Elgin Baylor 1969 ASG Highlights (21 points 9 reb, 5a 3blk 1stl)

[CavaliersFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4RwNcwBSP0

34 years old still First-Team All NBA and playing great on both ends outplaying all-stars that were still all-stars in the Bird and Magic era (Elvin Hayes) :applause:

Reminds me of James Harden the way he looks to draw contact and does a little bit of 'everything' on the floor on the offensive end, anyone else see the similarity?

[Im Still Ballin]

Excuse me senior, could I get the official Era stats translator to find out what these numbers would equate to in the superior modern NBA?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Excuse me senior, could I get the official Era stats translator to find out what these numbers would equate to in the superior modern NBA?
3/2/1/0/-1

[Im Still Ballin]

3/2/1/0/-1
Fascinating!

[LAZERUSS]

Excuse me senior, could I get the official Era stats translator to find out what these numbers would equate to in the superior modern NBA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7TnbhJr8iY

If that guy was a 26-12 player just last season...then Baylor would probably be a 35-20 guy in today's NBA.

[Kvnzhangyay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7TnbhJr8iY

If that guy was a 26-12 player just last season...then Baylor would probably be a 35-20 guy in today's NBA.

:roll: :roll: :lol

[Marchesk]

Excuse me senior, could I get the official Era stats translator to find out what these numbers would equate to in the superior modern NBA?

You mean the era in which Demarcus Cousins is an elite center?

[Marchesk]

Prime Baylor would be the best rebounding forward and compete with a healthy Durant for scoring leader in today's league.

[CavaliersFTW]

Prime Baylor would be the best rebounding forward and compete with a healthy Durant for scoring leader in today's league.
This.

And that 34 year old Baylor you see in the video would still be a top 5 forward and a top 10 or 15 player this season. He was still All-NBA first team as a Forward in 1969 at age 34 after losing 3/4 of his knee cap in 1965. Incredible.

Lebron
Durant

Those two guys are still in their prime or near enough that they would be ahead of him but who else? I wouldn't put Melo ahead of him, not with the way Baylor passes the ball. Dirk's too old. Duncan's too old (I consider him a center the way he plays these days anyways).

[jongib369]

Thanks for this, and the other videos even though they arent getting many views. As an Archive focused on the era Wilt played in / the guys that ovelaped his career whether they played before his rookie year, or during and then after his retirement is important. Legitimizing an entire era of basketball with video proof that we hadn't seen such an abundance of before? What a respectable hobby. :cheers:

Idk if you've ever given it any consideration, but showcasing how some of these 60s/70's guys faired in the late 70s/early 80s is just as important as archiving Wilt's specific era. Not as many people here doubt whether or not guys from the late 70s/80s can play today...So showcasing those earlier players going against them does nothing but give your archive a shit ton more martial at your disposel

[bizil]

Thanks for this, and the other videos even though they arent getting many views. As an Archive focused on the era Wilt played in / the guys that ovelaped his career whether they played before his rookie year, or during and then after his retirement is important. Legitimizing an entire era of basketball with video proof that we hadn't seen such an abundance of before? What a respectable hobby. :cheers:

Idk if you've ever given it any consideration, but showcasing how some of these 60s/70's guys faired in the late 70s/early 80s is just as important as archiving Wilt's specific era. Not as many people here doubt whether or not guys from the late 70s/80s can play today...So showcasing those earlier players going against them does nothing but give your archive a shit ton more martial at your disposel

Well said! I have NO DOUBT that Baylor, West, Big O, and Wilt would be among the best players in the league today. It took these kind of guys to finally equal them or eclipse them peak wise:

Dr. J (Baylor)
Magic (Big O)
Jordan (West)
Nobody has reached Wilt peak wise

So it took guys whose careers lasted until the late 80's thru the 2000s. I think what separated Baylor back in the day was his combo of size, freakish athletic ability, and skills. It made him more unique than even West or Big O in the 60's. I think his game was the most casual fan friendly of all the greats of the 60's because he was so fun to watch.

[CavaliersFTW]

Also from the West squad 1969 ASG (All players that scored over 6 points):

Lenny Wilkins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv0DmjFhplc

Jeff Mullins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHXRVOViQsU

Joe Caldwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWxX5VB7j_M

Lou Hudson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltGKecuWX9s

Don Kojis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR-ATd2Mi1s

Rudy LaRusso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=927bU5SqFzM

Will be uploading the "West Centers" (Wilt and Hayes) who both combined for 48 minutes as the West squad center rotation.

Will be doing the same for the East squad throughout the rest of the week. Gus Johnson, Oscar Robertson and Earl Monroe played outstanding on the East squad. I'll be re-doing the Oscar highlights that I had up from this game last year because they rendered extremely blurry and I've since found a way to correct/improve that as can be seen in all these other guys highlights.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2029369!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/nba2f-23-web.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt Chamberlain and Elvin Hayes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhoupzVHl50

[Psileas]

Wilt's block on Oscar is among the highest he's jumped as a "Laker Wilt" (among the plays that exist on video, obviously).

