LeBron on Kevin Love: "Everybody gets so caught up in scoring.We have enough scoring"

[Kidbasketball20]

Earlier this season, Love and James clashed publicly over how aggressively Love should try to adapt his game to fit the Cavaliers' preferred playing style. James suggested again Saturday that the process hasn't necessarily been easy for anyone, including Love, because of all of the moving parts.

"I think it's a work in progress for all of us still, probably a little more for him," James said as the Cavaliers prepare for their final 15 games. "The biggest thing is that Kevin is very, very, very good basketball player. And in order for us to be very successful ultimately, we need him to play at a higher level. That doesn't mean scoring. Everybody gets so caught up in scoring. We have enough scoring. It's not about one individual scoring the ball. It's about doing everything else."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12483848/kevin-love-says-cleveland-cavaliers-recent-success-helped-cope-personal-struggles

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LeLeader

[scandisk_]

Put him in his place bran :applause:

[stalkerforlife]

LeSelfish. LeHoldTheWhiteManDown.

Love will be LeLeaving and Bran will stay LeChoking.

[RightToCensor]

So if you don't want Kevin Love to score what do you want him to do? Play defense?

:yaohappy:

This nikka is gonzo after this season.

[CavaliersFTW]

Unbelievable. This guy wants Kevin Love, one of the best rebounders and inside out players in the league, to become his spot up bail-out shooter and screen setter!?

What a ****ing waste of Love's abilities.

Feed Love the ball 5 more possessions a game. Just 5. Let the man touch the ball so he can do his thing FFS.

[coin24]

Bye bye kevin:lol

Stupid cavs gave away wiggins for nothing:lol they don't even use love properly I bet he can't wait to get outta there!!!

[pauk]

Yep, well said.

[FireDavidKahn]

Unbelievable. This guy wants Kevin Love, one of the best rebounders and inside out players in the league, to become his spot up bail-out shooter and screen setter!?

What a ****ing waste of Love's abilities.

Feed Love the ball 5 more possessions a game. Just 5. Let the man touch the ball so he can do his thing FFS.
He is talking about Love's defense, brah:oldlol:

[RightToCensor]

I'm officially on the bandwagon of Wiggins being more valuable than Cavaliers' Kevin Love.

This shit is getting ridiculous how much they misuse the man, then you go and not play him in the 4th Quarter. We need to start clearing cap to sign Kevin Love.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Hilarious. Make this guy play off-ball with limited touches. See if he would be singing the same tune. :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

He is talking about Love's defense, brah:oldlol:
Perhaps he should ask Kyrie to post everyone up. You know, for the team. He should ask Mozgov to become the teams 3 point specialist. It's the little things you know, not all about scoring.

Way to play to the strengths of the talent around you. Why convince Kevin Love to come to the Cavs if you wanted him for defense

:biggums:

[tpols]

Unbelievable. This guy wants Kevin Love, one of the best rebounders and inside out players in the league, to become his spot up bail-out shooter and screen setter!?

What a ****ing waste of Love's abilities.

Feed Love the ball 5 more possessions a game. Just 5. Let the man touch the ball so he can do his thing FFS.

Don't see what so unbelievable about that... he did the exact same thing to bosh

[pauk]

Kevin is not dumb, he didnt come there to score 26 ppg.... he came there to win, he knows he plays with two players who have better scoring ability than him.... and they are very unselfish, they will utilize him and whoever has it going especially like last game will be having more touches..... one day its him, one day kyrie and one day Lebron (mostly Lebron as he being the best player there will find it easier to score more often than not compared to them), from then on the scoring is covered, its ALWAYS covered one way or the other for Cavs..... its only everything else that is not always covered, when it could be and can be covered every game with EFFORT... now for the other guys its just to find ways to complement and put up the energy left where its needed.... hustling, rebounding, defending... just put some effort for gods sake...

Do you want to win or not? Then find ways to always complement your teammates.... See why the Spurs are doing so well? They are the best example of what im talking about.... I always chuckle at how their team play just gives the finger to hero ball teams.... did you see what Kyrie & Lebron had to do last game to win? They had to make miracles..... and Spurs were just chilling and playing their smart team game....

[knicksman]

this is the reason why bran is 2/5. Not making his teammates happy/better because his game needs adjustment from other players unlike kobe/jordan who can fit with other players.

[RightToCensor]

Don't see what so unbelievable about that... he did the exact same thing to bosh
Bosh at least played crunch time. Kevin Love may be bad at defense, but there are ways to hide him rather than not making adjustments other than letting Lebron guard whoever he wants.

It's a shame that Deandre Jordan is more reliable to get 4th Quarter minutes than Kevin FREAKING Love.

[knicksman]

Kevin is not dumb, he didnt come there to score 26 ppg.... he came there to win, he knows he plays with two players who have better scoring ability than him.... and they are very unselfish, they will utilize him and whoever has it going especially like last game will be having more touches..... one day its him, one day kyrie and one day Lebron (mostly Lebron as he being the best player there will find it easier to score more often than not compared to them), from then on the scoring is covered, its ALWAYS covered one way or the other for Cavs..... its only everything else that is not always covered, when it could be and can be covered every game with EFFORT... now for the other guys its just to find ways to complement and put up the energy left where its needed.... hustling, rebounding, defending... just put some effort for gods sake...

Do you want to win or not? Then find ways to always complement your teammates.... See why the Spurs are doing so well? They are the best example of what im talking about....

Then he should set the example. If he doesnt really care about stats, then he shouldve the same statline as the boston big 3. 20ppg each but the team winning 60+ and a ring in their first year. But he wont. He cares more about stats thus 2/5.

[FireDavidKahn]

Perhaps he should ask Kyrie to post everyone up. You know, for the team. He should ask Mozgov to become the teams 3 point specialist. It's the little things you know, not all about scoring.

Way to play to the strengths of the talent around you. Why convince Kevin Love to come to the Cavs if you wanted him for defense

:biggums:
LeBron isn't a good GM, brah. Should have kept Wiggins.

[pauk]

this is the reason why bran is 2/5. Not making his teammates happy/better because his game needs adjustment from other players unlike kobe/jordan who can fit with other players.

this guy :facepalm

[RightToCensor]

What excuse is there not to play Kevin Love in the 4th Quarter? So what he's slow on rotations defensively, the man in a superstar that consistently averages 12 rebounds per game, he'll figure out a way to get the stop.

[navy]

Bosh at least played crunch time. Kevin Love may be bad at defense, but there are ways to hide him rather than not making adjustments other than letting Lebron guard whoever he wants.

It's a shame that Deandre Jordan is more reliable to get 4th Quarter minutes than Kevin FREAKING Love.
It's extremely hard to hide interior players. Which is why defense is more important for bigs than it is for guards.

[pauk]

Then he should set the example. If he doesnt really care about stats, then he shouldve the same statline as the boston big 3. 20ppg each but the team winning 60+ and a ring in their first year. But he wont. He cares more about stats thus 2/5.

He does set the example.... Lebron used to average like 30-7-9 without the help of such offensive scorers like Kyrie/Love..... and at the moment (especially in Miami) he became MUCH better than he ever was there..... you really think the stats he has now is the best he can do? If Lebron was in his 2003-2009 Cavs supporting cast with the skills he has now he would average lets just say more than 30 ppg.......

...and i dont know why you question his leadership or experience in that regard, he won 2 championships by setting that example and went to 5 Finals........

