Why Lebron doesn't have many chest to chest posters

[Im Still Ballin]

A few reasons why;

1. No illegal defense. All his career his drives to the lane have been heavily shaded. A great example is the Kevin Garnett poster 'With no regard for human life' He literally had to stop-start his acceleration to the hoop because of the zone-like defense that foiled his first penetration attempt to the hoop. In MJ's 90's illegal defense era, he would isolate his man defender 1 on 1 on the wing and had the mismatch. He would blow by them and the bigs in this era due to the illegal defense rule, were often too late to rotate over and fairly contest. This often meant Jordan would be dunking on players that were usually slow on rotation. In the modern, no illegal defense, zone friendly era, bigs are usually proactively covering the dribble penetration and a player like Lebron is smarter than to try slam it over him when the big and the man defender already have supreme positioning. A few instances where Lebron has dunked during this scenario; The Detroit playoffs dunk (my favorite) The KG dunk, The Tim Duncan dunk, etc...

2. If you watch footage of Lebron in his athletic peak, no one dared to weakside, late rotation block him like they routinely did with MJ. Lebron is what I often call, the Shaq on perimeter players. His drives to the hoop were lethal. 270 pounds at 4.4 speed, and 42 inch vertical explosion power... If you watch his 2009 playoffs highlights (his peak athleticism) you can routinely see players not even bothering when Lebron finds a hole in the defense in the half court.

Lebron still gets plenty of poster dunks... The fact is though, due to the defensive rule changes since the 90's the style of dunks have been changed. It's no longer 1 on 1 dunks.. that is a lot harder to achieve when the avenue to the hoop is more heavily congested. It's not a wise basketball player either usually this day to try and dunk on 3 guys when you have open shooters at the 3...

I'll get some GIFs ala 3ball style to show examples..
Lebron zone era dunk on KG:
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/462937/lebron-dunk-on-kg-o.gif
http://share.gifyoutube.com/y3oE22.gif

Example of MJ; 90's open lane, late contest era
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/63c53bec4badff8ebaec3bef33dccd1c.gif
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/a3edb4f82e4cea1a4e188b323a475c7f.gif
-Notice the lack of lane protection? The ease of drive, easier to establish a rhythm for a powerful dunk attempt, opposed to the stop-start, lane protected zone era

Here's one example of the reluctance of the defenders to contest. This is similar to a standard 90's illegal defense drive... This play is a good example how the type of drives Lebron could get on single coverage and no lane shading/protection. Even the large shotblocking centers would most likely get out of the way, or get dunked on
http://share.gifyoutube.com/Kdrxq2.gif

Here's another one
http://share.gifyoutube.com/vWJkLJ.gif

[Im Still Ballin]

A few reasons why;

1. No illegal defense. All his career his drives to the lane have been heavily shaded. A great example is the Kevin Garnett poster 'With no regard for human life' He literally had to stop-start his acceleration to the hoop because of the zone-like defense that foiled his first penetration attempt to the hoop. In MJ's 90's illegal defense era, he would isolate his man defender 1 on 1 on the wing and had the mismatch. He would blow by them and the bigs in this era due to the illegal defense rule, were often too late to rotate over and fairly contest. This often meant Jordan would be dunking on players that were usually slow on rotation. In the modern, no illegal defense, zone friendly era, bigs are usually proactively covering the dribble penetration and a player like Lebron is smarter than to try slam it over him when the big and the man defender already have supreme positioning. A few instances where Lebron has dunked during this scenario; The Detroit playoffs dunk (my favorite) The KG dunk, The Tim Duncan dunk, etc...

2. If you watch footage of Lebron in his athletic peak, no one dared to weakside, late rotation block him like they routinely did with MJ. Lebron is what I often call, the Shaq on perimeter players. His drives to the hoop were lethal. 270 pounds at 4.4 speed, and 42 inch vertical explosion power... If you watch his 2009 playoffs highlights (his peak athleticism) you can routinely see players not even bothering when Lebron finds a hole in the defense in the half court.

