View Full Version : NBA admits they got the missed foul on Harden wrong
Orlando Magic
03-05-2015, 06:53 PM
Would you rather they didn't admit it?
Adam Silver > David Stern
Hittin_Shots
03-05-2015, 06:56 PM
Let's have them review all his called fouls then and see how many he doesn't deserve?
I'd rather have them get it right.
Let's have them review all his called fouls then and see how many he doesn't deserve?
I think he deserves 98% of them.
If you watched, you would agree.
GreggPopazit
03-05-2015, 06:59 PM
I wish fouls were reviewable in certain moments. They obviously can review some calls during the game, and they can make judgements such as this after the game, so why can't they review blatant calls and non-calls during critical moments in game?
G0ATbe
03-05-2015, 07:02 PM
He gets so many BS fouls though so its ok.
Hittin_Shots
03-05-2015, 07:05 PM
I think he deserves 98% of them.
If you watched, you would agree.
A foul could be called on 98% of plays if refs saw fit.. doesn't mean harden doesn't get a lot more of them called than most.
ElPigto
03-05-2015, 07:05 PM
Let's have them review all his called fouls then and see how many he doesn't deserve?
He actually deserves most of them. You might not like how he plays the game but the way he extends his hands to bait the defense to try and deflect the ball from him by swiping down is a legit call.
JT123
03-05-2015, 07:05 PM
I wish fouls were reviewable in certain moments. They obviously can review some calls during the game, and they can make judgements such as this after the game, so why can't they review blatant calls and non-calls during critical moments in game?
Who determines what is blatant? :rolleyes: Players whine for fouls on every possession, the game would last 4 hours.
pnyozzzoo
03-05-2015, 07:06 PM
The boy who cried wolves too many times. Harden lost his creditability.
Harden baited so many cheap fouls (some he initiated by fling his arm through defender, some just nothing there to call at all) in those situations.
In a game ending, deciding moments , esp in the playoff ref will just let it play out. you make it you win, you miss it you lose.
GreggPopazit
03-05-2015, 07:09 PM
Who determines what is blatant? :rolleyes: Players whine for fouls on every possession, the game would last 4 hours.
Well the NBA was able to say they blew this call. Wouldn't it be nicer if they could have done that during the game? Maybe make it so teams (coaches) are allowed to call for 1 reviewed play when the ball is stopped in the final 2 minutes of the game. And maybe the refs can determine if they need to review something. Then just have an auto tech for any player asking for a 2nd review, just as exceeding your timeout limit is an auto tech.
A foul could be called on 98% of plays if refs saw fit.. doesn't mean harden doesn't get a lot more of them called than most.
If that's true, and Houston only shot 5 free throws all game, when they're #6th in the league in FTA, it would seem borderline point shaving does it not?
Let's have them review all his called fouls then and see how many he doesn't deserve?
exactly
That's the one problem I have with this NBA transparency on fouls.. they talk about one or two fouls missed or called wrong in a 48 minute game..
if you're going to be transparent be completely transparent not selectively because this serves no purpose.. it's not like they're going back and replaying the last few seconds or overturning the win
buddha
03-05-2015, 07:44 PM
they should send both teams back to the court and let Harden shoot those freethrows then play out the game. wouldn't that be awesome?
GreggPopazit
03-05-2015, 07:51 PM
they should send both teams back to the court and let Harden shoot those freethrows then play out the game. wouldn't that be awesome?
Yeah, it is weird that they will re-play games if a player is accidentally attributed somebody else's foul and are fouled out that indirectly impacts the game, but won't re-play when a blatant mistake was made on a call that impacts the game directly.
It was a blatantly missed call...Now detractors will say its karma for all the free throws he gets. Me though, a horrible call is a horrible call and I was watching it. I wasn't sure in real time but on the replay, its super obvious and it cost them the game. Gasol still had to make the shot but still, the game may have just been overtime assuming Harden would have hit both his free throws.
bdreason
03-05-2015, 08:02 PM
That's what happens when you flop on every drive to the basket. Sometimes the refs aren't sure if you got fouled or not. It's called basketball karma.
Same thing happens come playoff time. The refs aren't going to give you the game at the FT line in the playoffs.
