Greatest sidekick of all time: Pippen vs Kobe

[Dragic4Life]

Who ya got?

For me, it's Kobe hands down. Pippen was more like a 1b option rather than a true 2nd option.

But yeah, Kobe Bryant is the GOAT 2nd option, 3-peat and lack of FMVP proved that.

[Lebronxrings]

I would go with kobe. Was the second option of 2 very succesful duos with 1st options, shaq and gasol. His ego did cost them some games tho. :facepalm

[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://i.giphy.com/tdkx9be2XuHAs.gif

[imdaman99]

Still more alpha than betabran

[HOoopCityJones]

Dwade was better than both.

[DonDadda59]

Both better than Bron in 2011. Flash deserved better than that.

During his legendary 8 point game in the finals, Wade had to alpha the shit out of him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emXNsKw7a3w)... still didn't work.

But hey at least he played his sidekick role to a tee during Kyrie's ATG performance the other night :applause:

[IncarceratedBob]

Pippen 6 rings as sidekick

[Quickening]

Pippen 6 rings as sidekick
Yes 6>5

[Beastmode88]

Kobe > Pippen > Bran

[Dragic4Life]

Pippen 6 rings as sidekick
I would say Pippen is more of a 1b than a true sidekick.

[GrapeApe]

I would say Pippen is more of a 1b than a true sidekick.

If you look up sidekick in the dictionary it says "Scottie Pippen". That's no knock on him, he was a great player, but he was the consummate sidekick. Great floor game, defense, and intangibles, and he knew how to play his role perfectly. Kobe was much closer to a 1b than Pippen. 1a and 1b refers to scoring and Kobe was obviously the better scorer, but I think Pippen was a better overall sidekick.

[AnaheimLakers24]

5> 2
81> 61
7 inches > 4 inches
vanessa > mrs porky

[DonDadda59]

I would say Pippen is more of a 1b than a true sidekick.

Bron on some 1P bullshit:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg~original

Sidekick to the sidekick's sidekick.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Bron on some 1P bullshit:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg~original

Sidekick to the sidekick's sidekick.

http://i.imgur.com/PfmMlJW.gif

[Cali Syndicate]

Kobe was hardly a sidekick role in 2001 or 2002.

Kobe 2000 vs pippens career? Pip easily. Pip could complement any....any, player. Can't really say that with Kobe.

[ImKobe]

lol cmon bro...

[Akrazotile]

I would say Pippen is more of a 1b than a true sidekick.


Was going to make this exact point.

Pippen's all around game made him a legit 1st option type of player, he just happened to be paired up with MJ. Without MJ, Pippen still won 50+ and a playoff series.

Kobe is more of a true sidekick, in that he cannot lead a team anywhere as "the guy" but was a secondary contributor on a number of success teams.

Kobe > Pippen as a sidekick

Pippen > Kobe overall

[Mr Feeny]

lol cmon bro...So you think Pippen too?:(

6 sidekick rings > 3 sidekick rings :banana:

[Mr Feeny]

Was going to make this exact point.

Pippen's all around game made him a legit 1st option type of player, he just happened to be paired up with MJ. Without MJ, Pippen still won 50+ and a playoff series.

Kobe is more of a true sidekick, in that he cannot lead a team anywhere as "the guy" but was a secondary contributor on a number of success teams.

Kobe > Pippen as a sidekick

Pippen > Kobe overall

Kobe was not a bad sidekick tbf. He got 3 rings as a sidekick.
although, agreed on the last point. Pippen is better than Kobe overall:D

[DetroitPistonFan]

What about Magic Johnson? He has 5 NBA titles as a sidekick. Kobe was only a sidekick with the first 3 you idiots.

[20Four]

Who ya got?

For me, it's Kobe hands down. Pippen was more like a 1b option rather than a true 2nd option.

But yeah, Kobe Bryant is the GOAT 2nd option, 3-peat and lack of FMVP proved that.
How insecure are you that Kyrie has ALWAYS been the man while LeBRONZE is his sidekick?

[DonDadda59]

What about Magic Johnson? He has 5 NBA titles as a sidekick. Kobe was only a sidekick with the first 3 you idiots.

