Grown men in their 30s and 40s who still fanboy Jordan

[rlsmooth775]

These men know younger people don't give a crap about old games/old players and it makes them butthurt. This is why they go on twitter and make youtube videos telling you how great it was in the 80s and 90s.

[dubeta]

True

[Fudge]

We finna act like you ain't gonna be the same way about LeBron when you're their age? :oldlol:

[rlsmooth775]

We finna act like you ain't gonna be the same way about LeBron when you're their age? :oldlol:

I dont even believe a person should care about players they never saw live. Like the wilt and russell fanboys

[G0ATbe]

Gotta admit, OPs right. This "90s era was the strongest era ever" myth won't end until they all die irl.

[Marchesk]

I dont even believe a person should care about players they never saw live. Like the wilt and russell fanboys

Some people care about history. Anyway, "should" is a bad word when applied to watching sports. You "should" do whatever makes you happy as a fan.

[rlsmooth775]

Some people care about history. Anyway, "should" is a bad word when applied to watching sports. You "should" do whatever makes you happy as a fan.

Sports in only fun when its new

[Marchesk]

Sports in only fun when its new

Not everyone agrees, obviously. Some people appreciate great players and games from the past. There's guys you've never heard of, stories that are fascinating to read or hear, great games that you've never seen, etc.

[TheMan]

These men know younger people don't give a crap about old games/old players and it makes them butthurt. This is why they go on twitter and make youtube videos telling you how great it was in the 80s and 90s.
Have fun in 10-15 years when the crop of new fans will be shitting on Bran and Co. and calling this era weak and calling their era's best player way better than LBJ whether it's true or not :oldlol:

[CeltsGarlic]

To the OP
http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/award84.jpg
For the most bland observation ever.

oh probably he wont get this too

[rlsmooth775]

Have fun in 10-15 years when the crop of new fans will be shitting on Bran and Co. and calling this era weak and calling their era's best player way better than LBJ whether it's true or not :oldlol:

It doesn't bother me at all because thats how it goes :confusedshrug:. Why should they care about players they didn't see play. I barley remember Jordan when he was good i could care less about him old guys don't get it.

[warriorfan]

OP is more shook than Michael J Fox with a case of Hypothermia

[rlsmooth775]

Not everyone agrees, obviously. Some people appreciate great players and games from the past. There's guys you've never heard of, stories that are fascinating to read or hear, great games that you've never seen, etc.

I appreciate great players who are actually playing.

[nba_55]

:applause: :applause: let the past go, enjoy the present.

[Droid101]

Sports in only fun when its new
https://i.warosu.org/data/ck/img/0047/97/1379116895012.jpg

[LBJFTW]

These men know younger people don't give a crap about old games/old players and it makes them butthurt. This is why they go on twitter and make youtube videos telling you how great it was in the 80s and 90s.

Yes because clearly they can't just watch current basketball also while we are at a disadvantage of wondering what it was like. You are clearly shook and jealous that you didn't get to witness Jordan and other greats that are superior to today's players. Stay shook while the rest of us just accept it.

[TheMan]

It doesn't bother me at all because thats how it goes :confusedshrug:. Why should they care about players they didn't see play. I barley remember Jordan when he was good i could care less about him old guys don't get it.
:oldlol:
Then why are you always defending Bran? If you do that against fans of past players, we gon' pretend like you aren't gonna do that against future players? :coleman:

[nba_55]

Have fun in 10-15 years when the crop of new fans will be shitting on Bran and Co. and calling this era weak and calling their era's best player way better than LBJ whether it's true or not :oldlol:
I wont give a ****, especially after seeing all the miserable posters in here defending old players.

[warriorfan]

OP is more shook than Michael J Fox with a case of Hypothermia


http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[rlsmooth775]

:oldlol:
Then why are you always defending Bran? If you do that against fans of past players, we gon' pretend like you aren't gonna do that against future players? :coleman:

I mostly defend him against fanboys of current players or players he actually played against

[rlsmooth775]

Yes because clearly they can't just watch current basketball also while we are at a disadvantage of wondering what it was like. You are clearly shook and jealous that you didn't get to witness Jordan and other greats that are superior to today's players. Stay shook while the rest of us just accept it.

I don't care about looking back at popular culture events. This thread is about old guys who tweet post on facebook and make youtube videos about how they hate the current league.

[Poetry]

I don't care about looking back at popular culture events. This thread is about old guys who tweet post on facebook and make youtube videos about how they hate the current league.

Name ten of the greatest painters that ever lived.

Now try to name a painter from this era.

[LBJFTW]

I wont give a ****, especially after seeing all the miserable posters in here defending old players.

Why are you so shook about not having to have witnessed the GOAT play live. It still clearly bothers you that Bron will never measure up. Just do what I do and just accept it. Not everyone can be GOAT and if you weren't in the era to witness the GOAT, so be it.

