View Full Version : You can't win the MVP when you have a teammate that scores 37 in a quater or 57 total
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 05:37 PM
That's why it should be Harden or Westbrook.
Surprising how few people can grasp the concept of VALUABLE.
Not best, not most talented, not the most handsome, the most VALUABLE player.
Agreed.
Although let's be real Westbrook will have Durant, last years MVP.
Droid101
03-13-2015, 05:54 PM
I disagree it should be most handsome.
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 05:55 PM
I disagree it should be most handsome.
It should be a combination of most handsome and biggest dick size.
Solefade
03-13-2015, 05:58 PM
you also can't win MVP if you're not in the playoffs, incredible stats that don't result in wins don't mean anything...
The only bulletproof case for MVP right now is James Harden and would say there's a gap but LeBron is 2nd
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 06:01 PM
you also can't win MVP if you're not in the playoffs, incredible stats that don't result in wins don't mean anything...
The only bulletproof case for MVP right now is James Harden and would say there's a gap but LeBron is 2nd
Nikka you think OKC isn't gonna be in the playoffs? :kobe:
It's a 100% they do, gonna get raped in the postseason most likely.
Solefade
03-13-2015, 06:05 PM
Nikka you think OKC isn't gonna be in the playoffs? :kobe:
It's a 100% they do, gonna get raped in the postseason most likely.
lol you think it's 100% guaranteed in the West? What happens if OKC goes into a big slump when KD and WB try to adjust to each other? you can't rule that out especially with the rise of the Pelicans..
Kblaze8855
03-13-2015, 06:18 PM
Bird won it the same year Mchale had a 56/16 game. Nash won MVP the year Amare had 50...and averaged like 38 a game vs the Spurs in the playoffs and gave them 40+ in the regular season too. I believe the year Cowens won MVP Hondo had a 57 point playoff game...which I think still has the field goals made record in the playoffs.
It happens. It will happen again.
ButterFace
03-13-2015, 06:19 PM
Hot to accumulate negs
You learn quickly.
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 06:19 PM
lol you think it's 100% guaranteed in the West? What happens if OKC goes into a big slump when KD and WB try to adjust to each other? you can't rule that out especially with the rise of the Pelicans..
"Adjust to each other?"
They've been playing together forever.
They ain't in new teams :roll:
Bird won it the same year Mchale had a 56/16 game. Nash won MVP the year Amare had 50...and averaged like 38 a game vs the Spurs in the playoffs and gave them 40+ in the regular season too. I believe the year Cowens won MVP Hondo had a 57 point playoff game...which I think still has the field goals made record in the playoffs.
It happens. It will happen again.
:applause:
:applause:
Whose your mvp. :coleman:
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 07:30 PM
You learn quickly.
Funny that you say that, I jumped ship to the green, similar to how Lebron jumped ship to Miami and then Cleveland.
Bird won it the same year Mchale had a 56/16 game. Nash won MVP the year Amare had 50...and averaged like 38 a game vs the Spurs in the playoffs and gave them 40+ in the regular season too. I believe the year Cowens won MVP Hondo had a 57 point playoff game...which I think still has the field goals made record in the playoffs.
It happens. It will happen again.
Shouldn't be that way though. The MVP stands for Most VALUABLE Player. It isn't called "Best player, on the best team"
knicksman
03-13-2015, 07:35 PM
let bran win them. So he would be among the embarrassing players of all time. 5 MVPs for just a 2/5
Solefade
03-13-2015, 07:38 PM
"Adjust to each other?"
They've been playing together forever.
They ain't in new teams :roll:
oh so you're just going to ignore how WB's game has slightly changed without KD? lol
you out here calling people trolls and shit when you're probably one of the dumbest posters in the thread
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 07:39 PM
Bird won it the same year Mchale had a 56/16 game. Nash won MVP the year Amare had 50...and averaged like 38 a game vs the Spurs in the playoffs and gave them 40+ in the regular season too. I believe the year Cowens won MVP Hondo had a 57 point playoff game...which I think still has the field goals made record in the playoffs.
