All things considered, Wiggins' rookie season has been the definition of pedestrian

[PleezeBelieve]

Not a great scorer

Not a great defender

Not a great passer

Not a great PER

Not a great playmaker

Not a great winner


Seems to be the same unspectacular player he was in college. :confusedshrug:

[Cocaine80s]

Better than any Dion Waiters season tho

[PleezeBelieve]

Also forgot to add he plays like 40 minutes a game for the last half of the season.

He does very little to impacts games day in, day out. Its rather fascinating.

[Jud]

Look at your title.

ROOKIE SEASON.

[ClipperRevival]

He's freaken 19 buddy. He played 1 year of college ball. I can tell you he's already a very good wing defender. He's got a nice stroke and his shot will come around. The guy is averaging 16 a game. He'll get to 20 ppg next year and provide excellent defense. Basketball is a game of skill. The more you work on your game, the more you improve. Wiggins will continue to improve assuming he works on his game.

[PleezeBelieve]

He's freaken 19 buddy. He played 1 year of college ball. I can tell you he's already a very good wing defender. He's got a nice stroke and his shot will come around. The guy is averaging 16 a game. He'll get to 20 ppg next year and provide excellent defense. Basketball is a game of skill. The more you work on your game, the more you improve. Wiggins will continue to improve assuming he works on his game.
Empty stats... anyone can average 20 on 15 shots and 2 assists with no wins to show for it in 40 minutes a night.

Dude is just another guy. Not special at all... including his defense which is ridiculously overrated.

[ClipperRevival]

Empty stats... anyone can average 20 on 15 shots and 2 assists with no wins to show for it in 40 minutes a night.

Dude is just another guy. Not special at all... including his defense which is ridiculously overrated.

Good stuff bro.

[PleezeBelieve]

Good stuff bro.
Go sit down somewhere while the professor is teaching. I don't make threads unless I'm 100% accurate, which I am here.

Wiggins has ZERO signature moments, let alone wins on the season. His stats are historically underwhelming for a rookie of the year winner.

These are facts. Go play somewhere.

[ClipperRevival]

Go sit down somewhere while the professor is teaching. I don't make threads unless I'm 100% accurate, which I am here.

Wiggins has ZERO signature moments, let alone wins on the season. His stats are historically underwhelming for a rookie of the year winner.

These are facts. Go play somewhere.

Umm ok. :facepalm

[BasedTom]

http://i.imgur.com/OQ9WgBb.jpg

[Akrazotile]

Havent even seen him play yet, in the NBA anyway, and STILL i will posit with authority that his ceiling is Paul George.

[dubeta]

LeBron was averaging 27-7-7 on 47% shooting at the same stage

The audacity ppl have in their comparisions these days :facepalm

[Lebron23]

He's still a good player.

[plowking]

Why do you make these threads?

90% of the time you're wrong. The other 10% is essentially times you can't be wrong due to kicking a player while he is down or generally picking a player no one believes in from the get go.

Look at your dumbass Dion and Kyrie threads. That should be enough for you to know you suck at assessing any type of basketball talent.

[KG215]

Go sit down somewhere while the professor is teaching. I don't make threads unless I'm 100% accurate, which I am here.

Wiggins has ZERO signature moments, let alone wins on the season. His stats are historically underwhelming for a rookie of the year winner.

These are facts. Go play somewhere.
Are you basing this on anything? Or are you just spewing bullshit as usual?

He's averaging 19-5-2-1-1 on 46% FG over his last 30 games. As for the wins, what the hell do you expect? Minnesota has played practically the entire season without Rubio, Pekovic, and Martin. Without those three Minny's roster is only surpassed in shittiness by the Knicks (sans-Melo) and 76ers.

[ImKobe]

Jordan Clarkson ROY.

[SyRyanYang]

The amount of salt is strong is this one

[UK2K]

I told ISH that he's Melo v2.0.

Dude will probably average 26 per on 43% shooting and 2.5 apg.

[navy]

I told ISH that he's Melo v2.0.

Dude will probably average 26 per on 43% shooting and 2.5 apg.
Carmelo is/was a solid player.