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt's block on Oscar is among the highest he's jumped as a "Laker Wilt" (among the plays that exist on video, obviously).
Well, on film there's a couple of others I would say are up there with it. For example, his block on Lenny Wilkins in the '73 ASG

Which can be seen with at least one other Lakers-Wilt clip (Bulls playoff game) in this little string of clips of some of Wilt's highest looking jumps with an outstretched arm on film:
http://youtu.be/_B7jVTJ_CIE?t=5m49s

[DatAsh]

How high would Wilt and Russell need to jump to touch the top of the backboard?

[CavaliersFTW]

How high would Wilt and Russell need to jump to touch the top of the backboard?
Russell would need a 44" vertical, Wilt would need a 42" vertical

[DatAsh]

Russell would need a 44" vertical, Wilt would need a 42" vertical

Russell's standing reach was only 2 inches shorter than Wilt's? That seems weird.

[CavaliersFTW]

Russell's standing reach was only 2 inches shorter than Wilt's? That seems weird.
Well to be honest that's the one measurement of his I've only heard in circulation via word of mouth (I can't cite it) so it could be incorrect. So keep that in mind. Though I honestly believe it's possible, Russell had very high and flexible shoulders, his standing reach was the same as an allegedly 7-3 guy named Wade Halbrook and I actually found that picture that was famously described where they both reach up and touch a basketball at the same height.

Anyways

Wilt:
7-0 and 1/2 to 7-1 and 3/16ths (he claimed it varied, most peoples heights, do that's the lowest-highest I've seen cited as specific w/o shoes measurements)
7-8 armspan - can be seen in the Ali fight promo
9-6 standing reach (should note, his and Russell's reach are taken in much thinner shoes than today's)
11.5 inch hand spread thumb to pinky
9.5 inch hand length wrist to middle fingertip

Russell:
6-9 and 5/8ths as per 1955 sports illustrated
7-4 armspan ("The Rivalry" book, not sure where they got the number)
9-4 standing reach (word of mouth among sports fans around the net... uncited so far)
10.5 inch hand length wrist to middle fingertip also from The Rivalry book

Russell was extremely long, in that all star game look at the center jump, he's quite a bit more physically imposing looking than rookie Elvin Hayes and Hayes claims he was precisely 6-9 and 1/2 without shoes in an article about him in the NCAA (so should be almost imperceptibly shorter than Russ to the top of his head) but he had a shorter 7-2 armspan. Russell just appears to look longer and cover a wider area of the floor.

Listed at the time at "6-10" Russell and "7-3" Wade Halbrook, both with what seems to be the same reach.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1kJBO41rCxI/U0S2yXnPjBI/AAAAAAAAFC8/wEgTa8alARM/s800/Russell1955.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

Gus Johnson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFs3reTeOwM

Jerry Lucas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Htx3D2KBtw

Billy Cunningham:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNRvBTSCqbQ

[CavaliersFTW]

Bump and more to come tonight

[swagga]

Well to be honest that's the one measurement of his I've only heard in circulation via word of mouth (I can't cite it) so it could be incorrect. So keep that in mind. Though I honestly believe it's possible, Russell had very high and flexible shoulders, his standing reach was the same as an allegedly 7-3 guy named Wade Halbrook and I actually found that picture that was famously described where they both reach up and touch a basketball at the same height.

Anyways

Wilt:
7-0 and 1/2 to 7-1 and 3/16ths (he claimed it varied, most peoples heights, do that's the lowest-highest I've seen cited as specific w/o shoes measurements)
7-8 armspan - can be seen in the Ali fight promo
9-6 standing reach (should note, his and Russell's reach are taken in much thinner shoes than today's)
11.5 inch hand spread thumb to pinky
9.5 inch hand length wrist to middle fingertip

Russell:
6-9 and 5/8ths as per 1955 sports illustrated
7-4 armspan ("The Rivalry" book, not sure where they got the number)
9-4 standing reach (word of mouth among sports fans around the net... uncited so far)
10.5 inch hand length wrist to middle fingertip also from The Rivalry book

Russell was extremely long, in that all star game look at the center jump, he's quite a bit more physically imposing looking than rookie Elvin Hayes and Hayes claims he was precisely 6-9 and 1/2 without shoes in an article about him in the NCAA (so should be almost imperceptibly shorter than Russ to the top of his head) but he had a shorter 7-2 armspan. Russell just appears to look longer and cover a wider area of the floor.

Listed at the time at "6-10" Russell and "7-3" Wade Halbrook, both with what seems to be the same reach.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1kJBO41rCxI/U0S2yXnPjBI/AAAAAAAAFC8/wEgTa8alARM/s800/Russell1955.jpg

:lol :lol :lol
your picture analysis cracks me up big time son.

[CavaliersFTW]

:lol :lol :lol
your picture analysis cracks me up big time son.
That isn't a picture analysis. I merely mentioned that I had found a picture that has been described in the past - and provided the picture.

The rest of the info isn't connected to the picture.