It happens. It will happen again.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Michael-Scott-What-reaction-gifrific.gif
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 07:40 PM
oh so you're just going to ignore how WB's game has slightly changed without KD? lol
you out here calling people trolls and shit when you're probably one of the dumbest posters in the thread
That may be so, but you have the #1 spot on lock.
RedBlackAttack
03-13-2015, 07:47 PM
MVPs definitely shouldn't be able to play great alongside other great players. That's clearly against the rules.
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 07:53 PM
MVPs definitely shouldn't be able to play great alongside other great players. That's clearly against the rules.
If you have an all star team around you, where they could replace you with a average player and still have similar success, then how are you more valuable than a guy carrying a bunch of scrubs to a top 4 seed in the West?
Take Harden out of the Rockets and they don't even sniff the playoffs.
Not to mention their coach is awful.
let bran win them. So he would be among the embarrassing players of all time. 5 MVPs for just a 2/5
Knicks =
1 MVP
2 Championships
8 Finals
68 seasons
Knicks past 16 seasons =
0 MVPs
0 Championships
0 Finals
Droid101
03-13-2015, 07:55 PM
Knicks =
1 MVP
2 Championships
8 Finals
68 seasons
pauk =
0 Jordan flops found
MavsSuperFan
03-13-2015, 07:55 PM
That's why it should be Harden or Westbrook.
Surprising how few people can grasp the concept of VALUABLE.
Not best, not most talented, not the most handsome, the most VALUABLE player.
lol you make that argument and you include a guy who has durant as a teammate
pauk =
0 Jordan flops found
88 to be exact....
But 1 Jordan flop? LOL... You can find Jordan flops everywhere:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jordan+flop
It should be a combination of most handsome and biggest dick size.
Serge Ibaka da real MVP
Handsome ✔
Big dick ✔
oh so you're just going to ignore how WB's game has slightly changed without KD? lol
you out here calling people trolls and shit when you're probably one of the dumbest posters in the thread
Says the guy who just said Kyrie Irving is better than Allen Iverson :yaohappy:
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 08:01 PM
lol you make that argument and you include a guy who has durant as a teammate
Nikka has been in street clothes half the season, even when he has played he wasn't his usual self.
KevinNYC
03-13-2015, 08:14 PM
Bird won it the same year Mchale had a 56/16 game.
I was just thinking this one. MVP is a season award. A game is a game.
Though it helped when Bird dropped 60 like 10 days later.
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 08:21 PM
I was just thinking this one. MVP is a season award. A game is a game.
Though it helped when Bird dropped 60 like 10 days later.
Kblaze conveniently leaves that part out :roll:
Psileas
03-13-2015, 08:51 PM
Kblaze conveniently leaves that part out :roll:
Didn't Curry almost match Thompson's 52 after a few games as well?
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 08:53 PM
Didn't Curry almost match Thompson's 52 after a few games as well?
Yet he didn't match it, not to mention he didn't come close to the 37 point quarter, which is the important part here.
Psileas
03-13-2015, 08:59 PM
Yet he didn't match it, not to mention he didn't come close to the 37 point quarter, which is the important part here.
I don't see why it's so important. Just because it's mentioned by the OP?
Here's another one: Can the MVP play in the same team with someone who scored 43 pts on 16-17 FG's in 31 minutes?
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 09:03 PM
I don't see why it's so important. Just because it's mentioned by the OP?
Here's another one: Can the MVP play in the same team with someone who scored 43 pts on 16-17 FG's in 31 minutes?
Is that Dwight or KD? In Harden's case, he has carried his team and deserves praise, Kyrie has been dominant all year, if Dwight Howard had 1 fluky game and then sat out 40 games I would not discredit Harden for it, instead I'd praise him for carrying that much of a slack, same with Westbrook with KD's.
