Do you see the point of ESPN still airing "PTI" and "First Take" when....

[sportsfan76]

Tony, Mike, Skip, and Steve is on vacation and not on the show? I mean they are the reason we watch those two shows so why the f*ck would we want to see a replacement person if they are not there? We don't look at those shows just for the topics discussion, we look at those shows to see their reaction to those topics.

Agree or Disagree?

[Kblaze8855]

PTI has a great format that would be entertainign with the right replacments. First take is just skip and SAS arguing though.

[sportsfan76]

ATH died when Jay Mariotti got fired.

He probably deserved it because I don't even know who he is:roll:

[Andrew Wiggins]

Only the most masochistic fvks watch espn

watching sports is masochistic ? :biggums:

you've got a f*cked up personality if that's the case :roll:

[BurningHammer]

ATH died when Jay Mariotti got fired.
Other than his chemistry with Woody Paige, he is very replaceable, which happens to be a better one in Bomani Jones.

[ImKobe]

FT is unwatchable without Skip and SAS, they make the show.

[sportsfan76]

Other than his chemistry with Woody Paige, he is very replaceable, which happens to be a better one in Bomani Jones.


Bomani Jones looks like he has a criminal record

[Thorpesaurous]

I've never been a huge ATH fan. But it does depend a bit on the panel. I'm a big Bob Ryan guy, so he helps a lot. Most of the newer guys to me are too safe, or designed to be outrageous. Too many guys came up designing their personalities for this at this point and it doesn't feel natural. Coming from the NY area, I've seen Frank Isola come up through MSG and FSNY's versions of the same shows, and it feels like a minor leaguer getting pulled up. It feels like those first few times you see a wrestler from the Indy Circuit try to cut it on Monday Night Raw. Something's just a bit off.

PTI on the other hand I've loved from day one. And a huge part of it's appeal is that specific relationship Tony and Mike have. And honestly it's more Tony for me, however there are times when Tony gets a little blown out of the water to me.

I love Tony's sense of humor. I love the lightness with which he takes his sports. It's a perfect counterbalance to the Black and White, Right and Wrong culture we're living in. The problem I have with him is when they hit a topic I care about, and he brushes it off. Because he really doesn't follow the sports scene like a sports reporter anymore.
My fondness of Tony drove me to his radio show for a long time, which I liked him even more in. He has a knack for putting critical thought into things without taking them so seriously that it becomes hard to listen too. And his fondness for writers, and wordsmithery, made his guests just far more interesting. It's almost always sports writers. Very rarely athletes, and when it was they were particularly good interviews. And he always said he'd rather talk to writers than athletes because guys who get paid to think about things usually have a more interesting perspective than guys who just have the gift to do them. It's similar to why great players typically don't make great coaches, where as mid level players tend to more often.

Anyway, that show will be really hard to replace. It just feels like the guys filling that void are being too groomed to do so, whereas those guys came out of the writing biz and had a more natural learning curve. And as unique as those two guys are, their relationship is even more unique than just them.


I also still watch The Sports Reporters, which is a real seminal show for this whole culture. Even though I despise Mike Lupica.

[Tarik One]

I only watch on Mondays anyway. There are usually more topics to cover due to them coming off a weekend. It gets less interesting as each weekday goes by, especially First Take. Talk about beating a dead horse. My God.

[chosen_one6]

Bomani Jones looks like he has a criminal record

Just because he's black? You're an idiot or a troll. Or both. Bomani is a pretty smart dude.

[GreggPopazit]

Of course we want to see the regulars, but it is still nice to see sports conversations even if it isn't the usual suspects.

[sportsfan76]

Just because he's black? You're an idiot or a troll. Or both. Bomani is a pretty smart dude.


It can't be because of that since Michael wilboun and Steven A are black

[chosen_one6]

It can't be because of that since Michael wilboun and Steven A are black

Is it because of his masculine jawline?

[DeuceWallaces]

You have shit for brains if you watch First Take.

[Tarik One]

Just because he's black? You're an idiot or a troll. Or both. Bomani is a pretty smart dude.
Bomani sucks and voice is equally annoying.

[senelcoolidge]

They all say the same thing anyway. Each show has the same topics one after the other. It's just propaganda. No sort of free thought.

[ItsMillerTime]

You have shit for brains if you watch First Take.

:applause:

[MavsSuperFan]

PTI has a great format that would be entertainign with the right replacments. First take is just skip and SAS arguing though.
This

PTI can be good with a lot of hosts.

First take is all about the crazy opinions of skip and SAS.

They sometimes come at an issue in insane ways that normal people just dont think of. Its entertaining.

[SugarHill]

Bomani is the realest dude on ESPN, or associated with ESPN.

Not sure why they put him with that idiot LeBatard and his dumbass dad.
Bomani has the fakest and most forced laugh on television

[MavsSuperFan]

You have shit for brains if you watch First Take.
Genuinely entertaining, which is more than you can say about a lot of the shows on ESPN. Eg. Numbers never lie/ his and hers.

Skip is like that insane person that has no filter. dude is hilarious as entertainment. Also its funny when actual star athletes get salty at his trolling.