Wait did i say i dont know? I know, you are a damn Lebron hater.... the only thing i dont know is WHY i am trying to have an objective basketball conversation with you.... like speaking to a damn wall... you dont like him, i get it.... excuse me!

[RightToCensor]

It's extremely hard to hide interior players. Which is why defense is more important for bigs than it is for guards.
If Dallas can hide Dirk, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Memphis can hide Zach, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Golden State can hide Lee, Cleveland can hide Love.

If New York can hide Carmelo, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Lebron wasn't butt-buddies with TT then Kevin would get more minutes at PF rather than making him play C. He's a playing more minutes at Center than Power Forward this season. You've got Mozgov, you've got Perkins, use them.

[navy]

If Dallas can hide Dirk, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Memphis can hide Zach, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Golden State can hide Lee, Cleveland can hide Love.

If New York can hide Carmelo, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Lebron wasn't butt-buddies with TT then Kevin would get more minutes at PF rather than making him play C. He's a playing more minutes at Center than Power Forward this season. You've got Mozgov, you've got Perkins, use them.
Zach Randolph doesnt belong with those others.

Golden State cant hide lee, they bring him off the bench. And they played better with him not starting due to not being able to hide him.

You basically exposed the reasons those other teams are struggling. An inability to hide Melo and Dirk on defense.

Kevin Love has played center in one or two games max for short minutes. What are you smoking. :biggums:

[GrapeApe]

I know the Bosh comparison has been done to death, but how many players in NBA history have gone from being a first option to a third option in the prime of their career? It's a nearly unprecidented adjustment. It shouldn't be suprising that both Bosh and Love struggled to adapt to their role or that their teams struggled to utilize them properly. It's unfair to point the finger at anyone specifically. It's a unique and difficult situation for all involved.

[Hey Yo]

Quote from Love in that article that no one bothered to read.


"It's still a work in progress, but I think I've figured it out a little better," said Love, who has leaned on advice former coach and executive Kevin McHale once gave him while in Minnesota. "It's like McHale used to tell me: Just go where they ain't. Just go out there and try to space the floor as best as I can."

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

[Hey Yo]

If Dallas can hide Dirk, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Memphis can hide Zach, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Golden State can hide Lee, Cleveland can hide Love.

If New York can hide Carmelo, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Lebron wasn't butt-buddies with TT then Kevin would get more minutes at PF rather than making him play C. He's a playing more minutes at Center than Power Forward this season. You've got Mozgov, you've got Perkins, use them.
Why not just say you don't watch Cavs games?

[pauk]

What excuse is there not to play Kevin Love in the 4th Quarter? So what he's slow on rotations defensively, the man in a superstar that consistently averages 12 rebounds per game, he'll figure out a way to get the stop.

That he stood there like a statue offensively was understandable as Lebron/Kyrie were running the show in a situation where Kyrie had it really going (Love could have still attacked the off. boards or something, anyways)... so if the offense is covered like it was the only other biggest complementary thing to that is Effort/Stops/DEFENSE.... if Love is not needed at all offensively and he cant give that "other stuff", then yea, i see why Blatt would try with somebody like Tristan for a bit.... and imo, he made the right choice.... even Diaw was posting Love up all the way down to the rim for easy buckets that game, thats unacceptable for a team who can & wants to win a championship, its just a regular season game but they have to get in the work before playoffs.... Blatt maybe was trying to send him a message there....

[Rose'sACL]

If Dallas can hide Dirk, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Memphis can hide Zach, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Golden State can hide Lee, Cleveland can hide Love.

If New York can hide Carmelo, Cleveland can hide Love.

If Lebron wasn't butt-buddies with TT then Kevin would get more minutes at PF rather than making him play C. He's a playing more minutes at Center than Power Forward this season. You've got Mozgov, you've got Perkins, use them.
mavs only had dirk in games because he was lethal from mid range and could create the space to get the shot off. love can't do that.
carmelo is a perimeter player. also knicks are a bad example anyways.
zach is servicable.
warriors can't hide lee on defense. there is a reason he is not starting.

[LakersDaBEst]

"Everybody gets so caught up in scoring"

Still bitter that Kyrie dropped 57 points :lol :lol :lol

[Real14]

Lebron just get worse and worse everytime he talks:facepalm

[Hey Yo]

this guy :facepalm
He's not a Knicks fan btw, so don't waste your time throwing historic Knicks facts at him.

Just another Kobe stan alt

[Prime_Shaq]

The Cavs are rolling right now so I can see why they don't want to make any adjustments. My only problem with this Love situation is they don't play him in crunch time minutes.

[navy]

The Cavs are rolling right now so I can see why they don't want to make any adjustments. My only problem with this Love situation is they don't play him in crunch time minutes.
They do, just not when he's a huge liability of defense. More than usual, I mean. It's only happened a few times this year. The last time just happened to be on national tv.

David Blatt clearly isnt an american coach. He has no problem benching a star if he thinks he is better off without him.

[RightToCensor]

Why not just say you don't watch Cavs games?



Kevin Love has played center in one or two games max for short minutes. What are you smoking. :biggums:


This is why Jeff hired me. :yaohappy:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html?mobile=false#advanced_pbp::none

[LoneyROY7]

Love's been exposed this season. Middle-class man's Nick Collison.

[I<3NBA]

Unbelievable. This guy wants Kevin Love, one of the best rebounders and inside out players in the league, to become his spot up bail-out shooter and screen setter!?

What a ****ing waste of Love's abilities.

Feed Love the ball 5 more possessions a game. Just 5. Let the man touch the ball so he can do his thing FFS.
funny thing is, Lebron gives Love more touches than Kyrie ever does.

watch the games again. everytime Kyrie has the ball, he always ignores Love. it's when Lebron has the ball that Love gets the ball.

[Big Cheese]

I love how people are using kevin love to push their anti-Lebron agendas and totally ignoring the fact that they have had one of the top records in the league since Lebron came back and have one of the best offenses in the league despite kevin love not putting up monster stats.

[KNOW1EDGE]

What would be wrong with giving Love the ball in the post 5-8 times a game? Or actually using him on offense? Or running plays to/through him?

Im trying to figure out why Cleveland even traded for Kevin Love if they didn't plan on playing him or utilizing his skills.

They should have kept Wiggins

[LoneyROY7]

What would be wrong with giving Love the ball in the post 5-8 times a game? Or actually using him on offense? Or running plays to/through him?

Im trying to figure out why Cleveland even traded for Kevin Love if they didn't plan on playing him or utilizing his skills.

They should have kept Wiggins

For Wiggins' sake, thank goodness they didn't.

[navy]

This is why Jeff hired me. :yaohappy:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html?mobile=false#advanced_pbp::none
You didnt post anything.

[SwishSquared]

What would be wrong with giving Love the ball in the post 5-8 times a game? Or actually using him on offense? Or running plays to/through him?

Im trying to figure out why Cleveland even traded for Kevin Love if they didn't plan on playing him or utilizing his skills.

They should have kept WigginsThey tried in the SAS game. It didn't work. He had more of an impact with his "court gravity" on offense than he did in trying to score or set up others. And I'm somebody who's consistently said they need to get Love the ball more often in his most effective spots.

