Which 90's superstars would translate best to the modern era?

[Im Still Ballin]

Obviously Jordan would be the number one. Not ball dominant, can play off ball, strong post game, could pass well from the post, didn't have a 3pt shot but was money from 16 feet... He would probably develop a better 3pt shot in this era

David Robinson would be a 7-1 Anthony Davis... His game would translate perfectly... He was never much of a low-post guy which isn't THAT important in the modern game...

Hakeem and Ewing, both skilled bigs with versatile offensive games, capable low post passers, both translate well

90's Shaq doesn't translate as well as the others...To reliant on low-post, inside buckets... He'll still score alot down there, but he will often be forced to throw the pass out (which he was good at) and if the inside part of his game is nerfed by the zone like defenses, then he really doesn't have much choices to score...

Feel free to add who would an who wouldn't translate good/bad...

[Im Still Ballin]

Obviously Jordan would be the number one. Not ball dominant, can play off ball, strong post game, could pass well from the post, didn't have a 3pt shot but was money from 16 feet... He would probably develop a better 3pt shot in this era

David Robinson would be a 7-1 Anthony Davis... His game would translate perfectly... He was never much of a low-post guy which isn't THAT important in the modern game...

Hakeem and Ewing, both skilled bigs with versatile offensive games, capable low post passers, both translate well

90's Shaq doesn't translate as well as the others...To reliant on low-post, inside buckets... He'll still score alot down there, but he will often be forced to throw the pass out (which he was good at) and if the inside part of his game is nerfed by the zone like defenses, then he really doesn't have much choices to score...

Feel free to add who would an who wouldn't translate good/bad...
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[SugarHill]

Reggie Miller

[nba_55]

Jordan without Pippen? not so sure.

[Dragic4Life]

Jordan's numbers would go down significantly to be honest.

[Im Still Ballin]

Well across the board I believe Jordan's raw statistic output would be less in this era than the 90's... This is not due to his talent and ability, more to the rules and nature of the modern era.

[nba_55]

Jordan's numbers would go down significantly to be honest.

This, I hate the fact that I have to agree with this because I will get many butthurt and hurt their feelings, but this is the truth. I love people, but I just can't lie.

[G0ATbe]

Scottie Pippen. Best player from that era imo.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Rookie kobe would 10 peat

[OldSchoolBBall]

lol @ this "Jordan's numbers would go down" nonsense. '89-'93 Jordan would still be a 31-33 pt/6.5 reb/6+ ast/2.5+ stl/1 blk/51%+ FG/60+% TS player.

[sd3035]

Jordan would get locked down by Bran

[GreggPopazit]

Stockton would get an even bigger boost in the modern era that favors point guards. His assists would stay the same, but he would have increased scoring numbers due to being able to get to the rim more freely ala Steve Nash. Stockton would suddenly become a consistent MVP threat.

[Chadwin]

paint camping

[Eric Cartman]

Olajuwon would be the best player in the league today.

[Chadwin]

Olajuwon would be the best player in the league today.

:cheers:

[Velocirap31]

Wouldn't Jordan literally be unstoppable? The driving lanes are wide open these days because the floor is spread with 3 point shooters. Jordan would be dunking and dunk-mid-air switch to layups all game. Jordan scored 35/game on primarily mid-range jumpers because the paint was so clogged with goon attitude centers. He would do as he pleases today. Seriously guys.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Scottie Pippen

[DaHeezy]

Tim Hardaway would be up there with current guards. As someone else said, Reggie Miller.

[Artillery]

DRob would be a perfect fit for the current NBA. Surround him with three point shooters and you're set.

[Velocirap31]

DRob would be a perfect fit for the current NBA. Surround him with three point shooters and you're set.

That's a good one. He's an upgraded Dwight.

[Quickening]

Take 10 percent off MJ numbers to account for pace, but I still think he would be a top 10, possibly even top 5 player at his peak in this era.

[Rose'sACL]

Wouldn't Jordan literally be unstoppable? The driving lanes are wide open these days because the floor is spread with 3 point shooters. Jordan would be dunking and dunk-mid-air switch to layups all game. Jordan scored 35/game on primarily mid-range jumpers because the paint was so clogged with goon attitude centers. He would do as he pleases today. Seriously guys.
there is also much better help defense played now with even better defensive schemes. this is all speculaion but MJ would at most replicate his stats from the 90s, may be fewer points for more assists.
MJ hated zone. he was pretty intelligent though so i guess he would have passed more to open 3 pt shooters when he would be doubled while driving in today's league.

[mehyaM24]

That's a good one. He's an upgraded Dwight.
he and dwight are nowhere alike. drob in this era would be like a souped up marc gasol with athleticism.

he & lebron would trade-off as best player every season.

[Velocirap31]

he and dwight are nowhere alike. drob in this era would be like a souped up marc gasol with athleticism.

he & lebron would trade-off as best player every season.

I just meant how Dwight is today's current example of loading 3 point shooters around a center. That's all Orlando did.

[Marchesk]

John Starks

[NumberSix]

Shaq

[3ball]

Jordan would get locked down by Bran



Paul George blows by Lebron easily:


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Jordan did the same to Rodman and Drexler, far more impressively:


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You do the math

[GreggPopazit]

Jordan would get locked down by Bran

:roll:

[andgar923]

Big dog Robinson, DC, Reggie miller, spree, nick van exel would straight up shit on today's league, Sam Perkins would be a regular all star, divac would be best center, penny would be the best player hands down, mark price would be a better version of prime Nash, Kevin Willis would be a regular all star, glen rice would be leading teams deep in the post, oh shit.... Brother Mahmoud Abdul rauf would be putting up 40 pt games on a regular, really tho, tons of players would be superior players today.