:biggums:

Magic has 3 season MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs. Kobe has 1 and 2 respectively. Magic accomplished a lot of that with Kareem as a teammate. The most significant individual award Bean won while interning for Shaq was a dunk contest his rookie season :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

:biggums:

Magic has 3 season MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs. Kobe has 1 and 2 respectively. Magic accomplished a lot of that with Kareem as a teammate. The most significant individual award Bean won while interning for Shaq was a dunk contest his rookie season :oldlol:

:biggums:

Kobe without Shaq = 3 finals and 2 FMVPs

Magic never won without Kareem

but I forgot.. that double standard only applies to Kobe :rolleyes:

[DonDadda59]

:biggums:

Kobe without Shaq = 3 finals and 2 FMVPs

Magic never won without Kareem

but I forgot.. that double standard only applies to Kobe :rolleyes:

:facepalm

Magic won Finals MVP his rookie season with one of the greatest performances in Sports History when Kareem went down and was out. Kareem was a shell of himself when Magic was leading them to championships/finals in the late 80s. And he won MVP and led the team to the finals after Kareem left. Then his career was cut short for obvious reasons.

Magic was the best player on the Lakers when Kareem was on the squad and when he wasn't... Bean was only the man when Shaq promoted him from intern.

[KungFuJoe]

Kobe was the Spurs killer though. He owned them.

[Milbuck]

:biggums:

Magic has 3 season MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs. Kobe has 1 and 2 respectively. Magic accomplished a lot of that with Kareem as a teammate. The most significant individual award Bean won while interning for Shaq was a dunk contest his rookie season :oldlol:
Yes, because Magic would be racking up the MVPs and FMVPs playing next to peak Shaq instead of mid-30s to early 40s Kareem :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

Yes, because Magic would be racking up the MVPs and FMVPs playing next to peak Shaq instead of mid-30s to early 40s Kareem :oldlol:

When did I say he would? :confusedshrug:

What point are you trying to make exactly? And for the record, Magic did in fact win Finals MVP his rookie season playing alongside a Kareem coming off an MVP regular season. Saved the Lakers when Cap went down and it looked like they were finished.

But Bean winning the dunk contest is just as impressive.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes, because Magic would be racking up the MVPs and FMVPs playing next to peak Shaq instead of mid-30s to early 40s Kareem :oldlol:

He obviously wasn't peak Shaq, but Kareem was still an MVP candidate and First team All-NBA caliber player at 37-38 years old

[SouBeachTalents]

When did I say he would? :confusedshrug:

What point are you trying to make exactly? And for the record, Magic did in fact win Finals MVP his rookie season playing alongside a Kareem coming off an MVP regular season.

While Magic did have that legendary performance to win Game 6, Kareem really should have won Finals MVP that year

[DonDadda59]

While Magic did have that legendary performance to win Game 6, Kareem really should have won Finals MVP that year

But he didn't win because he went out with an injury and a rookie played all 5 positions (starting at center) and closed out the series when everyone had counted them out after they lost the regular season MVP.

[Milbuck]

When did I say he would? :confusedshrug:

What point are you trying to make exactly? And for the record, Magic did in fact win Finals MVP his rookie season playing alongside a Kareem coming off an MVP regular season. Saved the Lakers when Cap went down and it looked like they were finished.

But Bean winning the dunk contest is just as impressive.
Did you not bring up Magic winning his awards with Kareem, while Kobe only got a dunk contest trophy with Shaq? How is it not relevant what state Kareem and Shaq were in at the time?

[Lebron23]

http://www.clap.name/images/havlicekjohn.jpg

8x NBA Champion Doe.

[truhooper]

Kobe

[Wade's Rings]

But he didn't win because he went out with an injury and a rookie played all 5 positions (starting at center) and closed out the series when everyone had counted them out after they lost the regular season MVP.

Kareen was going to win Finals MVP even after Magic's Epic Game 6. The Voters picked Magic because Kareem wasn't at the Arena (he stayed behind after Game 5). They didn't want to give the award to an empty chair so Magic got it. Had Kareem just traveled with the Team and attended the Game he would've gotten the Finals MVP.

[DonDadda59]

Did you not bring up Magic winning his awards with Kareem, while Kobe only got a dunk contest trophy with Shaq? How is it not relevant what state Kareem and Shaq were in at the time?

Because the original post I replied to claimed Magic was a sidekick for all of his 5 rings. I simply pointed out that Magic won 3 MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs with Kareem as a teammate while Kobe only won a dunk contest with Shaq as his. Sucks for Kobe that he played with a peak/past peak Shaq and was always the second fiddle and won no significant individual awards. But like I already pointed out, Magic won finals MVP in his rookie season when Kareem was coming off a regular season MVP... which still trumps Bean's dunk contest win... but only by a smidge :lol


Kareen was going to win Finals MVP even after Magic's Epic Game 6. The Voters picked Magic because Kareem wasn't at the Arena (he stayed behind after Game 5). They didn't want to give the award to an empty chair so Magic got it. Had Kareem just traveled with the Team and attended the Game he would've gotten the Finals MVP.

You have any proof of this?

