How long till Bucks fan(s) realize MCW is garbage?

[Eric Cartman]

Or wait, has it already happen? :lol

Dude doesn't play winning basketball, doesn't know how to run a team and can't shoot for shit, no surprise Bucks are on a losing skid with him returning playing major minutes.

Non Bucks fan(s) can chime in as well, give your objective opinion on this subject, hell even GOBB is welcomed :cheers:

[ISHGoat]

Losing Brandon Knight was definately huge, and MCW looks to be a long term project with a higher ceiling than Knight. Hopefully he can model and develop like his coach. That length at every position is scary.

[ralph_i_el]

J Kidd is the point guard whisperer

[The_Pharcyde]

I agree he did come from a very toxic situation
But there is gonna be an adjustment period, wait till end of season at least

[Chadwin]

poor man's Rondo at best

[Milbuck]

What's really interesting about this is that he's actually been solid for the most part for us, while Knight has blown hard ass in Phoenix. MCW has shown a lot of positive potential in the few games he's played for us, and Knight is being exposed for the shitty defense, no court vision fraud he truly is.

Explain to me how MCW doesn't play winning basketball? He defends, he passes, he's been a good teammate/leader, he doesn't over dribble and constantly chuck like Knight, etc. He's everything we need from the position, he's just getting back from an injury and is in a totally new situation. Gonna take time.

Our team sucks right now but it has nothing to do with him. Same way I'm not gonna put the Wizards' struggles all on John Wall.

Also: LeBron James.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Has there ever been another player in NBA history who had the best game of his career in his first ever game?

[Jasper]

Lets get real here.
SOLID ... you better look at the stat sheet.

BKnight was a 18ppg 6 dimes and 4 boards guy for the Bucks.
He held the first team together , and sub'ed in with the 2nd team , and gave the 2nd team more bang for it's buck.

MCW hasn't in three games come close to a double digit game in points or dimes. :facepalm

Just because he has length , does he have balls :confusedshrug:
Utah game , matador defense.
IS he thinking Cousins or Sanders is backing up his defense:no:

How many rook MVP's ended up out of the league ?

Lets hope for the best , and hope Kidd can transform this guy.
Forget about the playoff's , they have the next 12 games that are with tough teams. Will see you in April, same time , same channel.

[Jasper]

Has there ever been another player in NBA history who had the best game of his career in his first ever game?
ex- Bucks PG gumbee 55 points/

[hawksdreamfan44]

The only way that trade made sense to me is that MCW has a similar skill set to that of J-Kidd early in his career. I don't think anyone would argue that MCW is an upgrade over Knight, but he certainly has more potential, and maybe Coach Kidd can mentor him.

[Eric Cartman]

Lets get real here.
SOLID ... you better look at the stat sheet.

BKnight was a 18ppg 6 dimes and 4 boards guy for the Bucks.
He held the first team together , and sub'ed in with the 2nd team , and gave the 2nd team more bang for it's buck.

MCW hasn't in three games come close to a double digit game in points or dimes. :facepalm

Just because he has length , does he have balls :confusedshrug:
Utah game , matador defense.
IS he thinking Cousins or Sanders is backing up his defense:no:

How many rook MVP's ended up out of the league ?

Lets hope for the best , and hope Kidd can transform this guy.
Forget about the playoff's , they have the next 12 games that are with tough teams. Will see you in April, same time , same channel.

Beautifully said :applause:

[Milbuck]

Brandon Knight with Phoenix: 13.5/4.5 on 37% shooting. Last two games....7 ppg on 17% FG.

I love how MCW, coming off an injury and playing in a totally different situation, gets ripped for showing good potential and putting up 11/5 on 50% FG, and yet healthy Knight sucking ass for a guard-oriented Phoenix team gets a pass. People will run with any nonsense narrative they can find.

Knight was not the primary reason for our success, our defense was. Our defense has been wack recently, and we're losing because of it. Also because Zaza, Ersan, Dudley, Mayo, etc are all either banged up or exhausted. The team is struggling as a whole and anyone who puts it on the MCW-Knight trade hasn't been watching.

Knight with the Bucks was a pretty stat line, period.

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[ralph_i_el]

Brandon Knight with Phoenix: 13.5/4.5 on 37% shooting. Last two games....7 ppg on 17% FG.

I love how MCW, coming off an injury and playing in a totally different situation, gets ripped for showing good potential and putting up 11/5 on 50% FG, and yet healthy Knight sucking ass for a guard-oriented Phoenix team gets a pass. People will run with any nonsense narrative they can find.