[LoneyROY7]

Barkley would beast.

[warriorfan]

Kevin Johnson would put up numbers like Westbrook but on better efficiency

[L.Kizzle]

90s is modern era.

Garnet, Duncan and Kobe were all-stars in the 90s.

[Im Still Ballin]

90s is modern era.
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[andgar923]

Barkley would beast.
Not so sure about that.

Today's rules would eliminate him backing down players in the post like he did, and softer rules would take away some of his edge. Half the shit he did would be a foul today.

[bdreason]

Barkley would be unstoppable.

[andgar923]

Barkley would be unstoppable.
And fined, suspended, in foul trouble.

He was an aggressive and physical player.

[houston]

hakeem

[Marchesk]

And fined, suspended, in foul trouble.

He was an aggressive and physical player.

But they would let Shaq be, right?

[plowking]

Somehow andgar believes that basketball today is worse, despite it being more popular than ever globally, and a larger pool of talent being available. lol...

Some people just don't have common sense. The game is better today, and it is harder to dominate as an individual. Several players have commented on it, even Jordan, mentioning that today's zones would limit what a superstar is capable of.

[Reggie43]

Chris Mullin

[3ball]

Today's rules would eliminate him backing down players in the post like he did



Are you guys all just stupid?.. Is that it?.. Seriously.. WHAT GAME ARE YOU WATCHING


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Today's rules would eliminate him backing down players in the post like he did


It's like you guys have all heard some number-cruncher say that posting up doesn't work today, so regardless of how many wide open paints and post ups you see, you'll continue to be hypnotized and think "post ups don't work today... post ups don't work today... post ups don't work today... uh, er, derrrrrr, i'm a dumbass".

But in reality, this type of post-up happens all the time - it's not RELIED upon like it was in previous eras because the spacing and rule changes have made ball movement more effective (and therefore a viable alternative to posting up.. an alternative that wasn't there in previous eras).





Today's rules would eliminate him backing down players in the post like he did


http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html

NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?

Stu Jackson: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.

[TheMan]

Jordan without Pippen? not so sure.
Wow you just can't help yourself, huh? It's a tired and played out saying but Jordan really is camping out in that small brain of yours...rent free.

To the OPs question, pretty much all of the players who stood out in the 90s would stand out today, it's not like the 90s were 50 years ago. BTW, Shaq would be as dominant as he was back then, surround him with three point shooters and it's over. If you don't doubleteam him, he'll destroy his matchup, if his defender gets help, he'll find the open shooter...pretty basic. That's how the Rockets won in 94.

[TheMan]

Are you guys all just stupid?.. Is that it?.. Seriously.. WHAT GAME ARE YOU WATCHING


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It's like you guys have all heard some number-cruncher say that posting up doesn't work today, so regardless of how many wide open paints and post ups you see, you'll continue to be hypnotized and think "post ups don't work today... post ups don't work today... post ups don't work today... uh, er, derrrrrr, i'm a dumbass".

But in reality, this type of post-up happens all the time - it's not RELIED upon like it was in previous eras because the spacing and rule changes have made ball movement more effective (and therefore a viable alternative to posting up.. an alternative that wasn't there in previous eras).



http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html

NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?

Stu Jackson: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.
Exactly

I think the biggest reasons why post up offense isn't as "popular" is for a couple of reasons...a lack of talented big men with elite post moves. For some reason, there just aren't any. Transport prime Shaq today and he'd be as lethal as he was back then. Another reason I believe is the Jordan effect, and players like Kobe, TMac, AI and Wade after #23. The game is more perimeter friendly because, one, casual fans like watching that style more and two, players today have been influenced by that style of play. That's why even though IMO LeBron would be damn near impossible to guard in the post, he still prefers to be out on the perimeter. Players just want to beat you off the dribble rather than post you up, it's more sexier I guess.

I firmly believe we'll see another dominant post up player(s) sometime in the future and we'll all go, "posting up your defender is effective!"...

[andgar923]

Are you guys all just stupid?.. Is that it?.. Seriously.. WHAT GAME ARE YOU WATCHING


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It's like you guys have all heard some number-cruncher say that posting up doesn't work today, so regardless of how many wide open paints and post ups you see, you'll continue to be hypnotized and think "post ups don't work today... post ups don't work today... post ups don't work today... uh, er, derrrrrr, i'm a dumbass".

But in reality, this type of post-up happens all the time - it's not RELIED upon like it was in previous eras because the spacing and rule changes have made ball movement more effective (and therefore a viable alternative to posting up.. an alternative that wasn't there in previous eras).



http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html

NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?

Stu Jackson: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.

One or a few gifs won't prove anything.

It's the RULE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-second_rule_(basketball)

Five-second back to the basket violation[edit]
A player in the frontcourt, below the free throw line extended, is not permitted to dribble the ball with his back or side to the basket for more than five seconds.[6] A count ends when:[6]

Player picks up his dribbling
Player dribbles above the free throw line extended
The defense deflects the ball
This is an NBA only rule. It is often referred to as the "Mark Jackson Rule".

[Im Still Ballin]

One or a few gifs won't prove anything.