[dubeta]

These Jordan stans are just embarrassing, never seen a more insecure fanbase ever

[Roundball_Rock]

Why are you so shook about not having to have witnessed the GOAT play live. It still clearly bothers you that Bron will never measure up. Just do what I do and just accept it. Not everyone can be GOAT and if you weren't in the era to witness the GOAT, so be it.

First, some of us did see him live (assuming you are speaking of Jordan, not Kareem). Second, why would anyone be shook that they did not see a particular player play live? Few people here saw prime KAJ and even less saw Wilt or Russell play. Is anyone shook over that? :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

These Jordan stans are just embarrassing, never seen a more insecure fanbase ever

look in the mirror for once in your life :oldlol:

[Poetry]

look in the mirror for once in your life :oldlol:

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_in_content_image/pqldsxjupuqvqptbzhes.png

[rlsmooth775]

Name ten of the greatest painters that ever lived.

Now try to name a painter from this era.

:biggums:

[AnaheimLakers24]

Op will die alone with his lebron poster

[AirBourne92]

2000's will be a hard decade to argue against.

it was the hardest defensive era and talent pool was loaded

the 90s was revolutionary in terms of athletic training, so all the players in 2000s were up to date in terms of being as fit and athletic as they could be.


the only thing that could make another era as competitive is bringing back the hand check while keeping the zones and roaming legalized, and then some sort of genetic mutation or sped up human evolution that creates more athletic players--or legalized steroids.


other than that, video evidence will always be easy to decide the winner

[Rose'sACL]

2000's will be a hard decade to argue against.

it was the hardest defensive era and talent pool was loaded

the 90s was revolutionary in terms of athletic training, so all the players in 2000s were up to date in terms of being as fit and athletic as they could be.


the only thing that could make another era as competitive is bringing back the hand check while keeping the zones and roaming legalized, and then some sort of genetic mutation or sped up human evolution that creates more athletic players--or legalized steroids.


other than that, video evidence will always be easy to decide the winner
hand checking with current rules will lead to all good defensive teams looking like 2004 pistons and best defensive team would hold teams to 70 points in a lot of games.
it is ridiculous for one player to dominate and win at the same time now. ISOs don't work as well because defensive schemes are getting more and more complicated and to counter that teams are looking for new things like not having only defensive specialists on the floor because you need spacing or you will not win in the current nba.

[Spurs m8]

These men know younger people don't give a crap about old games/old players and it makes them butthurt. This is why they go on twitter and make youtube videos telling you how great it was in the 80s and 90s.

Are you another insecure Lebron ******?

Go **** yourself ****

[Straight_Ballin]

Are you another insecure Lebron ******?

Go **** yourself ****

Pay no mind to these insecure bran stands. They are proponents of shitty lower quality basketball because that is all they know and they are shook by the fact that they are watching a soft era that doesn't consist of the GOAT Jordan.

[Showtime80']

80's basketball made a lot of people forget about the 60's and 70's. 2000's and beyond basketball has made a LOT of people MISS the 80's. That's the long and short of it

[STATUTORY]

I work at a sports bar and I see characters like that all the time

sloppy, overweight middle age white cornballs living vicariously through MJ with them air jordan kicks.

sits there knuckle deep in a tray of nachos and randomly chiming in on other customers convo about the game with some unwelcome comment about how they ain't like mike.

Inevitably I have to call them a taxi and they wander off into the night alone.

[sportjames23]

We finna act like you ain't gonna be the same way about LeBron when you're their age? :oldlol:


Dat ether doe. :cheers:

[Upgrayedd]

Anyone who doesn't appreciate the legends and the game before they started watching isn't really a true fan.

I remember when I started posting on here back on the ezboard forum and I grew up watching Jordan in the '90s and watching in the '00s and I was saying that I thought Dirk was better than Larry Bird and kblaze and a bunch of other posters called me out and told me to watch some old Bird videos. Thanks to youtube, I know how wrong I was.

I don't know how any true fan of any sport can consider themselves a true fan without having respect for the older players.

[coin24]

The Wilt stans are the worst, at least Jordan stans watched him play..

The complete lies these fools believe is hilarious:lol

[Showtime2001]

Looks to me like Bran stans can't accept the fact that Jordan is the GOAT and Bran is not. :yaohappy:

[funnystuff]

I dont even believe a person should care about players they never saw live. Like the wilt and russell fanboys
This is why cavsftw is strange as fk.

[ClipperRevival]

Just wait 15-20 years from now when a new star comes along and their fanbase will bash Bron for being overrated because he played in an older/weaker era. This is how things go.

But in the case of MJ, he truly is the GOAT and the resume speaks for itself. Even Lebron calls MJ the GOAT. The vast majority of people who played basketball also do. He came, he saw, he conquered and I am glad I was able to witness it all.