Lebron still gets plenty of poster dunks... The fact is though, due to the defensive rule changes since the 90's the style of dunks have been changed. It's no longer 1 on 1 dunks.. that is a lot harder to achieve when the avenue to the hoop is more heavily congested. It's not a wise basketball player either usually this day to try and dunk on 3 guys when you have open shooters at the 3...

I'll get some GIFs ala 3ball style to show examples..
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[ISHGoat]

Wow 3ball has you shook, writing these 1000 word Pauk essays

[Im Still Ballin]

Wow 3ball has you shook, writing these 1000 word Pauk essays
It took me 6 minutes you imbecile

[SouBeachTalents]

Wow 3ball has you shook, writing these 1000 word Pauk essays

:lol Who's alt is this?

[ISHGoat]

It took me 6 minutes you imbecile

I think you missed a 0 after that 6

[Im Still Ballin]

leave me the **** alone

[J Shuttlesworth]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[The_Pharcyde]

hahaha damn you must have taken 30 min to write this complete B.s. thread

lebron doesnt go for chest to chest posters, leave it at that
doesnt make him any less of a player
jordan was the better dunker in traffic, i think even the biggest lebron stan can admit that

[nba_55]

A few reasons why;

1. No illegal defense. All his career his drives to the lane have been heavily shaded. A great example is the Kevin Garnett poster 'With no regard for human life' He literally had to stop-start his acceleration to the hoop because of the zone-like defense that foiled his first penetration attempt to the hoop. In MJ's 90's illegal defense era, he would isolate his man defender 1 on 1 on the wing and had the mismatch. He would blow by them and the bigs in this era due to the illegal defense rule, were often too late to rotate over and fairly contest. This often meant Jordan would be dunking on players that were usually slow on rotation. In the modern, no illegal defense, zone friendly era, bigs are usually proactively covering the dribble penetration and a player like Lebron is smarter than to try slam it over him when the big and the man defender already have supreme positioning. A few instances where Lebron has dunked during this scenario; The Detroit playoffs dunk (my favorite) The KG dunk, The Tim Duncan dunk, etc...

2. If you watch footage of Lebron in his athletic peak, no one dared to weakside, late rotation block him like they routinely did with MJ. Lebron is what I often call, the Shaq on perimeter players. His drives to the hoop were lethal. 270 pounds at 4.4 speed, and 42 inch vertical explosion power... If you watch his 2009 playoffs highlights (his peak athleticism) you can routinely see players not even bothering when Lebron finds a hole in the defense in the half court.

Lebron still gets plenty of poster dunks... The fact is though, due to the defensive rule changes since the 90's the style of dunks have been changed. It's no longer 1 on 1 dunks.. that is a lot harder to achieve when the avenue to the hoop is more heavily congested. It's not a wise basketball player either usually this day to try and dunk on 3 guys when you have open shooters at the 3...

I'll get some GIFs ala 3ball style to show examples..
Lebron zone era dunk on KG:
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/462937/lebron-dunk-on-kg-o.gif
http://share.gifyoutube.com/y3oE22.gif

Example of MJ; 90's open lane, late contest era
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/63c53bec4badff8ebaec3bef33dccd1c.gif
http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/a3edb4f82e4cea1a4e188b323a475c7f.gif
-Notice the lack of lane protection? The ease of drive, easier to establish a rhythm for a powerful dunk attempt, opposed to the stop-start, lane protected zone era

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[JebronLames]

Wow 3ball has you shook, writing these 1000 word Pauk essays
What are you doing? OP is part of the LeBron family.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Guaranteed that 3ball's blood pressure has doubled reading this thread

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:applause:

[ISHGoat]

What are you doing? OP is part of the LeBron family.

My bad brah.

OP, I take back my comments.