[coin24]

Wiggins is a beast and deserves ROY, Cavs fu*ked up:lol
He's in a much better position for himself and would have rotted on the Cavs bench..

I like Clarkson a lot also (biased lol) hes the steal of the draft imo..:rockon:

[Wavves]

Wiggins will be a fantastic player and has already showed a lot of what he can do this season.

Definitely a very solid rookie season and cannot wait to see him develop his game more in time.

Deserving ROY winner.

[Milbuck]

I told ISH that he's Melo v2.0.

Dude will probably average 26 per on 43% shooting and 2.5 apg.
If Wiggins gives you Melo-like production on offense (which isn't anything to scoff at, Melo's put up 26 ppg on ~55-56% TS over 9 seasons) while becoming an elite perimeter defender...that's a perennial top 5 player.

Melo is getting seriously underrated right now if we're using him to knock Wiggins. Just a couple years ago dude was a bonafide MVP candidate on a severely under talented Knicks team that won 54 games.

Anyways, it's not like they're similar players at all..

[UK2K]

If Wiggins gives you Melo-like production on offense (which isn't anything to scoff at, Melo's put up 26 ppg on ~55-56% TS over 9 seasons) while becoming an elite perimeter defender...that's a perennial top 5 player.

Melo is getting seriously underrated right now if we're using him to knock Wiggins. Just a couple years ago dude was a bonafide MVP candidate on a severely under talented Knicks team that won 54 games.

Anyways, it's not like they're similar players at all..
I like Melo. Not hating on him or Wiggins at all.

Just saying, Wiggins is a chucker like Melo. That's just his game.

[NuggetsFan]

Just saying, Wiggins is a chucker like Melo. That's just his game.

Wiggins NEEDS more chucker in his game. The biggest knock on Wiggins game is he's not assertive/aggressive enough for how talented he is. He's changed that as the season as went on and he still probably needs to "chuck" more. He didn't dominate enough at Kansas, and started the season taking like 10 shots a night. It's a good thing he's looking for his shot more.

Wiggins isn't a chucker at all. That's just looking at the assists and assuming. Your the first person I've ever seen call him a chucker.

Melo/Wiggins aren't similar at all. Melo had one of the most polished offensive games from day 1. Wiggins is a raw freak athlete developing. Melo had no interest in defense, Wiggins has shown serious potential on that end.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Not a great scorer

Not a great defender

Not a great passer

Not a great PER

Not a great playmaker

Not a great winner



Didn't read the title, this thread is about Kevin Love right? BTW I totally agree.

[RoseCity07]

Wolves looked pretty good when they just beat the Blazers. Just saying.

[Adrenalynn]

http://i.imgur.com/OQ9WgBb.jpg

Haven't posted since August of 2014, finally got the chance to log in and saw this. :roll: thanks, you made my day.

[retaxis]

Wiggins emind me of Lebron at this stage. Not great at anything but superstars aren't specialists they are do it alls

[JtotheIzzo]

Not a great scorer

Not a great defender

Not a great passer

Not a great PER

Not a great playmaker

Not a great winner


Seems to be the same unspectacular player he was in college. :confusedshrug:

Wiggins has his first bad game in ages and look who comes out of the woodwork.

You my friend are a f*ckin idiot, this is not news, just the tag line that goes with every post written about you, to give new readers a historical background to the story.

Wiggins is averaging 19-5-2-1-1 on 46% FG over his last 30 games, that puts him top 15 in the league.

Not bad for someone who is 'not a great scorer'

Dion Waiters (who you said would be better *hold laughter*) will be putting up those numbers next year...

...in China, once he is cut by the Thunder. IF...and that is a big if...if he learns how to play the game.

Thanks for coming out.