RoundMoundOfReb
03-13-2015, 09:04 PM
http://s8.postimg.org/yezfcr7id/letsbereal.jpg
Psileas
03-13-2015, 09:05 PM
Neither. It's '91 Jordan and Pippen. Just wanted to make clear how unimportant judging from 1 game really is.
ZMonkey11
03-13-2015, 09:12 PM
Damn...So Shaq had Kobe and never deserved his MVP.
Kobe had Pau and didn't deserve his MVP...
KD didn't deserve his MVP...
Was there any point Kareem scored above 40 when Magic won his first MVP?
Pippen's career high was 47 points in 1997...hmmm...so every Jordan MVP is a fraud...
THE HORROR!!!
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 09:15 PM
Neither. It's '91 Jordan and Pippen. Just wanted to make clear how unimportant judging from 1 game really is.
Fine you right :coleman:
plowking
03-13-2015, 09:27 PM
:applause:
You're literally applauding him dismantling your opinion. :oldlol:
You're one of the idiots that said Curry shouldn't win MVP because of Klay. Now you're applauding it because it suits the Bron agenda. :oldlol:
Kblaze8855
03-13-2015, 11:29 PM
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I didnt say it would happen this year. Though it well may considering Lebron and Curry are two of the 4 most likely to get it.
Kblaze conveniently leaves that part out :roll:
I assumed a forum full of basketball fans knew the story. I once made a topic on it....Larry Birds career high game feels like something ISH should be aware of.
Not that it mattered. Bird had that MVP wrapped up no matter what. He won 3 straight....his team went like 50-1 at home that year. They won 67 games. It may have been the best team of all time...3 hall of famers in the front court...a hall of fame point...a hall of fame 6th man...and a soon to be all star in addition. Nobody had a problem with Bird winning MVP. It was fairly hard to dispute absurdly talented team or not.
He got 73 of 78 first place votes.
Eric Cartman
03-13-2015, 11:33 PM
I didnt say it would happen this year. Though it well may considering Lebron and Curry are two of the 4 most likely to get it.
I assumed a forum full of basketball fans knew the story. I once made a topic on it....Larry Birds career high game feels like something ISH should be aware of.
Not that it mattered. Bird had that MVP wrapped up no matter what. He won 3 straight....his team went like 50-1 at home that year. They won 67 games. It may have been the best team of all time...3 hall of famers in the front court...a hall of fame point...a hall of fame 6th man...and a soon to be all star in addition. Nobody had a problem with Bird winning MVP. It was fairly hard to dispute absurdly talented team or not.
He got 73 of 78 first place votes.
Thanks for the info, didn't know much about that team.
Guess there is a precedent for this kind award then, with that in mind, I'm giving the MVP to Stephen Curry.
Kblaze8855
03-13-2015, 11:57 PM
To me....Currys team isnt even that good from an individual player aspect. People so often cant seem to see the difference between chemistry and individual talent. Its a good team...with some good players. Talent wise? Its Curry....an all star teammate...and some high end role players who could be more on a bad team.
Klay is hardly exceptional as a #2. Hes not on any all time list of best second options. There have been teams he would be the 4th or 5th best player on. And I dont mean decades ago...I mean lately...I dont think we need to be acting like hes absurdly great for a #2.
Hes a very good second option.
I dont think hes the type of player we just disqualify teammates from major awards over.
Im not sure hes as good as Wade was in 2012. Better than Wade in 13 and 14...probably.
But hes not some epic number 2.
bdreason
03-14-2015, 12:01 AM
Can't give the MVP to losing teams... I don't care how well a player is playing. Thunder aren't even a playoff team at the moment.
And didn't LeBron win MVP's playing with a top 5 SG and top 5 PF? Who you are playing with doesn't have much to do with winning MVP.
That said, I still think Harden is MVP, as long as the Rockets can hold on to HCA.
k0kakw0rld
03-14-2015, 01:35 AM
let bran win them. So he would be among the embarrassing players of all time. 5 MVPs for just a 2/5
How many players have won that trophy again? oh yea both Harden and Westbrook did not win anything.
dunksby
03-14-2015, 02:46 AM
Irving has had two 50+ games this season, he has thrived playing within a better team and under a good coach.
