How bout this, black people stop committing crimes and take some responsibility and accountability for their misfortunes like the rest of us. :confusedshrug:

Innocent black people have nothing to worry about, just like whites, hispanics, Arabs etc etc

Guilty black people have to worry about being arrested, just like whites, hispanics, Arabs etc etc

Since you and Number Six don't have the reading ability to read the OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Yg6fWxdLE

And that probably got turned into a failure to comply stat because he couldn't control where his blood was going in the beat down.

Everybody I know Jay Walks. And then it seems like the 5% that get caught for it in Ferguson get it dismissed anyway. Jay Walking is just a way for cops to harass you.

[Godzuki]

Apparently white people always use cross walks.


pretty sure white people are generally more apt to walk another 100 steps to use a crosswalk

a lot of black people, especially young black ghetto people just don't give a fukk about petty laws

but maybe thats just my racist views talking :confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

pretty sure white people are generally more apt to walk another 100 steps to use a crosswalk

Nope. Whites are found with contraband more often, but are allowed to walk.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/blacks-overwhelmingly-get-stopped-by-the-police-in-ferguson#.lpxZ3r5kLD

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-08/11/2/enhanced/webdr06/original-23564-1407739180-16.png


But despite the fact that blacks are both stopped and arrested in larger numbers in Ferguson, whites are actually more likely to have contraband.
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-08/11/2/enhanced/webdr08/original-26850-1407739334-4.png

[NumberSix]

But despite the fact that blacks are both stopped and arrested in larger numbers in Ferguson, whites are actually more likely to have contraband.
Yes, and Chris Andersen shoots a higher percent on 3s than Steph Curry.

These stats don't actually mean whites are "more likely" to have contraband. It just means the ones the cops actually search are very likely to have contraband whereas cops decide to search blacks whether they are likely to have contraband or not.

[Droid101]

Yes, and Chris Andersen shoots a higher percent on 3s than Steph Curry.

These stats don't actually mean whites are "more likely" to have contraband. It just means the ones the cops actually search are very likely to have contraband whereas cops decide to search blacks whether they are likely to have contraband or not.
Still relevant unless you think they search a lower percentage of the blacks they pull over/stop on the street.

[Godzuki]

Nope. Whites are found with contraband more often, but are allowed to walk.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/blacks-overwhelmingly-get-stopped-by-the-police-in-ferguson#.lpxZ3r5kLD

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-08/11/2/enhanced/webdr06/original-23564-1407739180-16.png


But despite the fact that blacks are both stopped and arrested in larger numbers in Ferguson, whites are actually more likely to have contraband.
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-08/11/2/enhanced/webdr08/original-26850-1407739334-4.png

thats surprsing.

i just wonder with a almost 70% black population, obviously more blacks will be pulled over more for traffic stops, and i assume whites are in the 25%~ range and rest being other minorities. its probably easier to spot poor white drug addicts than the distinguished type as well, especially in a small town, so the hit success rate would be higher.

i'm not saying Ferguson cops aren't racist at all, but i think there are some dramatics with those stats.

[NumberSix]

Still relevant unless you think they search a lower percentage of the blacks they pull over/stop on the street.
You make a good point, but then you ruin by adding a dishonest point.

Cops disproportionately search blacks. It's a fact. If that's your point, it can't be disputed. But then, you ruin it with the false claim that "whites are more likely to have contraband".

Do you honestly think that 34% of whites are walking around with illegal contraband? Of course you don't. So, you obviously understand it only means that 34% of whites that the police deem suspicious enough to warrant a search are possessing contraband.

The obvious point here is that the standard of what the police deem "suspicious" is not the same for blacks as it is for whites. THAT is the point to make.

[Akrazotile]

Nope. Whites are found with contraband more often, but are allowed to walk.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/blacks-overwhelmingly-get-stopped-by-the-police-in-ferguson#.lpxZ3r5kLD

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-08/11/2/enhanced/webdr06/original-23564-1407739180-16.png


But despite the fact that blacks are both stopped and arrested in larger numbers in Ferguson, whites are actually more likely to have contraband.
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-08/11/2/enhanced/webdr08/original-26850-1407739334-4.png


Dumb stastistic.