To be fair, Love was getting destroyed on both ends. More than usual on defense. His back problems may have been legit, considering Mike Miller had to sprint to tell him to get off a bike, allegedly, to check back into the game. Just wasn't his day and it happened to be on national TV in a marquee match-up.
David Blatt clearly isnt an american coach. He has no problem benching a star if he thinks he is better off without him. +1. He's playing favorites with the media too nowadays, very publicly at that, so he better watch his back lol.

[RightToCensor]

You didnt post anything.
For retards like you, I suggest looking at the Play by Play graph

[navy]

For retards like you, I suggest looking at the Play by Play graph
How about you watch the games. The only time Love got time at center was when Varejao was out and they didnt have Mozgov. :no:

[navy]

+1. He's playing favorites with the media too nowadays, very publicly at that, so he better watch his back lol.

I noticed that too. I remember a game earlier when Lebron sat, he praised Kyries inefficient chucking. Which was odd to me. Basically saying that only Kyrie was trying and something along the lines of going to war with Kyrie. Considering everyone else is a role player seemed like a shot at Love.

Also he straight up doesnt like playing Mozgov in the fourth. Kevin Love gets benched every now and then. Mozgov straight up doesnt play. He might have an easier time hiding Love if he put in Mozgov to try and hide him, but that would mean Thompson would be on the bench and Thompson always gets clutch rebounds.

Will be an interesting playoffs for David Blatt.

[ButterFace]

Hilarious. Make this guy play off-ball with limited touches. See if he would be singing the same tune. :oldlol:

It is more about doing best for the team. Love scoring instead of LeBron is not best for the team.

[SwishSquared]

I noticed that too. I remember a game earlier when Lebron sat, he praised Kyries inefficient chucking. Which was odd to me. Basically saying that only Kyrie was trying and something along the lines of going to war with Kyrie. Considering everyone else is a role player seemed like a shot at Love.

Also he straight up doesnt like playing Mozgov in the fourth. Kevin Love gets benched every now and then. Mozgov straight up doesnt play. He might have an easier time hiding Love if he put in Mozgov to try and hide him, but that would mean Thompson would be on the bench and Thompson always gets clutch rebounds.

Will be an interesting playoffs for David Blatt.His handling of player egos and their roles is much blunter when others walk on egg shells. He may not care if his style drives any players, even Love, away, but at least Kevin's, for the most part, played nice in interviews and talked up team success. Blatt's aggravating certain beat reporters too, to the point where people say he's petty and very sensitive if people question him. Not sure how much is true, but just something else to monitor I guess.

Thompson comes up with insane offensive boards and they have their place in crunch time, but I'm also surprised at the lack of PT for Mozgov down the stretch. I looked up rim protection stats earlier and he's like #9 in terms of opponent FG% at the rim and is now about 9% better than in Denver. But I don't know what TT's are. Mozgov and TT can split those minutes in fourth quarters. I mean they're on a roll so I guess don't mess with the recipe but I agree that Mozgov better hides Love on defense.

[JohnFreeman]

His handling of player egos and their roles is much blunter when others walk on egg shells. He may not care if his style drives any players, even Love, away, but at least Kevin's, for the most part, played nice in interviews and talked up team success. Blatt's aggravating certain beat reporters too, to the point where people say he's petty and very sensitive if people question him. Not sure how much is true, but just something else to monitor I guess.

Thompson comes up with insane offensive boards and they have their place in crunch time, but I'm also surprised at the lack of PT for Mozgov down the stretch. I looked up rim protection stats earlier and he's like #9 in terms of opponent FG% at the rim and is now about 9% better than in Denver. But I don't know what TT's are. Mozgov and TT can split those minutes in fourth quarters. I mean they're on a roll so I guess don't mess with the recipe but I agree that Mozgov better hides Love on defense.
Ok coach

[BlazerRed]

Leselfish Leracist Leholdbackthewhiteguy

[SwishSquared]

Ok coachGood job, good effort.

[RightToCensor]

How about you watch the games. The only time Love got time at center was when Varejao was out and they didnt have Mozgov. :no:
How about you try watching the games. Kevin Love plays center when Mozgov is on the bench. Kevin Love isn't meant to play center at all, Cleveland has misused him all season. TT isn't the ideal first big off the bench when Kevin Love needs you to protect the rim and LeBron needs you to spread the floor and rebound.

[navy]

His handling of player egos and their roles is much blunter when others walk on egg shells. He may not care if his style drives any players, even Love, away, but at least Kevin's, for the most part, played nice in interviews and talked up team success. Blatt's aggravating certain beat reporters too, to the point where people say he's petty and very sensitive if people question him. Not sure how much is true, but just something else to monitor I guess.

Thompson comes up with insane offensive boards and they have their place in crunch time, but I'm also surprised at the lack of PT for Mozgov down the stretch. I looked up rim protection stats earlier and he's like #9 in terms of opponent FG% at the rim and is now about 9% better than in Denver. But I don't know what TT's are. Mozgov and TT can split those minutes in fourth quarters. I mean they're on a roll so I guess don't mess with the recipe but I agree that Mozgov better hides Love on defense.

He doesnt have the respect to do what he wants yet. Doc Rivers can say whatever he wants whenever he wants to. And does. Popovich benches Tony Parker in the clutch all the time and has never once been questioned. Even on offense, which is just bizarre. Like I said, unless the Cavs run the table, the playoffs are going to be really interesting for David Blatt.

Im surprised Blatt doesnt use his starting lineup when it is clearly his best in the crunch time. Matchup dependent on Shumpert and Smith. Thomspon has certainly proven he deserves minutes though.

However, he clearly hasnt been losing many games recently. So there is that.

[navy]

How about you try watching the games. Kevin Love plays center when Mozgov is on the bench. Kevin Love isn't meant to play center at all, Cleveland has misused him all season. TT isn't the ideal first big off the bench when Kevin Love needs you to protect the rim and LeBron needs you to spread the floor and rebound.
Dude ask anyone who watches the games and they will tell you this isnt true. Thompson is the backup center and the center in closing time. Love plays power foward pretty much exclusively now.

[RightTwoCensor]

How about you try watching the games. Kevin Love plays center when Mozgov is on the bench. Kevin Love isn't meant to play center at all, Cleveland has misused him all season. TT isn't the ideal first big off the bench when Kevin Love needs you to protect the rim and LeBron needs you to spread the floor and rebound.
Future Repped

[hawksdogsbraves]

You aren't paying Love max money to set screens and play tough defense :roll:

[Rose'sACL]

lebron james switch on david west for 5-10 mins every game heat played indiana when heat wanted to go small but it is too much to ask kevin love to play Center for a few mins if team wants to go small?

[SwishSquared]

He doesnt have the respect to do what he wants yet. Doc Rivers can say whatever he wants whenever he wants to. And does. Popovich benches Tony Parker in the clutch all the time and has never once been questioned. Even on offense, which is just bizarre. Like I said, unless the Cavs run the table, the playoffs are going to be really interesting for David Blatt.

Im surprised Blatt doesnt use his starting lineup when it is clearly his best in the crunch time. Matchup dependent on Shumpert and Smith. Thomspon has certainly proven he deserves minutes though.

However, he clearly hasnt been losing many games recently. So there is that.True, his overseas accolades don't exactly give him the background to behave however he pleases. Lol on twitter some of those writers were saying Pop is a lot easier to deal with. It'll be interesting to see how Blatt handles the playoffs, whether in the press or his in-game adjustments.