Connor B
03-14-2015, 05:58 PM
If you have an all star team around you, where they could replace you with a average player and still have similar success, then how are you more valuable than a guy carrying a bunch of scrubs to a top 4 seed in the West?
If you think the Warriors or Cavs would be nearly as good without Steph or Lebron and replaced with average players than you are the dumbest ****ing person on this forum.
Eric Cartman
03-14-2015, 06:19 PM
If you think the Warriors or Cavs would be nearly as good without Steph or Lebron and replaced with average players than you are the dumbest ****ing person on this forum.
If you replace Bran, with say, Luol Deng, they'd easily be a top 4 seed, considering Love's production would go through the roof.
With Steph Curry, they might not even make the playoffs, given how tough the West is, hence why is the MVP:
1a. Curry
1b. Harden
3. Bran
If you replace Bran, with say, Luol Deng, they'd easily be a top 4 seed, considering Love's production would go through the roof.
With Steph Curry, they might not even make the playoffs, given how tough the West is, hence why is the MVP:
1a. Curry
1b. Harden
3. Bran
I agree, Miami sure are doing fine with that replacement.... no change at all.... still going on their 27 game winning streaks and champ favorites and all....
FLDFSU
03-14-2015, 09:28 PM
I agree, Miami sure are doing fine with that replacement.... no change at all.... still going on their 27 game winning streaks and champ favorites and all....
:applause: :applause:
scandisk_
03-14-2015, 11:23 PM
You're literally applauding him dismantling your opinion. :oldlol:
You're one of the idiots that said Curry shouldn't win MVP because of Klay. Now you're applauding it because it suits the Bron agenda. :oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :roll: pauk u da real MVP :lol
Droid101
03-14-2015, 11:26 PM
I agree, Miami sure are doing fine with that replacement.... no change at all.... still going on their 27 game winning streaks and champ favorites and all....
Stay mad that bran picks the most stacked teams (in the East of course) to join.
Your idol is a ***** bitch.
Eric Cartman
03-15-2015, 12:40 AM
I agree, Miami sure is doing fine with that replacement.... no change at all.... still going on their 27 game winning streaks and champ favorites and all....
Fixed.
Also:
Irving/Delly
J.R. Smith/Shumpert
Luol Deng/James Jones/Mike Miller
Kevin Love/ Thompson
Mozgov/ ????
That's a 4th seed in the East.
Deng has been good in Miami, probably their only consistent one during the season (playing and health wise).
Better than the Wizards and Bucks for sure.
KevinNYC
03-15-2015, 01:15 AM
Kblaze conveniently leaves that part out :roll:
Actually I agree with Kblaze that one game by a teammate is meaningless in terms of the MVP and borderline trolling
Solefade
04-22-2015, 08:12 PM
Nikka you think OKC isn't gonna be in the playoffs? :kobe:
It's a 100% they do, gonna get raped in the postseason most likely.
come and take your L
ArbitraryWater
04-22-2015, 08:15 PM
I agree, Miami sure are doing fine with that replacement.... no change at all.... still going on their 27 game winning streaks and champ favorites and all....
Cartman, I think pauk left something for you..
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah306/MaleRuler/GIFs/iWBJ4KrtSYtq2_zps8jzbwzj5.gif
TemporaMutantur
04-22-2015, 08:16 PM
Uh, Corey Brewer scored 51 just last year, no?
Houston is STACKED. :banana:
ShawkFactory
04-22-2015, 08:22 PM
Why let team circumstances determine how valuable a player is?
Just because Klay scored 37 in a quarter or Kyrie had 2 50 point games doesn't mean Lebron and Curry aren't still very valuable players.
What you're basically saying is that an MVP shouldn't come from a good team. Which is stupid.
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