Eg. Durant salty about skip saying he was biting the hand that fed him. He was like I dont remember the media feeding me :mad:

[DeuceWallaces]

You have shit for brains if you find First Take entertaining.

[sportsfan76]

Is it because of his masculine jawline?


He just looks like a former criminal

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You have shit for brains if you find First Take entertaining.

What you find entertaining is subjective. Hugging trees, for example, isn't exactly stimulating for common folk.

[sportsfan76]

You have shit for brains if you find First Take entertaining.


Do us all a favor and follow the directions below

1. Stop posting

2. Log out

3. Cancel your internet service

[DeuceWallaces]

What you find entertaining is subjective. Hugging trees, for example, isn't exactly stimulating for common folk.

Thankfully I don't find it entertaining either.

First Take is the lowest common filth of sports television. I don't think there's anything worse, and if you find it entertaining I believe you're a ****ing moron.

[DeuceWallaces]

You don't like First Take, we got it the first time.

Obviously they want to discuss it.

[BurningHammer]

Not sure why they put him with that idiot LeBatard and his dumbass dad.
Because the show needs a straight man.

[sportsfan76]

Thankfully I don't find it entertaining either.

First Take is the lowest common filth of sports television. I don't think there's anything worse, and if you find it entertaining I believe you're a ****ing moron.

Cancel your internet service please

[bladefd]

Guys, just DVR it. I watch it the next day.

First Take - 120 minutes total..
I skip the advertisements - saves 40 minutes
I skip the opening topics since they are always repeated later in the show - saves 15 minutes
I skip anything related to Cowboys, Brady, Romo, LeBron, RG3/Luck, Mayweather/Pacquiao, baseball, other topics that becomes emotional nonsense (Tebow & Cutler at one point) - saves another 35 minutes

Just fast-forward when a topic gets nonsense. I usually give each of them 1 minute to speak. If it sounds like bullsh!t or an argument I already heard from them, I fast-forward.

I get through every episode in about 30 minutes.

[sportsfan76]

Guys, just DVR it. I watch it the next day.

First Take - 120 minutes total..
I skip the advertisements - saves 40 minutes
I skip the opening topics since they are always repeated later in the show - saves 15 minutes
I skip anything related to Cowboys, Brady, Romo, LeBron, RG3/Luck, Mayweather/Pacquiao, baseball, other topics that becomes emotional nonsense (Tebow & Cutler at one point) - saves another 35 minutes

Just fast-forward when a topic gets nonsense. I usually give each of them 1 minute to speak. If it sounds like bullsh!t or an argument I already heard from them, I fast-forward.

I get through every episode in about 30 minutes.


This is about SKIP AND STEVE not being on the show. Now tell me what the hell are you talking about?

[bladefd]

This is about SKIP AND STEVE not being on the show. Now tell me what the hell are you talking about?

Same logic applies whether Skip & Steve are on the show or not. It is about the topics being discussed and the quality of those discussions. Who cares who is on the show? If they put on good debate and sensible arguments, we are good. If their arguments are not sensible or lack quality, you fast-forward.

So where are you coming from?

[sportsfan76]

Same logic applies whether Skip & Steve are on the show or not. It is about the topics being discussed and the quality of those discussions. Who cares who is on the show? If they put on good debate and sensible arguments, we are good. If their arguments are not sensible or lack quality, you fast-forward.

So where are you coming from?


Why would I want to hear two Unknown mutherf*ckers talk about a good sports topic????

[bladefd]

Why would I want to hear two Unknown mutherf*ckers talk about a good sports topic????

Why would you not want to listen to a quality discussion if it is good discussion about a good sports topic?

You do know that Stephen and Skip were some "unknown mutherf*cker" at one time right? That is how everyone comes up.

[sportsfan76]

Why would you not want to listen to a quality discussion if it is good discussion about a good sports topic?

You do know that Stephen and Skip were some "unknown mutherf*cker" at one time right? That is how everyone comes up.


When it's a BIG STORY I want the TOP PEOPLE. And it sucks they were on vacation today with 2 major stories

Shady getting traded

Shaw getting fired

[KingBeasley08]

I used to watch a solid amount of First Take. It was entertaining as fck but Skip and SAS have become pretty good friends now. It was better when they'd yell at each other the entire time

[1987_Lakers]

I use to watch ATH and PTI religiously. Even remember the days when Max Kellerman was hosting ATH. I remember I despised Jay Mariotti and loved Woody Paige.

Does Woody Paige still do ATH?

[1987_Lakers]

I used to watch a solid amount of First Take. It was entertaining as fck but Skip and SAS have become pretty good friends now. It was better when they'd yell at each other the entire time

But are you old enough to remember the "Cold Pizza" days?

[KingBeasley08]

But are you old enough to remember the "Cold Pizza" days?
Didn't watch Cold Pizza but I remember when First Take was mostly reporting and the 1st and 10 segment with Skip and a new guest every time. I remember one time SAS was the guest, Skip's face was red like a tomato cause SAS was trolling him so bad :oldlol:

[sportsfan76]

wrong thread

[JtotheIzzo]

I really like PTI (I digest it in podcast form) regardless of the host (except for Jason Whitlock, the male Jemele Hill is a bit too annoying with the way he always goes for shock by going against the grain and his constant cooning must be annoying for black people).