Deal with it. I know the truth hurts. MJ is the GOAT. It's not an opinion but almost accepted fact.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Name ten of the greatest painters that ever lived.

Now try to name a painter from this era.

1. No one cares about painters.

2. A league that's been around for 70 years =/= art form that started in pre-history.

Terrible post, if you're trying to make a point it was a very poor attempt.

[Spurs m8]

eh

[Spurs m8]

Just wait 15-20 years from now when a new star comes along and their fanbase will bash Bron for being overrated because he played in an older/weaker era. This is how things go.

But in the case of MJ, he truly is the GOAT and the resume speaks for itself. Even Lebron calls MJ the GOAT. The vast majority of people who played basketball also do. He came, he saw, he conquered and I am glad I was able to witness it all.

Deal with it. I know the truth hurts. MJ is the GOAT. It's not an opinion but almost accepted fact.

Its funny LeBron losers put effort into trying to dispute this.
Anyone who knows what they're talking about accepts Jordan.

I judge anyone trying to sell the LeBron case....they just straight up don't know basketball and were probably born after 1995.

Funny thing is they can't see it hahahah

[ClipperRevival]

Its funny LeBron losers put effort into trying to dispute this.
Anyone who knows what they're talking about accepts Jordan.

I judge anyone trying to sell the LeBron case....they just straight up don't know basketball and were probably born after 1995.

Funny thing is they can't see it hahahah

It's insecurity. These young, Bron fans don't want to accept the possibility that there was another player who was better than Bron. They can't fathom it because as we all know, Bron is pretty special himself. Probably a borderline top 10 all time great despite having turned 30. But there was a guy who did it better and accomplished more.

Does Bron have a chance to surpass MJ? Of course he does. Win a couple more regular season MVPs and win 3-4 more rings, then he can be in the MJ neighborhood. But that's a tall order given how he's already 30. But we'll have to see.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

LeBron fans really hate Jordan don't they?

[Dr.J4ever]

I'm in my 40s myself, and have learned to overcome the transition and evolution of the game.

I was in my early teens when that great 76er team pulverized it's way to the title in 1983. I watched every single game of that season, and watching one of the great teams in NBA history win a title over it's Laker nemesis and seeing Julius Erving, my idol, win his first NBA title is still one of the great sports experiences of my life.

For years I couldn't let go, and as the 80s turned into the 90s, I looked for writers who believed the 90s were a weak era, just to make me feel happy about my 76er days. But to make a long story short, I eventually learned to let go and appreciate the NBA today for what it is.

If you're unbiased and let go of your Jordan tainted or Wilt tainted glasses, you will see the NBA today for what it really is: the NBA is in as good a shape athletically, fundamentally, defensively, and offensively, and entertainment wise as it has ever been. Just my opinion, but of course Doc and company will always hold a special place in my heart.

[JT123]

OP is correct. It's pretty sad how all these Jordan fans just hate watch the game now days. All they do is talk shit about the current stars in a pathetically transparent attempt to keep Jordan's memory alive. First they hated on Kobe non stop, then Lebron surpassed Kobe so they made him their new target. It's like they have no idea how insecure they make themselves look. :lol
Jordan does not give 2 shits about you guys, or anyone for that matter. Get off his nuts already.

[ClipperRevival]

OP is correct. It's pretty sad how all these Jordan fans just hate watch the game now days. All they do is talk shit about the current stars in a pathetically transparent attempt to keep Jordan's memory alive. First they hated on Kobe non stop, then Lebron surpassed Kobe so they made him their new target. It's like they have no idea how insecure they make themselves look. :lol
Jordan does not give 2 shits about you guys, or anyone for that matter. Get off his nuts already.

It's not about MJ or Kobe or Lebron. It's about being objective. Most people easily accept the fact that MJ is the GOAT. There is a reason for that. And it's not because us older folks hate the game today or its players.

I love the game and always will. I love watching the game today just as I did when I watched MJ. But if you asked me one thing I could change about today's game, I would say that it is way too soft. No phyiscal contact is allowed. And if you played the game long enough, you know physicality is a part of the game. And when you take that away from the game, you somewhat cheapen it because you don't get to watch the full spectrum of the game. The rules today so heavily favor the athletic, wing player it's not even funny. There needs to be a better balance of freedom of movement and allowing some contact.

[rlsmooth775]

Just wait 15-20 years from now when a new star comes along and their fanbase will bash Bron for being overrated because he played in an older/weaker era. This is how things go.

But in the case of MJ, he truly is the GOAT and the resume speaks for itself. Even Lebron calls MJ the GOAT. The vast majority of people who played basketball also do. He came, he saw, he conquered and I am glad I was able to witness it all.

Deal with it. I know the truth hurts. MJ is the GOAT. It's not an opinion but almost accepted fact.