[Wade's Rings]

You have any proof of this?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301909

[Marchesk]

http://www.clap.name/images/havlicekjohn.jpg

8x NBA Champion Doe.

I'll raise you 10:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0128/bos_g_jones_800.jpg

[DonDadda59]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301909

Even if it's true (not saying it's not), has anyone besides Bill Livingston come forward with anything tangible? How does a TV broadcaster 'coerce' a journalist to change an MVP vote? Again, not saying it isn't true or that Kareem wasn't MVP worthy, obviously he was... Just sounds like a 9/11 trutheresque conspiracy to me.

But maybe I just need to do more research on the matter.

[Milbuck]

Because the original post I replied to claimed Magic was a sidekick for all of his 5 rings. I simply pointed out that Magic won 3 MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs with Kareem as a teammate while Kobe only won a dunk contest with Shaq as his. Sucks for Kobe that he played with a peak/past peak Shaq and was always the second fiddle and won no significant individual awards. But like I already pointed out, Magic won finals MVP in his rookie season when Kareem was coming off a regular season MVP... which still trumps Bean's dunk contest win... but only by a smidge :lol
I ignored that post for obvious reasons. But you didn't "simply point it out", come on now lol. You were clearly taking a shot at Kobe not racking up the hardware during his time with Shaq. While intentionally leaving out the fact that the majority of Magic's awards with Kareem came when Kareem was in his mid-30s to early 40s, and Kobe's time with Shaq came during Shaq's prime/peak. No one is disputing that Magic's game 6 was legendary...but I just think it's pretty amusing how you're willing to bring up that game, and then on the other hand sum up Kobe's time with Shaq with that dunk contest joke :oldlol:

[Wade's Rings]

Even if it's true (not saying it's not), has anyone besides Bill Livingston come forward with anything tangible? How does a TV broadcaster 'coerce' a journalist to change an MVP vote? Again, not saying it isn't true or that Kareem wasn't MVP worthy, obviously he was... Just sounds like a 9/11 trutheresque conspiracy to me.

But maybe I just need to do more research on the matter.

When I first found out about it there was an Article on it with more information but I can't find that now.

[coin24]

Bran only won 2 rings as a sidekick what are you talking about OP:lol
GOAT LePiggybacker

Then jumps onto another stacked team, beta baby di.ck

[Smoke117]

Bran only won 2 rings as a sidekick what are you talking about OP:lol
GOAT LePiggybacker

Then jumps onto another stacked team, beta baby di.ck

Did Lebron rape your mother or something?

[coin24]

Did Lebron rape your mother or something?


Don't think he's raping much with that shrivelled cashew:lol

[Hey Yo]

:facepalm

Magic won Finals MVP his rookie season with one of the greatest performances in Sports History when Kareem went down and was out. Kareem was a shell of himself when Magic was leading them to championships/finals in the late 80s. And he won MVP and led the team to the finals after Kareem left. Then his career was cut short for obvious reasons.

Magic was the best player on the Lakers when Kareem was on the squad and when he wasn't... Bean was only the man when Shaq promoted him from intern.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

:facepalm

[Hey Yo]

When did I say he would? :confusedshrug:

What point are you trying to make exactly? And for the record, Magic did in fact win Finals MVP his rookie season playing alongside a Kareem coming off an MVP regular season. Saved the Lakers when Cap went down and it looked like they were finished.

But Bean winning the dunk contest is just as impressive.
Jamaal Wilkes and his 37pts, 10 rebounds in game 6 had a little it to do with that saving, no?

[20Four]

Did Lebron rape your mother or something?
nah but leBRONZE raped you...look at all the love you give him

[Human Error]

Pippen > Kevin McHale > Kobe

[Beastmode88]

If pippen was 1b why did jordan have to score 41 ppg IN THE FINALS to win a ring?

[SamuraiSWISH]

If pippen was 1b why did jordan have to score 41 ppg IN THE FINALS to win a ring?
:applause:

Kobe in 2001, and 2002 wasn't LA's best player. But he damn sure wasn't a side piece. Guy was totally dominating, and closing teams out in a part of the game where Shaq essentially became a liability.

That's not a helper. That's a go to guy who just doesn't happen to be the team's best player or leader.

[Beastmode88]

:applause:

Kobe in 2001, and 2002 wasn't LA's best player. But he damn sure wasn't a side piece. Guy was totally dominating, and closing teams out in a part of the game where Shaq essentially became a liability.

That's not a helper. That's a go to guy who just doesn't happen to be the team's best player or leader.

I'd be a lebron stan if he pulled off a 40 ppg last year over the spurs.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

nah but leBRONZE raped you...look at all the love you give him

Nah. Only Kobe stans love rapists.