It's the RULE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-second_rule_(basketball)

Five-second back to the basket violation[edit]
A player in the frontcourt, below the free throw line extended, is not permitted to dribble the ball with his back or side to the basket for more than five seconds.[6] A count ends when:[6]

Player picks up his dribbling
Player dribbles above the free throw line extended
The defense deflects the ball
This is an NBA only rule. It is often referred to as the "Mark Jackson Rule".
Don't even bother with 3ball, his posts are just copy pastes and barely relevant/lacking in context to the arguments at hand

A lot harder to post up in this era... As andgar said The 5 seconds mark Jackson rule... No illegal defense aka no restrictions on the defense/more defensive freedom.... The only way to effectively be a dominant post player in this era is if you have enough spacing via shooters, at the 3 point line... Classic example of this is Dwight's 09 magic that made it to the finals... This is also the reason why we see less dominant centers and more faceup shooting PF's... Big men haven't gotten 'soft', the rules have just changed. My Sacramento Kings need more spacing for Demarcus, he's pretty much the best post player in the league and a terrific passer especially from the block... He would do well with a guy like Serge Ibaka who provides the offensive spacing as well as the defense...

[Showtime80']

BS!!! Post play skills and commitment to that style has eroded to pathetic levels and it has nothing to due to "zone", that's just a lame excuse for people now to defend a current NBA which is basically drives to the basket and 3 pointers.

Riddle me this? Why didn't college basketball have ANY problem developing true post up centers for 50 years up until 1996(Duncan being the last) with a HARD TRUE ZONE, no 3 point line for much of that time (less spacing) and banning dunking for a while? I'll tell you why, the Jordan effect!!! A lot easier to dribble like a guard and shoot from 20 feet than battle and grind down low for 40+ minutes a night.

An give me a break with the population increase for the game being better. In Brazil soccer is practically a religion and the population has EXPLODED in the last 30 years and they can't assemble national teams that are even half as good as their 1970 squad!

Would you rather have a pool of 10 million people learning the true fundamentals and skills of the game or 40 million people trying to be the next Michael Jordan? That's 80's versus the NBA now in a nutshell

[Showtime80']

And someone seriously brought up Dwight Howard?!? This generation's lame excuse for a "great center" with the most unrefined low post game for an "elite" 5 that your probably ever going to see, really!

[andgar923]

Don't even bother with 3ball, his posts are just copy pastes and barely relevant/lacking in context to the arguments at hand

A lot harder to post up in this era... As andgar said The 5 seconds mark Jackson rule... No illegal defense aka no restrictions on the defense/more defensive freedom.... The only way to effectively be a dominant post player in this era is if you have enough spacing via shooters, at the 3 point line... Classic example of this is Dwight's 09 magic that made it to the finals... This is also the reason why we see less dominant centers and more faceup shooting PF's... Big men haven't gotten 'soft', the rules have just changed. My Sacramento Kings need more spacing for Demarcus, he's pretty much the best post player in the league and a terrific passer especially from the block... He would do well with a guy like Serge Ibaka who provides the offensive spacing as well as the defense...

Its not harder to post for the reasons you stated.

It's actually somewhat easier, just not in the way Chuck and some others did.

Chuck however was an excellent passer, and very quick at reading and adjusting to the defense. He would be hard to stop in the post, but some of his style would be limited.

But honestly, him backing people up isn't so much of an issue, since he had a great spin move and up and under. I do feel his aggressive style would make it hard for him in this new softer era. He would lose some of his edge. Chuck NEEDED to be as aggressive as he was in order to fight with the bigs of his time, he wouldn't be able to do that today.

Don't get me wrong, he would still be a great player, but I don't see his game improving as much. But players like Derick Coleman would be even better in this new era. Sam Perkins a 7 foot jump shooter with a nice post game would be an all star.

Having said that, players like Mark Jackson wouldn't come off the bench. I also don't see Payton seeing much of an improvement (he'd be about the same).

[ClipperRevival]

The rules today obviously favor athleticism. So any wing player or athletic big would benefit more than in the 90's. No hand checking, anytime you touch anyone is a foul and no hard "message" fouls allowed in the paint. Westbrook would not be nearly as good if he played in the 90's. Don't get me wrong, he's great but he wouldn't be as good in the 90's, given what was allowed on D.

Same goes for LeBron. Again, he would be great in any era but you can't even body him up or check him in the perimeter and given his superior size/speed over anyone else, he really gets a head of steam that's hard to slow down.

[ClipperRevival]

Jordan's numbers would go down significantly to be honest.

LOL. Based on what?

Jordan had to go up against one of the greatest defenses and teams ever assembled in the Bad Boys and their whole game was geared towards fouling the sh*t out of him every time he went to the paint. The league today is a freaken joke in terms of what is allowed in terms of physicality. Hard fouls to send a message are a thing of the past. You touch someone and it's a foul. No hand checking. No hard fouls. No physical contact.

The league obviously wanted to showcase their athleticism and that's what they are getting. MJ would've been even better given the rules today.

[ClipperRevival]

Somehow andgar believes that basketball today is worse, despite it being more popular than ever globally, and a larger pool of talent being available. lol...

Some people just don't have common sense. The game is better today, and it is harder to dominate as an individual. Several players have commented on it, even Jordan, mentioning that today's zones would limit what a superstar is capable of.

Please man. How often do teams run zone? Almost never. Why? Because it doesn't work. Why? Because players are too good at this level to leave your man and stay at a spot. This notion that MJ would've had difficulty cause of zone is ridiculous.

[3ball]

Five-second back to the basket violation:

This is an NBA only rule. It is often referred to as the "Mark Jackson Rule".


do you really think that barkley's game hinges on whether he has more than 5 seconds to post up or not?

if you really think that, and if you really think barkley's game was that limited, than your understanding of the game of basketball is literally on a kindergarten level.