Knight was not the primary reason for our success, our defense was. Our defense has been wack recently, and we're losing because of it. Also because Zaza, Ersan, Dudley, Mayo, etc are all either banged up or exhausted. The team is struggling as a whole and anyone who puts it on the MCW-Knight trade hasn't been watching.

Knight with the Bucks was a pretty stat line, period.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-LVILoCUAAWL04.jpg

Wow, that's eye opening. future repped

[Nash]

J Kidd is the point guard whisperer
he whispered deron into shit

[ralph_i_el]

he whispered deron into shit
he did ok with Livingston though

[Genaro]

he whispered deron into shit
Deron was already on a downfall for years, it wasn't about Kidd. He can't stay healthy and when he can he doesn't produces like his old self.

[GreggPopazit]

poor man's Rondo at best

Sounds about right.

[Eric Cartman]

2-12 :roll: :roll:

Will the real MCW please stand up?

[Fudge]

Damn, Milby. How much you payin for rent?

[Milbuck]

I love how OP didn't bump this thread when MCW had 28/8/4/4 in his game right before this one. Or a couple games before that one when he had 25/7.
Damn, Milby. How much you payin for rent?
ZERO. :yaohappy:

[AI09]

LOL Milbuck now forcing himself to hate Brandon Knight. Milbuck was the biggest MCW hater on ISH before the trade deadline.

[Milbuck]

LOL Milbuck now forcing himself to hate Brandon Knight. Milbuck was the biggest MCW hater on ISH before the trade deadline.
I've been trashing Knight for the longest time you ****ing moron. Crawl back to your little shithole in Philly for another decade until the Sixers make the playoffs.

[SwishSquared]

I love how OP didn't bump this thread when MCW had 28/8/4/4 in his game right before this one. Or a couple games before that one when he had 25/7.
ZERO. :yaohappy:
That's true and b/c he's so young, he's really inconsistent. Personally, I would have taken the future LAL pick + Ish Smith (or any fill-in point guard) over him but I can see how/why Kidd thinks he can mold MCW into his ideal PG. He's gonna need to work on shooting all summer. His %s are pretty subpar still for a point guard in today's league.

You think you'll get the #7 seed? Or do you think Indy/Miami/BOS/Charlotte all fall short and battle it out for the last two spots while you guys keep #6?

[SwishSquared]

LOL Milbuck now forcing himself to hate Brandon Knight. Milbuck was the biggest MCW hater on ISH before the trade deadline.Idk if you were in many Bucks-related threads before trade deadline, but I've seen Milbuck cut down Knight dozens of times lol, going back months bro.

He trashed MCW (whether how sincere/trolling idk exactly) in more threads, mostly cuz I think people talk about 76ers (tanking stuff) more often than the Bucks on here. He got GOBB so riled up haha.

[GOBB]

Idk if you were in many Bucks-related threads before trade deadline, but I've seen Milbuck cut down Knight dozens of times lol, going back months bro.

He trashed MCW (whether how sincere/trolling idk exactly) in more threads, mostly cuz I think people talk about 76ers (tanking stuff) more often than the Bucks on here. He got GOBB so riled up haha.

1. Never riled me up. You must have a different meaning than mine
2. He wasn't trolling with bashing MCW. Even when MCW was a sixer, sixers fans never talked him up. You be hard pressed to find many who did. Yet he bashed him for the exact same reasons sixers fans criticized MCW game.

[RightToCensor]

Harden averages the same number of assist per game with less turnovers than Miguel Carter Williams, how does that make you feel **** boy?

[Milbuck]

That's true and b/c he's so young, he's really inconsistent. Personally, I would have taken the future LAL pick + Ish Smith (or any fill-in point guard) over him but I can see how/why Kidd thinks he can mold MCW into his ideal PG. He's gonna need to work on shooting all summer. His %s are pretty subpar still for a point guard in today's league.

You think you'll get the #7 seed? Or do you think Indy/Miami/BOS/Charlotte all fall short and battle it out for the last two spots while you guys keep #6?
He's also been dealing with nagging injuries for a while now. I think with a full offseason to get healthy, work on his game, familiarize himself with the team/system, and get a full training camp with Kidd..he'll be fine. Also the problem is just as much the personnel around him as it is his shooting. Without OJ, Dudley, Jabari, etc we don't have that many shooters/scorers for him to feed. You can see he wants to be a facilitator, we just don't have the weapons for him to work with outside of Giannis and Middleton. Zaza and Ersan show up like once every two weeks and Henson is basically worthless outside of his lefty hook. Bayless is constantly in his own world on offense.

