Clippers traded the pick that would become kyrie for mo williams

[JohnMax]

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6153550

"The drill is, as always, is 'Is the player you're getting back more valuable than the potential you could get in the draft?'" said Clippers general manager Neil Olshey. "Our analysis at this point in February is that it was more valuable to get a 28-year-old All-Star point guard that we have for the next few years, cap flexibility to make sure we take care of business and re-sign DeAndre Jordan and have flexibility to take care of Eric Gordon as well, as opposed to speculating on another kid that's 19 years old with one year of college experience.

"And I'm not that high on the draft to begin with this year."
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[Eric Cartman]

To be fair, Mo did score 52 points this season.

[navy]

So in the end it was all an elaborate plot from Dan Gilbert to upgrade Mo Williams to Kyrie Irving.

CavsFTW you got it right on the money man.

[iamgine]

But because of that they acquired CP. If they had Kyrie they'd not acquired CP.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Mo is vastly underrated because of being Lebron's sidekick. He completely changed the Hornets team this year when he joined em, impact player.


Having said that, yea Kyrie is better, but does Chris Paul get traded to the Clips with Kyrie and EG at the 1 and 2? People thought Gordon was the next Wade at the time, pre injury.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:(

[Jud]

The trade came out to be Kyrie and Baron Davis for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon.

Davis and Moon aren't in the league anymore and Kyrie is miles better than Mo. Cavs won this trade by light years.

[CavaliersFTW]

So in the end it was all an elaborate plot from Dan Gilbert to upgrade Mo Williams to Kyrie Irving.

CavsFTW you got it right on the money man.
http://www.inthenowinvestments.com/real-estate-news/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Dan-Gilbert-of-Quicken-Loans-is-Buying-up-more-Downtown-Detroit-Buildings.jpg

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255389&page=2

It's true.

[RedBlackAttack]

The trade came out to be Kyrie and Baron Davis for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon.

Davis and Moon aren't in the league anymore and Kyrie is miles better than Mo. Cavs won this trade by light years.
It was one of the best trades of the last decade. Gets very little publicity because the Clippers went on to sign CP3, but Chris Grant validated his entire tenure as GM with the Cavs by just making this one killer move, imo. It was that good.

Another thing that made it great was the Clippers were so desperate to rid themselves of BD's contract... after the lock-out, the Cavs were able to amnesty his deal completely the following season. :oldlol:

[SwishSquared]

It was one of the best trades of the last decade. Gets very little publicity because the Clippers went on to sign CP3, but Chris Grant validated his entire tenure as GM with the Cavs by just making this one killer move, imo. It was that good.

Another thing that made it great was the Clippers were so desperate to rid themselves of BD's contract... after the lock-out, the Cavs were able to amnesty his deal completely the following season. :oldlol:I guess the CP3 acquisition keeps this trade from getting talked about more often. Was this Olshey's worst move as a GM to date? I mean the Clippers ended up being fine but in a vacuum, this trade is up there with worst of modern era.

[kurple]

it was also to dump baron davis, wasnt it?

[ButterFace]

They needed more protection on that pick. Never trade a potential #1 pick for a guy like Mo.

[SwishSquared]

Wasn't the situation like they gave up an unprotected first to dump Davis (and get back Mo) b/c they thought that they had a really good shot to make the playoffs? They ended up missing the playoffs and the pick luckily became #1 after the ping pong balls bounced CLE's way.

[bdreason]

If the Clippers kept the pick it wouldn't have been #1. Only the Cavs get #1 picks every year.

[warriorfan]

If the Clippers kept the pick it wouldn't have been #1. Only the Cavs get #1 picks every year.


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[Akrazotile]

I guess the CP3 acquisition keeps this trade from getting talked about more often. Was this Olshey's worst move as a GM to date? I mean the Clippers ended up being fine but in a vacuum, this trade is up there with worst of modern era.


Youre looking at it through the prism of hindsight, where the chance of that pick becoming #1 is 100%. At the time of the trade the pick had about a 6% chance of becoming #1.

The merits of the trade at the time and the merits of it afterward are drastically different due to nothing but the improbable luck of how a particular ping pong ball landed.

[SwishSquared]

Youre looking at it through the prism of hindsight, where the chance of that pick becoming #1 is 100%. At the time of the trade the pick had about a 6% chance of becoming #1.

The merits of the trade at the time and the merits of it afterward are drastically different due to nothing but the improbable luck of how a particular ping pong ball landed.Well, that's how we evaluate things historically, right? We see what the end result was. They traded the pick thinking they were gonna sneak into the playoffs and if not, they'd lose a meh pick in a draft they supposedly didn't like. I still find it reckless to not have any protections on the draft pick. Don't you agree? They obviously didn't expect that to be the outcome, but you gotta cover yourself somewhat. Similar to OKC making their pick top 18 protected this year...gotta play the odds just in case.

[Akrazotile]

Well, that's how we evaluate things historically, right? We see what the end result was. They traded the pick thinking they were gonna sneak into the playoffs and if not, they'd lose a meh pick in a draft they supposedly didn't like. I still find it reckless to not have any protections on the draft pick. Don't you agree? They obviously didn't expect that to be the outcome, but you gotta cover yourself somewhat. Similar to OKC making their pick top 18 protected this year...gotta play the odds just in case.


I guess altho the main point of the trade was to dump Baron Davis. Cleveland didnt do the trade because they wanted Davis, they just wanted that pick. So maybe the Clippers tried to protect it and just couldnt get the deal done that way.

I was critical of the trade at the time, since it looked like the Cllippers were giving up a decent pick just to save money, which was in line with Sterling's M.O. But there's no way to reasonably predict that pick goes #1 so while you could say it wasnt a great trade at the time it was made, cant really say it was historically bad from the perspective of when it happened IMO.

[Magic731]

If the Clippers don't acquire Mo, maybe they win or lose more games and such finish in a different spot on the standings. There are so many variables to a trade like this. It's completely unfair to put this on the Clippers.

[SwishSquared]

I guess altho the main point of the trade was to dump Baron Davis. Cleveland didnt do the trade because they wanted Davis, they just wanted that pick. So maybe the Clippers tried to protect it and just couldnt get the deal done that way.

I was critical of the trade at the time, since it looked like the Cllippers were giving up a decent pick just to save money, which was in line with Sterling's M.O. But there's no way to reasonably predict that pick goes #1 so while you could say it wasnt a great trade at the time it was made, cant really say it was historically bad from the perspective of when it happened IMO.
I agree with maybe they couldn't get that deal done unless pick had no protections and the main point was to get rid of B-Diddy and get back some PG as a place-holder.

I still think you have to give Olshey (or whomever pulled trigger) blame and evaluate that as a really bad trade, even on a historical scale. I mean if the Harden trade never happens, I think this trade gets a whole lot more hate. Sure, they didn't intend to or anticipate to win the lotto (or definitively miss the playoffs) with their pick, but the end result is that the Clippers got shafted in that deal, but made amends by having enough assets to trade for CP3. I understand your reasoning for the trade evaluation at time deal was made (which is sensible, btw), but it ended up being near-disastrous for that franchise.

[Darius]

Clippers traded the pick that had an 8% chance to become kyrie for mo williams

Fixed that for you