Maybe this whole benching Mozgov thing is to tinker towards end of the season with a small ball lineup? I thought James Jones was glued to the bench in fourth quarters until very recently. Maybe he prefers to maximize athleticism on frontline if Jones is in the game? Idk. I think Mozgov's mins won't be an issue until they lose a big game and playing TT proved to be a mistake or something.

Is it just me or does Shump have some low BBIQ offensively? Dude trucked over a defender like 3 times and got called for charges when he attempted to drive/kick vs. SAS. Small sample size, but you'd think he'd stop after the second attempt haha

[Eric Cartman]

Kevin Love to the Knicks confirmed.

[buddha]

so why did they trade Wiggins for Love then?

[Keno]

i've just recently found out why cavsftw hates lebron, because he passed wilt on the all-time list. :lol

[navy]

True, his overseas accolades don't exactly give him the background to behave however he pleases. Lol on twitter some of those writers were saying Pop is a lot easier to deal with. It'll be interesting to see how Blatt handles the playoffs, whether in the press or his in-game adjustments.

Maybe this whole benching Mozgov thing is to tinker towards end of the season with a small ball lineup? I thought James Jones was glued to the bench in fourth quarters until very recently. Maybe he prefers to maximize athleticism on frontline if Jones is in the game? Idk. I think Mozgov's mins won't be an issue until they lose a big game and playing TT proved to be a mistake or something.

Is it just me or does Shump have some low BBIQ offensively? Dude trucked over a defender like 3 times and got called for charges when he attempted to drive/kick vs. SAS. Small sample size, but you'd think he'd stop after the second attempt haha
It's the losses that will get him. Gonna get ran if they lose while Love is on bench. Which let's face it, will probably happen at least once. Might even force him to play Love the very next game even if it's the wrong decision.

The problem is that Kevin Love can only play one position. Power foward. Mozgov can only play center. Blatt has vey few mix and match capabilities when it come to the two of them so he has to put someone or two of them on the bench.

If Tristan Thompson is up to the task they might have to force him to guard a small foward. The rebounding would be insane. The spacing would be fine since Love can shoot threes. But I dont think Blatt will ever try it.

Now that I think about it, He can move Lebron wherever he wants outside of center. Might try that too vs Atlanta though.

Yeah, he's still doing New York Knick things. Haha, he'll learn.

[Lebron23]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818293/takethathaters.gif

Lealphamale
LeLeadership
Lechampion

[SwishSquared]

It's the losses that will get him. Gonna get ran if they lose while Love is on bench. Which let's face it, will probably happen at least once. Might even force him to play Love the very next game even if it's the wrong decision.

The problem is that Kevin Love can only play one position. Power foward. Mozgov can only play center. Blatt has vey few mix and match capabilities so he has to someone or two on the bench. He can move Lebron wherever he wants outside of center. Might try that too vs Atlanta though.

If Tristain Thompson is up to the task they might have to force him to guard a small foward. The rebounding would be insane. The spacing would be fine since Love can shoot threes. But I dont think Blatt will ever try it.

Yeah, he's still doing New York Knick things. Haha, he'll learn.True, as long as they keep rolling, he'll be fine. It helps that LBJ doesn't not publicly endorse him when asked about him haha. I'm sure they'll lose some high profile game at some point due to Love being benched and he'll overreact, just like you said.

With their roster, you're right, there is very little lineup flexibility, or at least amongst the bigs. I know TT's gotten very good at defending small guys at end of shot clock situations but idk if they'd go that far unless it's just that he would get switched a bunch of times.

I can actually see them going with LBJ at center in a series vs. ATL, which has sometimes used Millsap at C. LBJ would play C for a quick stretch to go on a fast run in Miami very infrequently. Can't do it for more than a couple mins imo though.

Lol maybe it'll get worked out of him with more games as a Cav. I think one reason LBJ has these quotes is he's not actually a great friend of Love. He doesn't seem to be in their post game pics when they say something generic about being a team. Like LBJ, TT, Kyrie, Smith, Shump, etc are all there and Love's left out lol. He's like the Perkins of this team, except Perkins isn't that excluded actually.

[Lebron23]

Leauthority

http://i59.tinypic.com/1rp8bp.jpg

http://images.christianpost.com/full/78291/kevin-love.jpg

If Love wants to be an NBA Champion. He needs to follow the King.

[navy]

True, as long as they keep rolling, he'll be fine. It helps that LBJ doesn't not publicly endorse him when asked about him haha. I'm sure they'll lose some high profile game at some point due to Love being benched and he'll overreact, just like you said.

With their roster, you're right, there is very little lineup flexibility, or at least amongst the bigs. I know TT's gotten very good at defending small guys at end of shot clock situations but idk if they'd go that far unless it's just that he would get switched a bunch of times.

I can actually see them going with LBJ at center in a series vs. ATL, which has sometimes used Millsap at C. LBJ would play C for a quick stretch to go on a fast run in Miami very infrequently. Can't do it for more than a couple mins imo though.

Lol maybe it'll get worked out of him with more games as a Cav. I think one reason LBJ has these quotes is he's not actually a great friend of Love. He doesn't seem to be in their post game pics when they say something generic about being a team. Like LBJ, TT, Kyrie, Smith, Shump, etc are all there and Love's left out lol. He's like the Perkins of this team, except Perkins isn't that excluded actually.

Rookie coach, championship roster. Just his luck.

I guess he should try Thompson Love and Mozgov in the regular season to see how it goes. Unfair to Thompson, but Love and Mozgov certainly arent guarding anyone on the perimeter.

That Atlanta series will the series to look out for. They are going to attack Kevin Love relentlessly. Millsap and Horford are fast and skilled. Golden State also did it, but nobody noticed as Lebron dropped 42 and Lee/Green dont isolate much.

I think Love isnt friends with them. He is a known recluse. Plus, not being racist, he's white. The rest of them have a swag team thing and im sure his clothes dont match. :lol

[SwishSquared]

Rookie coach, championship roster. Just his luck.

I guess he should try Thompson Love and Mozgov in the regular season to see how it goes. Unfair to Thompson, but Love and Mozgov certainly arent guarding anyone on the perimeter.

That Atlanta series will the series to look out for. They are going to attack Kevin Love relentlessly. Millsap and Horford are fast and skilled. Golden State also did it, but nobody noticed as Lebron dropped 42 and Lee/Green dont isolate much.

I think Love isnt friends with them. He is a known recluse. Plus, not being racist, he's white. The rest of them have a swag team thing and im sure his clothes dont match. :lolYeah, I wonder who they would have hired if they waited until after the LBJ letter. I mean, Blatt's earned his stripes overseas and it's not like he's Jacques Vaughn. He had a verbal agreement to be on Kerr's staff before the Cavs hired him. At least they've kept it together enough that he didn't get fired, even in the roughest stretches.

They have some cupcake games coming up so that's the time to try wacky stuff. I'm pretty sure that they have at least 1 game vs. Philly and if LBJ sits, then Blatt should do some crazy line ups.

That's very true- Bud will have his bigs go right at Love. Might be a series where Blatt needs to be on top of things in terms of rotations. Going small and big at right times could spark runs to win a key game. I know that in the recent ATL game, I read that Millsap wasn't actually *that* great when Love guarded him b/c he got too aggressive and forced things, which slowed down Atlanta's offense. LBJ might need to play more PF in that series.

Haha yeah I remember hearing how his best friends in Minny were Brewer and Pekovic, but even Pek said Love's a loner. I could potentially see the swag team/race thing hahahah. Didn't consider that in how he'd fit in with them.