[ralph_i_el]

If OP doesn't think he'll be good, does that mean he's a guaranteed first ballet hall of famer?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--BJgox42pYI/UwpDCF1BLpI/AAAAAAAAAdg/rEff68HFFxY/s1600/whats+up+with+that.gif
Are you an idiot? Watch the kid? Great looking stroke, FREAK level athlete. Just look at the length of his strides! He moves like a puma on speed. 7'+ wingspan and he already has go to ISO moves that make folks look foolish. He's raw in places, but just like AD and KD before him, this dude is literally the perfect basketball specimin physically. His floor is so high it's not even funny. He also doesn't jack 3's like a lot of young guys, but looks comfortable working inside the arc and in the in between areas. Super comfortable in the post. Looks to me like he could developed a Kobe Bryant-Esque scoring arsenal inside the arc. Even if he doesn't, being comfortable from those areas will make it easier for him to be a high volume scorer down the line (in a good way)

Meanwhile Dion Waiters is just a fat Jordan Crawford.

[UK2K]

Wiggins NEEDS more chucker in his game. The biggest knock on Wiggins game is he's not assertive/aggressive enough for how talented he is. He's changed that as the season as went on and he still probably needs to "chuck" more. He didn't dominate enough at Kansas, and started the season taking like 10 shots a night. It's a good thing he's looking for his shot more.

Wiggins isn't a chucker at all. That's just looking at the assists and assuming. Your the first person I've ever seen call him a chucker.

Melo/Wiggins aren't similar at all. Melo had one of the most polished offensive games from day 1. Wiggins is a raw freak athlete developing. Melo had no interest in defense, Wiggins has shown serious potential on that end.
Cool, I also said it before he was drafted, and everything I said he'd do (average defense, low shooting %, super low assist rate) was spot on.

It was quoted a day or two ago.

So, yeah.

[SugarHill]

How is his defense average for a rookie?

[Haymaker]

Stop polluting these boards and cancel your account. Make us all that favor.

[RedBlackAttack]

Cool, I also said it before he was drafted, and everything I said he'd do (average defense, low shooting %, super low assist rate) was spot on.

It was quoted a day or two ago.

So, yeah.
Except, Wiggins' game has almost nothing in common with Carmelo Anthony. That's probably the part that people are having a hard time swallowing with your "analysis." It might be the worst comparison ever made in the history of the forum and essentially voids anything you have to say on the topic.

But, please... continue.

[CarlosBoozer]

Don't care bout stats, he smooth as f*ck

https://38.media.tumblr.com/958cb09ccf9efee2f01d860507cd9ab2/tumblr_nim5mqBkrq1s3gys4o1_400.gif

[JtotheIzzo]

Cool, I also said it before he was drafted, and everything I said he'd do (average defense, low shooting %, super low assist rate) was spot on.

It was quoted a day or two ago.

So, yeah.

Yeah, 'spot on'.

Except his shooting percentage isn't that low (especially the last 30 games), his defense is well above average (especially for a rookie, playing against other team's number 1s for the first and second times), but you got the assist rate right, congratulations, a non-ball dominant rookie on a last place team has a low assist rate.

You my friend are a f*ckin genius!

[clipps]

I didn't read anyone's post or the even the thread title for that matter. Are we talking about Kevin Love?

[ISHGoat]

I didn't read anyone's post or the even the thread title for that matter. Are we talking about Kevin Love?

I think were talking about prime kobe

mr 30 on 25 shots

[DukeDelonte13]

I didn't read anyone's post or the even the thread title for that matter. Are we talking about Kevin Love?


if wiggins would have stayed on the cavs he would have put up pedestrian stats and probably not be ROY, while Love would have had another monster statistical season as the no 1 option on Minny. People would be saying how stupid the cavs are for not trading wiggins for Love.

[Ass Dan]

if wiggins would have stayed on the cavs he would have put up pedestrian stats and probably not be ROY, while Love would have had another monster statistical season as the no 1 option on Minny. People would be saying how stupid the cavs are for not trading wiggins for Love.

Maybe, but lets say that during Bran Sauce's two week holiday, ole Blatt-ass decides to put Wiggins in the feature role, and Wiggins has a few of those 30 point games he likes to have (probably easier on the Cavs with defenses focused on Kyrie).

The kid is malleable, and the cream always rises, so people will recognize, and if he is harassing Bran Sauce in practice and dunking on folks (like he did when he played the Cavs) they will find a role for him.

Wiggins has worked pretty well without the ball this season.

Wish he was a Laker.