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Posting up is actually somewhat easier today, just not in the way Chuck and some others did.


how is barkley's post-up style different from lebron posting up in the GIF above?

and why can't the same play be run for barkley on every play?
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[3ball]

BS!!! Post play skills and commitment to that style has eroded to pathetic levels and it has nothing to due to "zone", that's just a lame excuse for people now to defend a current NBA which is basically drives to the basket and 3 pointers.

Riddle me this? Why didn't college basketball have ANY problem developing true post up centers for 50 years up until 1996(Duncan being the last) with a HARD TRUE ZONE, no 3 point line for much of that time (less spacing) and banning dunking for a while?

I'll tell you why, the Jordan effect!!! A lot easier to dribble like a guard and shoot from 20 feet than battle and grind down low for 40+ minutes a night.

An give me a break with the population increase for the game being better. In Brazil soccer is practically a religion and the population has EXPLODED in the last 30 years and they can't assemble national teams that are even half as good as their 1970 squad!

Would you rather have a pool of 10 million people learning the true fundamentals and skills of the game or 40 million people trying to be the next Michael Jordan? That's 80's versus the NBA now in a nutshell


:eek:

JFC - this is an excellent post..

some very logical, rational, and indisputable historical facts being pointed out here.. some that i hadn't even thought of before (but will use going forward... will rep if they let me... edit: repped).

[Height Freak]

Although some necesarily "supertars":

Stacey Augmon
Mitch Richmond
Anfernee Hardaway
Tim Hardaway
Chris Mullin
Scottie Pippen
Steve Smith
Glen Rice
David Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Patrick Ewing
Tom Chambers
Xavier McDaniel
Dale Ellis
Avery Johnson
Mookie Blaylock
Gerald Wilkins
Reggie Miller
Gary Payton
Derrick McKey
Rik Smits
Detlef Schrempf
Sarunas Marciulionis
Rod Strickland
Grant Hill
Eddie Jones
Jason Kidd
Kendall Gill
Zo Mourning
Larry Johnson
Nick Anderson
Dikembe Mutombo
Sean Elliot
Chuck Person
Chris Jackson (Mahmoud Abdul Rauf)
Ron Harper
Danny Manning
Brian Shaw
Rik Fox
Horace Grant
Chris Webber
Latrell Sprewell
Rick Fox
Reggie Lewis
Drazen Petrovic


and many others...

[3ball]

Please man. How often do teams run zone? Almost never. Why? Because it doesn't work. Why? Because players are too good at this level to leave your man and stay at a spot. This notion that MJ would've had difficulty cause of zone is ridiculous.


Not only is zone defense never used, but zone defense is only one aspect.

When players talk about defense, most of their quotes say it's harder to score against hand-checking, higher physicality, no-spacing and paint-camping - these things from previous eras more than offset today's zone defense.

Also, today's NBA actually doesn't allow zone defense inside the paint - in the paint, players must remain within armslength (http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html) of their man at all times.. this is the very definition of man-to-man defense - and it's a very strict version of man-to-man.

Otoh, in previous eras, defenders DIDN'T have to be within armslength of their man to remain in the paint and could legally paint-camp.. paint-camping IS playing a zone inside the paint.. :confusedshrug:
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[f0und]

LOL. Based on what?

Jordan had to go up against one of the greatest defenses and teams ever assembled in the Bad Boys and their whole game was geared towards fouling the sh*t out of him every time he went to the paint. The league today is a freaken joke in terms of what is allowed in terms of physicality. Hard fouls to send a message are a thing of the past. You touch someone and it's a foul. No hand checking. No hard fouls. No physical contact.

The league obviously wanted to showcase their athleticism and that's what they are getting. MJ would've been even better given the rules today.


and no trash talking. thats just ridiculous. head games are no longer a strategy.

[LAZERUSS]

90's SUPERSTARS?

Do you honestly believe that the game has changed that much in 15-25 years that the GREATS of that era would NOT be just as great today?

[ClipperRevival]

and no trash talking. thats just ridiculous. head games are no longer a strategy.

It's really sad to be honest. They have taken so much away from the game. Like a hard foul to send a message. That's a part of the game. You do this to establish your presence in the paint and see if that guy is willing to come strong again. It's part of basketball. Physicality is a part of basketball. Trash talking and trying to get an edge mentally is a part of basketball.

They have taken all this away. You can't talk, you can't touch anyone, etc. It's simply a joke. I love the game so I will always watch the NBA but it's just such a joke what isn't allowed today. I just shake my head in disgust sometimes.

[mehyaM24]

most superstars from the 90s would translate well today. i'm not so sure about the centers (they would still be great) only because the rules permit them from dominating like they should.

[ClipperRevival]

90's SUPERSTARS?

Do you honestly believe that the game has changed that much in 15-25 years that the GREATS of that era would NOT be just as great today?

I think it's the young bucks. I'm old enough where I'm already seeing the youngsters completely disregard the accomplishments of the past and where I have to end up defending the era I grew up in (80's and 90's). Basketball is not that different from that era. And there is no doubt that the greatest and most competitive era in basketball history is the 80's. But I'm sure some young buck will come in here and say LeBron's Heat were the greatest team ever. :rolleyes:

[Showtime80']

To me the 1980's NBA was the equivalent of the 1920's in MLB or 1970's in the NFL, just a special ONCE in a lifetime period that could really never be duplicated. A period before big money and hype changed the essence of the league. The 80's had the fundamentals, skill, soul and competitiveness of the 60's mixed in with the razzle dazzle that the ABA brought in the 70's combined with the college enthusiasm to create the perfect blend of basketball.