NugzFan
03-05-2015, 08:04 PM
I think he deserves 98% of them.
If you watched, you would agree.
No he doesn't.
Droid101
03-05-2015, 08:05 PM
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greatest-ever
03-05-2015, 08:09 PM
I never understand the point of them coming out after the fact and admitting they missed a call. There is nothing that can be done so what is the point?
Spurs m8
03-05-2015, 08:11 PM
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Spurs5Rings2014
03-05-2015, 08:32 PM
If that's true, and Houston only shot 5 free throws all game, when they're #6th in the league in FTA, it would seem borderline point shaving does it not?
:biggums:
Fair point, but Harden gets too much hate on this forum for anyone to acknowledge this.
RoseCity07
03-05-2015, 08:54 PM
No problem admitting the mistake but will they admit that they made a mistake on the other 5 flop calls Harden gets every game?
No he doesn't.
Then you dont watch.
YouGotServed
03-06-2015, 12:22 AM
League doesn't Harden getting the MVP. :facepalm So if not for the refs Houston is what, like 2 games behind Memphis?
supernova5912
03-06-2015, 03:26 AM
Yeah, it is weird that they will re-play games if a player is accidentally attributed somebody else's foul and are fouled out that indirectly impacts the game, but won't re-play when a blatant mistake was made on a call that impacts the game directly.
This, the referees will admit that they incorrectly gave a rebound and assist to LeBron but won't admit Chandler flopped to get Cousins to foul out and have the Mavs win in overtime.
andremiller07
03-06-2015, 03:50 AM
The guy has got so many calls for him that were not fouls it's about time one went against him tbh. Great game but.
The guy has got so many calls for him that were not fouls it's about time one went against him tbh. Great game but.
FTA
Harden 9.5
Westbrook 9.2
What about Russ? Does he get many not foul calls too?
warriorfan
03-06-2015, 04:41 AM
Common knowledge that NBA refs swallow their whistles during the close out of games. This gets worse in the playoffs. What's wrong? Is it really too much to ask for Harden to win on a real shot rather than flailing around for BS free throws? Really....
Common knowledge that NBA refs swallow their whistles during the close out of games. This gets worse in the playoffs. What's wrong? Is it really too much to ask for Harden to win on a real shot rather than flailing around for BS free throws? Really....
He was fouled. Very obviously.
It would have been a real shot... but he was slapped across his arm, which caused him to lose the ball.
Did you just not watch the video at all? :oldlol:
ronnymac
03-06-2015, 04:46 AM
Let the grizz have the second seed. That would mean playing the spurs or the Thunder. I much rather play the Clippers or Dallas as the number 3 or 4th seed.This was probaly a blessing in disguise for us. It would give the beard more fuel.
Let the grizz have the second seed. That would mean playing the spurs or the Thunder. I much rather play the Clippers or Dallas as the number 3 or 4th seed.This was probaly a blessing in disguise for us. It would give the beard more fuel.
Id rather play the Grizz than the Clippers.
Dwight Howard plays like hot garbage every time we play the Clippers.
I wouldn't mind Dallas though. I think thats the best bet.
ronnymac
03-06-2015, 04:56 AM
We aren't playing the grizz in the 1st round.. They will finish second eitherway and we aint dropping lower then the 4th seed.By not finishing second we will most likely avoid the Spurs(who are quietly starting to roll) and the Westbrook/Durant Thunder.The game against the Blazers on the 11th will most likely decide if we finish 3rd or 4th. We finish 3rd we play the Mavs in the most likely scenario and finish 4th we play the Clippers.
The Clippers matchup is not ideal so it it paramount we beat the Blazers and finish 3rd.
warriorfan
03-06-2015, 05:13 AM
He was fouled. Very obviously.
It would have been a real shot... but he was slapped across his arm, which caused him to lose the ball.
Did you just not watch the video at all? :oldlol:
Ref's dont call fouls in the final seconds of a neck and neck game. Harden should know this and realize he isn't gonna get gifted game winning freethrows by doing his drive and flail around bullshit on the last play of the game.
The boy who cried wolves too many times. Harden lost his creditability.
Harden baited so many cheap fouls (some he initiated by fling his arm through defender, some just nothing there to call at all) in those situations.