[SugarHill]

beating 3ball at his own game wow

[KirbyPls]

beating 3ball at his own game wow

Honestly Moe, 3ball is one of your least appealing alts. Your gifs are world class doe. :applause:

[AnaheimLakers24]

Op responded to his own thread in the second post with wrong alt :lol

[KirbyPls]

Op responded to his own thread in the second post with wrong alt :lol

:facepalm

[Im Still Ballin]

Here's one example of the reluctance of the defenders to contest. This is similar to a standard 90's illegal defense drive... This play is a good example how the type of drives Lebron could get on single coverage and no lane shading/protection. Even the large shotblocking centers would most likely get out of the way, or get dunked on
http://share.gifyoutube.com/Kdrxq2.gif

[plowking]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

Gets me every single time. :oldlol:

[Im Still Ballin]

Here's another one
http://share.gifyoutube.com/vWJkLJ.gif

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LeBron has defenders shook like no one else in NBA history. They don't even try to go for the block. Although a lot of this has to do with the fact that defenses, unlike in the 90s, don't want to foul excessively. They don't mistake fouling for playing defense like they did in the 90s.

[Im Still Ballin]

LeBron has defenders shook like no one else in NBA history. They don't even try to go for the block. Although a lot of this has to do with the fact that defenses, unlike in the 90s, don't want to foul excessively. They don't mistake fouling for playing defense like they did in the 90s.
Exactly.

People have to understand that Lebron in his athletic prime was 270 pounds lean and jumping out of the gym. Jordan was jumping out the gym but he wasn't anywhere close to 270. He didn't have nearly the same freight train effect. Jordan would just out jump, dunk over the top of guys. Guys that were often too late to get an effective contest and with no lane protection, Jordan consistently had no disruption to his run up and rhythm... Once he beat that man defender he had clear runway to power up and hit lift off...

[KirbyPls]

Gets me every single time. :oldlol:

Yup. :lol

[3ball]

Once he beat that man defender he had clear runway to power up and hit lift off...


I assume you are talking about Lebron here - HIS dunks are the ones where the runway is clear, whereas Jordan had defenders occupying the paint at all times.

In today's game, the paint and at-rim percentages of all players are inflated compared to previous eras due to the spacing and defensive 3 seconds that clear the lane, and rule changes designed to (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html) open up the middle of the floor and make penetration easier (i.e. ban on hand-checking and physicality).

Otoh, in Jordan's day, defenders waited in the paint on penetration and could help from closer distances on the post because there was no spacing and paint-camping was legal.. All coaches in previous eras foolishly ran offenses that didn't shoot threes and positioned players close to the rim, which activated legal-paint camping, as stipulated in Rule 2b (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/Rules/Fouls.html) of the Illegal Defense Guidelines - this rule allowed defenders to paint-camp with no time restriction if their man was in the paint already, or within 3 feet of either side.

[KirbyPls]

I assume you are talking about Lebron here - HIS dunks are the ones where the runway is clear, whereas Jordan had tons of defenders in the paint at all times.

In today's game, the paint and at-rim percentages of all players are inflated compared to previous eras due to the spacing and defensive 3 seconds that clear the lane, and rule changes designed to (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html) open up the middle of the floor and make penetration easier (i.e. ban on hand-checking and physicality).

Otoh, in Jordan's day, defenders waited in the paint on penetration and could help from closer distances on the post because there was no spacing and paint-camping was legal.. All coaches in previous eras foolishly ran offenses that didn't shoot threes and positioned players close to the rim, which activated legal-paint camping, as stipulated in Rule 2b (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/Rules/Fouls.html) of the Illegal Defense Guidelines - this rule allowed defenders to paint-camp with no time restriction if their man was in the paint already, or within 3 feet of either side.

Thanks for the info, "Coach."

[3ball]

Here's one example of the reluctance of the defenders to contest.



Hakeem Olajuwon VISIBLY Scared to Contest and Flinching vs. MJ:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Michael_Jordan_Blows_By_Robert_a06301d352c7c9a7a26 53e80f329d83b.gif.


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/85b10e992b3e88c0af314199d9bec638.gif... Hakeem scared as ****


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/e86f8faa75624459413e9bb2a3644b52.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/31bc391d9b340e1ce3eb68d99c5375ee.gif

[Im Still Ballin]

I assume you are talking about Lebron here - HIS dunks are the ones where the runway is clear, whereas Jordan had tons of defenders in the paint at all times.

In today's game, the paint and at-rim percentages of all players are inflated compared to previous eras due to the spacing and defensive 3 seconds that clear the lane, and rule changes designed to (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html) open up the middle of the floor and make penetration easier (i.e. ban on hand-checking and physicality).