[warriorfan]

Both better than Bron in 2011. Flash deserved better than that.

During his legendary 8 point game in the finals, Wade had to alpha the shit out of him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emXNsKw7a3w)... still didn't work.

But hey at least he played his sidekick role to a tee during Kyrie's ATG performance the other night :applause:


Damn, not even trolling but that's so beta, LeBron doesn't even make eye contact the entire time.

[JohnFreeman]

6 beats 5

[jstern]

I terms of basketball players, Kobe. In terms of being a sidekick, Scottie. Scottie just everything that was needed of him.

[DetroitPistonFan]

Nah. Only Kobe stans love rapists.
So LeBron loves rapists?

[Ne 1]

While Magic did have that legendary performance to win Game 6, Kareem really should have won Finals MVP that year
Funny thing is Magic wasn't even close to being "the man" on the 1980 Lakers, in fact, Kobe was actually closer to Shaq in 2001 and 2002 than Magic was to Kareem in 1980. Magic won 2 rings as the undisputed best player on the Lakers yet all 5 Magic's rings "count" but only 2 of Kobe's rings "count." :oldlol: Also Kareem was actually the real 1980 Finals MVP: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301909

[Showtime2001]

Funny thing is Magic wasn't even close to being "the man" on the 1980 Lakers, in fact, Kobe was actually closer to Shaq in 2001 and 2002 than Magic was to Kareem in 1980. Magic won 2 rings as the undisputed best player on the Lakers yet all 5 Magic's rings "count" but only 2 of Kobe's rings "count." :oldlol: Also Kareem was actually the real 1980 Finals MVP: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301909
That double standard doe. :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Funny thing is Magic wasn't even close to being "the man" on the 1980 Lakers, in fact, Kobe was actually closer to Shaq in 2001 and 2002 than Magic was to Kareem in 1980. Magic won 2 rings as the undisputed best player on the Lakers yet all 5 Magic's rings "count" but only 2 of Kobe's rings "count." :oldlol: Also Kareem was actually the real 1980 Finals MVP: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301909

shut it down yo

[dubeta]

Kobe only shot 40% in his finals and didn't provide the rebounding, defense, and playmaking of Pippen

however, kobe was a good sidekick for Gasol, even though he nearly cost 2010 with his putrid Game 7 performance

[Showtime2001]

Kobe only shot 40% in his finals and didn't provide the rebounding, defense, and playmaking of Pippen

however, kobe was a good sidekick for Gasol, even though he nearly cost 2010 with his putrid Game 7 performance
So much salt

http://waitingfornextyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Kobe-Bryant.jpg
http://www.mktesportivo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Kobe-Bryant-2010-NBA-Finals-MVP1.jpg

:yaohappy:

[3ball]

Opposing players used to disparage and disrespect Pippen like he was not a good player.

That kind of think never happened with Kobe - i.e. no one snickered and implied that Kobe was overrated like Isiah did about Pippen on Open Court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h07m33s

Bill Laimbeer: "We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordannaires - and you can't win championships like that with only 1 player."


No one said this kind of stuff about Kobe.

[Smoke117]

Opposing players used to disparage and disrespect Pippen like he was not a good player.

That kind of think never happened with Kobe - i.e. no one snickered and implied that Kobe was overrated like Isiah did about Pippen on Open Court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h07m33s

Bill Laimbeer: "We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordannaires - and you can't win championships like that with only 1 player."


No one said this kind of stuff about Kobe.

You realize the Pistons/Bulls rivalry was before Pippen really reached stardom right? As I pointed out before...Bill is basically saying you can't win championships with just one star...and the Bulls didn't. Pippen developed and became a star. What Laimbeer has to say here is irrevelent because the only season you could legitimately call Pippen a star during their rivalry was 91. (and the pistons were raped)

Now stop being such a stupid bastard.

[HOoopCityJones]

Opposing players used to disparage and disrespect Pippen like he was not a good player.

That kind of think never happened with Kobe - i.e. no one snickered and implied that Kobe was overrated like Isiah did about Pippen on Open Court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h07m33s

Bill Laimbeer: "We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordannaires - and you can't win championships like that with only 1 player."


No one said this kind of stuff about Kobe.

Rat poison

[sd3035]

bran will make a decent sidekick to Kyrie before he declines much further

[Beastmode88]

bran will make a decent sidekick to Kyrie before he declines much further

Brans already a side kick. Just look at the game vs the spurs the other night.

[Showtime2001]

He was a terrible sidekick in 2011 if he had done his part Wade would be a 2 time finals MVP.

[Height Freak]

Better player: Kobe
Better sidekick/teammate : Pippen