In a game ending, deciding moments , esp in the playoff ref will just let it play out. you make it you win, you miss it you lose.
Missed this post earlier in the thread....this guy knows what's up.
This is why players dont drive in the final minutes. The refs let almost anything go. Moving screens, hand checking, blatant hacks. Should have went for the step back.
el_locoteee
03-06-2015, 05:23 AM
No problem admitting the mistake but will they admit that they made a mistake on the other 5 flop calls Harden gets every game?
You are mistaking for a diferent James, his name is Lebron.
Ref's dont call fouls in the final seconds of a neck and neck game. Harden should know this and realize he isn't gonna get gifted game winning freethrows by doing his drive and flail around bullshit on the last play of the game.
So... despite the fact that he was in fact fouled, you think its appropriate to not call a foul because its the final seconds of the game.
Odd.
That's like saying officials shouldn't call pass interference after the 2 minute warning, because, its after the 2 minute warning.
So... despite the fact that he was in fact fouled, you think its appropriate to not call a foul because its the final seconds of the game.
Odd.
That's like saying officials shouldn't call pass interference after the 2 minute warning, because, its after the 2 minute warning.
Different sport. But yes, the refs are more hesitant to call pass interference/holding in the final minutes.
Harden should have got free throws, but it sounds like he should have known he wasnt getting the call in this game (5ft for the whole team)
Different sport. But yes, the refs are more hesitant to call pass interference/holding in the final minutes.
Harden should have got free throws, but it sounds like he should have known he wasnt getting the call in this game (5ft for the whole team)
I mean... Im sure he would have liked to shoot the lay up, but he was slapped across the arm.
Last 5 seconds, last 10 seconds, whatever, it wasn't a body bump that was missed, it was a blatant, slap across the arm, that got zero ball.
I ain't mad. I officiated middle and high school basketball and its a lot harder than it looks, but...... you gonna miss that one?
warriorfan
03-06-2015, 05:36 AM
So... despite the fact that he was in fact fouled, you think its appropriate to not call a foul because its the final seconds of the game.
Odd.
That's like saying officials shouldn't call pass interference after the 2 minute warning, because, its after the 2 minute warning.
This is why players dont drive in the final minutes. The refs let almost anything go. Moving screens, hand checking, blatant hacks. Should have went for the step back.
this
CeltsGarlic
03-06-2015, 05:37 AM
This "Harden lives by BS calls" needs to stop. Watching Harden play is amazing. Really underrated courtvision and feel for the game.
ronnymac
03-06-2015, 06:00 AM
Ref's dont call fouls in the final seconds of a neck and neck game. Harden should know this and realize he isn't gonna get gifted game winning freethrows by doing his drive and flail around bullshit on the last play of the game.
Missed this post earlier in the thread....this guy knows what's up.
How many different ids do you have?:roll:
ronnymac
03-06-2015, 06:02 AM
This "Harden lives by BS calls" needs to stop. Watching Harden play is amazing. Really underrated courtvision and feel for the game.
Yep it's his fault that he is a bull and no one can stop him without fouling. It is unbeliveble the idiotic logic siome people use to bash him.Harden and lebron are the best 1-on-1 players in isolation and open court .Harden off the dribble is impossible to stop unless you foul him or hope he misses a shot
CeltsGarlic
03-06-2015, 07:20 AM
Common knowledge that NBA refs swallow their whistles during the close out of games. This gets worse in the playoffs. What's wrong? Is it really too much to ask for Harden to win on a real shot rather than flailing around for BS free throws? Really....
You and all those other idiots who say the same..
So you think that Harden shouldnt drive to the rim in the clutch? He should always settle for a jumper because he is going to get hacked inside, thats alright according to you?
Thats the same as Deandre with new rule implementation to stop hack a shaq. Learn to shoot FT,Dre, and Harden defenders should learn to defend without fouling.
brantonli
03-06-2015, 07:31 AM
That's what happens when you flop on every drive to the basket. Sometimes the refs aren't sure if you got fouled or not. It's called basketball karma.
Same thing happens come playoff time. The refs aren't going to give you the game at the FT line in the playoffs.