[navy]

Yeah, I wonder who they would have hired if they waited until after the LBJ letter. I mean, Blatt's earned his stripes overseas and it's not like he's Jacques Vaughn. He had a verbal agreement to be on Kerr's staff before the Cavs hired him. At least they've kept it together enough that he didn't get fired, even in the roughest stretches.

They have some cupcake games coming up so that's the time to try wacky stuff. I'm pretty sure that they have at least 1 game vs. Philly and if LBJ sits, then Blatt should do some crazy line ups.

That's very true- Bud will have his bigs go right at Love. Might be a series where Blatt needs to be on top of things in terms of rotations. Going small and big at right times could spark runs to win a key game. I know that in the recent ATL game, I read that Millsap wasn't actually *that* great when Love guarded him b/c he got too aggressive and forced things, which slowed down Atlanta's offense. LBJ might need to play more PF in that series.

Haha yeah I remember hearing how his best friends in Minny were Brewer and Pekovic, but even Pek said Love's a loner. I could potentially see the swag team/race thing hahahah. Didn't consider that in how he'd fit in with them.
Would have gotten Gentry probably. Dude is an offensive mastermind. Although, haha, he would certainly have the team shooting more threes and more creative pick and rolls. Which would probably make people even madder at Loves role than they are now.

Might as well do it in blowouts/semi blowouts. Not like the depth is there to not play the starters.

It's the whiteboy effect. Players see white guys on the court and try things that they normally wouldnt do. Happens to Dirk, Kyle Korver, and the first time I heard about it was when people were explaining Steve Novak's defensive stats. Might have been bballbreakdown, cant remember. Im sure Love gets it all the time.

I remember Tyson Chandler calling him out and saying they were going at Love every time. Tyson hasnt scored a basket outside an alley oop in his life. lol at him attacking Kevin Love.

Although, Blatt made a mistake imo not going big with Mozgov in that Atlanta game.

Haha, the nba is all about fashion these days.

[Lebron23]

Defense is all about effort. Love needs to concentrate on improving his man to man defense, and he needs to be a consistent rebounder like Rodman.

[dubeta]

Wait, so people are blaming LeBron for Love deciding to spot-up 25 feet from the basket? :roll:

[Kingwillball]

With Relatively soft Schedule rest of the way and the Cavs rolling they should really try to work on some good habits and confidence building with Love going into Playoffs.

[knicksman]

He does set the example.... Lebron used to average like 30-7-9 without the help of such offensive scorers like Kyrie/Love..... and at the moment (especially in Miami) he became MUCH better than he ever was there..... you really think the stats he has now is the best he can do? If Lebron was in his 2003-2009 Cavs supporting cast with the skills he has now he would average lets just say more than 30 ppg.......

...and i dont know why you question his leadership or experience in that regard, he won 2 championships by setting that example and went to 5 Finals........

Wait did i say i dont know? I know, you are a damn Lebron hater.... the only thing i dont know is WHY i am trying to have an objective basketball conversation with you.... like speaking to a damn wall... you dont like him, i get it.... excuse me!


Jordan and Magic could average 30-10-10 in a season but they chose not to make teammates happy. Meanwhile bran only sacrificed a few of his stats despite having the best teammates of all time.. Compare that to the boston big 3. And you think hes being a leader? LOL Never knew webster changed the meaning of leader. The greatest winner(russell) dont even have stats to show off. Thats how unselfish russell is. And thats the reason why I hate bran. Coz every ATG sacrificed stats to win yet we have a player being compared to them because of stats. Win more than 2/5 first before being compared to the best.

[305Baller]

Earlier this season, Love and James clashed publicly over how aggressively Love should try to adapt his game to fit the Cavaliers' preferred playing style. James suggested again Saturday that the process hasn't necessarily been easy for anyone, including Love, because of all of the moving parts.

"I think it's a work in progress for all of us still, probably a little more for him," James said as the Cavaliers prepare for their final 15 games. "The biggest thing is that Kevin is very, very, very good basketball player. And in order for us to be very successful ultimately, we need him to play at a higher level. That doesn't mean scoring. Everybody gets so caught up in scoring. We have enough scoring. It's not about one individual scoring the ball. It's about doing everything else."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12483848/kevin-love-says-cleveland-cavaliers-recent-success-helped-cope-personal-struggles

Which means stacked.

[Nash]

Unbelievable. This guy wants Kevin Love, one of the best rebounders and inside out players in the league, to become his spot up bail-out shooter and screen setter!?

What a ****ing waste of Love's abilities.

Feed Love the ball 5 more possessions a game. Just 5. Let the man touch the ball so he can do his thing FFS.
Kevin Love is shooting 43%, do you think he deserves 5 more possessions a game?

I like Kevin Love, I really do and wish he could start performing better but he needs to start shooting better. He is getting exactly the same shots right now as he did with Minny.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Am I the only one who read that as "His defense is the issue"? And that's why he's been benched in the 4th some games, is because of his defense.

Honestly, he's scoring as much as they need him to score, just not doing it in his conventional way. He won't be benched in the 4th if he's making a legit effort on D

[hahaitme]

Isn't he putting up 17/11 or something? And spacing out the other teams 4 so that people who are exceptional at driving (Kyrie, LeBron) have an easier time in the paint? It even helps Mozgov out a bit when K Love is out on the perimeter.

Would be nice if Blatt focused on Love to run the offense through when LeBron or Kyrie are sitting though.

[Prime_Shaq]

http://i59.tinypic.com/1rp8bp.jpg


Birdman boss as fk in that pic.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Isn't he putting up 17/11 or something? And spacing out the other teams 4 so that people who are exceptional at driving (Kyrie, LeBron) have an easier time in the paint? It even helps Mozgov out a bit when K Love is out on the perimeter.

Would be nice if Blatt focused on Love to run the offense through when LeBron or Kyrie are sitting though.
This is really what I want to see. It would just make them so much more lethal to produce through Love when LBJ or Kyrie are out. I hope they experiment over these next 15 games against mostly scrub teams

[JtotheIzzo]

Earlier this season, Love and James clashed publicly over how aggressively Love should try to adapt his game to fit the Cavaliers' preferred playing style. James suggested again Saturday that the process hasn't necessarily been easy for anyone, including Love, because of all of the moving parts.

"I think it's a work in progress for all of us still, probably a little more for him," James said as the Cavaliers prepare for their final 15 games. "The biggest thing is that Kevin is very, very, very good basketball player. And in order for us to be very successful ultimately, we need him to play at a higher level. That doesn't mean scoring. Everybody gets so caught up in scoring. We have enough scoring. It's not about one individual scoring the ball. It's about doing everything else."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12483848/kevin-love-says-cleveland-cavaliers-recent-success-helped-cope-personal-struggles

Kevin Love is the ideal choice for defense then?

Or are we gonna talk about outlet passes?

[ILLsmak]

Hilarious. Make this guy play off-ball with limited touches. See if he would be singing the same tune. :oldlol:

Yeah it's like nah Kevin we have enough cake eaters...

It's true you gotta give the big guy some touches even if they are fake touches. i've seen people give Perk touches at the beginning of a game even if he blew it just because it helped his confidence through the rest of the game.