If this is a predominantly black area of lower socioeconimic status, drugs are likely to be a major reason any white person who gets pulled over is even there in the first place. A black guy who is speeding or fighting with a neighbor or suspected of shoplifting etc probably lives there, so the rates of contraband related arrests are of course gonna be lower by percantage than if the majority of criminal activity by whites in the area is strictly related to drugs (or at least much more closely by percentage)


You have this really awkward mother theresa complex for coddling people which results in some really bizarre stretching and reaching. May I ask, what specifically makes you want to be a woman instead of a man?

[Droid101]

May I ask, what specifically makes you want to be a woman instead of a man?
A chance to date a dilettante such as yourself.


I'm an avid enthusiast of astronomy, atomic physics, ecology, philosophy, and all the natural wonderment of the world! I'm not even trying to be arrogant or humorous when I make fun of the idiots that spend all their time on facebook and twitter and instragram and posting selfies. I'm just being completely honest about how I feel in that regard. I don't understand how their simple minds work. I can't compute how an intellect could be so shallow as to function that way. Life is so fascinating in so many ways, it's really remarkable how few people actually care. I suppose those people who spend time on social media are just yet another layer of fascination . They remind me of ants. Dumb and compulsively following the crowd, no apparent depth of consciousness or salience of mind. They're like little robots who live and think within the tiniest of spectra. It's amazing to study them. Sometimes I walk up to them with a magnifying glass, and when they say hey what the hell are you doing, I just say shut up, keep behaving like the natural ignoramus you are while I observe you intently. Usually the interaction doesn't end well, but I persist nonetheless.

[warriorfan]

Well duh

I accuse water of being wet and brock lesnar of being strong as fvk



this

[KNOW1EDGE]

Racism and white privelage are both obviously still alive and well in America.

But like I said, you cant get rid of racism by applying more racism.

The first step, that only black communities can control, is to take responsibility, be accountable, and stop committing crimes.

You can not change other people, only yourself.

Don give the Police a reason to harass you and you will be fine regardless of your skin color. That is reality. There are exceptions to the rule for people of all colors and creeds, but generally speaking, be a law-abiding, respectable citizen and you will be absolutely fine.

[JtotheIzzo]

I already posted the solution to this here months ago.

STOP permitting white police officers to patrol black neighborhoods. It's too racist, the opportunity for abuse is too great. Remove white officers from black neighborhoods. PERIOD.

Then you are acknowledging an institutional problem or short coming so if any black is ever harassed by a white cop anywhere they can cite this regulation.

The reality is too many black people are rude to cops, and try to act hard when dealing with cops. its a recipe for disaster.

[Pointguard]

Dumb stastistic.
Did you take its IQ?


If this is a predominantly black area of lower socioeconimic status, drugs are likely to be a major reason any white person who gets pulled over is even there in the first place. A black guy who is speeding or fighting with a neighbor or suspected of shoplifting etc
Really, in his car??? I'm sure in Furguson they've probably been charged as much in their car, along with bleeding on the cop beating him up.

[MavsSuperFan]

Everybody I know Jay Walks. And then it seems like the 5% that get caught for it in Ferguson get it dismissed anyway. Jay Walking is just a way for cops to harass you.
I disagree with that.

I am a hypocrite on this as i some times jaywalk to save time as a pedestrian.

but i have had an instance of stupid kids jaywalking in front of me at night as i was driving down the street. Its kind of jarring as a driver to have some guy pop out of trees or bushes in the median of a street at night in front of you. As the driver you know you will be held responsible.

I have no problem with cops issuing citations for jaywalking.

[DeuceWallaces]

Racism and white privelage are both obviously still alive and well in America.

But like I said, you cant get rid of racism by applying more racism.

The first step, that only black communities can control, is to take responsibility, be accountable, and stop committing crimes.

You can not change other people, only yourself.

Don give the Police a reason to harass you and you will be fine regardless of your skin color. That is reality. There are exceptions to the rule for people of all colors and creeds, but generally speaking, be a law-abiding, respectable citizen and you will be absolutely fine.

This situation has little to do with black accountability.

If you actually read through the report it's pretty sad how bad their department is. The numbers are staggering.

[The Iron Sheik]

I already posted the solution to this here months ago.

STOP permitting white police officers to patrol black neighborhoods. It's too racist, the opportunity for abuse is too great. Remove white officers from black neighborhoods. PERIOD.

removing white people everywhere would an even better option

[KNOW1EDGE]

Carry yourself in a respectable, appropriate manner, don't commit crimes, cooperate with the police and I promise you that everything will be ok regardless of the color of your skin.

That is reality.

