Which player would win the most titles on every team

[Marchesk]

in history? By that, I mean there is one parallel world per team for that player, for every team in history. You can have them stick with the team for a year or a career, or whatever combo. The multiverse is a big place.

Would you pick Jordan? Kareem? Shaq? Wilt?

Basically this hypothetical is asking which individual you think would be the greatest winner regardless of team, if there can be such a player in all situations.

[CavaliersFTW]

Probably Bill Russell.

[Marchesk]

Probably Bill Russell.

Wow, for a Wilt stan to say that (surprised) :applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

Wow, for a Wilt stan to say that (surprised) :applause:
As Wilt himself once said, it's like picking a favorite dessert. It's going to change depending on the day, they're all good. Typically I'll pick Wilt 9 times out of 10.

Today I'm going with Bill Russell though, can't argue with the results. 11 titles in 13 seasons (The seasons he lost were against the greatest team in history the '67 Sixers in the ECF, and in the Finals against a very good Hawks team). On top of this he won a Gold medal on an undefeated U.S. team and 2 NCAA titles with a record 55 game winstreak, and he was the leading scorer of both of those squads.

He won so much and his teammates all credit it to him.

Guys like Wilt were unquestionably more dominant individually, could do more things, create their own shots easier, etc. But sometimes I wonder, is the way Bill Russell played and the things Bill Russell was capable of doing the most effective way that has ever been played? Maybe scoring over 20 points a game and having the offense funneled through you as an individual isn't the best way to go about the game of 5 on 5 basketball? Maybe rebounding and defense first (with his tools of course) IS the best way to play?

[I<3NBA]

Wilt

because the WIlt stan chose Wilt

[k0kakw0rld]

Prime Shaq

[dubeta]

LeBron, can do it all and you can plug him in 1-5 in any team

Can also play off-ball and makes teammates around him better

[fiddy]

Brian Scalabrine

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan can make average teams good, good teams great, and great teams to all time best caliber teams.

[Marchesk]

Jordan can make average teams good, good teams great, and great teams to all time best caliber teams.

Would you rather have MJ or Kareem on Magic's Lakers?

Or the Bucks with Oscar.

[CavaliersFTW]

Jordan can make average teams good, good teams great, and great teams to all time best caliber teams.
Bulls won 55 games without him and were one bad call away from making the Finals.

[knicksman]

I think shaq. He already has proven that. Won with miami and lakers, then went to the finals with orlando

[CavaliersFTW]

I think shaq. He already has proven that. Won with miami and lakers, then went to the finals with orlando
Uh, Wilt went to the Finals with the Warriors, Won with the 76ers, and won with the Lakers.

[Milbuck]

Frank Kaminsky.

[Marchesk]

Frank Kaminsky.

Tim Duncan

[DatAsh]

Jordan, Russell, or Wilt.

One of those 3 guys.

[knicksman]

Uh, Wilt went to the Finals with the Warriors, Won with the 76ers, and won with the Lakers.

so theyre the same but shaq has 4 so ill go with shaq plus shaq won in the modern era

[CavaliersFTW]

so theyre the same but shaq has 4 so ill go with shaq plus shaq won in the modern era
He played on the Suns, Cavs, Celtics and failed to win a title with all three of those teams.

And I would like to correct you, Shaq never played in the modern era, the modern era is this season.

Shaq is just another old school player from the past. Who's abilities/skills should now be taken with a heavy grain of Salt since he played in the past.

[Suguru101]

As Wilt himself once said, it's like picking a favorite dessert. It's going to change depending on the day, they're all good. Typically I'll pick Wilt 9 times out of 10.

Today I'm going with Bill Russell though, can't argue with the results. 11 titles in 13 seasons (The seasons he lost were against the greatest team in history the '67 Sixers in the ECF, and in the Finals against a very good Hawks team). On top of this he won a Gold medal on an undefeated U.S. team and 2 NCAA titles with a record 55 game winstreak, and he was the leading scorer of both of those squads.

He won so much and his teammates all credit it to him.