You gotta get people some scores. Kevin Love isn't an offensive superstar (imo) but he's a weapon. There are plays they can run for him. Some games he's not gonna score... like when both Bron and Kyrie get 30. But it's kind of wack to play a game and only get a few shots. Even if you are balling. Very few players... even some of the better role players, won't stand for that. Being out there without touching the ball is bad for you unless you're one of the few dudes like Dennis Rodman. But even he got touches and they let him jack 3s at certain times.

-Smak

[chips93]

the cavs have the second best offense in the entire league, and we need to change that, to appease one player? **** that, its a team sport.

if whats best for the team is reducing love to a spot up shooter, so be it.

[niko]

Don't see what so unbelievable about that... he did the exact same thing to bosh
Bosh is long and could always play defense. Love never could.

[GimmeThat]

Dion Waiter Can NOT be an Excuse

[StephHamann]

Trading future hall of famer Wiggins for this bum

Hold this L Lebran

[GimmeThat]

Trading future hall of famer Wiggins for this bum

Hold this L Lebran


Love has more hall of fame probability than Irving right now.

[ArbitraryWater]

What a dumb thing to say... first the shit he said on Twitter, now this?

And lol at people defending such a foolish thing to say.

It made no sense. Get him in the post, 'Bron.

[SpanishACB]

is socring really covered though?

they needed a bunch of impossible 3s and Kyrie's best game of the year to bring the game to OT against the Spurs...

it's not like those contested shots are going to go in every other day...

[navy]

is socring really covered though?

they needed a bunch of impossible 3s and Kyrie's best game of the year to bring the game to OT against the Spurs...

it's not like those contested shots are going to go in every other day...
Well it's not everday Kevin Love goes 0-8 inside the paint and gets benched in the fourth. :confusedshrug:

[Pushxx]

Unbelievable. This guy wants Kevin Love, one of the best rebounders and inside out players in the league, to become his spot up bail-out shooter and screen setter!?

What a ****ing waste of Love's abilities.

Feed Love the ball 5 more possessions a game. Just 5. Let the man touch the ball so he can do his thing FFS.

No. LeBron wants his way to be the way of success to improve his legacy. To LeBron it's bad enough Kyrie gets the ball as much as he does lol.

Obviously the Cavaliers have absolutely no idea how to correctly utilize Kevin Love. That's not gonna change for as long as LeBron is on the team. Kevin Love needs a new team.

[sportjames23]

KLove signing with the Lakers confirmed.

[Blue&Orange]

Kevin is not dumb, he didnt come there to score 26 ppg.... he came there to win
He isn't you are. He didn't "come there" he was traded.

[GimmeThat]

if he get that Joakim Noah FT form down in his 2 pt shot attempt

:applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

I wanna hear Red's take on these comments, he's been the biggest advocate for Love this season.

[sd3035]

Bran doesn't want anyone to threaten his stats, pretty sad beta move

[3ball]

If the Cavs win the championship this year, I guarantee that Kyrie will have a bunch of big scoring games where he's the main guy, and hit a bunch of clutch shots along the way - like, it's impossible for the Cavs to win it all this year WITHOUT a ton of big playoff moments and clutch shots from kyrie.

Otoh, Pippen never hit a clutch shot in the playoffs or had a big playoff moment ever - not even one - Jordan had ALL the big playoff moments, and hit ALL The big shots for Bulls.

That's part of the reason Jordan's stats needed to be so much better for him to win his rings than Lebron needed to win his rings - and part of this massive difference WAS all those clutch shots that Jordan hit HIMSELF, as opposed to delegating the clutch play to teammates like Lebron does.

[inclinerator]

If the Cavs win the championship this year, I guarantee that Kyrie will have a bunch of big scoring games where he's the main guy, and hit a bunch of clutch shots along the way - like, it's impossible for the Cavs to win it all this year WITHOUT a ton of big playoff moments and clutch shots from kyrie.

Otoh, Pippen never hit a clutch shot in the playoffs or had a big playoff moment ever - not even one - Jordan had ALL the big playoff moments, and hit ALL The big shots for Bulls.

That's part of the reason Jordan's stats needed to be so much better for him to win his rings than Lebron needed to win his rings - and part of this massive difference WAS all those clutch shots that Jordan hit HIMSELF, as opposed to delegating the clutch play to teammates like Lebron does.
:oldlol:

[hawksdogsbraves]

If the Cavs win the championship this year, I guarantee that Kyrie will have a bunch of big scoring games where he's the main guy, and hit a bunch of clutch shots along the way - like, it's impossible for the Cavs to win it all this year WITHOUT a ton of big playoff moments and clutch shots from kyrie.

Otoh, Pippen never hit a clutch shot in the playoffs or had a big playoff moment ever - not even one - Jordan had ALL the big playoff moments, and hit ALL The big shots for Bulls.

That's part of the reason Jordan's stats needed to be so much better for him to win his rings than Lebron needed to win his rings - and part of this massive difference WAS all those clutch shots that Jordan hit HIMSELF, as opposed to delegating the clutch play to teammates like Lebron does.

What are you even basing this on? Irving has never even sniffed the playoffs in his life, it's not like he's some proven clutch big game performer :oldlol:

[Prime_Shaq]

If the Cavs win the championship this year, I guarantee that Kyrie will have a bunch of big scoring games where he's the main guy, and hit a bunch of clutch shots along the way - like, it's impossible for the Cavs to win it all this year WITHOUT a ton of big playoff moments and clutch shots from kyrie.

Otoh, Pippen never hit a clutch shot in the playoffs or had a big playoff moment ever - not even one - Jordan had ALL the big playoff moments, and hit ALL The big shots for Bulls.

That's part of the reason Jordan's stats needed to be so much better for him to win his rings than Lebron needed to win his rings - and part of this massive difference WAS all those clutch shots that Jordan hit HIMSELF, as opposed to delegating the clutch play to teammates like Lebron does.
:rolleyes:

[GimmeThat]

Dwight Howard actually knew the source of his teammates defensive inefficiency

Not that it wasnt obvious


Edit-
When he was DPOY

[hawksdogsbraves]

Would have gotten Gentry probably. Dude is an offensive mastermind. Although, haha, he would certainly have the team shooting more threes and more creative pick and rolls. Which would probably make people even madder at Loves role than they are now.

Might as well do it in blowouts/semi blowouts. Not like the depth is there to not play the starters.

It's the whiteboy effect. Players see white guys on the court and try things that they normally wouldnt do. Happens to Dirk, Kyle Korver, and the first time I heard about it was when people were explaining Steve Novak's defensive stats. Might have been bballbreakdown, cant remember. Im sure Love gets it all the time.

I remember Tyson Chandler calling him out and saying they were going at Love every time. Tyson hasnt scored a basket outside an alley oop in his life. lol at him attacking Kevin Love.

Although, Blatt made a mistake imo not going big with Mozgov in that Atlanta game.

Haha, the nba is all about fashion these days.

The thing is that when they go big with Mozgov we'll pull him out of the paint. Mozgov is at a huge disadvantage if he's chasing Millsap or Horford out to the three point line.

Playing Love and Mozgov at the same time is a recipe for disaster against the Hawks, Thompson will need to play more minutes, (or like you said LeBron at the 4).

[GimmeThat]

The thing is that when they go big with Mozgov we'll pull him out of the paint. Mozgov is at a huge disadvantage if he's chasing Millsap or Horford out to the three point line.

Playing Love and Mozgov at the same time is a recipe for disaster against the Hawks, Thompson will need to play more minutes, (or like you said LeBron at the 4).