[DeuceWallaces]

Carry yourself in a respectable, appropriate manner, don't commit crimes, cooperate with the police and I promise you that everything will be ok regardless of the color of your skin.

That is reality.

The reality appears to be that you did not read over the report, because that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[tomtucker]

I already posted the solution to this here months ago.

STOP permitting white police officers to patrol black neighborhoods. It's too racist, the opportunity for abuse is too great. Remove white officers from black neighborhoods. PERIOD.

so no cops there ?........... or only black cops ?

[gts]

Washington (CNN)The Justice Department formally closed its investigation of Ferguson Police officer Darren Wilson, declining to bring criminal charges for the killing of Michael Brown.

In a report released Wednesday, prosecutors said that "Wilson's actions do not constitute prosecutable violations" of federal civil rights law.

"There is no evidence upon which prosecutors can rely to disprove Wilson's stated subjective belief that he feared for his safety," the Justice Department report said.



"While credible witnesses gave varying accounts of exactly what Brown was doing with his hands as he moved toward Wilson -- ie, balling them, holding them out, or pulling up his pants -- and varying accounts of how he was moving -- i.e. 'charging,' moving in 'slow motion' or 'running' -- they all establish that Brown was moving toward Wilson when Wilson shot him."



http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/ferguson-darren-wilson-justice-department-report/index.html

[Demitri98]

If you truly want to end racism, stop talking about it.

By talking about it, you acknowledge that it exists.

Don't even acknowledge its existence and eventually it will go away because the people being racist are getting no backlash.

[BRabbiT]

If you truly want to end racism, stop talking about it.

By talking about it, you acknowledge that it exists.

Don't even acknowledge its existence and eventually it will go away because the people being racist are getting no backlash.


what??

[BRabbiT]

One police department employee was fired & two others placed on administrative leave (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-critical-doj-findings-ferguson-fires-police-employee/) pending an investigation into racially disparaging e-mails discovered in a DOJ investigation.

The news comes just hours after the DOJ revealed findings that cleared former Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of Michael Brown, but also found severe racial bias in policing of citizens there.

At a Wednesday evening press conference, Mayor James Knowles said that the Justice Department's findings allow his administration to focus on racial problems in Ferguson & in the St. Louis region as well.

Earlier, Attorney General Eric Holder announced the result of two investigation into the practices of the Ferguson Police Department. He said the department created the atmosphere for the intense & angry reaction of the community after Michael Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old black teenager, was shot to death over the summer.

The DOJ investigation of Brown's death at the hands of Wilson found that the evidence supported his version of events. In November, a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Brown's death.



Holder said the department found egregious evidence of mistreatment of African American citizens by the police.

"This investigation found a community that was deeply polarized; a community where deep distrust & hostility often characterized interactions between police and area residents," Holder said.

He described Ferguson as "a community where local authorities consistently approached law enforcement not as a means for protecting public safety, but as a way to generate revenue. A community where both policing & municipal court practices were found to disproportionately harm African American residents. A community where this harm frequently appears to stem, at least in part, from racial bias - both implicit and explicit."

Holder's findings showed a bias in issues ranging from a disproportionate number of arrests of black Ferguson residents, to excessive fines & fees related to parking tickets issued to the black population.

The attorney general attributed the lack of trust in the community to "numerous constitutional violations by their law enforcement officials including First Amendment abuses, unreasonable searches & seizures, & excessive & dangerous use of force; exacerbated by severely disproportionate use of these tactics against African Americans; & driven by overriding pressure from the city to use law enforcement not as a public service, but as a tool for raising revenue."

Knowles announced changes in the structure of fees & fines had already been made. An ordinance eliminating unnecessary court & police operation fees was passed, including costs in reimbursing the city for towing.

Another ordinance sets a cap on the amount of municipal court revenue that can be used as part of the city's budget. It is now limited to 15%.

The city has also announced the development of a Citizens Review Board, which has met several times over the past few months; implementation of body & dashboard cameras and improved & diverse recruitment of police officers. At the press conference, Knowles said 3 are being hired. Also, an independent consultant will be hired to study the practices of the Ferguson Police Department





If you truly want to end racism, stop talking about it.

By talking about it, you acknowledge that it exists.

Don't even acknowledge its existence and eventually it will go away because the people being racist are getting no backlash.


racism does not go away by ignoring it.

bias must be identified & addressed.

glad to see the PD is being called out for using racist tactics to boost revenue.