It was awesome because I witnessed most of it but sad because you knew it was never happening again. To me the golden age ended on November 7, 1991, the day Magic announced he had HIV. The innocence and jovial atmosphere the league had for the previous decade went out in an instant on that day. What you had left was Michael basically towing with everybody from that point on which for some people might have been exiting but it just didn't carry the same feel the 80's had

[LAZERUSS]

I think it's the young bucks. I'm old enough where I'm already seeing the youngsters completely disregard the accomplishments of the past and where I have to end up defending the era I grew up in (80's and 90's). Basketball is not that different from that era. And there is no doubt that the greatest and most competitive era in basketball history is the 80's. But I'm sure some young buck will come in here and say LeBron's Heat were the greatest team ever. :rolleyes:

Yeah...today's basketball players are much taller, more athletic, and much more skilled.

That is why the 6-7 3/4 Kevin Love, who struggles to dunk, can run away with the rebounding title.

Or a 37 year old Steve Nash, playing 33 mpg, can win an apg title.

Or a 38 year old Duncan be among the best players in the league.

Or a Ricky Rubio shoots a career .368 from the field.

Or a broken down 6-11 Andre Bogut can win a bpg title.

Or an Andre Drummond can't shoot from 3+ feet.

Or the crop of 6-9 1/2 centers that permeate the NBA today...like Cousins, Drummond, Jordan, and Howard.

Or the NBA is shooting .754 from the FT line TODAY, and yet in the 58-59 season, the NBA shot .756.

Yep...MUCH better...

[97 bulls]

I thinj Pippen would translate very well. He would no longer have to honor the illegal defense rule, meaning hed be free to roam and just wreak major havoc defensively.

Whats more is that since the league implemented the 8 seconds half court rule, Pippens ability to hound a PG right when the ball is inbounded would be even more dangerous.

The defensive player of the year award would be his until he no longer wanted it. Not to mention the way the rules have made it easier for perimeter scoring.

Pippen would be a 20-24/8/7 player along with being the best defender in the league. And thats counting bigs.

[ClipperRevival]

I thinj Pippen would translate very well. He would no longer have to honor the illegal defense rule, meaning hed be free to roam and just wreak major havoc defensively.

Whats more is that since the league implemented the 8 seconds half court rule, Pippens ability to hound a PG right when the ball is inbounded would be even more dangerous.

The defensive player of the year award would be his until he no longer wanted it. Not to mention the way the rules have made it easier for perimeter scoring.

Pippen would be a 20-24/8/7 player along with being the best defender in the league. And thats counting bigs.

In the 1991 finals, when Pip started guarding Magic full court, it changed the entire complexion of the series. It would take the Lakers 15 seconds just to start there sets.

And yeah, with the 8 second rule, Pip could probably force 8 second delays all the time. Pip was the perfect wing defender. Tall, long, quick and athletic as hell.

And Lebron is one lucky sob Pip didn't guard him. Pip would've gave him big time fits.

[Lebron23]

http://thesportsfanjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/pippen-over-ewing.jpg

[Round Mound]

Sir Charles would easily be the best player on the planet :lol

[ClipperRevival]

Dennis Rodman also. I would take that guy on my team anyday. To me, he is the greatest rebounder ever and the most versatile defender ever. He could guard 1-5. He guarded the likes of Magic and Jordan to Malone and Shaq.

[LAZERUSS]

Dennis Rodman also. I would take that guy on my team anyday. To me, he is the greatest rebounder ever and the most versatile defender ever. He could guard 1-5. He guarded the likes of Magic and Jordan to Malone and Shaq.

C'mon now.

Rodman could outrebound the likes of the Admiral, Hakeem, Ewing, and Shaq...

but what chance would he have against this guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7TnbhJr8iY

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

In the 1991 finals, when Pip started guarding Magic full court, it changed the entire complexion of the series. It would take the Lakers 15 seconds just to start there sets.

And yeah, with the 8 second rule, Pip could probably force 8 second delays all the time. Pip was the perfect wing defender. Tall, long, quick and athletic as hell.

And Lebron is one lucky sob Pip didn't guard him. Pip would've gave him big time fits.

Is this CF86? :confusedshrug:

Good posts throughout

[ClipperRevival]

C'mon now.

Rodman could outrebound the likes of the Admiral, Hakeem, Ewing, and Shaq...

but what chance would he have against this guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7TnbhJr8iY

Lol. Can't imagine how utterly and clearly Rodman would completely shut down Love. I mean Rodman gave Magic fits and could keep MJ in front of him. Love might retire after a few outings against Rodman.

[ClipperRevival]

Is this CF86? :confusedshrug:

Good posts throughout

Who is that? If you are inferring that I'm some alt poster, I'm not. :cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

And who from the 90's could match this sharp-shooter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=993UTozPECc

[Round Mound]

C'mon now.

Rodman could outrebound the likes of the Admiral, Hakeem, Ewing, and Shaq...

but what chance would he have against this guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7TnbhJr8iY

:roll: :applause:

[Round Mound]

To me the 1980's NBA was the equivalent of the 1920's in MLB or 1970's in the NFL, just a special ONCE in a lifetime period that could really never be duplicated. A period before big money and hype changed the essence of the league. The 80's had the fundamentals, skill, soul and competitiveness of the 60's mixed in with the razzle dazzle that the ABA brought in the 70's combined with the college enthusiasm to create the perfect blend of basketball.