Just make jr smith the most ineffective bruce bowen

Or how fisher gets assigned to chase after ray allen.

[SwishSquared]

What are you even basing this on? Irving has never even sniffed the playoffs in his life, it's not like he's some proven clutch big game performer :oldlol:Not to mention prior to that ridiculous clutch game, he was like 1-12 in those situations this year (although I'd at least guess some of that had to do with getting used to basically a brand new team). He's capable, but he def needs to get a taste of the playoffs before he's crowned a postseason clutch king.

[gilalizard]

Congratulations Kevin Love. You're now a bit player in LeBron's narrative. Welcome to your legacy.

[sportsfan76]

Earlier this season, Love and James clashed publicly over how aggressively Love should try to adapt his game to fit the Cavaliers' preferred playing style. James suggested again Saturday that the process hasn't necessarily been easy for anyone, including Love, because of all of the moving parts.

"I think it's a work in progress for all of us still, probably a little more for him," James said as the Cavaliers prepare for their final 15 games. "The biggest thing is that Kevin is very, very, very good basketball player. And in order for us to be very successful ultimately, we need him to play at a higher level. That doesn't mean scoring. Everybody gets so caught up in scoring. We have enough scoring. It's not about one individual scoring the ball. It's about doing everything else."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12483848/kevin-love-says-cleveland-cavaliers-recent-success-helped-cope-personal-struggles


Sounds like he is picking on him because he is white:rockon:

[sportsfan76]

LeD*ckhead is already planning his excuse for when they get knocked out by Atlanta in May

[3ball]

LeD*ckhead is already planning his excuse for when they get knocked out by Atlanta in May
He does seem to be setting the whole narrative, like "i'm don't have the best offensive moves on this particular team and i'm actually not capable of having big scoring nights like Kyrie, so I'm going to emphasize my all-round game instead of the scoring.. (after all, my scoring ability has always been based more on athleticism, than skillful moves)"

[3ball]

What are you even basing this on? Irving has never even sniffed the playoffs in his life, it's not like he's some proven clutch big game performer :oldlol:


Kyrie has the most advanced offensive moves of anyone on the team.

In the history of basketball, the player with the most advanced moves has always been relied upon for critical shots, since higher-level moves are more necessary to beat good defenses in crunch time.

You'll see - if the Cavs raise the trophy in June, Kyrie WILL have made a ton of big shots, along with several big games and critical playoff moments.

[dubeta]

Kyrie has the most advanced offensive moves of anyone on the team.

In the history of basketball, the player with the most advanced moves has always been relied upon for critical shots, since higher-level moves are more necessary to beat good defenses in crunch time.

You'll see - if the Cavs raise the trophy in June, Kyrie WILL have made a ton of big shots, along with several big games and critical playoff moments.

Pippen was better and more impactful than Love and Irving combined

[Smoke117]

Kyrie has the most advanced offensive moves of anyone on the team.

In the history of basketball, the player with the most advanced moves has always been relied upon for critical shots, since higher-level moves are more necessary to beat good defenses in crunch time.

You'll see - if the Cavs raise the trophy in June, Kyrie WILL have made a ton of big shots, along with several big games and critical playoff moments.

And if this happens, Lebron will still be the best player on the team and the FMVP. Stay salty.

[Kblaze8855]

Otoh, Pippen never hit a clutch shot in the playoffs or had a big playoff moment ever - not even one - Jordan had ALL the big playoff moments, and hit ALL The big shots for Bulls.

Its never been more clear you didnt even watch those teams.

Even ignoring his big defensive plays(Like the steal to end the 1998 finals in a 2 point game or the 3 block sequence to beat the Knicks in I think 93)....he made a lot of big plays that just dont end up on highlight reels because Jordan is always the subject.

He made a number of big plays that just dont come up often. Some of them putting Jordan in position to hit more famous shots.

I remember when Jordan lost it in 97 and Pippen recovered it and dunked on the entire city of Baltimore to win a playoff game.

He hit a running hook to put away the Pacers in game 7. If you dont remember Pippen closing the door on the Knicks like 3 times with transition or end of shot clock late 3s you just dont remember the 90s.

You dont win like the Bulls did when one guy does ALL the big play making.

Scottie was winning games on both ends.

If Jordan stole that ball and dove on the floor to tip it to Kukoc to win the 6th ring it would be one of the most iconic plays in sports history. But Pippen did it so people barely remember it happened.

Im pretty sure Pippen made a game winning 3 in the playoffs when he was a blazer too.

Nobody caring doesnt mean those kinds of plays never happened.

[Smoke117]

Its never been more clear you didnt even watch those teams.

Even ignoring his big defensive plays(Like the steal to end the 1998 finals in a 2 point game or the 3 block sequence to beat the Knicks in I think 93)....he made a lot of big plays that just dont end up on highlight reels because Jordan is always the subject.

He made a number of big plays that just dont come up often. Some of them putting Jordan in position to hit more famous shots.

I remember when Jordan lost it in 97 and Pippen recovered it and dunked on the entire city of Baltimore to win a playoff game.

He hit a running hook to put away the Pacers in game 7. If you dont remember Pippen closing the door on the Knicks like 3 times with transition or end of shot clock late 3s you just dont remember the 90s.

You dont win like the Bulls did when one guy does ALL the big play making.

Scottie was winning games on both ends.

If Jordan stole that ball and dove on the floor to tip it to Kukoc to win the 6th ring it would be one of the most iconic plays in sports history. But Pippen did it so people barely remember it happened.

Im pretty sure Pippen made a game winning 3 in the playoffs when he was a blazer too.

Nobody caring doesnt mean those kinds of plays never happened.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-23187-Dwayne-The-Rock-Johnson-Clappi-UqCk.gif

[3ball]

Even ignoring his big defensive plays(Like the steal to end the 1998 finals in a 2 point game or the 3 block sequence to beat the Knicks in I think 93)....he made a lot of big plays that just dont end up on highlight reels because Jordan is always the subject.


When you have to point out defensive plays, you make my point about Pippen allowing Jordan to take and make all the series-altering shots.

But the funniest thing is that Jordan has more critical defensive plays (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSgyO_GTu60) than Pippen anyway.

But you are like most fans and ignore Jordan's GOAT defense because you are enamored with his GOAT offense (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11021030&postcount=6).





I remember when Jordan lost it in 97 and Pippen recovered it and dunked on the entire city of Baltimore to win a playoff game.


Again, you make my point when the only offensive example you can find is a desperation dunk on a broken play to win a meaningless 1st round game.

To qualify as a big moment, it has to affect the series outcome - this means that if the moment doesn't happen, your team loses the series.. That Pippen dunk didn't affect the series outcome, which is why no one remembers it.. It's amazing that Pippen has never had a series-altering moment in 6 championship runs.





He hit a running hook to put away the Pacers in game 7


wow, you are literally bringing up ANY shot hit down the stretch of a game, and using it as an example - again, when you go into obvious desperation mode and start trying to find ANY shot, that makes MY point, not yours.
.

[AnaheimLakers24]

So if you don't want Kevin Love to score what do you want him to do? Play defense?