You guys completely miss the point of this thread. Its about fans of old eras who hate the current nba. Its mostly jordan fans from the 80s and 90s

[warriorfan]

It's not about MJ or Kobe or Lebron. It's about being objective. Most people easily accept the fact that MJ is the GOAT. There is a reason for that. And it's not because us older folks hate the game today or its players.

I love the game and always will. I love watching the game today just as I did when I watched MJ. But if you asked me one thing I could change about today's game, I would say that it is way too soft. No phyiscal contact is allowed. And if you played the game long enough, you know physicality is a part of the game. And when you take that away from the game, you somewhat cheapen it because you don't get to watch the full spectrum of the game. The rules today so heavily favor the athletic, wing player it's not even funny. There needs to be a better balance of freedom of movement and allowing some contact.


Good post.

[rlsmooth775]

This thread was made to expose jordan fanboys who are 30 and 40 years old. They have this insecurity and fear that something important to them will be forgotten and replaced. Im not just talking about Jordan but the the 80s and 90s era in general.These are the same people who say the nba sucks now, I would rather watch college ball.

[JT123]

It's not about MJ or Kobe or Lebron. It's about being objective. Most people easily accept the fact that MJ is the GOAT. There is a reason for that. And it's not because us older folks hate the game today or its players.

I love the game and always will. I love watching the game today just as I did when I watched MJ. But if you asked me one thing I could change about today's game, I would say that it is way too soft. No phyiscal contact is allowed. And if you played the game long enough, you know physicality is a part of the game. And when you take that away from the game, you somewhat cheapen it because you don't get to watch the full spectrum of the game. The rules today so heavily favor the athletic, wing player it's not even funny. There needs to be a better balance of freedom of movement and allowing some contact.
Yes, it's because the media has been beating that phrase into their head since the day they were old enough to understand sports. It's been almost 12 years since Jordan last played an NBA game, yet ESPN and other sports networks still promote him like crazy. Nike and Gatorade did a perfect job on selling the image of him as this flawless athlete. Any time a former athlete has dared to question Jordan's GOAT status, the media pundits are quick to dismiss them as "bitter" or uneducated. Young sports fans have observed this behavior their entire lives and adopted this same mindset. The acceptance in regards to MJ being the unquestioned greatest is merely an example of group think, aka people not being able to think for themselves.

[ClipperRevival]

Yes, it's because the media has been beating that phrase into their head since the day they were old enough to understand sports. It's been almost 12 years since Jordan last played an NBA game, yet ESPN and other sports networks still promote him like crazy. Nike and Gatorade did a perfect job on selling the image of him as this flawless athlete. Any time a former athlete has dared to question Jordan's GOAT status, the media pundits are quick to dismiss them as "bitter" or uneducated. Sports fans have observed this behavior and adopted it themselves. The acceptance in regards to MJ being the unquestioned greatest is merely an example of group think aka people not being able to think for themselves.

You ever consider the possibility that all this happens because he actually is the GOAT and there is no agenda behind it? That what people saw from him left no doubt of his greatness? It's not like MJ played way back in the days. This was 1985 - 1998 (not counting Wizard days). Every game he's played is on film. You can't really romanticize his accomplishments because it's all on tape and in black and white.

I don't understand why it bothers you so much that almost everyone accepts the notion that he was the GOAT. Why can't you just accept it for what it is? I can understand some fans might have agendas but I'm not one of them. In my objective opinion, he is the GOAT and the only other player who I think has a legit case as the GOAT is Jabbar and no one else. Their body of work is a level above the rest imo.

[warriorfan]

Yes, it's because the media has been beating that phrase into their head since the day they were old enough to understand sports. It's been almost 12 years since Jordan last played an NBA game, yet ESPN and other sports networks still promote him like crazy. Nike and Gatorade did a perfect job on selling the image of him as this flawless athlete. Any time a former athlete has dared to question Jordan's GOAT status, the media pundits are quick to dismiss them as "bitter" or uneducated. Young sports fans have observed this behavior their entire lives and adopted this same mindset. The acceptance in regards to MJ being the unquestioned greatest is merely an example of group think, aka people not being able to think for themselves.

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:


:oldlol: you sound like those paranoid schitzofrenic conspiracy theory guys who talk about the media controlling our minds and secret societies that rule the world :roll: :roll: :roll:


you don't know ball bro...keep on your meds homeslice you are getting a little loopy :roll:

[JT123]

You ever consider the possibility that all this happens because he actually is the GOAT and there is no agenda behind it? That what people saw from him left no doubt of his greatness? It's not like MJ played way back in the days. This was 1985 - 1998 (not counting Wizard days). Every game he's played is on film. You can't really romanticize his accomplishments because it's all on tape and in black and white.