Otoh, in Jordan's day, defenders waited in the paint on penetration and could help from closer distances on the post because there was no spacing and paint-camping was legal.. All coaches in previous eras foolishly ran offenses that didn't shoot threes and positioned players close to the rim, which activated legal-paint camping, as stipulated in Rule 2b (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/Rules/Fouls.html) of the Illegal Defense Guidelines - this rule allowed defenders to paint-camp with no time restriction if their man was in the paint already, or within 3 feet of either side.
At last. I was waiting for you to come fight me...

1. The defensive 3 seconds rule has been around for AGES. Since the rule was changed due to Wilt. It was categorized under the Illegal defense rule scheme in the 90's... The same aspects of 3 seconds that is applied today was applicable in the 90's. You could stay as long as you wanted in the paint, given you are within armslength of your opponent. Obviously there is a 3 seconds for offensive players too so you'd only realistically find unlimited paint camping ability on the edge of the paint. When they scrapped the illegal defense rules in 2001 due to Shaq (look it up) they kept certain aspects of it, aka the 3 seconds in the paint aspect. It got it's own name instead of being classified as illegal defense. In the 90's you couldn't double team a player off the ball, but now you can and it is commonly used to stack the paint with extra bodies... All legal and if both the double team defenders are within armslength of the opponent being doubled, they can BOTH sit the in the paint as long as they'd like. This is something that was not possible in the 90's.

2. Spacing is a good point, but we still often find large centers protecting the lane. Protecting the lane in a zone orientated, shading way. Not the open lane, late contested scenario that was all too common in the 90's. You're point may be more valid for power forwards, although they never have been the paint defenders on a team. It has always been the center, and still is today. Many PFs aren't 3pt shooters anyways, so the spacing in most cases isn't that spread out. They are still comfortable able to provide some lane defensive coverage that was not possible in the 90's due to the illegal defense rule schemes.

3. Hand-checking and physicality is the go to argument for 90's jockers. What they don't realize is that hand checking goes both ways. Not only does it allow the defender more room for physicality, it also allows the offensive player more physicality. Classic example is the Jordan push off jump shot against Utah. Would be an offensive foul today. Physicality is OFTEN mistaken for good defense. I made a thread on this which I will link on this post. Handchecking elimination may have had some impact on offensive freedom, but it does not come close to the effect the removal of illegal defense had. Illegal defense removal FAR outweighs the handchecking removal.

LINK TO PHYSICALITY THREAD:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=369604

[Im Still Ballin]

At last. I was waiting for you to come fight me...

1. The defensive 3 seconds rule has been around for AGES. Since the rule was changed due to Wilt. It was categorized under the Illegal defense rule scheme in the 90's... The same aspects of 3 seconds that is applied today was applicable in the 90's. You could stay as long as you wanted in the paint, given you are within armslength of your opponent. Obviously there is a 3 seconds for offensive players too so you'd only realistically find unlimited paint camping ability on the edge of the paint. When they scrapped the illegal defense rules in 2001 due to Shaq (look it up) they kept certain aspects of it, aka the 3 seconds in the paint aspect. It got it's own name instead of being classified as illegal defense. In the 90's you couldn't double team a player off the ball, but now you can and it is commonly used to stack the paint with extra bodies... All legal and if both the double team defenders are within armslength of the opponent being doubled, they can BOTH sit the in the paint as long as they'd like. This is something that was not possible in the 90's.

2. Spacing is a good point, but we still often find large centers protecting the lane. Protecting the lane in a zone orientated, shading way. Not the open lane, late contested scenario that was all too common in the 90's. You're point may be more valid for power forwards, although they never have been the paint defenders on a team. It has always been the center, and still is today. Many PFs aren't 3pt shooters anyways, so the spacing in most cases isn't that spread out. They are still comfortable able to provide some lane defensive coverage that was not possible in the 90's due to the illegal defense rule schemes.

