Wasn't ISH Pro Wall>>>Irving

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wha....wha.....what happened?

[Fudge]

Kyrie was always better than Wall, IMO.

[IncarceratedBob]

Everyone remembered that Mr. Wall can't shoot for shit and is basically just Derrick Rose w/o the finishing ability. Good player, not great.

[Dragic4Life]

Wall actually plays defense.

[ButterFace]

Irving had a great game. ISH overreacted. Not much of a mystery here.

[avonbarksdale]

wall > kyrie

kyrie is phil kessel

he can score, cant do much else

[Milbuck]

Wall is a great player. His team is pretty garbage outside of him and the coaching is weak, dude is just burned out carrying so much weight. They overachieved like crazy last year. I don't know if they crack 20 wins without him.

It's a close comparison. Depends on what you need. Kyrie is clearly a better scorer, and a way better fit on the Cavs next to Lebron. If you don't have someone like Lebron and you need someone to get everyone involved, play an all-around game..Wall is a better option.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wall actually plays defense.

Aside from getting s.hit on by Parker, Irving has been playing defense most of the year pretty well.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kyrie was always better than Wall, IMO.

Agreed. I just always thought it was funny how pro-Wall this place was. Anywhere else it was a 50/50 debate. But on ISH, Wall was treated as some type of demigod. Wall is a nice player, and someone that can advance you in the playoffs. But Irving is a bad motherf.ucker. Maybe the clutchest player in the league

[navy]

I'd take Wall if I had a team of good for nothing scrubs. But Kyrie is so clutch and your ideal second option guard. But he's so young when he finally is first option material he'll be scary.

[Genaro]

Kyrie improved a lot this year. I don't know if it is playing with Lebron, playing for a winning team or just natural improve from one year to another but he definitely did.

Before this year he was a great player already but had a lot of trouble with decision making and healthy issues. Wall had more success than him in previous years so it isn't strange people changing their opinion.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Wall just got worn out trying to carry that team.

Irving frankly never proved he could carry a team by himself at all.

[FatComputerNerd]

Wall is the better traditional PG with his size, and pass-first mentality.

Kyrie is just such a dynamic player overall that he transcends criteria like that.

[Smoke117]

I'll still take Wall. Much, much better defensive player and can actually run his team. Kyrie is a premier scorer in this league...yes we know. Too bad he's bad to average at every other aspect of basketball. Wall just needs to continue working on the jump shot and decision making.

[Solefade]

Wall is a great player. His team is pretty garbage outside of him and the coaching is weak, dude is just burned out carrying so much weight. They overachieved like crazy last year. I don't know if they crack 20 wins without him.

It's a close comparison. Depends on what you need. Kyrie is clearly a better scorer, and a way better fit on the Cavs next to Lebron. If you don't have someone like Lebron and you need someone to get everyone involved, play an all-around game..Wall is a better option.


i agree with this, I think individually Kyrie is better though

[RoseCity07]

Irving is very talented on the offensive side of the ball but I'm taking John Wall.

Better defender and distributer. He makes an huge impact even if his shot isn't falling.

[USABall]

Irving took a dump on Serbia as well.. I appreciate his game but we should save some appreciation for when/if he does it deep in the playoffs

[WallIn]

Where was Cleveland without Lebron, Mozgov, Smith, Love etc.?

I'd take Wall over Irving 10 times out of 10 in the currently constructed Bullets team.

[oarabbus]

Imagine John Wall playing next to LeBron :eek:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wall just got worn out trying to carry that team.

Irving frankly never proved he could carry a team by himself at all.

Best players he played with pre-LeBron was always-injured Varejao and Thompson. Wall has more talent last year in Washington than Irving could ever dream of in Cleveland.

[Cocaine80s]

Imagine John Wall playing next to LeBron :eek:
That would be pretty terrible honestly

They basically play the same game except wall is a lot smaller

[Paul George 24]

Wha....wha.....what happened?
wall can play defence:banana:

[Droid101]

LeBron family abandons ship when Silkk says Kyrie is actually good. Hilarious little lemmings.

[warriorfan]

Wha....wha.....what happened?


we need a link to a wall kyrie thread at least

[Vman23]

It depends on your roster. Wall would do more with less because he actually makes his teammates better. Wall is better than Irving at every facet of the game except scoring, but if your team needs a go to scorer than Wall is not the guy to fill that role.

[RedBlackAttack]

Imagine John Wall playing next to LeBron :eek:
It would be a train wreck. Honestly, among the Top 25 or so players in the league, I can't think of a worse combination than Wall/James. They'd be ridiculous in transition. That's pretty much it.

Halfcourt would be a total jumble-f#ck.


Btw, John Wall is two years older than Irving. That needs to be taken into consideration. Amazing that Kyrie is as skilled as he is at 22 freaking years old.

[GimmeThat]

It would be a train wreck. Honestly, among the Top 25 or so players in the league, I can't think of a worse combination than Wall/James. They'd be ridiculous in transition. That's pretty much it.

Halfcourt would be a total jumble-f#ck.


Btw, John Wall is two years older than Irving. That needs to be taken into consideration. Amazing that Kyrie is as skilled as he is at 22 freaking years old.


Mike Brown would tell you that the Princeton offense would solve it beautifully.

[Legends66NBA7]

Anywhere else it was a 50/50 debate. But on ISH, Wall was treated as some type of demigod.

I agree that Wall was treated like a "demigod" here, but so did Irving at one point or another too.

Both are overrated to a point.