I don't understand why it bothers you so much that almost everyone accepts the notion that he was the GOAT. Why can't you just accept it for what it is? I can understand some fans might have agendas but I'm not one of them. In my objective opinion, he is the GOAT and the only other player who I think has a legit case as the GOAT is Jabbar and no one else. Their body of work is a level above the rest imo.
Never said Jordan doesn't have a strong case. I'm merely pointing out the obvious, which is that the media has had a very strong influence on how most sports fans view him. I don't know why people can't admit that. No athlete in any other sport has remained this hyped 12 years after they retired. If you can't see that there is a clear agenda by the media to dismiss any opinion about other players possibly being better than Jordan, I don't know what to tell you.

[JT123]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:


:oldlol: you sound like those paranoid schitzofrenic conspiracy theory guys who talk about the media controlling our minds and secret societies that rule the world :roll: :roll: :roll:


you don't know ball bro...keep on your meds homeslice you are getting a little loopy :roll:
You are likely another robot who never watched Jordan play, yet are convinced he's the GOAT because it's been preached to you your entire life. :oldlol:

[G-train]

Yes, it's because the media has been beating that phrase into their head since the day they were old enough to understand sports.

Actually I heard players start to think it out aloud before the media did.

[ClipperRevival]

Never said Jordan doesn't have a strong case. I'm merely pointing out the obvious, which is that the media has had a very strong influence on how most sports fans view him. I don't know why people can't admit that. No athlete in any other sport has remained this hyped 12 years after they retired. If you can't see that there is a clear agenda by the media to dismiss any opinion about other players possibly being better than Jordan, I don't know what to tell you.

Are you a Kobe fan by any chance?

[sportjames23]

Are you a Kobe fan by any chance?


JT is definitely NOT a Kobe fan. He's a Bron stan.

Bron stans tend to have an equal hate of both Kobe and MJ.

[ClipperRevival]

JT is definitely NOT a Kobe fan. He's a Bron stan.

Bron stans tend to have an equal hate of both Kobe and MJ.

Lol. That explains it.

[joshwake]

I appreciate great players who are actually playing.
And when they stop playing you will no longer appreciate them?

:biggums:

[JT123]

Are you a Kobe fan by any chance?
Why would you think I was a Kobe fan? :lol
Let me ask you this. If Jordan had come into the league 10 years earlier and hit his prime in the 80's do you seriously think most fans would think of him as the unquestioned GOAT? Cause let's be real here, Jordan in the 80's wins 2 or 3 rings at the most. Not that there is anything wrong with that, seeing as there were so many great teams.
I know that Jordan has as good of a case for GOAT as anyone, but honestly his 6/6 is mostly about being in the perfect place at the perfect time.

[dubeta]

Why would you think I was a Kobe fan? :lol
Let me ask you this. If Jordan had come into the league 10 years earlier and hit his prime in the 80's do you seriously think most fans would think of him as the unquestioned GOAT? Cause let's be real here, Jordan in the 80's wins 2 or 3 rings at the most. Not that there is anything wrong with that, seeing as there were so many great teams.
I know that Jordan has as good of a case for GOAT as anyone, but honestly his 6/6 is mostly about being in the perfect place at the perfect time.

#ether

[Soundwave]

Why would you think I was a Kobe fan? :lol
Let me ask you this. If Jordan had come into the league 10 years earlier and hit his prime in the 80's do you seriously think most fans would think of him as the unquestioned GOAT? Cause let's be real here, Jordan in the 80's wins 2 or 3 rings at the most. Not that there is anything wrong with that, seeing as there were so many great teams.
I know that Jordan has as good of a case for GOAT as anyone, but honestly his 6/6 is mostly about being in the perfect place at the perfect time.

If he had been drafted by Portland (who took freaking Sam Bowie instead), he'd probably start winning titles by the late 80s, not the Bad Boy Pistons and continue on through the 90s, maybe hitting 8 or more.

As for the 14-year-olds whining about this ... get over yourself.

When I was 14 I heard the same sh*t from older basketball fans who told me Magic and Bird were better than Jordan and Jordan would never be as good as Bird/Magic because a scoring champion can't win a championship, too flashy, dunks too much, doesn't play a team game, etc. etc. etc.

I grew up next to an rabid Italian family that loved the Celtics and worshipped Larry Bird. So I heard it pretty much nonstop.

They shut up after the 4th championship for good and acknowledged Jordan was "probably" the best if he could top 5.

So stop with the pissy/whiny victim complex. When LeBron/Durant/etc. lead their teams to 6+ then you can crow all you want from the roof tops, until that happens, sit down and shut up already. No one cares that you think Taylor Swift is better than the Beatles or Calladoooty 2938438 is the best game evar or Avengers is the better than the Godfather.

If there's someone better than Jordan it will be blatantly obvious, and they will lead their team to 6+ titles and dominate the league in a similar/better fashion for a longer duration. They will quiet all their critics with their play on the court, like Jordan did.