Guys like Wilt were unquestionably more dominant individually, could do more things, create their own shots easier, etc. But sometimes I wonder, is the way Bill Russell played and the things Bill Russell was capable of doing the most effective way that has ever been played? Maybe scoring over 20 points a game and having the offense funneled through you as an individual isn't the best way to go about the game of 5 on 5 basketball? Maybe rebounding and defense first (with his tools of course) IS the best way to play?

2001 Lakers beat them.
1986 Celtics beat them.
1992 Bulls beat them.
1971 Bucks beat them.

Do they belong in the conversation? Absolutely. But they are not the greatest team.

[CavaliersFTW]

2001 Lakers beat them.
1986 Celtics beat them.
1992 Bulls beat them.
1971 Bucks beat them.

Do they belong in the conversation? Absolutely. But they are not the greatest team.
Four teams you conclude "beat them." as if that's a fact.

Most people don't regard the '71 Bucks as better than the '72 Lakers let alone the '67 Sixers.

Wilt played on the '72 Lakers and '67 Sixers, he believes the Sixers were the better team despite the '72 team record.

The '67 Sixers are in my opinion, and several other more significant minds of the game to be the best team ever fielded. I think they'd beat any team in a 7 game series. Are there other teams that other people will think are the best? Of course but who cares, everybody has an opinion.

My opinion. Naming other teams saying "beat them." doesn't change that.

[MJistheGOAT]

All the potential GOATs

MJ, Kareem, Wilt and Russell.

[PistonsFan#21]

Four teams you conclude "beat them." as if that's a fact.

Most people don't regard the '71 Bucks as better than the '72 Lakers let alone the '67 Sixers.

Wilt played on the '72 Lakers and '67 Sixers, he believes the Sixers were the better team despite the '72 team record.

The '67 Sixers are in my opinion, and several other more significant minds of the game to be the best team ever fielded. I think they'd beat any team in a 7 game series. Are there other teams that other people will think are the best? Of course but who cares, everybody has an opinion.

My opinion. Naming other teams saying "beat them." doesn't change that.

2004 Pistons would give them the business. Wilt would be facing a modern and stronger version of Bill Russell in Ben Wallace

[CavaliersFTW]

2004 Pistons would give them the business. Wilt would be facing a modern and stronger version of Bill Russell in Ben Wallace
You mean a 6-7 midget.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dpMmXPjkiFo/Um3cP0DUTpI/AAAAAAAAExQ/U09aaZg_7mU/s800/Bill%2520and%2520Ben%25201.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-jGRwEok6id4/Um3cQDNs-RI/AAAAAAAAExU/n_73x053d3c/s720/Bill%2520and%2520Ben%25202.jpg

Wilt could drop 100 on Ben Wallace.

[knicksman]

He played on the Suns, Cavs, Celtics and failed to win a title with all three of those teams.

And I would like to correct you, Shaq never played in the modern era, the modern era is this season.

Shaq is just another old school player from the past. Who's abilities/skills should now be taken with a heavy grain of Salt since he played in the past.

WEll hes past his prime on those years. And still this era is more or less the same as shaqs era. And besides, this era is weaker than his. Old Spurs aint winning with shaq still on the league

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Jordan, Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem or LeBron

[LAZERUSS]

As Wilt himself once said, it's like picking a favorite dessert. It's going to change depending on the day, they're all good. Typically I'll pick Wilt 9 times out of 10.

Today I'm going with Bill Russell though, can't argue with the results. 11 titles in 13 seasons (The seasons he lost were against the greatest team in history the '67 Sixers in the ECF, and in the Finals against a very good Hawks team). On top of this he won a Gold medal on an undefeated U.S. team and 2 NCAA titles with a record 55 game winstreak, and he was the leading scorer of both of those squads.

He won so much and his teammates all credit it to him.

Guys like Wilt were unquestionably more dominant individually, could do more things, create their own shots easier, etc. But sometimes I wonder, is the way Bill Russell played and the things Bill Russell was capable of doing the most effective way that has ever been played? Maybe scoring over 20 points a game and having the offense funneled through you as an individual isn't the best way to go about the game of 5 on 5 basketball? Maybe rebounding and defense first (with his tools of course) IS the best way to play?

I would like to say Wilt, as well. Had they swapped rosters, MAYBE Chamberlain wins all those rings.

But we do KNOW that Russell DID win them.

Winning 11 titles in 13 seasons is not pure luck.