LeBetard
Simmons
Adande
Ryan
etc.

All fine in spot duty.

[Tarik One]

When it's a BIG STORY I want the TOP PEOPLE. And it sucks they were on vacation today with 2 major stories

Shady getting traded

Shaw getting fired
Who gives a damn about Shaw getting fired?

[Andrew Wiggins]

Why would I want to hear two Unknown mutherf*ckers talk about a good sports topic????

you'd rather watch one retard race bait and the other retard take contrarian views to garner attention? :biggums:

[DeuceWallaces]

I really like PTI (I digest it in podcast form) regardless of the host (except for Jason Whitlock, the male Jemele Hill is a bit too annoying with the way he always goes for shock by going against the grain and his constant cooning must be annoying for black people).

LeBetard
Simmons
Adande
Ryan
etc.

All fine in spot duty.

I like all the fill in hosts. Whitlock doesn't bother me too much. I don't always agree with him, but he is very consistent with his opinions so I don't feel he's going for shock value.

Simmons is on today and tomorrow.

[mlh1981]

PTI yes, FT no. The format of PTI is suitable for replacement hosts, but without Skip/Stephen A, that show is pointless (it's borderline pointless WITH them lol).

[sportsfan76]

Who gives a damn about Shaw getting fired?


That's NBA news?

[sportsfan76]

you'd rather watch one retard race bait and the other retard take contrarian views to garner attention? :biggums:


I want to watch the stars of the show muther****er

[sportsfan76]

I like all the fill in hosts. Whitlock doesn't bother me too much. I don't always agree with him, but he is very consistent with his opinions so I don't feel he's going for shock value.

Simmons is on today and tomorrow.


Wait? No Wilboun or Kornheiser today?

[sportsfan76]

PTI yes, FT no. The format of PTI is suitable for replacement hosts, but without Skip/Stephen A, that show is pointless (it's borderline pointless WITH them lol).


When you have two stars like Tony K and Steven A they need to be there for BIG STORIES

[MavsSuperFan]

Thankfully I don't find it entertaining either.

First Take is the lowest common filth of sports television. I don't think there's anything worse, and if you find it entertaining I believe you're a ****ing moron.
you really cant think of anything worse than trolling nba and nfl stars?:coleman:

such hyperbolic whining

lol skip reminds me of a lot of the posters that used to hate on lebron in 2011 after his choking in the finals.

[MavsSuperFan]

I really like PTI (I digest it in podcast form) regardless of the host (except for Jason Whitlock, the male Jemele Hill is a bit too annoying with the way he always goes for shock by going against the grain and his constant cooning must be annoying for black people).

LeBetard
Simmons
Adande
Ryan
etc.

All fine in spot duty.
Whitlock is very proud to be black and very supportive of the black community?

Why do you consider his behavior cooning?

He wants whats best for black people, and tries to get the black perspective on sports issues out. He even started a website solely for that purpose.

[sportsfan76]

Whitlock is very proud to be black and very supportive of the black community?

Why do you consider his behavior cooning?

He wants whats best for black people, and tries to get the black perspective on sports issues out. He even started a website solely for that purpose.


Jason Fatlock needs to be fired

[MavsSuperFan]

Jason Fatlock needs to be fired
i think you might hate whitlock for different reasons. but you would agree he isnt anti black?

[Andrew Wiggins]

I want to watch the stars of the show muther****er

you enjoy retards blabbing about hot takes?

[sportsfan76]

you enjoy retards blabbing about hot takes?


Only retards I know of on espn is Michael Smith

[DeuceWallaces]

you really cant think of anything worse than trolling nba and nfl stars?:coleman:

such hyperbolic whining

lol skip reminds me of a lot of the posters that used to hate on lebron in 2011 after his choking in the finals.

It's clearly not hyperbole. There's no worse sports commentary than that dumb-ass show. If you like it it's probably because you're retarded.

[DirkNowitzki41]

Agreed. Skip and SAS are entertaining as hell.. never truly realized it till I saw the lesbian and 2 other guys replace them this week.

[Jailblazers7]

I don't get how anybody consistently watches First Take simply because the conversation is the same every time. The specific team, event, or player might be different but the points that Skip and SAS make are within a very narrow range. You can basically guess what they are going to say without even watching.

[sportsfan76]

Agreed. Skip and SAS are entertaining as hell.. never truly realized it till I saw the lesbian and 2 other guys replace them this week.


Lesbian??

[sportsfan76]

I don't get how anybody consistently watches First Take simply because the conversation is the same every time. The specific team, event, or player might be different but the points that Skip and SAS make are within a very narrow range. You can basically guess what they are going to say without even watching.


I think it should be reduced to 60 mins because it's not that much to talk about during months like


Feb after the SB
June after the Finals
July


Those are the worst times to watch First Take