Most Overly Nostalgic Posts On ISH

[RoundMoundOfReb]

As we all know there are a bunch of senile old men who post on ISH and sometimes they post the most ridiculous things. This thread is dedicated to an appreciation of these posts:

Re: John Starks in today's NBA:


Agreed, and not just playstyle - he would get modern training and treatment too, plus very beneficial to guards current rules.

A more defensive minded Westbrook? A bit better than Harden IMO, or more scoring oriented T. Allen.


James Harden with better defense.

Horace Grant would be a top 10 player in today's league


Sure, back in the 90's he could be someone contained with all the flagrant fouls on him not being called, but in today's game where every touch foul sends you to the line, I don't see any scenario where Grant is not a top 10 player. The guy had so many moves in his arsenal, but was mainly used to defend and rebound, which he did and is a 3 peat champion.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWVPhBnyZ5s

Pistol Pete Maravich in Today's League


Averaged 25/5.5/4.5 in his first seven years with peak averages of 31/5.5/5 all without a three point line and lord knows he had 3 point range. Check out this 68 point game vs. the Knicks in 77 . Could have been 70+ with a 3 point line, and the impressive thing is he did it against Walt Frazier & Earl the Pearl.

I think Pistol would be a beast running the break with the Gerald Green's and Zach Lavine's of the world and bombing the three ball. He had a fantastic playmaking ability in the open court and today's game would treat him a lot better than his time.

Who knows if he could buy in to a team game and lead a team deep in the playoffs but just imagine the highlights and the boxscores. I could see him putting up 35/7/5 if a team was built around him.


Players better than Dwyane Wade:


Barry
Havlicek
Erving
Frazier
Reed
Cowens

I did say give or take a few. That's five including Kareem. I didn't even include MVPs Wes Unseld, Gervin, Hayes and McAdoo.

50s
Mikan
Cousy

60s
Russell
Wilt
Pettit
Baylor
West
O

80s
Magic
Bird
Moses
Zeke

90s
Jordan
Hakeem
Malone
Barkley
Robinson
Stockton
Pippen
Drexler

Than you have players on the fence like Schayes, Arizin, Unseld, Hayes, McAdoo, Gervin, McHale, Ewing, Payton, Kidd, Nash.

[SugarHill]

that time 3ball said Pippen was better than Durant and then went to a different thread and claimed Jordan had the least help of anyone who won multiple titles as the best player

[Roundball_Rock]

that time 3ball said Pippen was better than Durant and then went to a different thread and claimed Jordan had the least help of anyone who won multiple titles as the best player

:roll: Does anyone have a link to those threads?

[J Shuttlesworth]

:roll: Does anyone have a link to those threads?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10953762&postcount=6

[Fire Colangelo]

L. Kizzle also said 06 Shaq > 06 Wade.

I don't think he's over nostalgic, but he dislikes Wade with a passion lol...

[Milbuck]

SHAQisGOAT when he refused to admit that Lavine's first 2 dunks of the dunk contest were more impressive on a technical level than anything MJ, Nique, etc ever did. Dude got pissed off and went on random tangents talking about how they were better players, would dunk on Lavine in games, etc.

[SugarHill]

L. Kizzle also said 06 Shaq > 06 Wade.

I don't think he's over nostalgic, but he dislikes Wade with a passion lol...
Kizzle is nostalgic like a hurricane is a wind

[RoundMoundOfReb]

SHAQisGOAT when he refused to admit that Lavine's first 2 dunks of the dunk contest were more impressive on a technical level than anything MJ, Nique, etc ever did. Dude got pissed off and went on random tangents talking about how they were better players, would dunk on Lavine in games, etc.
Yup. A lot of these old "objective" posters are really just old era stans. Only thing is the players they stan are retired and weren't necessarily watched by everyone on here so they get away with it more often than not.

You got these morons making threads like this in 2009:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132810

:oldlol:

[Heavincent]

I remember someone saying Steph Curry would be a slightly better version of his dad if he played in the 90's.

[Heavincent]

Steph Curry in the 90s = smaller version of Dell Curry with better play making.



you have guys like James Harden living at the free throw line because all he does is barge his way into the lane thanks to the lax perimeter rules. Same with Steph Curry AKA midget Reggie Miller. These guys would've never sniffed the top 15 scoring leaders list back then.

LMAO at Curry being "midget Reggie Miller" What a retard :roll:

[chazzy]

LMAO at Curry being "midget Reggie Miller" What a retard :roll:
He's also used Kobe's stats pre-2000 vs post-2000 to show how much better 90s defense was :oldlol:

[Straight_Ballin]

Yawn.....someone take care of my light work and post all the stupid shit these generation Z kids say.