Next year can't come soon enough. I cannot wait to have Jabari back, the biggest thing this team needs is a go to pure scorer. Think a MCW-Middleton-Jabari-Giannis-Henson has the perfect balance of shooting, scoring, athleticism, size, defense. If I see Ersan or Zaza in the starting lineup next year I'm killing someone.

Indiana will probably pass us up. I think we stay above the other teams. Miami is tricky though..they could pass us up too.

I want the 6th seed or 8th seed. I want no part of Cleveland whatsoever at 2v7. The whole point of making the playoffs is getting Giannis/Middleton/MCW/Ennis/etc a taste of intense playoff basketball, seeing what they're made of. It does nothing for their development if Lebron/Kyrie/Love are wiping them off the court 4 straight times. I think we could take a game off Atlanta if we're firing on all cylinders, or at least keep the games close. Cleveland would murder us.

[SwishSquared]

1. Never riled me up. You must have a different meaning than mine
2. He wasn't trolling with bashing MCW. Even when MCW was a sixer, sixers fans never talked him up. You be hard pressed to find many who did. Yet he bashed him for the exact same reasons sixers fans criticized MCW game.I think we're looking at 2 meanings. He's said that he trashed MCW in part to poke fun at 76ers fans, and I'm pretty he's mentioned you specifically in posts regarding that. That's why I wrote that part about you. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry for saying that about you and I must be misremembering.

I never said that 76ers fans supported him... not many people outside those who blindly follow Hinkie's moves kept faith in MCW until he got traded, or at least from what I've seen. I think you guys might be the biggest winners of that trade, depending upon what becomes of the LAL pick (whether it's a trade or drafting a guy). Even said I would have taken Ish Smith or another scrap heap PG + that pick over MCW, especially with picking up Ennis to be the backup of the future. Until MCW fixes his shooting stroke, I'm not convinced he can even develop into an above average PG w/o providing elite D.

[Jameerthefear]

I think we're looking at 2 meanings. He's said that he trashed MCW in part to poke fun at 76ers fans, and I'm pretty he's mentioned you specifically in posts regarding that. That's why I wrote that part about you. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry for saying that about you and I must be misremembering.

I never said that 76ers fans supported him... not many people outside those who blindly follow Hinkie's moves kept faith in MCW until he got traded, or at least from what I've seen. I think you guys might be the biggest winners of that trade, depending upon what becomes of the LAL pick (whether it's a trade or drafting a guy). Even said I would have taken Ish Smith or another scrap heap PG + that pick over MCW, especially with picking up Ennis to be the backup of the future. Until MCW fixes his shooting stroke, I'm not convinced he can even develop into an above average PG w/o providing elite D.
MCW is a great defender

[Cali Syndicate]

Has there ever been another player in NBA history who had the best game of his career in his first ever game?

Anthony morrow dropped 37 in his start ever....4th game played though.

[SwishSquared]

MCW is a great defenderHe's made strides, even is #8 in DPM this season amongst PGs, which is great. But his RPM is overall bad due to his offense. He needs to compensate much more for his offense with even better D to be average, that is if his offense doesn't come along. Height is a factor of RPM, supposedly, so that's something to note. It's inflated his net rating, which isn't that good fwiw.

Next year can't come soon enough. I cannot wait to have Jabari back, the biggest thing this team needs is a go to pure scorer. Think a MCW-Middleton-Jabari-Giannis-Henson has the perfect balance of shooting, scoring, athleticism, size, defense. If I see Ersan or Zaza in the starting lineup next year I'm killing someone.I know it's aggravating man. I didn't expect Inglis' foot to hold him out, Jabari to go down, or Sanders to have to get a buyout. I was really high on this team post-draft because I thought you guys did a great job. Do you think Henson can hold down the starting spot or is he more of a 20mpg, energy guy off the bench? I think he still has a good amount of upside, but he's gotta bulk up. Some matchups will eat him alive at his weight lol. I think Plumlee is destined to be a back-up.

Indiana will probably pass us up. I think we stay above the other teams. Miami is tricky though..they could pass us up too.Pre-Dragic trade I thought Philly might be in danger of losing that Miami pick haha. I think Indy is in now and Miami has to hold out Charlotte and Boston, which may be tricky.