[NuggetsFan]

Cool, I also said it before he was drafted, and everything I said he'd do (average defense, low shooting %, super low assist rate) was spot on.

It was quoted a day or two ago.

So, yeah.

Wiggins isn't a chucker. Makes no sense calling him that considering pretty much everybody who watched him at Kansas/early in the year wanted him to be more aggressive and utilize his talent. It's a good thing he's shooting more, even if it's not always efficient right now. LeBron/Durant/Melo didn't shoot the lights out as rookies either :confusedshrug:

Melo's an awful comparison for Wiggins, and calling Wiggins a chucker suggests you don't watch him play.

[Deltron3030]

He's 19. In 10 years he'll be in his prime still lol. Cmon man. Judge him in 2-3 year when he's playing for a contract.

[ImKobe]

It's not about the overall numbers, it's the eye test. Dude has the package to be an elite scorer and he certainly will be one in the future but he needs to improve his handles and playmaking skills, which you will see him do in the next 2-3 years.

[ScarSymmetry]

Not a great scorer

Not a great defender

Not a great passer

Not a great PER

Not a great playmaker

Not a great winner


Seems to be the same unspectacular player he was in college. :confusedshrug:

How this forum still exists is beyond me. I guess the NBA has a lot of pre-pubescent fans.

Post after post of blatant trolling that isn't remotely insightful, witty or funny.

You're a Dion Waters fan and post this....just wow.

:facepalm

[Harison]

OP is just trolling :confusedshrug:

Wiggins will easily be a perennial All-star, and likely even a superstar. His scoring arsenal is already better than 95% of NBA players, he is learning to play defense, has a freak athleticism and brains :applause: Wiggins also gives a sh** in games and practice. All that from a raw 19yrs rookie :applause:

Honestly, I think barring injuries he will be bigger star than Harden currently is. The only question, if he will reach Durant/Lebron level IMO.

[upside24]

Why do you make these threads?

90% of the time you're wrong. The other 10% is essentially times you can't be wrong due to kicking a player while he is down or generally picking a player no one believes in from the get go.

Look at your dumbass Dion and Kyrie threads. That should be enough for you to know you suck at assessing any type of basketball talent.
Rep.

[upside24]

He is a freak athlete who dominated lesser opponents in high school and to an extent in college.

He is going to have to develop skills like ballhandling, working effectively as an individual defender and team defender and develop an offensive feel and skillset.

Greats like LeBron and MJ were far beyond their years but some take time. Look at Curry. He had his injuries but he developed into the monster he is today with time, experience and training.

It all depends on if Wiggins wants to live up to the hype or if getting checks is enough to satisfy him.

[Profound]

Man gotta hand it to this guy he's consistent, at making terrible threads, predictions and analysis of players :applause:.

[upside24]

Man gotta hand it to this guy he's consistent, at making terrible threads, predictions and analysis of players :applause:.
He is the LeBron of posting shitty threads.

[LoneyROY7]

OP holding so many f*cking Ls I can barely breathe.

[PleezeBelieve]

Wiggins bout to dip under a 13 PER after tonight's sterling 11 points on 11 shots performance.

:roll:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Wiggins bout to dip under a 13 PER after tonight's sterling 11 points on 11 shots performance.

:roll:

Every player in league history has had a bad game. Shut the **** up.

[knicksman]

Wiggins bout to dip under a 13 PER after tonight's sterling 11 points on 11 shots performance.

:roll:

its really time to admit youre a dumbass bro

[PleezeBelieve]

I remember when this board said Bradley Beal was the next Ray Allen because he was putting up average stats in 35 MPG at 19 years old.

Two years later, no one cares about him.

You people are fukkin stupid.., as usual. Bunch of empty rhetoric. I got stats. I got facts. All to support the obvious, that this guy is way more Jane than Tarzan.

Hes not a great shooter, ball handler, passer, or scorer.

If he wasn't 6'8, he'd be in the CBA

[PleezeBelieve]

Every player in league history has had a bad game. Shut the **** up.
You fukkin punk :oldlol: ... crying over an overrated, overhyped Canadian. :lol :lol :lol

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You fukkin punk :oldlol: ... crying over an overrated, overhyped Canadian. :lol :lol :lol

You're acting as though a 19 year old rookie having a bad game proves that he won't amount to anything. You're an idiot.