[Spurs m8]

In the end...

http://www.careersprout.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/michaeljordantrophies.jpg

[Asukal]

OP is correct. It's pretty sad how all these Jordan fans just hate watch the game now days. All they do is talk shit about the current stars in a pathetically transparent attempt to keep Jordan's memory alive. First they hated on Kobe non stop, then Lebron surpassed Kobe so they made him their new target. It's like they have no idea how insecure they make themselves look. :lol
Jordan does not give 2 shits about you guys, or anyone for that matter. Get off his nuts already.

If idiots like you stop crowning current players like bran as the GOAT then you wouldn't have to deal with the grownups educating your sorry ass. :no:

You bring it upon yourself then complain because you have zero arguments. Media? Yeah right, media your face. :whatever: :kobe:

[ClipperRevival]

If he had been drafted by Portland (who took freaking Sam Bowie instead), he'd probably start winning titles by the late 80s, not the Bad Boy Pistons and continue on through the 90s, maybe hitting 8 or more.

As for the 14-year-olds whining about this ... get over yourself.

When I was 14 I heard the same sh*t from older basketball fans who told me Magic and Bird were better than Jordan and Jordan would never be as good as Bird/Magic because a scoring champion can't win a championship, too flashy, dunks too much, doesn't play a team game, etc. etc. etc.

I grew up next to an rabid Italian family that loved the Celtics and worshipped Larry Bird. So I heard it pretty much nonstop.

They shut up after the 4th championship for good and acknowledged Jordan was "probably" the best if he could top 5.

So stop with the pissy/whiny victim complex. When LeBron/Durant/etc. lead their teams to 6+ then you can crow all you want from the roof tops, until that happens, sit down and shut up already. No one cares that you think Taylor Swift is better than the Beatles or Calladoooty 2938438 is the best game evar or Avengers is the better than the Godfather.

If there's someone better than Jordan it will be blatantly obvious, and they will lead their team to 6+ titles and dominate the league in a similar/better fashion for a longer duration. They will quiet all their critics with their play on the court, like Jordan did.

Before MJ won a ring, he was looked upon as a great individual talent who couldn't win. And Magic and Bird were held to a higher standard because their teams won rings. But once MJ busted open that door and started winning rings in dominant fashion, it shut everyone up. If MJ had just his first 3 peat to his resume, his argument as GOAT is weaker. But for the guy to retire, come back two years later and win another 3 peat, it's hard to argue against that. Especially given the fact that it was done in the modern era and he was at the age when most wing players start to decline (32 -34). The guy was never pushed to a game 7 in the finals.

[ClipperRevival]

In the end...

http://www.careersprout.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/michaeljordantrophies.jpg

Yeah, they mad.

[ClipperRevival]

If he had been drafted by Portland (who took freaking Sam Bowie instead), he'd probably start winning titles by the late 80s, not the Bad Boy Pistons and continue on through the 90s, maybe hitting 8 or more.

As for the 14-year-olds whining about this ... get over yourself.

When I was 14 I heard the same sh*t from older basketball fans who told me Magic and Bird were better than Jordan and Jordan would never be as good as Bird/Magic because a scoring champion can't win a championship, too flashy, dunks too much, doesn't play a team game, etc. etc. etc.

I grew up next to an rabid Italian family that loved the Celtics and worshipped Larry Bird. So I heard it pretty much nonstop.

They shut up after the 4th championship for good and acknowledged Jordan was "probably" the best if he could top 5.

So stop with the pissy/whiny victim complex. When LeBron/Durant/etc. lead their teams to 6+ then you can crow all you want from the roof tops, until that happens, sit down and shut up already. No one cares that you think Taylor Swift is better than the Beatles or Calladoooty 2938438 is the best game evar or Avengers is the better than the Godfather.

If there's someone better than Jordan it will be blatantly obvious, and they will lead their team to 6+ titles and dominate the league in a similar/better fashion for a longer duration. They will quiet all their critics with their play on the court, like Jordan did.

Your last sentence is so true. There is a reason why the vast majority of people who saw MJ play are so convinced that he is the GOAT. Because his play and accomplishments spoke for themselves. If there is a guy who is truly as great or greater than MJ, the world will just know it. There are levels to greatness and people will recognize it.

[Spurs m8]

Good posts

[rlsmooth775]

Some guys in this thread are butthurt it's pretty funny.

[rlsmooth775]

How many times can people talk about old games and retired players. It's over it will never happen again but you Negroes can't let go. You will sit at your computer and write silly nostalgic posts about games you watched a billion times. The bad boy pistons, Reggie miller, the 1998 nba finals.

[Quickening]

People enjoy stanning old time greats because there is no risk. There career is already played out. It's the worse type of glory supporting to become an mj stan long after his retired just so you can feel like a winner. At least people who stan players who are actually playing know there's a chance they fail.