The whole point of making the playoffs is getting Giannis/Middleton/MCW/Ennis/etc a taste of intense playoff basketball, seeing what they're made of. It does nothing for their development if Lebron/Kyrie/Love are wiping them off the court 4 straight times. I think we could take a game off Atlanta if we're firing on all cylinders, or at least keep the games close. Cleveland would murder us.True, CLE could mop the floor with these guys, especially if you're on fumes. I think ATL could destroy you, too, if the defense and energy isn't there. That team has bodies, even with Mike Scott hurt, a great coach, and they whip the ball around. Hanging onto dear life and getting #6 may get you Chicago. As long as Pau and Mirotic don't murk you I could see you stealing a game and maybe another. I guess that's the best matchup for you, maybe Toronto since they've had problems on D. At least you have length to cover Lowry & DD. J-Val could score in post like Pau though. Not sure how he's played against u recently

[Timmy D for MVP]

MCW isn't garbage. There are so many guys in the league that got cast in the wrong light and their career suffered for it. He had a great start to his career, has so much potential, so we said okay future star. He's struggled to keep taking steps toward that but he's young.

We may need to adjust our expectations on him but he is very talented and can be a very good player in this league for a long time. And we'll always have that moment we saw that stat line during his first game.

[ButterFace]

I still think he has a bright future. You just can't rely on him to win now.

[34-24 Footwork]

His game definitely hasn't translated from college to pros....

He's a taller Rondo, that grabs less boards, dishes out less assists and worse jumpshot. Lol

Homie is built to tank. Tanking cyborg.

[JohnFreeman]

mfw the Bucks win the championship in 2017 and Jabari and Giannis win co MVP

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[R.I.P.]

Knight was their best 3pt shooter. Now they have nobody that can shoot and that tends to make your team easier to defend. Sorta like the Mavs and Rondo. They

[iamgine]

He's increased his PER from 12.8 in Philly to 18.1 in Milwaukee.

[Jameerthefear]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Knight was their best 3pt shooter. Now they have nobody that can shoot and that tends to make your team easier to defend. Sorta like the Mavs and Rondo. They

[GOBB]

MCW is a great defender

Good defender not great. As a team defender you can catch him out of position leaving his man open. Just so he can get that rebound.

[Dr.J4ever]

The thing about MCW is that he will seduce you by filling out a box score. I know cause I've been there. He is a good all around player, and his 6'6 height and long arms give you hope that he can be a piece on a title team.

He and Noel were starting to build an identity with the 76ers, and it was mostly on defense. Philly was starting to pull out some games and MCW was a factor during this stretch. At one point, I was hoping it would be so, while ignoring the side in me that said MCW could never be a PG on a title winning team, at least in this era.

Fortunately, I'm not a GM, and Hinkie, I believe, made the better long term decision. Hinkie explained that 3 point shooting is so crucial in today's game, and is likely to become even more of a factor in the coming years. It may no longer be possible for a title team to have a PG that can't shoot a good % anywhere on the court, especially from distance. Heck, MCW couldn't even shoot decent FTs with us.

It's not just the shooting, but it's TOs too. So can MCW ever overcome these fatal flaws of shooting and turnovers, and general inefficiency? Bear in mind, that MCW, being a PG, has a enormous impact on the flow and overall effectiveness of the total offense. Ask yourself, how do defenses react to a PG that can't shoot? In the playoffs? Will they play 5 against 4? Can the Bucks overcome the handicap of MCW in a real important game against a good defense?

Is it a coincidence that Noel has looked better with PGs that can spread the floor with shooting? Noel's confidence seems to have taken off with MCW's departure.

This is what Hinkie and 76er fans looked at and weighed, and MCW was found wanting and expendable.

[Jameerthefear]

Good defender not great. As a team defender you can catch him out of position leaving his man open. Just so he can get that rebound.
he is a great defender.

[GOBB]

MCW 3-9 11pts 0rb 6ast 4to

No 3's attempted vs Spurs. Kidd mustve said if you want to raise your FG % cut down on 3's.


he is a great defender.

No he's not. I've watched him more than you have. #facts #urwrong

[Eric Cartman]

Trash in the regular season, trash in the playoffs.

[PhutureDynasty]

I had hopes for him to fix his shooting woes in Philly but he never did. Still like him but don't think he's a franchise PG. Maybe I'll be wrong, we'll see.