Oh wait...never mind....it would take up the whole site.

[Milbuck]

Yup. A lot of these old "objective" posters are really just old era stans. Only thing is the players they stan are retired and weren't necessarily watched by everyone on here so they get away with it more often than not.

You got these morons making threads like this in 2009:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132810

:oldlol:Yup. There are some good old era fan posters out there like Bizil, Kuniva most of the time, etc but the majority of them have the same flaws, are just as agenda driven as any other generation's fans. My favorite is when the good ones call out the retarded ones....

....Exhibit A:

Yawn.....someone take care of my light work and post all the stupid shit these generation Z kids say.

Oh wait...never mind....it would take up the whole site.

Don't listen to that idiot. I grew up watching the Bulls, and enjoy basketball today. The game never leaves a true die hard.

Hell, guys who actually played in that era, Charles, Shaq, and Kenny for example, have been quoted saying they're "privileged" to watch some of the superstars today.
:oldlol:

[Fire Colangelo]

Kizzle is nostalgic like a hurricane is a wind

Meh, he's not as bad as some others imo so I never really took notice :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10953762&postcount=6

:oldlol: Also it is funny how Durant was being portrayed by him as a better leader than Pippen.


SHAQisGOAT when he refused to admit that Lavine's first 2 dunks of the dunk contest were more impressive on a technical level than anything MJ, Nique, etc ever did. Dude got pissed off and went on random tangents talking about how they were better players, would dunk on Lavine in games, etc.

:lol That is his MO. He gets mad, goes on random tangents.


Yup. A lot of these old "objective" posters are really just old era stans. Only thing is the players they stan are retired and weren't necessarily watched by everyone on here so they get away with it more often than not.

True. That is why fighting mythology is important. So those myths are not bought by the younger generation here.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7TnbhJr8iY

If that guy was a 26-12 player just last season...then Baylor would probably be a 35-20 guy in today's NBA.

Elgin Baylor 35-20 in today's NBA folks.

[LAZERUSS]

Elgin Baylor 35-20 in today's NBA folks.

I find it fascinating that you are one of the posters here who constantly puts up the 10 second Cousy gif, and portrays as if that was Cousy, and his era, at their best.

So, why the double-standard, when I post a youtube video which has a 6-7 3/4 Kevin Love stumbling around, and failing to make a wide-open dunk?

The same 6-7 3/4 Love who ran away with the rpg title a few years ago (and in only 35.8 mpg)...and who put up a 26-12 season just LAST year.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[dubeta]

I find it fascinating that you are one of the posters here who constantly puts up the 10 second Cousy gif, and portrays as if that was Cousy, and his era, at their best.

So, why the double-standard, when I post a youtube video which has a 6-7 3/4 Kevin Love stumbling around, and failing to make a wide-open dunk?

The same 6-7 3/4 Love who ran away with the rpg title a few years ago (and in only 35.8 mpg)...and who put up a 26-12 season just LAST year.

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Love isn't even a top 10 PF in the league, poor example. Those rebounds were fully stat padded


Having said that, he's still a better overall player than Wilt

[Kvnzhangyay]

I find it fascinating that you are one of the posters here who constantly puts up the 10 second Cousy gif, and portrays as if that was Cousy, and his era, at their best.

So, why the double-standard, when I post a youtube video which has a 6-7 3/4 Kevin Love stumbling around, and failing to make a wide-open dunk?

The same 6-7 3/4 Love who ran away with the rpg title a few years ago (and in only 35.8 mpg)...and who put up a 26-12 season just LAST year.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Because 35-20, really?? :facepalm

[gts]

Yawn.....someone take care of my light work and post all the stupid shit these generation Z kids say.

Oh wait...never mind....it would take up the whole site.

Here's a link (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2)

[Straight_Ballin]

Here's a link (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2)

http://th08.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/135/d/9/oh_gif_kid_by_magnasicparvis-d4zugsk.jpg

[SugarHill]

I find it fascinating that you are one of the posters here who constantly puts up the 10 second Cousy gif, and portrays as if that was Cousy, and his era, at their best.

So, why the double-standard, when I post a youtube video which has a 6-7 3/4 Kevin Love stumbling around, and failing to make a wide-open dunk?

The same 6-7 3/4 Love who ran away with the rpg title a few years ago (and in only 35.8 mpg)...and who put up a 26-12 season just LAST year.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

35-20
35-20
35-20
35-20
35-20


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[ArbitraryWater]

SHAQisGOAT when he refused to admit that Lavine's first 2 dunks of the dunk contest were more impressive on a technical level than anything MJ, Nique, etc ever did. Dude got pissed off and went on random tangents talking about how they were better players, would dunk on Lavine in games, etc.

I think that was Laz/CavsFTW, too.. CavsFTW ain't even old, lmao.

[CavaliersFTW]

"overly nostalgic" code for OP is insecure as **** holy shit. Let fans be fans man :oldlol:

[G-train]

scanning thru this thread and I realized these old guys don't need to spend any pension on rent

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Jordan was an off-ball player whose M.O. was to produce at a GOAT rate without diminishing his teammates production in any way.. Jordan would win 75 games with [OKC Team without Durant], maybe 80... realtalk.. :confusedshrug:

:oldlol:

[RightToCensor]

Quad YMCA Season is as overrated as Wilt's 100 point game.

Only like 3 posters currently on ISH was there for the original thread.

[poido123]

scanning thru this thread and I realized these old guys don't need to spend any pension on rent



Youngblood gonna youngblood


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[Harison]

OP, do you have an original thread with my post? Curious whats the context.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

OP, do you have an original thread with my post? Curious whats the context.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334398

[Harison]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334398
Thanks :cheers:

I'll be man enough to admit I was wrong, especially with the recent breakthrough of Harden and Westbrook.

Nonetheless context remains, cant just put a player from the past in today's NBA without considering all the changes in rules, training and medicine. Another point a lot of fans ignore, good defensive player with a bit lesser scoring can still be as good (or better) than one-sided player with superior scoring. For example, I would take Pippen over Haren, does that make me "Overly Nostalgic"? If so, fine by me :pimp:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Thanks :cheers:

I'll be man enough to admit I was wrong, especially with the recent breakthrough of Harden and Westbrook.

Nonetheless context remains, cant just put a player from the past in today's NBA without considering all the changes in rules, training and medicine. Another point a lot of fans ignore, good defensive player with a bit lesser scoring can still be as good (or better) than one-sided player with superior scoring. For example, I would take Pippen over Haren, does that make me "Overly Nostalgic"? If so, fine by me :pimp:

Pippen is several orders better than John Starks was. It's not even close. Plus Pippen plays a style that would translate extremely well to this small-ball pick and roll era.

[ILLsmak]

Thanks :cheers:

I'll be man enough to admit I was wrong, especially with the recent breakthrough of Harden and Westbrook.

Nonetheless context remains, cant just put a player from the past in today's NBA without considering all the changes in rules, training and medicine. Another point a lot of fans ignore, good defensive player with a bit lesser scoring can still be as good (or better) than one-sided player with superior scoring. For example, I would take Pippen over Haren, does that make me "Overly Nostalgic"? If so, fine by me :pimp:

I think of Starks like JR Smith with a bit better IQ/D. He's def not someone I am gonna use as an example of a player who would be amazing now.

-Smak

[FPJ]

"overly nostalgic" code for OP is insecure as **** holy shit. Let fans be fans man :oldlol:

If you wanna be stupid without consequence get a blog. People have the right to make fun of stupid people on a public forum.

[Harison]

Pippen is several orders better than John Starks was. It's not even close. Plus Pippen plays a style that would translate extremely well to this small-ball pick and roll era.
Several things wrong here. I already admitted I was wrong with Harden comparison, yet you still bring it up while conveniently ignoring Harden now is better than he was when my post was made. Hence new "nostalgic" comparison.

Lets put into perspective:

Harden '13-14: 24.4/6.1/4.7 @ 61 TS%
Prime Sparks: ~20/6/4 @ 55 TS% + solid defense. Stats would probably be better today, not by much but still.

My "dinosaur" logic suggests, if Sparks saves his team from 5 points on D more than Haren does, prime Sparks impact today would be comparable to Haren '13-14.

[poido123]

Several things wrong here. I already admitted I was wrong with Harden comparison, yet you still bring it up while conveniently ignoring Harden now is better than he was when my post was made. Hence new "nostalgic" comparison.

Lets put into perspective:

Harden '13-14: 24.4/6.1/4.7 @ 61 TS%
Prime Sparks: ~20/6/4 @ 55 TS% + solid defense.

My "dinosaur" logic suggests, if Sparks saves his team from 5 points on D more than Haren does, prime Sparks impact today would be comparable to Haren '13-14.



It's prime Starks doe.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Several things wrong here. I already admitted I was wrong with Harden comparison, yet you still bring it up while conveniently ignoring Harden now is better than he was when my post was made. Hence new "nostalgic" comparison.

Lets put into perspective:

Harden '13-14: 24.4/6.1/4.7 @ 61 TS%
Prime Sparks: ~20/6/4 @ 55 TS% + solid defense. Stats would probably be better today, not by much but still.

My "dinosaur" logic suggests, if Sparks saves his team from 5 points on D more than Haren does, prime Sparks impact today would be comparable to Haren '13-14.
absurd post and logic. Harden wasn't that much worse last year..slightly but not significantly. Starks put up 19/6/3 on much worse percentages and was NEVER a guy who could carry a team like Harden was/is.

I could literally use the same logic you just used (ie post raw numbers and say he's plus 5 on defense) to say Starks would be as good as current LeBron :oldlol: or that Serge Ibaka is as good as prime Dirk Nowitzki that's how absurd your argument is/was. Raw numbers are largely irrelevant.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

And Starks had just ONE year of rhat level of production. He was generally a low teens scorer.


And let's not forget you said he would be "a bite better than Harden" BETTER than last years harden....not even equal to lmfao

[Harison]

absurd post and logic. Harden wasn't that much worse last year..slightly but not significantly. Starks put up 19/6/3 on much worse percentages and was NEVER a guy who could carry a team like Harden was/is.

I could literally use the same logic you just used (ie post raw numbers and say he's plus 5 on defense) to say Starks would be as good as current LeBron :oldlol: or that Serge Ibaka is as good as prime Dirk Nowitzki that's how absurd your argument is/was. Raw numbers are largely irrelevant.
No wonder you are in red and make ridiculous posts, you cant process even the simplified for you logic. Just because you dont value defense, doesnt mean it stops being half of the game. There are many variables to consider, but since you cant grasp even the basics, what to speak of context and the bigger picture.

[Ariza4three]

No wonder you are in red and make ridiculous posts, you cant process even the simplified for you logic. Just because you dont value defense, doesnt mean it stops being half of the game. There are many variables to consider, but since you cant grasp even the basics, what to speak of context and the bigger picture.
Just stop. Senile old man.

[SHAQisGOAT]

SHAQisGOAT when he refused to admit that Lavine's first 2 dunks of the dunk contest were more impressive on a technical level than anything MJ, Nique, etc ever did. Dude got pissed off and went on random tangents talking about how they were better players, would dunk on Lavine in games, etc.

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[RoundMoundOfReb]

No wonder you are in red and make ridiculous posts, you cant process even the simplified for you logic. Just because you dont value defense, doesnt mean it stops being half of the game. There are many variables to consider, but since you cant grasp even the basics, what to speak of context and the bigger picture.

Way to address the points I made instead of making personal attacks. Back to the home for you, gramps.

[Stringer Bell]

Horace Grant top 10? :oldlol: :oldlol:

He was a solid player, nothing more.

[Fire Colangelo]

No wonder you are in red and make ridiculous posts, you cant process even the simplified for you logic. Just because you dont value defense, doesnt mean it stops being half of the game. There are many variables to consider, but since you cant grasp even the basics, what to speak of context and the bigger picture.

Like you said, there are many variables out there like Harden's ability to close out games, or his ability to get to the rim at will and put the opposing team in foul trouble, etc.

The difference between Harden and Starks is rather big... the name of the game is to put the ball in the hoop. It's why elite offensive players (Carmelo) are valued more than elite defensive players (Tony Allen/Trevor Ariza/etc).

[Harison]

Like you said, there are many variables out there like Harden's ability to close out games, or his ability to get to the rim at will and put the opposing team in foul trouble, etc.

The difference between Harden and Starks is rather big... the name of the game is to put the ball in the hoop. It's why elite offensive players (Carmelo) are valued more than elite defensive players (Tony Allen/Trevor Ariza/etc).
All these things matter (and more), but it seems concept of defense being half of the game is lost again.

"The name of the game is to put the ball in the hoop" - sorry but no, the name of the game is to WIN the game, regardless how you do it. Some dominated the D while having bellow average offense (Pistons '04), some dominated O while still had solid D (Showtime Lakers).

When was the last time elite offensive team won with bad defense? Nash teams didnt go anywhere, Dirk couldnt win either till he got DPOY anchor, while Garnett instantly won it all as soon as he got a good team. We have a saying "defense wins championships" for a reason, even if it escapes a lot of fans. Why? Because even elite scorers have an off nights, but defense can always be there, therefore elite D with average O usually outlasts elite O teams with no D in series.

Why elite offensive players are valued more than elite defensive players is another topic, but I'll give few ideas. One reason - usually wings O matter more than wings D (its reverse for bigs). Another reason - fans in general like scoring more than defense, hence scorers will automatically get paid n times more than defenders.

If fans would be in charge of teams, most would build a la Nash Suns - beautiful offensive game. I personally would start with DPOY anchors, scorers are easy to come by.