It's the equivalent of being dumped by a girl, building a shrine to her, and never looking at other girls again because there's a chance you get hurt. MJ stans in a nutshell.

[warriorfan]

In the end...

http://www.careersprout.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/michaeljordantrophies.jpg


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[jstern]

As someone who rooted against Jordan when he played, my interest in him is not as a basketball player, but his mind. And from the time he retired until he I started coming to ISH, I didn't really associate him much with basketball, but his mind.

Without going into much detail, it's an extremely focused mind that's just able to make extremely quick, focused decisions.

Silly example, but I was playing Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze for the Wii U. And like many other games, there comes times where you must make a correct decision in 1/60th of a second, or lose, and just mess up.

With Jordan it would be as if he would have had all the possibilities pre planned out in his subconscious, and with an extreme focus he would reach the one correct decision in that 1/60th of a second, without habit and muscle memory interfering with the all of a sudden situation.

I don't know any other human like that, except maybe somethings that I've seen from Anderson Silva. But as someone who views Jordan's mind as something out of this world, it's a bit annoying when 15 year olds and younger see Jordan as just another typical super star that just happened to get lucky and win some rings. Because his mind is not that of another human.

I must say though, I once saw Lebron make this really aware, quick decision once, while everybody else was sleeping. Though he has made a lot of bad split seconds decisions also.

That steal by Bird to beat the Piston, that intense awareness. I didn't see him when he played, but his mind really impresses me.

[kamil]

We finna act like you ain't gonna be the same way about LeBron when you're their age? :oldlol:

'finna'? Are you a highschool dropout?

[Asukal]

'finna'? Are you a highschool dropout?

Have you never seen a "typo"? What are you some kind of caveman? :confusedshrug:

[hahaitme]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

lmao the rookie forgot to swap accounts before propping his own post :roll:

[LeBird]

Have fun in 10-15 years when the crop of new fans will be shitting on Bran and Co. and calling this era weak and calling their era's best player way better than LBJ whether it's true or not :oldlol:

It's gonna be worse for you; when fans clown Jordan the same way they do to Wilt. You're gonna have to go all jlauber; copy-pasting essays and using multiple aliases. :lol

[LeBird]

I'm in my 40s myself, and have learned to overcome the transition and evolution of the game.

I was in my early teens when that great 76er team pulverized it's way to the title in 1983. I watched every single game of that season, and watching one of the great teams in NBA history win a title over it's Laker nemesis and seeing Julius Erving, my idol, win his first NBA title is still one of the great sports experiences of my life.

For years I couldn't let go, and as the 80s turned into the 90s, I looked for writers who believed the 90s were a weak era, just to make me feel happy about my 76er days. But to make a long story short, I eventually learned to let go and appreciate the NBA today for what it is.

If you're unbiased and let go of your Jordan tainted or Wilt tainted glasses, you will see the NBA today for what it really is: the NBA is in as good a shape athletically, fundamentally, defensively, and offensively, and entertainment wise as it has ever been. Just my opinion, but of course Doc and company will always hold a special place in my heart.

Well said :cheers:

You gotta let that childish shit go and appreciate the now. You could be missing greatness, just to be petty.

[f0und]

theres a difference between being a fanboy, and being a fan that cant stand to sit by and let current players' fanboys *hit all over history. rewriting, spinning, and just saying things that are flat out wrong. do you really think people should just sit around and let kobe/bron/etc. stans indoctrine other and new bball fans to their ret*rded uninformed views of basketball and its history? think about that for a second. its pretty much a fact that brown stains and kobe kids are some of the worst trollish fanboys around. now imagine that group given free reign to spread across the internet and spout nothing but BS without any realists stepping in to call them out. itd be terrible. thats where realists, or what you would call jordan stans, come in.

[Height Freak]

I don't care about looking back at popular culture events. This thread is about old guys who tweet post on facebook and make youtube videos about how they hate the current league.

Well if that is the case, ok. It's not Black and White you know.

Not every "old" guy hates the current league, some of them actually truly love the game and enjoy every aspect and time period of it, including the current league.

In the same way...not every "young" guy hates the past of the game and past players like MJ, Magic, Wilt, etc.


It's just a matter of taste, I don't think being a fanboy is something to be seen as negative. Current "young" people (20s) are still fanboys of what they use to love as kids (perhaps a disney character, or fruit loops or hannah montana). Something similar happens with our sports heroes, no need to point out fingers if a person likes someone from the past.

[Straight_Ballin]

How much clarity is needed on this subject? If you've watched both MJ and Bron play extensively as I have, you would know that Jordan is GOAT and Bron is not. I don't care if you've never seen MJ live, that doesn't mean he isn't GOAT just because all you've seen is Bron. The icing on the cake is when some bran stan from Europe tries to tell me what Bron is and isn't, when I've watched him play live numerous seasons and have seen him play more even than I have Jordan....yet this stan is going to tell me how it is? :lol :lol :lol

So shook.