It was awesome because I witnessed most of it but sad because you knew it was never happening again. To me the golden age ended on November 7, 1991, the day Magic announced he had HIV. The innocence and jovial atmosphere the league had for the previous decade went out in an instant on that day. What you had left was Michael basically towing with everybody from that point on which for some people might have been exiting but it just didn't carry the same feel the 80's had

:applause:

[Cali Syndicate]

Chris Jackson

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Who is that? If you are inferring that I'm some alt poster, I'm not. :cheers:
Nah.. just an older and knowledgeable Clipper fan that posted here back in the day. Hope to see you comment in the game threads. :cheers:

[TheMan]

In the 1991 finals, when Pip started guarding Magic full court, it changed the entire complexion of the series. It would take the Lakers 15 seconds just to start there sets.

And yeah, with the 8 second rule, Pip could probably force 8 second delays all the time. Pip was the perfect wing defender. Tall, long, quick and athletic as hell.

And Lebron is one lucky sob Pip didn't guard him. Pip would've gave him big time fits.
I could see Pip hounding LeBron and giving him fits in the perimeter but if LeBron plays smart and just goes post up on Pippen, I don't think he could hang with LeBron down there. LeBron is a tank, especially if they let em play physical. Just my opinion.

[ClipperRevival]

I could see Pip hounding LeBron and giving him fits in the perimeter but if LeBron plays smart and just goes post up on Pippen, I don't think he could hang with LeBron down there. LeBron is a tank, especially if they let em play physical. Just my opinion.

True. But how much time does Bron play with his back to the basket? 15%? And when he does, you can throw a hard double. Really, Pip was born 20 years too early. I would've loved to see how Bron handles Pip and his length, quickness and athleticism. The closest guy to Pip today is probably Paul George. But Pip might've been the best wing defender ever. Some were shorter and quicker but in terms of overall ability on the wing, Pip is up there with anyone. And you can't forget the rules of today. You can't touch anyone. In Pip's days, you were able to body guys up in the perimeter.

Also, Rodman would've given Bron fits. He didn't have Pip's lateral quickness but he would be able to bang with Bron down low. If you can bang with K. Malone, you can bang with anyone.

[thefatmiral]

Robinson would dominate the regular season again. only marc could give him trouble maybe.

[Nikola_]

KG

[97 bulls]

True. But how much time does Bron play with his back to the basket? 15%? And when he does, you can throw a hard double. Really, Pip was born 20 years too early. I would've loved to see how Bron handles Pip and his length, quickness and athleticism. The closest guy to Pip today is probably Paul George. But Pip might've been the best wing defender ever. Some were shorter and quicker but in terms of overall ability on the wing, Pip is up there with anyone. And you can't forget the rules of today. You can't touch anyone. In Pip's days, you were able to body guys up in the perimeter.*

Also, Rodman would've given Bron fits. He didn't have Pip's lateral quickness but he would be able to bang with Bron down low. If you can bang with K. Malone, you can bang with anyone.
I agree. Heres a video of Pippen shutting down Barkley even though Barkley routinely tried to post him up. It wouldn't be as simple as TheMan is making it seem.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCAQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7SG e-vp_l8U&ei=hR37VL4_itSgBOPxgcAB&usg=AFQjCNHAHXYNWwh6Chu4zpUvrd0ivnlouw&sig2=qPPrZYqiyAWgz7QWpGYENA

[ClipperRevival]

I still remember the 1991 finals. In game 1, Magic was guarded by someone else besides Pip and he was able to freely bring up the ball up court and get his two bigs involved in Divac and Perkins. LA did have the advantage down low and escaped with a 1 point win in Chicago.

In game 2, Pip started guarding Magic and the series completely changed cause Pip hounded Magic and Magic had trouble getting the ball up court and 10 seconds would pass before the Lakers could even get into their offense. It made an old and slow Laker team seem even slower and that's when the young Bulls, with their athleticism, took over the series. Of course MJ was MJ and was dominant but Pip guarding Magic completely took LA out of rthym from game 2 on. Magic is obviously an all time great but he had trouble dealing with Pip and his length and athleticism.

[Im Still Ballin]

Good luck to any defender trying to guard peak Lebron when he's allowed freedom on stiff arms and shoulder charges

[ClipperRevival]

Good luck to any defender trying to guard peak Lebron when he's allowed freedom on stiff arms and shoulder charges

And that's fine. Physicality is a part of the game. Or was, at least in the NBA. If Bron gives you a shoulder charge, you come back and give him a hard foul. See how he reacts. Does he come harder or does he get tentative? Testing each other physically is part of the game. But that part is long gone. The NBA wanted to showcase athleticism and that's what we are getting. Players allowed to run wild in the perimeter without being touched.

[Im Still Ballin]

Lebron would react fine. Player aren't softer now, and players weren't tougher in the 90's. Rules dictate the physicality allowed... Ergo; It would be inaccurate and stupid to call players of today soft. Not that you are saying this, more to just remind the 90's and Jordan jock riders that their arguments are stupid

[97 bulls]

I still remember the 1991 finals. In game 1, Magic was guarded by someone else besides Pip and he was able to freely bring up the ball up court and get his two bigs involved in Divac and Perkins. LA did have the advantage down low and escaped with a 1 point win in Chicago.