:yaohappy:

This nikka is gonzo after this season.
Rockets should throw max at him :coleman:

[AnaheimLakers24]

Bran is 2/5

[sportsfan76]

Bran is 2/5


I don't count that 2007 finals because the entire country knew the cavs had absolutely no shot of beating the spurs which is why they were SWEPT

[knicksman]

Pippen was better and more impactful than Love and Irving combined


Nope. Irving is the reason why bran came back. He knows the former batman is done so he has to find another batman

[knicksman]

I don't count that 2007 finals because the entire country knew the cavs had absolutely no shot of beating the spurs which is why they were SWEPT

still 2/5

[Bigsmoke]

Yep, well said.

God put love on this earth to be a scorer.

[Bandito]

I'm officially on the bandwagon of Wiggins being more valuable than Cavaliers' Kevin Love.

This shit is getting ridiculous how much they misuse the man, then you go and not play him in the 4th Quarter. We need to start clearing cap to sign Kevin Love.
Rockets with Love? That won't even be just man.

[sportsfan76]

is Love not playing on purpose because of what lebron said?

[HOoopCityJones]

If Love goes to the Rockets and Dwight gets healthy , that'd be total ass rape. Dwight makes up for what Love lacks and maybe he can get back into his scoring groove. Even with Parsons gone and Ariza replacing him, his offensive impact as a third option is missed. Would be less of a work load on Harden as well.

[sportsfan76]

still 2/5


stop posting until tomorrow

[Kblaze8855]

When you have to point out defensive plays, you make my point about Pippen allowing Jordan to take and make all the series-altering shots.

But the funniest thing is that Jordan has more critical defensive plays (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSgyO_GTu60) than Pippen anyway.

But you are like most fans and ignore Jordan's GOAT defense because you are enamored with his GOAT offense (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11021030&postcount=6).



Again, you make my point when the only offensive example you can find is a desperation dunk on a broken play to win a meaningless 1st round game.

To qualify as a big moment, it has to affect the series outcome - this means that if the moment doesn't happen, your team loses the series.. That Pippen dunk didn't affect the series outcome, which is why no one remembers it.. It's amazing that Pippen has never had a series-altering moment in 6 championship runs.



wow, you are literally bringing up ANY shot hit down the stretch of a game, and using it as an example - again, when you go into obvious desperation mode and start trying to find ANY shot, that makes MY point, not yours.
.


When you say :



Pippen never hit a clutch shot in the playoffs or had a big playoff moment ever - not even one -

And are presented with title sealing steals, playoff game winning dunks, and series sealing plays it doesnt make your point. It shows you are factually incorrect.

If a steal on on the final play to end the NBA finals....and a playoff game winning drive/dunk....and shots in game 7 to seal it and send your team to the finals arent clutch or big moments....you are just rewriting common basketball terminology because youre a Jordan cheerleading idiot who likely doesnt even remember the time in question.

Scottie Pippen won big games with huge plays...for years.








Down 2 final game of the series 10 seconds left on the clock...win or go home elimination game. Scottie strolls up disregards the play and:


http://i61.tinypic.com/2my6r04.gif



Series winning 3 in Russells eye.

Making:


Pippen never hit a clutch shot in the playoffs or had a big playoff moment ever - not even one -


Verifiability false. But of course....every single person who watched Pippen play knew that to begin with.

Love Jordan all you want. I love Jordan.

But reality is what it is.

Pippen made plays in the playoffs his entire career. He wasnt Jordan. Few were. But your claim is just flat out bullshit.

[3ball]

Pippen made plays in the playoffs his entire career.


lol - EVERYONE has made plays genius.. But Pippen has never made a series-altering shot in his career alongside Jordan.

You haven't even provided one example - and even if you do, pointing out one or two plays out of 6 championship runs makes my point.





He wasnt Jordan. Few were.


Really, who was Jordan?

Who can match Jordan's playoff or Finals numbers?... Who has gone 6/6?.... Who has 6 Finals MVP's?

I'll wait while you find others who have done these things.
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[3ball]

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This is the only series-altering shot Pippen ever hit in his entire career - naturally, it occurred WITHOUT Jordan.... :roll:

Because when Jordan was there, Pippen was only too glad to let Jordan do everything.

Even Phil Jackson conceded that his everyday gameplan included a time in every game that was designated for Jordan to do everything himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=30m20s

Phil Jackson: "Don't leave Michael all alone yet.. It's not TIME YET."

[Kblaze8855]

When your point is "____ never happened. Not even once" it happening a few times does not make your point. It disproves your point.

Series winning 3....playoff game winning dunk...title sealing steal....playoff game winning blocks....too many key late plays to go over really.

You simply didnt watch the games or choose to disregard what happened.

Thats about all there is to it.


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Happened. And ended the NBA finals.


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Happened. And won a playoff game.

The shot to eliminate the Jazz...happened. Big plays all. Clutch plays all.

People watching ball at the time...know about it. The rest is just talk. Feel free to continue it.

The shit happened. The end.

[3ball]

wow Kblaze...

Pippen had 9 years playing alongside Jordan in the playoffs and you've managed to dig up only two clutch Pippen plays.

One of them was a lucky play in a 1st Round game that had zero impact on the series, and the other one was a steal where the Bulls were already ahead.

2 plays in 9 years - neither of which is memorable.. Again, you've made my point of how much Jordan had to carry the load for the Bulls.. TY sir.

[dubeta]

wow Kblaze...

Pippen had 9 years playing alongside Jordan in the playoffs and you've managed to dig up only two clutch Pippen plays.

One of them was a lucky shot off a broken play that had zero impact on the series, and the other one was a steal where the Bulls were already ahead.

Again, you've made my point of how much Jordan had to carry the load for the Bulls.. TY sir.

If Bulls never drafted Jordan, they wouldve won 7 rings instead of 6, with Pippen winning 4-5 FMVP's in the 90's

Jordan was irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

[Kblaze8855]

Jesus. Im doing this entire forum a disservice by not banning both of you. I know that to be true....and yet....*goes to watch the walking dead*

[Optimus Prime]

Unbelievable. This guy wants Kevin Love, one of the best rebounders and inside out players in the league, to become his spot up bail-out shooter and screen setter!?

What a ****ing waste of Love's abilities.

Feed Love the ball 5 more possessions a game. Just 5. Let the man touch the ball so he can do his thing FFS.

This. Love was a scoring and rebounding machine. Now he's just a spot-up shooter. LeBron Ball at its finest. :facepalm

Welcome home to LA, Kevin Love! Kobe would be thrilled to hand the keys to the Lakers to such a player, unlike LeBron who demeans and diminishes all around him to elevate himself.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Jesus. Im doing this entire forum a disservice by not banning both of you. I know that to be true....and yet....*goes to watch the walking dead*
Why don't you? Intentionally trolling, spamming and posting misinformation should be grounds for a ban hammer.

[sd3035]

This. Love was a scoring and rebounding machine. Now he's just a spot-up shooter. LeBron Ball at its finest. :facepalm

Welcome home to LA, Kevin Love! Kobe would be thrilled to hand the keys to the Lakers to such a player, unlike LeBron who demeans and diminishes all around him to elevate himself.


True, puts together the most stacked teams in history only to go 2*/5, and reduce better players than himself to spot up shooters and screeners

[Optimus Prime]

Just read through the thread. Dang...Kblaze with that ether.

I'm passing time and waiting for The Walking Dead to record so I can skip the commercials. :cheers:

[Smoke117]

Jesus. Im doing this entire forum a disservice by not banning both of you. I know that to be true....and yet....*goes to watch the walking dead*

You are possibly the most useless piece of shit when it comes to modding.