3. Hand-checking and physicality is the go to argument for 90's jockers. What they don't realize is that hand checking goes both ways. Not only does it allow the defender more room for physicality, it also allows the offensive player more physicality. Classic example is the Jordan push off jump shot against Utah. Would be an offensive foul today. Physicality is OFTEN mistaken for good defense. I made a thread on this which I will link on this post. Handchecking elimination may have had some impact on offensive freedom, but it does not come close to the effect the removal of illegal defense had. Illegal defense removal FAR outweighs the handchecking removal.

LINK TO PHYSICALITY THREAD:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=369604
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[3ball]

In previous eras, you could stay as long as you wanted in the paint, given you are within armslength of your opponent.


What you posted here is a not true - the "armslength" language is ONLY present in today's rules..

the truth is that today's game allows zone defense, EXCEPT inside the paint - defenders must remain within armslength (http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html) of their man at all times to stay in the lane, which amounts to a very strict brand of man-to-man.

otoh, in previous eras, the NBA ALLOWED a zone inside the paint - defenders DIDN'T have to be within armslength of their man to remain in the paint and could legally paint-camp.. all coaches in previous eras foolishly ran offenses that didn't shoot threes and positioned players close to the rim instead, which activated legal-paint camping, as stipulated in Rule 2b (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/Rules/Fouls.html) of the Illegal Defense Guidelines - this rule allowed defenders to paint-camp with no time restriction if their man was in the paint already, or within 3 feet of either side.

paint-camping IS playing a zone inside the paint... the paint-camping allowed defenders to wait in the lane on penetration.. also, with no spacing to go along with legal paint-camping, defenders were in closer proximity and didn't have to help from as far.. accordingly, it was more difficult to score in the paint back then.
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[Im Still Ballin]

What you posted here is a not true - the "armslength" language is ONLY present in today's rules.
Show me some evidence that supports this.

[3ball]

Show me some evidence that supports this.
Here are the illegal defense rules in their entirety - show me where it mentions "armslength":

http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/Rules/Fouls.html


Otoh, here are the rules regarding paint defense for today's game:

A defensive player is not allowed inside the key area for more than three seconds unless he is guarding the player with the ball or is actively guarding any opponent. To be considered actively guarding, a defender must be within an arms length of an opponent.

http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html (nba.com's webpage is even titled "The NBA's Misunderstood Rules" - it's for you bro)

[3ball]

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Tim Duncan Deciding Not to Contest MJ's Dunk:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/7cd0f2d7213f3061b6bfd97470ceb708.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/35e143189259ba9efd81c628c18e0eb1.gif


Hakeem Olajuwon was even more scared (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11089021&postcount=28) to jump with MJ - Hakeem would visibly flinch when MJ went up for dunks.
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[Im Still Ballin]

Here are the illegal defense rules in their entirety - show me where it mentions "armslength":

http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/Rules/Fouls.html


Otoh, here are the rules regarding paint defense for today's game:

A defensive player is not allowed inside the key area for more than three seconds unless he is guarding the player with the ball or is actively guarding any opponent. To be considered actively guarding, a defender must be within an arms length of an opponent.

http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html (nba.com's webpage is even titled "The NBA's Misunderstood Rules" - it's for you bro)
You are clearly trying to use evidence, without interpreting it and understanding it yourself.

What you're trying to say is that defenders could hang in the paint without being within armslength of their opponent... This is completely wrong and without logic to the rules at the time.

The 3 seconds in the paint rule was STILL applied. Any hovering off the man prior to clear a drive off the hoop is Illegal defense. How can one effectively 'paint camp' when the rules at the time deem you can only stay in the paint for 3 seconds ONLY if you are close to your man and that it is not deemed illegal defense. Neither can the offensive player hang in the paint for too long, as due to the rule changes brought upon by Wilt Chamberlain.

What you're trying to make out is that you could sit in the paint for as long as you'd like which is clearly not true in relation to the illegal defense rules AKA no zone/subtle sagging off your man in effect to cover the lane to stop dribble penetration AND the 3 seconds rule which was still in effect.

[Im Still Ballin]

Notice the lack of lane protection on the first GIF of yours? The 2nd player had to abide by the illegal defense rules and either stick to his man or aggresively attempt a double team. This rule stopped him from sagging back and stopping that Jordan drive. To finish it off, the late rotation of the center because HE had to stay on his man.