In game 2, Pip started guarding Magic and the series completely changed cause Pip hounded Magic and Magic had trouble getting the ball up court and 10 seconds would pass before the Lakers could even get into their offense. It made an old and slow Laker team seem even slower and that's when the young Bulls, with their athleticism, took over the series. Of course MJ was MJ and was dominant but Pip guarding Magic completely took LA out of rthym from game 2 on. Magic is obviously an all time great but he had trouble dealing with Pip and his length and athleticism.
No offense to you bro. But why do people always call the 91 Lakers old?
Magic was 31
Worthy 29
Scott 28
Perkins 29
Green 29
Divac 23

[ClipperRevival]

Lebron would react fine. Player aren't softer now, and players weren't tougher in the 90's. Rules dictate the physicality allowed... Ergo; It would be inaccurate and stupid to call players of today soft. Not that you are saying this, more to just remind the 90's and Jordan jock riders that their arguments are stupid

Agreed. Players today aren't soft, it's the rules that dictate physicality.

[ClipperRevival]

No offense to you bro. But why do people always call the 91 Lakers old?
Magic was 31
Worthy 29
Scott 28
Perkins 29
Green 29
Divac 23

Yeah, they were more slower and lacking athleticism than old. But it's the fact that Magic had been making deep playing runs for 10 years along with Worthy (less a couple years). But it's the lack of athleticism when compared to Chicago that really stood out. The Lakers weren't even supposed to make the finals that year. Portland was. But Magic led them past the better Portland team. I guess when I say "old" I meant the nearing of the end of the Showtime era, even though their actual age wasn't that bad.

[LAZERUSS]

No offense to you bro. But why do people always call the 91 Lakers old?
Magic was 31
Worthy 29
Scott 28
Perkins 29
Green 29
Divac 23

Maybe not only, but most were injury-riddled and in a severe state of decline.

It was a miracle that Magic took that injury-riddled cast past the 63-19 Blazers, and into the Finals.

BTW, after Magic retired...records of 43-39 and then 39-43. Clearly it was MAGIC who made those players as good as they were.

[ClipperRevival]

Maybe not only, but most were injury-riddled and in a severe state of decline.

It was a miracle that Magic took that injury-riddled cast past the 63-19 Blazers, and into the Finals.

BTW, after Magic retired...records of 43-39 and then 39-43. Clearly it was MAGIC who made those players as good as they were.

I grew up watching Magic. He is my all time favorite player. There was no one quite like him. You want to talk about leadership qualities and intangibles? No one had more than Magic. 5 chips in the greatest and most competitive era in history. Legend.

[LAZERUSS]

I grew up watching Magic. He is my all time favorite player. There was no one quite like him. You want to talk about leadership qualities and intangibles? No one had more than Magic. 5 chips in the greatest and most competitive era in history. Legend.

Top-5 all-time player and a case for GOAT.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Im Still Ballin]

Thread rating:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6E6e_-AG9wk/Tlvt3qDYeaI/AAAAAAAAAGU/s4C2FSYfThU/s1600/5star.jpg
- OP show creativity in thinking and posting, also made it very open ended for a plethora of discussion and argument. Quality thread topic.

[97 bulls]

Maybe not only, but most were injury-riddled and in a severe state of decline.

It was a miracle that Magic took that injury-riddled cast past the 63-19 Blazers, and into the Finals.

BTW, after Magic retired...records of 43-39 and then 39-43. Clearly it was MAGIC who made those players as good as they were.
Even this is stretching the truthn injury riddled? They went into that series with James Worthy having a sprained ankle. An inury that occurred roughly two weeks prior to the championship.

Scott hurt his shoulder late in game four. A game in which the Bulls were already comfortably ahead. And people forget that Jordan played with a bad toe as well

[97 bulls]

Yeah, they were more slower and lacking athleticism than old. But it's the fact that Magic had been making deep playing runs for 10 years along with Worthy (less a couple years). But it's the lack of athleticism when compared to Chicago that really stood out. The Lakers weren't even supposed to make the finals that year. Portland was. But Magic led them past the better Portland team. I guess when I say "old" I meant the nearing of the end of the Showtime era, even though their actual age wasn't that bad.
Can't disagree with this.

[3ball]

Several players have commented on it, mentioning today's zones.


Some players say they dislike zone, but when players talk about defense, MOST of their statements say it's harder to score against hand-checking, higher physicality, no-spacing and paint-camping - these things from previous eras more than offset today's zone defense.

Also, today's NBA actually doesn't allow zone defense inside the paint - in the paint, players must remain within armslength (http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html) of their man at all times.. this is the very definition of man-to-man defense - and it's a very strict version of man-to-man.

Otoh, in previous eras, defenders DIDN'T have to be within armslength of their man to remain in the paint and could legally paint-camp.. paint-camping IS playing a zone inside the paint.. :confusedshrug:

[Im Still Ballin]

oh my ****ing god

die

THEY HAVE ALWAYS HAD TO BE WITHIN ARMSLENGTH IN THE PAINT YOU ****ING IDIOT

Even bruce blitz one of the hardest jordan d-riders of all times said this

[3ball]

THEY HAVE ALWAYS HAD TO BE WITHIN ARMSLENGTH IN THE PAINT YOU ****ING IDIOT


Players did NOT have to be within armslength in previous eras - that language is specific only to today's rules.

Here are the Illegal Defense Guidelines - do a simple CTRL F search and type in "armslength"... The word is not mentioned anywhere in the guidelines.

http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/Rules/Fouls.html


But enough of your derail - back to the point - some players say they dislike zone, but when players talk about defense, MOST of their statements say it's harder to score against hand-checking, higher physicality, no-spacing and paint-camping - these things from previous eras more than offset today's zones (zones that are not allowed in the paint).