Happy for the return Philly got for him, will be ecstatic if LA's pick drops to 6 but it likely won't with the rig being in for them this draft :lol

[PWB15]

I believe everyone knows that about MCW

1. Awful handle

2. No jumpshot

3. Turnover prone

4. Horrible passer


:rockon:

[RRR3]

Rose sodomized him today.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What's really interesting about this is that he's actually been solid for the most part for us, while Knight has blown hard ass in Phoenix. MCW has shown a lot of positive potential in the few games he's played for us, and Knight is being exposed for the shitty defense, no court vision fraud he truly is.

Explain to me how MCW doesn't play winning basketball? He defends, he passes, he's been a good teammate/leader, he doesn't over dribble and constantly chuck like Knight, etc. He's everything we need from the position, he's just getting back from an injury and is in a totally new situation. Gonna take time.

Our team sucks right now but it has nothing to do with him. Same way I'm not gonna put the Wizards' struggles all on John Wall.

Also: LeBron James.

Great post

[chocolatethunder]

Another fantastic game from MCW. Overdribbling, forcing bad passes and shooting poorly. Is there anything he can't do?

[Milbuck]

Another fantastic game from MCW. Overdribbling, forcing bad passes and shooting poorly. Is there anything he can't do?
Way to expose you didn't watch the game you f*cking moron. MCW was good tonight, probably the 2nd most reliable player for us after Middleton. Stay watching your former boy play in the playoffs while your #3 pick is getting fined for missing practices.

[chocolatethunder]

Way to expose you didn't watch the game you f*cking moron. MCW was good tonight, probably the 2nd most reliable player for us after Middleton. Stay watching your former boy play in the playoffs while your #3 pick is getting fined for missing practices.
Actually I did watch the game. I sat at the bar at a steakhouse and ate and watched it. I'm glad you think that was a reliable performance. Enjoy him as a Buck he's got a really bright future. His shooting looked really good tonight. Saw him blow at least one easy lay up. Get used to that pal.

[outbreak]

He'll be an average starter/above average bench guy for his career imo.

[PWB15]

He'll be an average starter/above average bench guy for his career imo.

A PG without a jump shot and no handle will most likely be below average.

[Dr.J4ever]

The thing about MCW is that he will seduce you by filling out a box score. I know cause I've been there. He is a good all around player, and his 6'6 height and long arms give you hope that he can be a piece on a title team.

He and Noel were starting to build an identity with the 76ers, and it was mostly on defense. Philly was starting to pull out some games and MCW was a factor during this stretch. At one point, I was hoping it would be so, while ignoring the side in me that said MCW could never be a PG on a title winning team, at least in this era.

Fortunately, I'm not a GM, and Hinkie, I believe, made the better long term decision. Hinkie explained that 3 point shooting is so crucial in today's game, and is likely to become even more of a factor in the coming years. It may no longer be possible for a title team to have a PG that can't shoot a good % anywhere on the court, especially from distance. Heck, MCW couldn't even shoot decent FTs with us.

It's not just the shooting, but it's TOs too. So can MCW ever overcome these fatal flaws of shooting and turnovers, and general inefficiency? Bear in mind, that MCW, being a PG, has a enormous impact on the flow and overall effectiveness of the total offense. Ask yourself, how do defenses react to a PG that can't shoot? In the playoffs? Will they play 5 against 4? Can the Bucks overcome the handicap of MCW in a real important game against a good defense?

Is it a coincidence that Noel has looked better with PGs that can spread the floor with shooting? Noel's confidence seems to have taken off with MCW's departure.

This is what Hinkie and 76er fans looked at and weighed, and MCW was found wanting and expendable.

"how do defenses react to a PG that can't shoot? In the playoffs? Will they play 5 against 4? Can the Bucks overcome the handicap of MCW in a real important game against a good defense? "

MCW can be decent, I guess, if you surround him with shooters. But that's his ceiling---decent. He'll occasionally have better games than the last one, but they will be few and far between.

[Milbuck]

Actually I did watch the game. I sat at the bar at a steakhouse and ate and watched it. I'm glad you think that was a reliable performance. Enjoy him as a Buck he's got a really bright future. His shooting looked really good tonight. Saw him blow at least one easy lay up. Get used to that pal.
You probably missed most of the game stuffing your face considering you made that dumb post. MCW was the key part to what was a terrific defense that held the Bulls to 39% shooting, and individually held Rose to ZERO in the first half. Also made things happen offensively for a team full of offensively inept players, even if he wasn't the one getting the bucket or assist to please stat watchers like you. If MCW wasn't on the court tonight we lose by probably 20+ and Rose goes into MVP mode once again. You only see what you want to see because you are too stubborn to admit that Philly just gave up on him, and he still has quite a bit of potential.