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/b209aeddf6bfaaa9fcaed8eea3c72c65.gif


a man's arm is 3 feet long and the paint is 16 feet wide.

accordingly, today's armslength rule does not allow defenders to stand under the rim while their man is 8 feet away on the edge of the paint, because that is out of armslength reach.

indeed, under today's rules, defenders have to cling to their man, even when their man is already inside the paint!!!

otoh, the previous rules (Rule 2b (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/Rules/Fouls.html) in the Illegal Defense Guidelines) allowed defenders to paint-camp if their man was anywhere inside the paint, or within 3 feet of either side.

so they COULD paint-camp under the rim, while their man was 8 feet away on the edge of the paint, as the GIF above shows (Mycal Thompson camping right under the rim).

[scandisk_]

3ball arguing with..... his own alts. :lol

I'm really starting to believe that this punk is one of Jlauber/Millwad's network of alts.

[3ball]

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MJ's Hops and Power Reduces Larry Nance to a Cringing Girly Man:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/99b4b15ffaf4048099cd21bf13eaa065.gif


Both Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11089021&postcount=28) and Tim Duncan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11089124&postcount=34) were also scared to jump with MJ - Hakeem would visibly flinch when MJ went up for dunks.
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[Joyner82reload]

OP is a retard. Durant has at least a dozen MONSTER chest to chest posters

GortatX2
Haywood
HibbertX2
McGee
Asik
Gasol

just off the top of my head

[Im Still Ballin]

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MJ's Hops and Power Reduces Larry Nance to a Cringing Girly Man:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/99b4b15ffaf4048099cd21bf13eaa065.gif
And look how late the contest is

I'm not saying they aren't allowed to contest shots... I'm saying they're not allowed to sit in the paint, away from their man while there hasn't been a clear penetration/drive to the hoop. Defense is as much about preventing than it is contesting, something 90's Jordan jock riders seem to forget...

[Im Still Ballin]

OP is a retard. Durant has at least a dozen MONSTER chest to chest posters
And if you ACTUALLY read this post you'll understand why Lebron has less...

AKA his freight train ability minimizes these occurances

[Joyner82reload]

And if you ACTUALLY read this post you'll understand why Lebron has less...

AKA his freight train ability minimizes these occurances

Your primary reason is that illegal defense minimizes the frequency of posters. Yet Durant has had around 10 legit poster dunk of the year type dunks in the past 4 years.

[Im Still Ballin]

Your primary reason is that illegal defense minimizes the frequency of posters. Yet Durant has had around 10 legit poster dunk of the year type dunks in the past 4 years.
Durant is a stick figure and nowhere near as powerful as Lebron so you naturally he is going to get contested more at the rim

[Joyner82reload]

Durant is a stick figure and nowhere near as powerful as Lebron so you naturally he is going to get contested more at the rim

Yet Durant averages far more dunks per year than LeBron :rolleyes:

[Im Still Ballin]

Yet Durant averages far more dunks per year than LeBron :rolleyes:
Do you realize how many dunks Lebron gets on the fastbreak?

[Joyner82reload]

Yet Durant still averages more dunks per season than LeBron and has each of the past 4 seasons. Layups are a different story, but then again LeBron can't dunk like Durant.

[3ball]

And look how late the contest is


Nance is waiting under the rim the entire time, so it's impossible for Nance to be "late".

Otoh, today's defender isn't allowed to paint-camp, so normally, they can only help on penetration from OUTSIDE the paint.

This is part of the reason you see so many open dunks and in-stride dunks that beat late, rotating defenders - defenders are simply no longer allowed to wait in the paint on penetration.. They must help from outside the paint, and therefore from further distances than previous eras.