[PleezeBelieve]

You're acting as though a 19 year old rookie having a bad game proves that he won't amount to anything. You're an idiot.
This guy was hyped as the next Michael Jordan and LeBron James as recently as 15 months ago.

He's nothing close to that, which is the point of my thread.

[knicksman]

andrew wiggins per36 16.3 on .436 FG%
dion waiters =15 on .391

time to admit youre a dumbass bro

[24-Inch_Chrome]

This guy was hyped as the next Michael Jordan and LeBron James as recently as 15 months ago.

He's nothing close to that, which is the point of my thread.

Don't pretend that LeBron had a great rookie year. It's still far too early to determine how good Wiggins will turn out to be. 3/4 of a season, especially a rookie season, isn't nearly enough to trash someone over.

[PleezeBelieve]

Don't pretend that LeBron had a great rookie year. It's still far too early to determine how good Wiggins will turn out to be. 3/4 of a season, especially a rookie season, isn't nearly enough to trash someone over.
This guy said LeBron"s rookie year wasn't all that great :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[yeaaaman]

I remember when this board said Bradley Beal was the next Ray Allen because he was putting up average stats in 35 MPG at 19 years old.

Two years later, no one cares about him.

You people are fukkin stupid.., as usual. Bunch of empty rhetoric. I got stats. I got facts. All to support the obvious, that this guy is way more Jane than Tarzan.

Hes not a great shooter, ball handler, passer, or scorer.

If he wasn't 6'8, he'd be in the CBA

So based on the numbers posted by guards and wings who have won rookie of the year since 2003, here's how Wiggins stacks up:

Between Lebron, Chris Paul, Brandon Roy, Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard and Michael Carter-Williams Wiggins:

- Scores less than the others (5ppg less than the leader, Lebron)
- Rebounds at a rate in the middle of the pack
- Has the lowest assist rate
- Has the lowest usage rate
- Has a lower lower field goal % than only Evans, Irving, Rose and Roy
- Is behind only Lillard, Roy and Irving in 3-point %

I think it's fair to say he can play. I don't think PER is the be all end all of a player not even full through their rookie year, especially one who has shown the type of improvement he has.

That's what people look for. What tools do they have to improve, someone lacking many tools to improve, it's understandable to say they may not have a high ceiling. Wiggins has all the tools and is trending upwards, I don't see any reason he won't continue to do so.

What reason do you have, other than his current PER, which I'm understanding you to think will remain static?

[PleezeBelieve]

So based on the numbers posted by guards and wings who have won rookie of the year since 2003, here's how Wiggins stacks up:

Between Lebron, Chris Paul, Brandon Roy, Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard and Michael Carter-Williams Wiggins:

- Scores less than the others (5ppg less than the leader, Lebron)
- Rebounds at a rate in the middle of the pack
- Has the lowest assist rate
- Has the lowest usage rate
- Has a lower lower field goal % than only Evans, Irving, Rose and Roy
- Is behind only Lillard, Roy and Irving in 3-point %

I think it's fair to say he can play. I don't think PER is the be all end all of a player not even full through their rookie year, especially one who has shown the type of improvement he has.

That's what people look for. What tools do they have to improve, someone lacking many tools to improve, it's understandable to say they may not have a high ceiling. Wiggins has all the tools and is trending upwards, I don't see any reason he won't continue to do so.

What reason do you have, other than his current PER, which I'm understanding you to think will remain static?
Wiggins is not in any of those players class. He's not burdened with bring a playmaker at all and I'm sure his assisted FG% dwarfs those other players. Thats why his overall FG% is not to be talked about when compared to the players you listed.

PER is applicable because he plays MAJOR minutes and has all the freedom in midst of a 48 minute game to do his thing,

[Harison]

To put in the context, Wiggins looks better than a rookie Kobe (or even sophomore!), that shows an amazing upside. Kobe worked his ass off to become a superstar, its up to Wiggins how well he develops.

[Relinquish]

By using the eye test and the stats test, I have come to the conclusion that he is better than Waiters.