[poido123]

Rose sodomized him today.


I didn't think so.


Rose started hitting some shots, but MCW played some great defense on Rose. Particularly when he and the help defense forced Rose turnovers on a few occasions.


MCW is getting hated on pretty badly these days. Are you just trying to stir up Milbuck?

[UK2K]

I kinda like MCW

[chocolatethunder]

You probably missed most of the game stuffing your face considering you made that dumb post. MCW was the key part to what was a terrific defense that held the Bulls to 39% shooting, and individually held Rose to ZERO in the first half. Also made things happen offensively for a team full of offensively inept players, even if he wasn't the one getting the bucket or assist to please stat watchers like you. If MCW wasn't on the court tonight we lose by probably 20+ and Rose goes into MVP mode once again. You only see what you want to see because you are too stubborn to admit that Philly just gave up on him, and he still has quite a bit of potential.
He fits right in with the offensively inept players. I'm not too stubborn, I didn't like him when he was in Philly. You didn't like him when he was in Philly. What the hell are you talking about.

[SwishSquared]

@Milbuck: chocolatethunder has consistently talked about MCW's shortcomings the entire time I've been posting on ISH. He knows his stuff, especially concerning guys who've played in Philly. It'll be tough for MCW to grow if his J doesn't get stronger and his handle doesn't improve.

This series hasn't been pretty, but man do the Bucks need a guy like Jabari to help out the offense. I'm impressed with the defense this game, where MCW can definitely continue to contribute. But he, Giannis, and Jabari *really* need to improve their shooting, especially if they continue having bleh offensive Cs. One problem is that the defense wasn't great with Jabari this year, but he can hopefully improve.

[Milbuck]

@Milbuck: chocolatethunder has consistently talked about MCW's shortcomings the entire time I've been posting on ISH. He knows his stuff, especially concerning guys who've played in Philly. It'll be tough for MCW to grow if his J doesn't get stronger and his handle doesn't improve.

This series hasn't been pretty, but man do the Bucks need a guy like Jabari to help out the offense. I'm impressed with the defense this game, where MCW can definitely continue to contribute. But he, Giannis, and Jabari *really* need to improve their shooting, especially if they continue having bleh offensive Cs. One problem is that the defense wasn't great with Jabari this year, but he can hopefully improve.
I don't doubt he does, I just think the timing of his post is amusing considering MCW was faaaaaaar from the reason we lost the game.

He wasn't prime Kidd offensively, but it's not like it was one of those typical MCW-bashing games where he shoots like 20% on dumb jumpers. He was attacking more than anyone else, trying to make things happen. There's only so much you can do when Middleton is literally the only one making his shots (Ilyasova, Duds, Bayless, etc have been GARBAGE so far), Giannis is playing like a complete *****, etc.

And defensively he was easily the best guy in a Bucks uni, the key part of why our defense was so damn good tonight. I mean, we held Rose to 0 points at halftime...0. It wasn't Jerryd Bayless doing that. One of the best defensive performances any Buck has had all year.

I understand MCW's weaknesses, I've been seeing them since the trade. But he's made visible progress since then. He's played much more under control in recent weeks. He still has brain farts every now and then but you can clearly tell Kidd and the staff are getting to him, he's playing much more within the team.

Another thing is that he hasn't really had much time or proper development to work on his jumper. We have an awesome staff to fix that, namely Oppenheimer. All he needs to do is not be a liability from midrange and it completely transforms his game. He's already a much better passer than Knight ever was, on another planet defensively, a much better attacker, all he needs is a somewhat decent midrange game and he'll be twice the player Knight ever was here impact-wise.

[SwishSquared]

I don't doubt he does, I just think the timing of his post is amusing considering MCW was faaaaaaar from the reason we lost the game.

He wasn't prime Kidd offensively, but it's not like it was one of those typical MCW-bashing games where he shoots like 20% on dumb jumpers. He was attacking more than anyone else, trying to make things happen. There's only so much you can do when Middleton is literally the only one making his shots (Ilyasova, Duds, Bayless, etc have been GARBAGE so far), Giannis is playing like a complete *****, etc.