[3ball]

Durant has at least a dozen MONSTER chest to chest posters


A dozen???... That's the definition of a child's play... :kobe:



GIFs of Over 100 Chest-to-Chest Posters by MJ

(most in the halfcourt with no spacing and constant paint-congestion):


Top 15 MJ Dunks Over Multiple Contesting Defenders (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40414797#p40414797)

Random Posters 1 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10508118&postcount=237)

Random Posters 2 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512996&postcount=255)

Random Posters 3 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10487292&postcount=48)

Random Posters 4 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10494322&postcount=198)

Random Posters 5 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10513143&postcount=256)

Random Posters 6 (for 6) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10273035&postcount=86)

Old-Man Chest-to-Chest Posters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512074&postcount=27)

Partial Collection of MJ Dunks Over All-Time Great Centers (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40382395#p40382395)

Various Two-Handed Posters Over Defenders (two-foot takeoffs) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10441991&postcount=40)

[Joyner82reload]

A dozen???... That's the definition of a child's play... :kobe:



GIFs of Over 100 Chest-to-Chest Posters by MJ

(most in the halfcourt with no spacing and constant paint-congestion):


Top 15 MJ Dunks Over Multiple Contesting Defenders (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40414797#p40414797)

Random Posters 1 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10508118&postcount=237)

Random Posters 2 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512996&postcount=255)

Random Posters 3 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10487292&postcount=48)

Random Posters 4 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10494322&postcount=198)

Random Posters 5 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10513143&postcount=256)

Random Posters 6 (for 6) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10273035&postcount=86)
http://gamedayrcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/kevin-durant-omer-asik-dunk-poster-meme.jpg
Old-Man Chest-to-Chest Posters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10512074&postcount=27)

Partial Collection of MJ Dunks Over All-Time Great Centers (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40382395#p40382395)

Various Two-Handed Posters Over Defenders (two-foot takeoffs) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10441991&postcount=40)

You're an idiot. The majority of those aren't even great, this is the kind of poster I'm talking about

http://gamedayrcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/kevin-durant-omer-asik-dunk-poster-meme.jpg

http://dailythunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Screen-Shot-2013-01-15-at-11.33.43-AM.png

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/durant-on-hibbert.jpg

http://www.hoopsfix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Kevin-Durant-Dunks-on-Marcin-Gortat.png

http://latinosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/durant.jpg

[knicksman]

OP shook. 2/5<<6/6

[knicksman]

Why not compare bran to wilt? 2/5 vs 2/7. Bran is just not on jordans level

[andgar923]

So what the OP is basically stating is that today's "defenders" are SCARED and soft.

Most of us knew that tho, nothing new.

Btw I disagree with 3ball. Hakeem wasn't afraid to contest MJ, just ridiculous. MJ just happened to be too fast for Hakeem to block. Hakeem tries to gather himself to block but is just late.

One of the reasons Bron has less chest to chest facials is because he isn't as consistently aggressive, it's that simple. He also doesnt have MJ's explosive lightning quick first step and quick jump.

Give them the exact same plays and MJ will attack more aggressively and have the ability to finish with a dunk at a higher rate.

[Darius]

OP is a retard. Durant has at least a dozen MONSTER chest to chest posters

GortatX2
Haywood
HibbertX2
McGee
Asik
Gasol

just off the top of my head

More like arm to chest.

KD doesn't have hops, just unrolls those lanky arms of his. Makes it less impressive.

[ralph_i_el]

Do you think players are more likely to contest a dunk by a 220lb guy? or the 270lb guy?

I think people getting the **** out of the way is why Lebob doesn't have that many posters.

[3ball]

Hakeem tries to gather himself to block but is just late.


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Michael_Jordan_Blows_By_Robert_a06301d352c7c9a7a26 53e80f329d83b.gif


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/85b10e992b3e88c0af314199d9bec638.gif


Hakeem is already standing under the rim in both cases.

He clearly has the OPTION to contest, but CHOOSES not to - he chooses to avoid the risk of a poster... Tim Duncan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11089124&postcount=34) and Larry Nance (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11089208&postcount=39) also chose to avoid the risk of a poster vs. MJ.

Btw, it's amusing how EVERY Jordan dunk shows maximum paint congestion, while every Lebron dunk shows an open paint, yet people ignore paint congestion as being a factor.

[Beastmode88]

Why not compare bran to wilt? 2/5 vs 2/7. Bran is just not on jordans level

Wow if lebron goes 2/7 he wont even be on wilts level. :roll: :roll: