Why don't more people pay attention to Gordon Hayward?

[masonanddixon]

Only 24 years of age and averaging 20, 5 and 5. Thats pretty elite.

[Genaro]

Because his team sucks. I think everyone knows he is a great player but he won't get much attention until he starts winning.

[ImKobe]

cause he plays on the Utah Jazz and frankly, not that many people care about what the Jazz are doing (including me).

[navy]

Cause he's white. Obviously the answer you are looking for.

[masonanddixon]

Because his team sucks. I think everyone knows he is a great player but he won't get much attention until he starts winning.

But they're playing well lately and could make the postseason in 2015-2016

[Fudge]

Because he's not even the best player on his team. That would be Rudy Godbert.

[SouBeachTalents]

Because he's not even the best player on his team. That would be Rudy Godbert.

Sounds like Durant

[masonanddixon]

Cause he's white. Obviously the answer you are looking for.

Now that you mention it, it probably does play a role in his lack of media/casual fan attention.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Because he's black.

[Milbuck]

LeBron James.

[Fudge]

Sounds like Durant
Rent free, babydick.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Sounds like Durant
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[You Cant Ban Me]

him and kevin love can stay but the rest of the american born white players in the league need to go.It would draw more fans and be a much more athletic/talented league :applause:

[warriorfan]

him and kevin love can stay but the rest of the american born white players in the league need to go.It would draw more fans and be a much more athletic/talented league :applause:


You would of made out to be a fantastic pre-1960 white guy

[I<3NBA]

because he's inconsistent as fk. one game he'd explode, the next game he'd be pedestrian.

[buddha]

But they're playing well lately and could make the postseason in 2015-2016

in the West? lololol

they would need Exum to turn from bust to superstar overnight while also having some good luck in the lottery.

[JohnFreeman]

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[FireDavidKahn]

Empty stats:oldlol:

[sportjames23]

Cause he's white. Obviously the answer you are looking for.



Now that you mention it, it probably does play a role in his lack of media/casual fan attention.


LOL, navy called it.

[Alamо]

Utah Jazz

[Taller than CP3]

because Utah, that's why

imagine if he played like this on the Lakers, he'd be starring in movies alongside Tom Cruise right now

[tomtucker]

fukking racists......and TNT and ESPN don

[CakeorDeath]

in the West? lololol

they would need Exum to turn from bust to superstar overnight while also having some good luck in the lottery.

Way too early to call Exum a bust. He's 19, didn't benefit from college, and is learning the most complex position. Defensively, he's already a problem for opposing PGs. Fast, tall, and very long.

People start throwing bust around anytime a top pick doesn't immediately dominate the league. Give him time. The biggest knock on him coming in was that he can't shoot, and he has actually shown glimpses that he can (he just doesn't). Hasn't tapped into his elite athleticism on offense yet but that will come as he begins to feel more comfortable.

May never be a star, but he'll almost certainly be solid. Solid as a top 5 pick is probably a disappointment but certainly not a bust. Could still be a star though

[chocolatethunder]

Way too early to call Exum a bust. He's 19, didn't benefit from college, and is learning the most complex position. Defensively, he's already a problem for opposing PGs. Fast, tall, and very long.

People start throwing bust around anytime a top pick doesn't immediately dominate the league. Give him time. The biggest knock on him coming in was that he can't shoot, and he has actually shown glimpses that he can (he just doesn't). Hasn't tapped into his elite athleticism on offense yet but that will come as he begins to feel more comfortable.

May never be a star, but he'll almost certainly be solid. Solid as a top 5 pick is probably a disappointment but certainly not a bust. Could still be a star though
The only reason Exum isn't called a bust every day is because this draft has turned out to be pretty bad. Not just with injuries but not that many players are playing well.

I don't understand how you can say a player has shown "glimpses" of being a shooter when he shoots 35/30/62. His FG% has continually gone down this year. Those numbers are right in line with what he shot before coming to the NBA. Exum may be long and he may end up being a decent defender but he's doesn't have "elite athleticism". He's kinda quick but he's hardly some stud leaper. MCW is faster and can jump a lot higher and he still sucks on offense.

Exum isn't a natural PG or passer either. He's not a bad passer nor a good one. His per 36 numbers are no good. He's a guy who should have been picked 17-23 like Schr

[Xiao Yao You]

in the West? lololol

they would need Exum to turn from bust to superstar overnight while also having some good luck in the lottery.

They should have been competing for the last playoff spot this year. They could have 20 million to spend next year. They need a starting pg(maybe a back-up too?), a back-up center and maybe some help on the wing. Guys that can shoot. I'd be looking to trade my draft picks. They don't need another 19 year old in their rotation. No reason they shouldn't be competing for the playoffs next year though. It's all on the front office now.


I don't understand how you can say a player has shown "glimpses" of being a shooter when he shoots 35/30/62.

His spot up looks pretty good though. If he can hit that consistently he'll play in the league for a long time.


His FG% has continually gone down this year. Those numbers are right in line with what he shot before coming to the NBA. Exum may be long and he may end up being a decent defender but he's doesn't have "elite athleticism". He's kinda quick but he's hardly some stud leaper. MCW is faster and can jump a lot higher and he still sucks on offense.

Exum isn't a natural PG or passer either.

He certainly looks like a pg. He's unselfish to a fault and has good court vision. He needs to show he's not soft now.

[QUOTE]He's not a bad passer nor a good one. His per 36 numbers are no good. He's a guy who should have been picked 17-23 like Schr

[Eric Cartman]

Once his team is relevant he will start to get recognition, but his team being so bad, it is difficult to differentiate him from, say, Evan Turner.

[ralph_i_el]

he's a cracker

[You Cant Ban Me]

he's a cracker
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[MavsSuperFan]

How many guys can put up good stats on a bad team relatively inefficiently?

Kenny Smith described this phenomenon as looters in a riot.
Basically teams dont get up to play bad teams, and the few decent players on those teams tend to put up numbers because there is no one else to go to.

[ralph_i_el]

How many guys can put up good stats on a bad team relatively inefficiently?

Kenny Smith described this phenomenon as looters in a riot.
Basically teams dont get up to play bad teams, and the few decent players on those teams tend to put up numbers because there is no one else to go to.

I don't think that applies here. His TS% is 57% so I wouldn't say he's inefficient. He's been talked about as a high potential guy for a few years now, and this season just looks like him making them jump from a "potential" guy to a real, valuable scorer. He's a really good shooter, and not many 6'8" guys have his handle. For 2 seasons they've been having Hayward go into PnR situations as the ball handler, and in the beginning his decision making made him relatively ineffective in those situations. They stuck with it though, and now he's a much better decision maker because of the experience.

He's not a positive defender (imo), but I still would put him on the Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Rudy Gay, Chandler Parsons Tier of swingmen.

[StephHamann]

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[Milbuck]

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[inclinerator]

cuz he plays video games probably, they think he's just a white nerd

[ArbitraryWater]

Sounds like Durant

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[Xiao Yao You]

I don't think that applies here. His TS% is 57% so I wouldn't say he's inefficient. He's been talked about as a high potential guy for a few years now, and this season just looks like him making them jump from a "potential" guy to a real, valuable scorer. He's a really good shooter, and not many 6'8" guys have his handle. For 2 seasons they've been having Hayward go into PnR situations as the ball handler, and in the beginning his decision making made him relatively ineffective in those situations. They stuck with it though, and now he's a much better decision maker because of the experience.

He's not a positive defender (imo), but I still would put him on the Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Rudy Gay, Chandler Parsons Tier of swingmen.

I would call him a streaky shooter at best.

[Hey Yo]

Looks like Deadspin has been paying attention to him.

Picture of Hayward Feb. 2014. Bulked up, doesn't care about his hair.

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Picture of him today. Less muscle, new haircut

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[chocolatethunder]

They should have been competing for the last playoff spot this year. They could have 20 million to spend next year. They need a starting pg(maybe a back-up too?), a back-up center and maybe some help on the wing. Guys that can shoot. I'd be looking to trade my draft picks. They don't need another 19 year old in their rotation. No reason they shouldn't be competing for the playoffs next year though. It's all on the front office now.



His spot up looks pretty good though. If he can hit that consistently he'll play in the league for a long time.



He certainly looks like a pg. He's unselfish to a fault and has good court vision. He needs to show he's not soft now.



He's getting a couple assists already. If he can show he's not a big ***** as he's appeared so far he could be special with his size and skillset.

What is his skill set? He's a poor shooter who is an average passer at best and a decent defender. I'm not being a jerk or glib I'm asking a real question. What does this guy have that sets him apart from other players? He's long and kind of quick but nothing like WB or Wall. He can't shoot a lick and can't even shoot FTs (which is never a good sign), he's an average passer at best. It looks like he can become a good defender but I mean damn we're talking about a dude who was picked fifth in the draft (or sixth I can't remember).

[Rooster]

Only 24 years of age and averaging 20, 5 and 5. Thats pretty elite.

Great numbers in a bad team. If there's any indication of him as a player then he's at least a good baller without much of a team impact. If he's putting that at least on a playoff team in a West then you get excited.

[fiddy]

How many guys can put up good stats on a bad team relatively inefficiently?

Kenny Smith described this phenomenon as looters in a riot.
Basically teams dont get up to play bad teams, and the few decent players on those teams tend to put up numbers because there is no one else to go to.
If the Jazz played in the East i would agree, however, the West is just nasty and he gets to play the best teams in the NBA a lot.

[sportjames23]

he's a cracker


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[GOBB]

Only 24 years of age and averaging 20, 5 and 5. Thats pretty elite.

He plays for Utah. Unless they are on TNT, espn, NBATV or facing my Sixers? I dont see him enough

[Sportal]

Do the Jazz fans classify him as their franchise player?

[upside24]

cause he plays on the Utah Jazz and frankly, not that many people care about what the Jazz are doing (including me).
This.

[bizil]

He's on a bad team. If u put him on a team that needs an upgrade at SF, he would get All Star consideration. For example, if he was on the Clippers he would get more pub. Getting his numbers at only 24 years old is damn good.

[CakeorDeath]

[QUOTE=chocolatethunder]The only reason Exum isn't called a bust every day is because this draft has turned out to be pretty bad. Not just with injuries but not that many players are playing well.

I don't understand how you can say a player has shown "glimpses" of being a shooter when he shoots 35/30/62. His FG% has continually gone down this year. Those numbers are right in line with what he shot before coming to the NBA. Exum may be long and he may end up being a decent defender but he's doesn't have "elite athleticism". He's kinda quick but he's hardly some stud leaper. MCW is faster and can jump a lot higher and he still sucks on offense.

Exum isn't a natural PG or passer either. He's not a bad passer nor a good one. His per 36 numbers are no good. He's a guy who should have been picked 17-23 like Schr

[oarabbus]

Once his team is relevant he will start to get recognition, but his team being so bad, it is difficult to differentiate him from, say, Evan Turner.


Not sure about that man. He's a hell of a lot better than Turner.


Also Exum is garbage. I called that shit during the offseason, I think a few others were rational as well and knew he wouldn't amount to much. If you're trashing the Australian collegiate league that isn't saying much.

Exum is just not that good, I would take players like Augusin, Jackson, hell I will take Matthew Dellavedova and Pablo Prigioni right now over him. Jordan Clarkson is probably the only PG I would not take over Exum.

[masonanddixon]

What a shot by Gordon!

[Xiao Yao You]

Do the Jazz fans classify him as their franchise player?

I don't. Rudy is.

[masonanddixon]

I don't. Rudy is.

lol. they're in trouble if the GM thinks this way (he doesn't).

[Timmy D for MVP]

Gordon has two things going against him I think:

1) Obviously he plays in Utah.
2) He's seemingly hit his potential, and we get way more hype over higher ceiling guys, with more exciting games.

But I have always liked his game and I think he's a legit potential star once he's on a relevant team.

[oarabbus]

Gordon has two things going against him I think:

1) Obviously he plays in Utah.
2) He's seemingly hit his potential, and we get way more hype over higher ceiling guys, with more exciting games.

But I have always liked his game and I think he's a legit potential star once he's on a relevant team.

How has he peaked? He went from 14/3/3 to last year 16/5/5 and this season has been putting up about 20/5/5. The shooting percentage has risen from 41% to 45%. I'd say he's doing great and still improving personally.

Hayward gets about as much recognition as a guy like Parsons.... and he is MUCH better than Parsons.

[Timmy D for MVP]

How has he peaked? He went from 14/3/3 to last year 16/5/5 and this season has been putting up about 20/5/5. The shooting percentage has risen from 41% to 45%. I'd say he's doing great and still improving personally.

Hayward gets about as much recognition as a guy like Parsons.... and he is MUCH better than Parsons.

I didn't say he peaked. I said he's seemingly reached his potential. He could improve his stat line, but we know what type of player he is and he's not likely to take it to another level.

Btw I agree that he's much better than Parsons.

[iamgine]

- Not winning

- Play in Utah

- Not doing anything crazy to attract attention off court

- Many other more exciting players (WB, Curry, Lebron, etc)

[Smoke117]

How has he peaked? He went from 14/3/3 to last year 16/5/5 and this season has been putting up about 20/5/5. The shooting percentage has risen from 41% to 45%. I'd say he's doing great and still improving personally.

Hayward gets about as much recognition as a guy like Parsons.... and he is MUCH better than Parsons.

Exactly. This entire season I've held the same opinion... but why isn't he utilized more? They gave him all that money...so utilize him. He's only taking 14.6 shot attempts when he should be taking around 18 a game. Utahs guards are absolutely atrocious...he's not only their best scorer, but also the only play maker worth a damn on the team. He still has some to peak, yet.