[hitmanyr2k]

Lebron would react fine. Player aren't softer now, and players weren't tougher in the 90's. Rules dictate the physicality allowed... Ergo; It would be inaccurate and stupid to call players of today soft. Not that you are saying this, more to just remind the 90's and Jordan jock riders that their arguments are stupid

We really don't know how Lebron would react to this sort of physicality in the late 80's, early 90's but I know for damn sure NBA swingmen today don't have to deal with this kind of physical punishment from teams. Lebron gets to power through for "And 1s" and flex for the crowd because the defense is scared to foul him hard and get a tech for the flagrant. Some of this stuff wasn't even called flagrant back then. They were just hard fouls and psychological warfare to send a message that shit wasn't going to be easy when a player got in the paint.

Hard foul. Play on.
http://i.imgur.com/Wrnh3xG.gif

Typical hard foul from Rodman. Play on.
http://i.imgur.com/gSGB6QE.gif

Isiah head-hunting while Rodman has a well-placed knee to the groin and throws a shot for good measure. Nothing but a hard playoff foul.
http://i.imgur.com/XK9rGZh.gif

Rodman forearm shiver to the back of the neck. Play on.
http://i.imgur.com/RgLV70A.gif

Laimbeer with the elbow smash to Jordan's face. A move he perfected as if he were going for a shot block lol.
http://i.imgur.com/bkluI6D.gif

Laimbeer with another elbow smash to Pippen's face and Rodman follows it up with a shove into the stands. This was actually called a flagrant on Rodman for the shove, not Laimbeer though lol.

http://i.imgur.com/Ptbd167.gif
http://i.imgur.com/Zn3J6sz.gif

Aguirre with the forearm to the back and of course Rodman is there with another well placed knee and hip-check for good measure.
http://i.imgur.com/gMkF03j.gif

Another typical Rodman foul. No highlight dunks.
http://i.imgur.com/175myf4.gif

[Hey Yo]

I grew up watching Magic. He is my all time favorite player. There was no one quite like him. You want to talk about leadership qualities and intangibles? No one had more than Magic. 5 chips in the greatest and most competitive era in history. Legend.
80's Western Conference most competitive era??

Magic had it quite easy throughout the 80's

[Hey Yo]

We really don't know how Lebron would react to this sort of physicality in the late 80's, early 90's but I know for damn sure NBA swingmen today don't have to deal with this kind of physical punishment from teams. Lebron gets to power through for "And 1s" and flex for the crowd because the defense is scared to foul him hard and get a tech for the flagrant. Some of this stuff wasn't even called flagrant back then. They were just hard fouls and psychological warfare to send a message that shit wasn't going to be easy when a player got in the paint.
Some of those GIF's may be before there was such a thing in the rules as a flagrant foul.

Don't think it was made a rule until the early 90's, but I could be wrong.

[ClipperRevival]

80's Western Conference most competitive era??

Magic had it quite easy throughout the 80's

Who did they play in the finals? Celts, Pistons and 76ers. Three of the most talented teams ever assembled.

[Hey Yo]

Who did they play in the finals? Celts, Pistons and 76ers. Three of the most talented teams ever assembled.
Who did they play to have to get to the Finals?

Defense was pretty much an afterthought for the majority of teams in the 80's.

[Straight_Ballin]

Rony Seiklay
Harold Minor
Stacy Augmon

They would be doing some major damage in today's game.

[ClipperRevival]

Who did they play to have to get to the Finals?

Defense was pretty much an afterthought for the majority of teams in the 80's.

Are you going argue that the Celts, Pistons and 76ers are some of the best teams in history?

[3ball]

Some players say they dislike zone, but when players talk about defense, MOST of their statements say it's harder to score against hand-checking, higher physicality, no-spacing and paint-camping - these things from previous eras more than offset today's zone defense.

Also, today's NBA actually doesn't allow zone defense inside the paint - in the paint, players must remain within armslength (http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html) of their man at all times.. this is the very definition of man-to-man defense - and it's a very strict version of man-to-man.

Otoh, in previous eras, defenders DIDN'T have to be within armslength of their man to remain in the paint and could legally paint-camp.. paint-camping IS playing a zone inside the paint.. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

You guys ACTUALLY WATCH the games right?

All teams today initiate possessions with some sort of dribble-penetration towards the basket - it's simply the most readily available option and the easiest way to initiate offense in today's game.

Most of the time, the penetrator literally just waltzes into a massive spacing-enhanced driving lane untouched after a high screen roll or isolation play of some kind.. It is standard for even stiffs like Ramon Sessions and Patty Mills to initiate every offensive possession with a standard dribble penetration in into the lane.

It's a fact that dribble-penetration occurs much more today than any time in history.. It's also a well-documented fact that this was the NBA's exact intention... So the notion that wings from previous eras would play worse in today's game is ludicrous because we know they would be getting in the lane easier today than any other era.



Some players say they dislike zone, but when players talk about defense, MOST of their statements say it's harder to score against hand-checking, higher physicality, no-spacing and paint-camping - these things from previous eras more than offset today's zone defense.

Also, today's NBA actually doesn't allow zone defense inside the paint - in the paint, players must remain within armslength (http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html) of their man at all times.. this is the very definition of man-to-man defense - and it's a very strict version of man-to-man.

Otoh, in previous eras, defenders DIDN'T have to be within armslength of their man to remain in the paint and could legally paint-camp.. paint-camping IS playing a zone inside the paint.. :confusedshrug: