Black people have gone backwards since integrations

[rlsmooth775]

They didn't listen to Malcolm X and Booker t Washington. Black people own less businesses in 2015 than they did when they were segregated. If you go to a black neighborhood in any part of the country they will all be the same. You will have delis owned by Arabs, Lebanese, Mexicans. People get their loose cigarettes and you have a bunch of fools hanging outside selling dope. Chinese restaurants on every block almost no soul food.

[sundizz]

As troll worthy as this is....damn you are right.

Black people seem to only own go into the music industry, or sports. I guess owning a deli, or a gas station doesn't vibe with the cultural expectations of young black men/women growing up.

[Nevaeh]

As troll worthy as this is....damn you are right.

Black people seem to only own go into the music industry, or sports. I guess owning a deli, or a gas station doesn't vibe with the cultural expectations of young black men/women growing up.


Nah, its just that every time we do that, the sh!t gets burned down anyway. So n!ggas be like "f@ck it, Ill just hustle".

[IcanzIIravor]

They didn't listen to Malcolm X and Booker t Washington. Black people own less businesses in 2015 than they did when they were segregated. If you go to a black neighborhood in any part of the country they will all be the same. You will have delis owned by Arabs, Lebanese, Mexicans. People get their loose cigarettes and you have a bunch of fools hanging outside selling dope. Chinese restaurants on every block almost no soul food.

What are you proposing to fix this problem?

[gigantes]

Nah, its just that every time we do that, the sh!t gets burned down anyway. So n!ggas be like "f@ck it, Ill just hustle".
by who? (that's depressing)


american black culture does not serve its own interests from what i've seen. a lot of the values and things to strive for seem pretty effed-up to me. not that it's unique to american blacks of course, but when the two most popular models are being a superstar athlete and/or rap-star with a shitty attitude..... when at this point in time you still have an attitude of entitlement, persecution, etc...... that may very well be based on reality, but it still puts you in a box as a people and keeps you there.


life is full of suffering and hardship. every person alive has been done wrong somehow by systems and other individuals. you either put that aside or let it poison your mind. righteous anger is a strong fuel for the individual but a shitty fuel for a peoples.

[ButterFace]

This is probably because they had to be self-employed, because it was harder to get hired back in the day. My guess is that there are still more successul black people, and less unemployed.

[rlsmooth775]

This is probably because they had to be self-employed, because it was harder to get hired back in the day. My guess is that there are still more successul black people, and less unemployed.

No not really black families are destroyed because of white liberal policies that let single black woman stay home and collect checks. Theses same woman raise the savages you see today.

[rlsmooth775]

What are you proposing to fix this problem?

More black owned shops

[highwhey]

Is this a play on the word integration? Since integration is the backwards process of differentiation.

Anyways, i don't understand what black people and Newtons calculus methods have to do with one another.

[rlsmooth775]

Is this a play on the word integration? Since integration is the backwards process of differentiation.

Anyways, i don't understand what black people and Newtons calculus methods have to do with one another.

Typo

[Akrazotile]

No not really black families are destroyed because of white liberal policies that let single black woman stay home and collect checks. Theses same woman raise the savages you see today.



making good points is the best way to get this predominantly libtard-centric board to ignore your threads.


But I see you homie.

[ace23]

More black owned shops
Yea that's not a solution

[Patrick Chewing]

No not really black families are destroyed because of white liberal policies that let single black woman stay home and collect checks. Theses same woman raise the savages you see today.


In a handout society, Black people are the King of handouts.

With so many programs to help the black person in America, you would think that things would have changed in the last 50 years. But your points are true. Arabs, Latinos, and Asians have been here way less than blacks have, but are 10x as successful.

[rlsmooth775]

Yea that's not a solution

:biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

making good points is the best way to get this predominantly libtard-centric board to ignore your threads.


But I see you homie.

I want you to make a long post on this topic, black youth, savage teens.. I will like it. pls.

[rlsmooth775]

In a handout society, Black people are the King of handouts.

With so many programs to help the black person in America, you would think that things would have changed in the last 50 years. But your points are true. Arabs, Latinos, and Asians have been here way less than blacks have, but are 10x as successful.

It's brainwashing, this is why I don't respect MLK. He pushed integration to quickly instead of improving black businesses. The Generation of kids born in the 50s and 60s failed they didn't develop a entrepreneurial mindset like the black people before them. If they did black people would on average be more wealthy.

[imdaman99]

No not really black families are destroyed because of white liberal policies that let single black woman stay home and collect checks. Theses same woman raise the savages you see today.
It's not easy to get out of the hood. More often than not, a young black kid growing up in the projects first priorities aren't to get out of the hood and become a successful black American. It is probably survival. I would definitely blame the parenting though. Single motherhood is not some easy task.

[rlsmooth775]

It's not easy to get out of the hood. More often than not, a young black kid growing up in the projects first priorities aren't to get out of the hood and become a successful black American. It is probably survival. I would definitely blame the parenting though. Single motherhood is not some easy task.

Black woman are responsible for the dysfunction of the black community in 2015. They ignore black men who are upstanding citizens and procreate with thugs.

[GimmeThat]

And Asians still lack media hype/attention due to the absence of controversy.

Which comprise of the subject as to the contribution to the society in itself

[JtotheIzzo]

They didn't listen to Malcolm X and Booker t Washington. Black people own less businesses in 2015 than they did when they were segregated. If you go to a black neighborhood in any part of the country they will all be the same. You will have delis owned by Arabs, Lebanese, Mexicans. People get their loose cigarettes and you have a bunch of fools hanging outside selling dope. Chinese restaurants on every block almost no soul food.

Yeah but you will find blacks in all levels of society and blacks in every neighborhood.

Immigrants would be surrounded by poor white trash if they chose small town trailer parks instead of big cities.

[Droid101]

Black people own less businesses in 2015 than they did when they were segregated.
https://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/citation-needed.jpg

[senelcoolidge]

So unfortunate that the first Black President is one of the biggest people keeping black people down. Handouts and stirring racial stuff is not the way to advance a group of people.

[Akrazotile]

https://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/citation-needed.jpg


You really need a citation for this? Just ask Marion Barry:


“We’ve got to do something about these Asians coming in, opening up businesses, those dirty shops,” he said in the course of laying out his vision for the ward. “They ought to go. I’ll just say that right now, you know. But we need African American businesspeople to be able to take their places, too.”


It's funny how liberals downplay overt racism from blacks but howl til they're blue in the face if a white politician suggests pregnant women sometimes fabricate stories of rape, or that the civil rights act wasn't written properly, or anything they're basically trained by the liberal side of the media to find inflammatory.

Droid101 of course being the PERFECT example. He's not very bright, doesn't have a lot of social, philosophical, political intelligence, but he knows he generally fits in better with liberals, so he takes whatever stances and positions they hand to him and he just mindlessly shouts them out at the top of his lungs, desperately trying to establish himself worthy of the liberal label. Dude is a mindless drone. Couldn't have picked a more applicable user name.

[NumberSix]

Here's a wild idea. Start treating black people the same way we treat white people. We constantly act as if blacks are one unified group with shared interests and motivations. With whites, we see them as individual citizens.

[ThePhantomCreep]

You really need a citation for this? Just ask Marion Barry:




It's funny how liberals downplay overt racism from blacks but howl til they're blue in the face if a white politician suggests pregnant women sometimes fabricate stories of rape, or that the civil rights act wasn't written properly, or anything they're basically trained by the liberal side of the media to find inflammatory.

Droid101 of course being the PERFECT example. He's not very bright, doesn't have a lot of social, philosophical, political intelligence, but he knows he generally fits in better with liberals, so he takes whatever stances and positions they hand to him and he just mindlessly shouts them out at the top of his lungs, desperately trying to establish himself worthy of the liberal label. Dude is a mindless drone. Couldn't have picked a more applicable user name.

Of course a citation is needed, dickhead. Saying there are fewer black businesses today vs the Jim Crow era is a dubious claim at best. Where's the proof?

[Droid101]

You really need a citation for this? Just ask Marion Barry:




It's funny how liberals downplay overt racism from blacks but howl til they're blue in the face if a white politician suggests pregnant women sometimes fabricate stories of rape, or that the civil rights act wasn't written properly, or anything they're basically trained by the liberal side of the media to find inflammatory.

Droid101 of course being the PERFECT example. He's not very bright, doesn't have a lot of social, philosophical, political intelligence, but he knows he generally fits in better with liberals, so he takes whatever stances and positions they hand to him and he just mindlessly shouts them out at the top of his lungs, desperately trying to establish himself worthy of the liberal label. Dude is a mindless drone. Couldn't have picked a more applicable user name.

You never learn do you?


I'm an avid enthusiast of astronomy, atomic physics, ecology, philosophy, and all the natural wonderment of the world! I'm not even trying to be arrogant or humorous when I make fun of the idiots that spend all their time on facebook and twitter and instragram and posting selfies. I'm just being completely honest about how I feel in that regard. I don't understand how their simple minds work. I can't compute how an intellect could be so shallow as to function that way. Life is so fascinating in so many ways, it's really remarkable how few people actually care. I suppose those people who spend time on social media are just yet another layer of fascination . They remind me of ants. Dumb and compulsively following the crowd, no apparent depth of consciousness or salience of mind. They're like little robots who live and think within the tiniest of spectra. It's amazing to study them. Sometimes I walk up to them with a magnifying glass, and when they say hey what the hell are you doing, I just say shut up, keep behaving like the natural ignoramus you are while I observe you intently. Usually the interaction doesn't end well, but I persist nonetheless.

[ThePhantomCreep]

While flight hurt the black community far more than "liberal policies" ever did. Remove a strong tax base from any neighborhood and it WILL fall into decay. The schools will drop in quality, the infrastructure will crumble, the hopelessness will set in.

Suburban whites, due to their fear and loathing of American blacks, essentially created the modern day ghetto.

[NumberSix]

While flight hurt the black community far more than "liberal policies" ever did. Remove a strong tax base from any neighborhood and it WILL fall into decay. The schools will drop in quality, the infrastructure will crumble, the hopelessness will set in.

Suburban whites, due to their fear and loathing of American blacks, essentially created the modern day ghetto.
Blacks don't pay taxes? :confusedshrug:

[ThePhantomCreep]

Of course they paid taxes, but they didn't pay as much, hence their neighborhoods were subject to neglect relative to white neighborhoods.

Unless you think NYC allocates a similar amount of funds to the South Bronx as it does to the Upper East Side. You're not that dumb, are you?

[NumberSix]

Of course they paid taxes, but they didn't pay as much, hence their neighborhoods were subject to neglect relative to white neighborhoods.

Unless you think NYC allocates a similar amount of funds to the South Bronx as it does to the Upper East Side. You're not that dumb, are you?
I think private citizens, particularly wealthy ones, and private business puts more money into the upper east side. I think it's pretty laughable to believe that the financial disparity is due to municipal spending.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I think private citizens, particularly wealthy ones, and private business puts more money into the upper east side. I think it's pretty laughable to believe that the financial disparity is due to municipal spending.
Yes, I'm sure wealthy people are paying for the good schools, well maintained secured streets, quality infrastructure, and strong civic representation...out of their own pockets. They write a check every other week and hand it to the maintenance fairy. :facepalm

[gigantes]

Here's a wild idea. Start treating black people the same way we treat white people. We constantly act as if blacks are one unified group with shared interests and motivations. With whites, we see them as individual citizens.
i don't disagree, but american black folks seem to have this weirdly homogenous nature.

no matter where you go across the country there's a sort of universal speaking accent and culture. when i'm in europe, south america or meet people right from africa... i see a whole range of accents, culture and personality types not based solely on country / region.

it seems like diversity and individual character is allowed to come out a lot more outside of the states. i don't think this pressure of conformity is coming from white culture or the nation at large, either.

[NumberSix]

Yes, I'm sure wealthy people are paying for the good schools, well maintained secured streets, quality infrastructure, and strong civic representation...out of their own pockets. They write a check every other week and hand it to the maintenance fairy. :facepalm
I'd guess off the top of my head that a significant portion of the kids in the upper east side go to private schools, therefore, the public schools in the same area aren't as overcrowded and the money isn't spread as thin.

Like most lefties, you seem to have this belief that whites are the caretakers of blacks. You also belief that taxes are the root of everything. You honestly think that the upper east side is nicer than the south Bronx, NOT because it's filled with wealthy and prosperous people, but because the government is funnelling all of the tax dollars out of one place into the other.

I haven't even looked into, but if I had to guess, I would guess that the south Bronx actually gets a lot MORE money and tax funded programs than the upper east side.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I'd guess off the top of my head that a significant portion of the kids in the upper east side go to private schools, therefore, the public schools in the same area aren't as overcrowded and the money isn't spread as thin.

Like most lefties, you seem to have this belief that whites are the caretakers of blacks. You also belief that taxes are the root of everything. You honestly think that the upper east side is nicer than the south Bronx, NOT because it's filled with wealthy and prosperous people, but because the government is funnelling all of the tax dollars out of one place into the other.

I haven't even looked into, but if I had to guess, I would guess that the south Bronx actually gets a lot MORE money and tax funded program than the upper east side.


You honestly think that the upper east side is nicer than the south Bronx, NOT because it's filled with wealthy and prosperous people, but because the government is funnelling all of the tax dollars out of one place into the other.

That's not what I said AT ALL. Why do simple, common knowledge truths bother you so much?

Erode the tax base of any neighborhood, regardless of race, and it will decline. When whites fled for the suburbs in the 60s and 70s, it concentrated poverty among those left behind (mainly low-income blacks, held down for eons by systematic racism). These are facts. Services declined, disposable income vanished, urban blight set in.

You're also too hung on the Upper East Side, that was an extreme example I used. Poor neighborhoods are decayed even relative to lower middle class neighborhoods. The tax base is smaller, the socio-economic mobility is non-existent, the amenities are sparse, and the schools are terrible. Businesses? They'll peddle whatever they feel the tax base can afford and that's it. That means liquor stores and lots of them. Again, this is compared to neighborhoods just a few tiers higher in terms of income.

[IcanzIIravor]

They didn't listen to Malcolm X and Booker t Washington. Black people own less businesses in 2015 than they did when they were segregated. If you go to a black neighborhood in any part of the country they will all be the same. You will have delis owned by Arabs, Lebanese, Mexicans. People get their loose cigarettes and you have a bunch of fools hanging outside selling dope. Chinese restaurants on every block almost no soul food.

This is just from 2002 to 2007

https://www.census.gov/econ/sbo/getsof.html?07black

SUMMARY OF FINDINGS

In 2007, blacks owned 1.9 million nonfarm U.S. businesses operating in the fifty states and the District of Columbia, an increase of 60.5 percent from 2002. These black-owned firms accounted for 7.1 percent of all nonfarm businesses in the United States, employed 921,032 persons (0.8 percent of total employment) and generated $137.5 billion in receipts (0.5 percent of all receipts).

These findings come from the U.S. Census Bureau's 2007 Survey of Business Owners (SBO) and were collected as part of the 2007 Economic Census. The SBO includes a sample of more than 2.3 million nonfarm businesses filing 2007 tax forms as individual proprietorships, partnerships, or any type of corporation, and with receipts of $1,000 or more. The SBO defines black-owned businesses as firms in which blacks own 51 percent or more of the equity, interest or stock of the business.

Table 6 [pdf, 220K; csv, 6K] shows the number of firms and value of receipts for all black-owned businesses in 2007 and the changes from 2002 to 2007.

Employment size and receipts size data for black-owned firms are shown in Chart 3 [pdf, 169K] and Chart 2 [pdf, 169K].
KIND-OF-BUSINESS CHARACTERISTICS

In 2007, 37.6 percent of black-owned firms operated in the health care and social assistance (NAICS 62) and repair, maintenance, personal, and laundry services (NAICS 81) sectors. Black-owned firms accounted for 15.4 percent of all U.S. businesses in the health care and social assistance (NAICS 62) sector as well as 13.4 percent of all firms in the transportation and warehousing (NAICS 48-49) sector. Table 5 [pdf, 555K; csv, 96K] and Chart 1 [pdf, 169K] show the distribution of black-owned firms by sector. Retail trade (NAICS 44-45) and health care and social assistance (NAICS 62) accounted for 27.4 percent of black-owned business revenue.



Why should black owned businesses have to stay in black neighborhoods? Why can't they be like any other business?

[Akrazotile]

This is just from 2002 to 2007

https://www.census.gov/econ/sbo/getsof.html?07black

SUMMARY OF FINDINGS

In 2007, blacks owned 1.9 million nonfarm U.S. businesses operating in the fifty states and the District of Columbia, an increase of 60.5 percent from 2002. These black-owned firms accounted for 7.1 percent of all nonfarm businesses in the United States, employed 921,032 persons (0.8 percent of total employment) and generated $137.5 billion in receipts (0.5 percent of all receipts).

These findings come from the U.S. Census Bureau's 2007 Survey of Business Owners (SBO) and were collected as part of the 2007 Economic Census. The SBO includes a sample of more than 2.3 million nonfarm businesses filing 2007 tax forms as individual proprietorships, partnerships, or any type of corporation, and with receipts of $1,000 or more. The SBO defines black-owned businesses as firms in which blacks own 51 percent or more of the equity, interest or stock of the business.

Table 6 [pdf, 220K; csv, 6K] shows the number of firms and value of receipts for all black-owned businesses in 2007 and the changes from 2002 to 2007.

Employment size and receipts size data for black-owned firms are shown in Chart 3 [pdf, 169K] and Chart 2 [pdf, 169K].
KIND-OF-BUSINESS CHARACTERISTICS

In 2007, 37.6 percent of black-owned firms operated in the health care and social assistance (NAICS 62) and repair, maintenance, personal, and laundry services (NAICS 81) sectors. Black-owned firms accounted for 15.4 percent of all U.S. businesses in the health care and social assistance (NAICS 62) sector as well as 13.4 percent of all firms in the transportation and warehousing (NAICS 48-49) sector. Table 5 [pdf, 555K; csv, 96K] and Chart 1 [pdf, 169K] show the distribution of black-owned firms by sector. Retail trade (NAICS 44-45) and health care and social assistance (NAICS 62) accounted for 27.4 percent of black-owned business revenue.



Why should black owned businesses have to stay in black neighborhoods? Why can't they be like any other business?


I like you as a poster but you clearly only quoted the portion of that page that suited a particular angle. How about this:


[quote]EMPLOYER FIRM CHARACTERISTICS

The SBO collects data from both employer and nonemployer businesses. Employer businesses are firms with paid employees, including workers on the payroll and excluding sole proprietors and partners. Nonemployer businesses are firms without paid employees, including sole proprietors and partners of unincorporated businesses that do not have any other employees on the payroll.

In 2007, there were 106,824 black-owned employer firms, an increase of 13.0 percent from 2002. These firms employed 921,032 person and had a total payroll of $23.9 billion, an increase of 22.2 percent and 36.3 percent respectively from 2002. In 2007, these firms generated $98.9 billion in receipts, an increase of 50.2 percent from 2002. [B]In 2007, employer firms accounted for 5.6 percent of the total number of black-owned firms and 71.9 percent of black-owned firms

[NumberSix]

That's not what I said AT ALL. Why do simple, common knowledge truths bother you so much?
Because I don't know that they are "truths" in the first place.

Look at a state like Texas. It has one of the best economies in the United States, yet it collects no state income tax at all.

Your idea that neighbourhoods with bad economic conditions are the way they are because "not enough taxes are being payed" has no evidence to support it. It's simply a matter of whether business is being done or not.

Go to any "nice neighbourhood" and what do you see? Desirable homes and thriving businesses. These things have nothing to do with taxes. Privates citizens and companies decided that this looks like a desirable place to do business. A neighbourhood like this is obviously full of economic opportunity.

If you want to argue that white flight has created environments where there is a lack of business or economic opportunity, you might have a pretty good point. The tax argument though just doesn't hold any water.

[Droid101]

I like you as a poster but you clearly only quoted the portion of that page that suited a particular angle. How about this:

Non-employer firms, aka every black guy who calls himself CEO of a record label on a Facebook page.
That's very poignant considering only black people do this and no white/hispanic/asian/etc person has ever done this.

Very deep thoughts man. I'll be thinking about this stuff tonight as hard as I think about how you recovered from your bankruptcy with your parents' help.

[Akrazotile]

That's very poignant considering only black people do this and no white/hispanic/asian/etc person has ever done this.

Very deep thoughts man. I'll be thinking about this stuff tonight as hard as I think about how you recovered from your bankruptcy with your parents' help.



Good work bruh. Take a break and catch your breath, wipe your face with a towel, youve really been sweatin my nuts hard. Puttin in dat work.

#Hardwork
#Grinding
#Hustling
#TastingScrotumSweat

[IcanzIIravor]

I like you as a poster but you clearly only quoted the portion of that page that suited a particular angle. How about this:





Non-employer firms, aka every black guy who calls himself CEO of a record label on a Facebook page. Every guy who cuts his friends' hair and makes business cards that say he's CEO of a barbershop enterprise. Every Carmelo Anthony who made some money from sports or music and wants to waste some money living the CEO fantasy on a doomed business venture.

And that's all well and good that these guys are trying to fake it til they make it, but those aren't real businesses and the vast majority of them never will be. The shops that sell stuff, the restaurants, the dry cleaners, the landscaping, small businesses that employ people in the community, hardly any blacks own stuff like this any more. I'm telling you, and trust me I've lived in all sorts of parts of town the last 10 years, the way the general culture among black people from black neighborhoods operates NOW is to basically collect some easy money from either the government or hustling or whatever, pretend you're some professional CEO who knows all about investing and building a business etc, and eventually have more kids than you can afford then knock off a convenience store to make money and get sent upstate for 3 years. Seriously man. You did your thing and there are other blacks doing it too, but there are soooo many in areas of Chicago, Houston, LA, New Orleans etc. that are living ridiculous lives of ignorance, crime, violence, and so on.

It's a double edged argument. On the one hand, qualified and capable blacks were unfairly being denied access to things years ago, which anyone can sympathize with. On the other hand, the AVERAGE black person from the AVERAGE black family maybe wasn't ready to try and keep up with white people in an integrated market dominated by white cultural practices. In fact, I'm not even sure they were even made to try and compete, the last couple generations seems to have been mostly placated with BET and welfare. That has been a DISASTER. Trust me, the media influences the vast majority of people (of all races) in a crazy profound way. It's something I've really been realizing recently. And you look at the blaxploitation and coonery that's been sold to all the blacks who didn't have parental guidance to navigate them through it, it's brutal. And it's not just blacks. You look at some of these midwestern juggalo gatherings and it's quite an eye opener.

But the point is, you can't just "give blacks money" (not saying you advocate something this simple, but a lot of white liberals do) because they're not going to keep it very long. The average person who wins the lottery (black, white, or otherwise) goes broke. "A fool and his money soon part." There's a reason rich people are successful, obviously. For blacks to compete they really needed a serious, methodical cultural improvement, and in fact the opposite has happened. Look at interviews of black athletes and entertainers from the 60s. They're almost all well-mannered, well-groomed, likable because at that time the idea was if you want to earn your way in a white man's world you had to try your damnest to present yourself well. But liberals came along and said WE NEED TO GIVE ALL BLACK PEOPLE AS MUCH FREE RIDES AS WE CAN BECAUSE WHITES ARE STUPID CUZ OF SLAVERY YOU GUYS, LOOK HOW SMART I SOUND, RIGHT???

I mean if you're already at the bottom, and you get fed just enough to survive and be strung along, you're never gonna develop the kind of cultural attitudes that immigrants brought with them from societies that had developed them over hundreds or thousands of years. Seriously. Democrats, literally by political nature, are a "have it now, short term satisfaction, do what makes me feel good immediately" party. That's their platform on every issue. It sounded real good when they first started increasing those welfare payments, but now the black community is paying the price for the lack of development of habits that liberals insisted they needn't mind.

When non African Americans do that we call them start-ups. Average receipts of $21,000 for a self-employed person is nothing to laugh at. The next step would be seeing how many survived the initial early years. The notion that black owned businesses have declined since the end of segregation is not only false, but filled with blatant ignorance. The decline of many black neighborhoods has nothing to do with black owned business. There are a number of factors involved. Black flight from traditional areas in which they were forced to stay is one significant aspect that could be mentioned.

Very few people argue that black people should be gifted anything more than what any other US citizen is given. Clearly education is a major factor and the need for black leaders to not only promote education from high up, but to also go into these neighborhoods and lead the way. There are rich people who are black as well. Some of us must be doing okay. When did liberals insist black people didn't need to help themselves? Can you link me to some actual data and quotes on that? Are you referring to the high percentage of black people on welfare and drawing a conclusion that it is due to liberals running a campaign telling black people to just chill?

I think in many ways your attitude is just as bad as the people demanding reparations. In your world it is the liberal who has done this. Liberal this and liberal that as the reason why the black community has gotten to this point. If you want to preach personal responsibility then focus on that. It isn't a liberal vs conservative problem as Liberals haven't dominated continuously since the end of segregation. People have to take responsibility for their own actions. The government isn't going into Rebelwood Projects in Jackson, Mississippi and telling people not to watch their kids and not stop people from tearing down the kids who are working hard to make something of themselves. It's a generational issue.

[MavsSuperFan]

This is probably because they had to be self-employed, because it was harder to get hired back in the day. My guess is that there are still more successul black people, and less unemployed.
plenty of black people worked for white people during jim crow. Black domestic workers and other menial jobs/labor intensive jobs were kind of a stereotype.

Blacks werent allowed to use the same facilities as white people. Eg, their kids couldnt go to white schools. The people that did the grounds keeping, the janitor in the school, the lunch lady, etc could all be black. Restaurants and hotels that didn't allow black costumers often had black kitchen workers.

I dont know where you guys are getting blacks and whites never interacted in the south during Jim Crow. it was just those interactions where very unfair, and often even excessively violent towards the black population.
Only on ISH would people argue integration was bad for black people.

[Bigsmoke]

They didn't listen to Malcolm X and Booker t Washington. Black people own less businesses in 2015 than they did when they were segregated. If you go to a black neighborhood in any part of the country they will all be the same. You will have delis owned by Arabs, Lebanese, Mexicans. People get their loose cigarettes and you have a bunch of fools hanging outside selling dope. Chinese restaurants on every block almost no soul food.

A lot of black businesses in Atlanta and Washington DC

[Dresta]

It's a double edged argument. On the one hand, qualified and capable blacks were unfairly being denied access to things years ago, which anyone can sympathize with. On the other hand, the AVERAGE black person from the AVERAGE black family maybe wasn't ready to try and keep up with white people in an integrated market dominated by white cultural practices. In fact, I'm not even sure they were even made to try and compete, the last couple generations seems to have been mostly placated with BET and welfare. That has been a DISASTER. Trust me, the media influences the vast majority of people (of all races) in a crazy profound way. It's something I've really been realizing recently. And you look at the blaxploitation and coonery that's been sold to all the blacks who didn't have parental guidance to navigate them through it, it's brutal. And it's not just blacks. You look at some of these midwestern juggalo gatherings and it's quite an eye opener.

But the point is, you can't just "give blacks money" (not saying you advocate something this simple, but a lot of white liberals do) because they're not going to keep it very long. The average person who wins the lottery (black, white, or otherwise) goes broke. "A fool and his money soon part." There's a reason rich people are successful, obviously. For blacks to compete they really needed a serious, methodical cultural improvement, and in fact the opposite has happened. Look at interviews of black athletes and entertainers from the 60s. They're almost all well-mannered, well-groomed, likable because at that time the idea was if you want to earn your way in a white man's world you had to try your damnest to present yourself well. But liberals came along and said WE NEED TO GIVE ALL BLACK PEOPLE AS MUCH FREE RIDES AS WE CAN BECAUSE WHITES ARE STUPID CUZ OF SLAVERY YOU GUYS, LOOK HOW SMART I SOUND, RIGHT???

I mean if you're already at the bottom, and you get fed just enough to survive and be strung along, you're never gonna develop the kind of cultural attitudes that immigrants brought with them from societies that had developed them over hundreds or thousands of years. Seriously. Democrats, literally by political nature, are a "have it now, short term satisfaction, do what makes me feel good immediately" party. That's their platform on every issue. It sounded real good when they first started increasing those welfare payments, but now the black community is paying the price for the lack of development of habits that liberals insisted they needn't mind.


Good post. And the bolded is very true: the Democrat party has been that way ever since FDR, that quite remarkable demagogue. Over the past century they've effectively worked off using perceived societal wrongs to expand the reach of the Federal government (themselves, and later, their Republican counterparts, who are no better when it comes to abusing executive power), instead of sticking the course and allowing these problems to correct themselves, which they eventually would, and far more effectively than at present. The quick (and temporary) fix over a gradual and lasting one - the arbitrary moniker of 'social justice' has been used to justify usurpations of power far too often.


As far as i'm concerned, it's common sense that in making people's lives easier and more comfortable, you will also make them less self-reliant, more dependent, and less capable of dealing with the inevitable vicissitudes of life, when they do come. These are the proliferators of homelessness and mass low-level criminality, and simply flinging more money in their direction has never and will never solve the problems it supposedly addresses.

No one ever got anywhere or learnt anything by having someone else carry out most of their responsibilities for them. But then, the very idea of taking one's responsibilities and duties seriously, has become a risible one. It is at odds with the modern world and the modern mind, where everything is demanded as a 'right' and personal obligations forgotten; the notion of self-sacrifice traded for 'whatever suits me, and me alone!', and this all varnished by the politically slanted language of the age, that puts this most brazen kind of selfishness onto a kind of pedestal from which any attack on it becomes 'immoral' 'evil' or 'wrong' but most frequently of all 'extreme' - our mass self-indulgence portrayed as moderation! What a farce!