[rlsmooth775]

Well if that is the case, ok. It's not Black and White you know.

Not every "old" guy hates the current league, some of them actually truly love the game and enjoy every aspect and time period of it, including the current league.

In the same way...not every "young" guy hates the past of the game and past players like MJ, Magic, Wilt, etc.


It's just a matter of taste, I don't think being a fanboy is something to be seen as negative. Current "young" people (20s) are still fanboys of what they use to love as kids (perhaps a disney character, or fruit loops or hannah montana). Something similar happens with our sports heroes, no need to point out fingers if a person likes someone from the past.

Im talking about those specific groups

[Nevaeh]

People enjoy stanning old time greats because there is no risk. There career is already played out. It's the worse type of glory supporting to become an mj stan long after his retired just so you can feel like a winner. At least people who stan players who are actually playing know there's a chance they fail.

It's the equivalent of being dumped by a girl, building a shrine to her, and never looking at other girls again because there's a chance you get hurt. MJ stans in a nutshell.


Except you left out the part about how most of the guys who were "stanning" older players back in the day actually were watching their careers play out live, just like the fans of today still do.

I remember my peers back in '95 ( ages 21-27 ish) who were saying that Jordan didn't look the same, because he had slowed down and relied on his jumper much more. We had our doubts that the Bulls would win again, but we had faith, especially when the 96 season rolled around.

Hell, some guys still have some of those games on vhs tapes from when the games actually happened live, myself included. Are you gonna bring up any of Lebrons accomplishments years from now when someone tries to downplay them? If the answer is yes, then that makes you a straight hypocrite, considering you're on a forum supporting a player who's played almost 11 seasons already.

[Kvnzhangyay]

I'm in my 40s myself, and have learned to overcome the transition and evolution of the game.

I was in my early teens when that great 76er team pulverized it's way to the title in 1983. I watched every single game of that season, and watching one of the great teams in NBA history win a title over it's Laker nemesis and seeing Julius Erving, my idol, win his first NBA title is still one of the great sports experiences of my life.

For years I couldn't let go, and as the 80s turned into the 90s, I looked for writers who believed the 90s were a weak era, just to make me feel happy about my 76er days. But to make a long story short, I eventually learned to let go and appreciate the NBA today for what it is.

If you're unbiased and let go of your Jordan tainted or Wilt tainted glasses, you will see the NBA today for what it really is: the NBA is in as good a shape athletically, fundamentally, defensively, and offensively, and entertainment wise as it has ever been. Just my opinion, but of course Doc and company will always hold a special place in my heart.

Well said

[No_Look604]

OP you ungrateful turd. This the worst post of ISH history and I'm now contemplating never returning to the site (even to browse) because of you.

[ButterFace]

These men know younger people don't give a crap about old games/old players and it makes them butthurt. This is why they go on twitter and make youtube videos telling you how great it was in the 80s and 90s.

So you are salty that you didn't get to see Jordan and you don't want to hear about it. That's nice.

[sdot_thadon]

It's a cycle that repeats each era, new great shows up, old fans attack the new guys. When Mj was on his way up he wasn't universally accepted as this great. Guys like Wilt and Oscar used to bristle at the mention of him being like them lol. So imagine their fans, that said nothing wrong with being a fan or thinking he's great even to the extent of feeling he's the greatest ever because it's feasible. It's terrible however, for guys of this certain age to go as far overboard as some of them do and to scoff at the notion that anybody can be in the company of Mj as a player. Imo he is the greatest player ever overall, all things considered. He is not the greatest at every single aspect of the game, that's sick lol.

[rlsmooth775]

So you are salty that you didn't get to see Jordan and you don't want to hear about it. That's nice.

You guys don't get people like me. Some guys can watch the same episode and movie over and over again. I can't do that it's the same with sports I like watching new games and talking about relevant players.

[ButterFace]

You guys don't get people like me. Some guys can watch the same episode and movie over and over again. I can't do that it's the same with sports I like watching new games and talking about relevant players.

And that will likely change with age. Generation after generation young people convince themselves they will always stay cool and listen to music that is big with the young generation. But then, they get to a point where they start looking at changes in music and think "Music is not what it used to be" and start listening to the old stuff that they liked. Sports is somewhat easier to continue to follow as you age, but your perspective on it is still likely to change, and you are likely to still be a fan of players from your younger years.

[GimmeThat]

I suppose similar to the triple crown, on years where a player wins the mvp/scoring title/all nba 1st/all defensive etc, it can be considered the Michael Jordan award.

Edit- or just the mvp/scoring title/asg mvp