Really? Have you watched many Rockets games this season? Many of Harden's FTs are legit fouls, because for whatever reason, the defenders (And especially help defenders) think it's a good idea to reach in whenever Harden drives in, and end up getting a piece of his arm. Does Harden seek contact? Sure, who doesn't? If you know he's going to seek contact, get out of his way then.
Harden did use to exaggerate contact, but he's toned down on that a lot this season.
I do agree on the playoffs point though. The refs do let players play tougher and Harden will need to adjust for that.
ABfor3
03-06-2015, 08:06 AM
Harden gets fouled most the time, he keeps the ball down low which forces defenders to foul him. It's a crafty technique and it works almost every time and they always hit him on the same spot, right on the forearm.
AussieG
03-06-2015, 10:25 AM
Common knowledge that NBA refs swallow their whistles during the close out of games. This gets worse in the playoffs. What's wrong? Is it really too much to ask for Harden to win on a real shot rather than flailing around for BS free throws? Really....
Have never been a fan of games being decided by FT's, especially a buzzer beater. Refs also have a tendency not to call them but for superstars they usually do. It's one of the main reasons why a fadeaway is the main go to buzzer beater shot, because if you go to the hoop, you are at the mercy of the refs and they have a tendancy to swallow their whistles in these moments.
It's the same at the end of every quarter, it's rare when they give FT's and everyone sort of knows that you can be more aggressive in those moments.
It all depends on the individual ref, there is a random part to it.. but overall I'm shocked anytime someone gets butthurt over any one individual call.
None of this has anything to do with that Rockets game, would have said the exact same thing a week ago. It's been like this for years.
Unless you are LeBron or Westbrook, it's risky to ever expect the refs to give you FT's if there are seconds left and it's to win the game.
AussieG
03-06-2015, 10:30 AM
You and all those other idiots who say the same..
So you think that Harden shouldnt drive to the rim in the clutch? He should always settle for a jumper because he is going to get hacked inside, thats alright according to you?
Thats the same as Deandre with new rule implementation to stop hack a shaq. Learn to shoot FT,Dre, and Harden defenders should learn to defend without fouling.
This is nothing to do with Harden, it's a league wide issue.
He can go to the hoop if he wants, but he should know that if there is less than 5 seconds to go, it's rare that he's going to get the call. Sometimes he'll get it, but he shouldn't depend on it. Priority should to avoid contact and make the shot (a safer risk), over initiating contact and getting to the line. Most experienced players know this, you can tell by the way they play.
If the refs changed their ways, it'd be a different story but you could say that about many things in the NBA. Same thing with rookies getting calls, same thing with vets getting calls, same thing with home crowd advantage, same thing with superstar treatment. It's just the way it is.
AussieG
03-06-2015, 10:37 AM
Let the grizz have the second seed. That would mean playing the spurs or the Thunder. I much rather play the Clippers or Dallas as the number 3 or 4th seed.This was probaly a blessing in disguise for us. It would give the beard more fuel.
The funny thing about the playoffs this season in the West is that no one really knows where they'd rather be until it all shakes out and then look back. The Thunder could be dangerous or they could have injuries (like they've had all season) and the Spurs could be dangerous or they could have died of old age before the playoffs start. Clippers, Blazers and Rockets look strong on paper but always seem to disappoint in the playoffs. Even the Grizz and Warriors are inexperienced in terms of making it to the finals. And the two best teams over the last few years have question marks over them.
It's hard to tank in advance, and even if you tried, it could backfire. Getting homecourt is about the only thing of value, everything else.. it's hard to say if you'd be better off with first seed or 4th seed. If you plan on making it to the Finals, it doesn't matter much either way since you'd have to be playing the top teams eventually.
Whoever makes it out of the West this season will have earned it the hard way.
NugzFan
03-06-2015, 11:28 AM
Then you dont watch.
Keep being a homer. :oldlol:
Ref's dont call fouls in the final seconds of a neck and neck game. Harden should know this and realize he isn't gonna get gifted game winning freethrows by doing his drive and flail around bullshit on the last play of the game.
Missed this post earlier in the thread....this guy knows what's up.
What are you talking about? I know Harden flails around but on that drive, he was just trying to shoot a layup and he was at the rim and he probably would have made it, thats why the defender slapped down and fouled him trying to knock the ball away at the last minute because he was already beaten...
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