And defensively he was easily the best guy in a Bucks uni, the key part of why our defense was so damn good tonight. I mean, we held Rose to 0 points at halftime...0. It wasn't Jerryd Bayless doing that. One of the best defensive performances any Buck has had all year.

I understand MCW's weaknesses, I've been seeing them since the trade. But he's made visible progress since then. He's played much more under control in recent weeks. He still has brain farts every now and then but you can clearly tell Kidd and the staff are getting to him, he's playing much more within the team.

Another thing is that he hasn't really had much time or proper development to work on his jumper. We have an awesome staff to fix that, namely Oppenheimer. All he needs to do is not be a liability from midrange and it completely transforms his game. He's already a much better passer than Knight ever was, on another planet defensively, a much better attacker, all he needs is a somewhat decent midrange game and he'll be twice the player Knight ever was here impact-wise.Haha, didn't mean to irritate you if I did. I'm not saying MCW can't get better, but I want to some results by next year's end given he lapses into old habits. I don't think he'll ever be like a top 10 PG at any time, but I'll be happy to admit being wrong. He'll continue bringing it defensively, though, which plays right into the scheme Kidd's assistant has implemented.

I've never blasted the Knight trade- if you don't want to pay him, get the best value possible. I honestly would have taken that Lakers pick & Isiah Thomas for Knight & the Clippers pick (plus Plumlee). Lakers pick (assuming it doesn't convey) could always be used in a trade this summer to upgrade @ C.

Hopefully Jabari becomes a bonafide #1 option because this squad really needs it. The vets are too old/washed up basically to be reliable playoff options. Middleton is overwhelmed guarding Butler & trying to carry the load. Idk what's up with Giannis right now, as I thought he'd play better in this series. Probably some playoff nerves or something.

[Milbuck]

Haha, didn't mean to irritate you if I did. I'm not saying MCW can't get better, but I want to some results by next year's end given he lapses into old habits. I don't think he'll ever be like a top 10 PG at any time, but I'll be happy to admit being wrong. He'll continue bringing it defensively, though, which plays right into the scheme Kidd's assistant has implemented.

I've never blasted the Knight trade- if you don't want to pay him, get the best value possible. I honestly would have taken that Lakers pick & Isiah Thomas for Knight & the Clippers pick (plus Plumlee). Lakers pick (assuming it doesn't convey) could always be used in a trade this summer to upgrade @ C.

Hopefully Jabari becomes a bonafide #1 option because this squad really needs it. The vets are too old/washed up basically to be reliable playoff options. Middleton is overwhelmed guarding Butler & trying to carry the load. Idk what's up with Giannis right now, as I thought he'd play better in this series. Probably some playoff nerves or something.
No not at all :cheers: Yeah I'm not expecting MCW to be a top 10 PG, all I'm expecting out of him is 1) great defense, 2) a steady *playmaking* presence, 3) fallback ball handler option when Jabari/Giannis develop into true 1st/2nd options, and 4) at the very least a decent midrange shooter. All in all I think he could very well be a George Hill level PG in this league. Not an all-star, not a dominant franchise player or anything...but a rock solid starting PG, a worthy ~4th option behind GA/JP/Mids. I like the Lakers pick but I'm gonna wait until the end of next year to really judge the trade. I really think this summer is going to be HUGE for the development of our guys. First offseason with the new coaching staff/development team, full training camp for MCW, full regular season to build chemistry. The pick sounds great but if MCW really picks it up as a quality starter next year I'm totally fine with letting the pick go.

As for Giannis, yeah, it's a combination of nerves and the Bulls defense. His jumper was nice to end the regular season but it's just not falling right now and it's killed his confidence. The Bulls have picked up on this and are sagging off, completely cluttering up the paint and preventing drives. Also the game being extremely slow paced and gritty is eliminating his transition game. And then there's Jimmy Butler.... I'm not pleased with what I'm seeing but it's understandable. Learning experience. He has to get in the gym and work relentlessly on that jumper.

Also, been curious for a while, what team are you a fan of? You seem to be into a lot of trade/transaction, team building stuff but I have no idea what players/teams you actually like :oldlol:

[RRR3]

I didn't think so.


Rose started hitting some shots, but MCW played some great defense on Rose. Particularly when he and the help defense forced Rose turnovers on a few occasions.


MCW is getting hated on pretty badly these days. Are you just trying to stir up Milbuck?
I said that after game one, bro. Rose most definitely went off that game

[chocolatethunder]

I'm not sure if you realize what went on here in Philly with MCW. They completely changed his jumpshot and rebuilt it from the ground up. The only problem was that it didn't get any better. So he was now shooting with proper form but with no improvement. Another bad sign was that he was stills poor FT shooter. People always say "he needs a jumper but you can work on that" yes you can but more players stay poor shooters than become good ones or even decent ones. You can bash Brett Brown all you want but he came from San Antonio as what? The player development coach, that was his job. So if for some reason you don't think that he knows how to develop a player, there's a coach with multiple championships who would disagree with you. So there's something to be said about that. I am realistic about every player I don't care what team they are on. Because a player wears a Sixer or a Mavs jersey or any jersey for that matter it has no bearing on how I view them. I call them like I see them. I assure you that if Melo got traded to the Sixers tomorrow that I would still think he's a black hole on offense. Eventually you'll learn about MCW. Keep on gushing about his improvement while players and coaches and execs rank him so low that it's embarrassing.

[Jasper]

Losing Brandon Knight was definately huge, and MCW looks to be a long term project with a higher ceiling than Knight. Hopefully he can model and develop like his coach. That length at every position is scary.


I am still hoping Knight can come back this summer to the Bucks.
He would probably start right from the get.

MCW is a player that I do not think can lead a team to the promise land.
People that do, will also think Jennings was the answer... :oldlol:

[Ray22]

I am still hoping Knight can come back this summer to the Bucks.
He would probably start right from the get.

MCW is a player that I do not think can lead a team to the promise land.
People that do, will also think Jennings was the answer... :oldlol:


Funny that you mention that, since Knight has similar weaknesses in his game :confusedshrug:

[Kobe_6/8]

ex- Bucks PG gumbee 55 points/

Gumbee?

[iznogood]

I thought MCW played well yesterday. His defense was very good most of the time. He made a couple of mistakes picking up guys in transition and waiting for rebounds instead of staying with his man.
He missed some shots, but if he rebuilt his shot last off season I honestly don't think he should be expected to make them consistently now. His shot selection was good and his passing was good as well. If he improves his shot he's going to be a valuable player in my opinion. His free throw mechanics looks awkward to me though, so I'm not sure if I consider his shot already rebuilt at this point.

[Eric Cartman]

I thought MCW played well yesterday. His defense was very good most of the time. He made a couple of mistakes picking up guys in transition and waiting for rebounds instead of staying with his man.
He missed some shots, but if he rebuilt his shot last off season I honestly don't think he should be expected to make them consistently now. His shot selection was good and his passing was good as well. If he improves his shot he's going to be a valuable player in my opinion. His free throw mechanics looks awkward to me though, so I'm not sure if I consider his shot already rebuilt at this point.

Hell, just give up on jumpshots and attack the basket. He's not good attacking the basket, but at least he's not horrid.

Also, it's overrated to be good defensively as a point guard, you can win championships with Tony Parker/Mario Chalmers level defense.

[veilside23]

id rather have MCW playing pg for my team than kemba... i know kemba is a stud and a shooter.. but despite having al jefferson... a gerald henderson, lance stephenson who look lost most of the time. dont you think kemba had an effect on that? maybe not.. but kemba is a ball dominant tweener.. kinda like that guy in syracuse who was a pg for the wolves but didnt do anything in the nba... flynn...

MCW on the other hand is a better PG who can be a great defender.

I believe that kidd will do wonders with MCW.. we just need to be patient..

LoL @ overrated defense for PG. sure TP cant play defense but everyone else around him aside from manu is a defense monster.. green leonard duncan ...

chalmers also had dwade , lbj bosh...

The bucks isnt complete ... they are without parker, sure middleton is playing out of his mind but they dont have a real threat ... and give a PG who can guard rose and shut him down ... only thing that can stop d rose is d rose that's if he is injured

[iznogood]

Hell, just give up on jumpshots and attack the basket. He's not good attacking the basket, but at least he's not horrid.

Also, it's overrated to be good defensively as a point guard, you can win championships with Tony Parker/Mario Chalmers level defense.
How is he going to attack the rim if nobody respects his jumper and the lane is clogged?
As for the defense, I don't agree with you. Having somebody who defends good at both guard spots is very valuable. And both Heat/Spurs won in spite Chalmer's/Parker's defense and not because of. And while they don't defend like Beverly or CP3 they are not nearly as bad as Lillard.