The notion of stat padding is stupid

[ISHGoat]

A player doesnt just decide to check himself in/out of games, whether they are blowouts or not.

The only real statpadding example is when youre conscious of how close you are to a triple double and fiend after rebounds/assists. Ive seen lebron do this, but other players are also guilty (westbrook).

If a player (aka lebron tonight) gets checked into a game that is a double digit lead and starts scoring, that doesnt make him a statpadder, haters just reaching. I guess lebrons thinking "gee i better not score since this game is out of reach and i dont want posters online calling me a stat padder!"

[dubeta]

Good thread :applause:

[Fudge]

LeBron is a known statpadder. Get over it.

[Mr. Jabbar]

A player doesnt just decide to check himself in/out of games

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/game-on/2012/06/09/Bronx-large.jpg

[Smoke117]

Don't be a mark for the trolls.

[knicksman]

because youre a dumbass OP

[Spurs m8]

A player doesnt just decide to check himself in/out of games, whether they are blowouts or not.

The only real statpadding example is when youre conscious of how close you are to a triple double and fiend after rebounds/assists. Ive seen lebron do this, but other players are also guilty (westbrook).

If a player (aka lebron tonight) gets checked into a game that is a double digit lead and starts scoring, that doesnt make him a statpadder, haters just reaching. I guess lebrons thinking "gee i better not score since this game is out of reach and i dont want posters online calling me a stat padder!"

You're wrong.

There is such thing as stat padding and if you think otherwise you're very naive.

[Eric Cartman]

A player doesnt just decide to check himself in/out of games, whether they are blowouts or not.

Lebron checked out against boston in 2010 then went to south beach.

Not of my business though...

[J Shuttlesworth]

If you're on the floor, you should be trying to help your team score whether through shooting or passing. What do people want him to do? Just stand in the corner when you're down 12 with 3 mins left?

[Milbuck]

It's just wording. Stat padding is just a terribly inaccurate term for it..assuming we're talking about Lebron's game tonight.

But that doesn't mean what he did doesn't deserve a bit of criticism, because it does. Regardless of the statline he didn't have a good game.

What really rubs people the wrong way was that he was shit all game long and really made no aggressive effort to get out of his struggles. Which in turn allowed Miami to hold on to a huge lead for the majority of the game. When he finally turned it on and scored at will, like he obviously can, it was clearly too little too late. Sure he did all he could when he finally got going...but the timing of it was way off, and a player of Lebron's greatness, who's been in countless comeback situations, knows that. Especially when you're facing a team with Dwyane Wade on one of those nights. You need to bring it much earlier than when he did.

The word stat padding sucks because it implies that he should just stop trying, stop trying to produce at some point in the game. Which is retarded. What isn't retarded is suggesting that he took WAY too long to finally start being aggressive, which isn't stat padding but still deserves criticism.

[J Shuttlesworth]

It's just wording. Stat padding is just a terribly inaccurate term for it..assuming we're talking about Lebron's game tonight.

But that doesn't mean what he did doesn't deserve a bit of criticism, because it does. Regardless of the statline he didn't have a good game.

What really rubs people the wrong way was that he was shit all game long and really made no aggressive effort to get out of his struggles. Which in turn allowed Miami to hold on to a huge lead for the majority of the game. When he finally turned it on and scored at will, like he obviously can, it was clearly too little too late. Sure he did all he could when he finally got going...but the timing of it was way off, and a player of Lebron's greatness, who's been in countless comeback situations, knows that. Especially when you're facing a team with Dwyane Wade on one of those nights. You need to bring it much earlier than when he did.

The word stat padding sucks because it implies that he should just stop trying, stop trying to produce at some point in the game. Which is retarded. What isn't retarded is suggesting that he took WAY too long to finally start being aggressive, which isn't stat padding but still deserves criticism.
Are you saying he wasn't trying the first 3 quarters? He seemed pretty active IMO, went to the rim a lot, but he missed some easy looks and made some errant passes. Obviously he caught his rhythm on the 4th, but I don't think "he wasn't trying" in the first 3 quarters or anything like that.

It did seem like Deng was doing a good job on him too, and the Heat's paint protection was good. I mean Kyrie had a shitty game too because Whiteside was bothering him with some blocks.

I'm not defending his play in the first 3 quarters. Obviously he had a bad game, but I'm not sure what he's supposed to do in the 4th quarter to avoid a "stat padder label". Like I said, if he was on the floor and not attempting to score, people would call him a "quitter". It was a 12 pt game with 2:30 left, so it wasn't completely out of reach.

[Smoke117]

It's just wording. Stat padding is just a terribly inaccurate term for it..assuming we're talking about Lebron's game tonight.

But that doesn't mean what he did doesn't deserve a bit of criticism, because it does. Regardless of the statline he didn't have a good game.

What really rubs people the wrong way was that he was shit all game long and really made no aggressive effort to get out of his struggles. Which in turn allowed Miami to hold on to a huge lead for the majority of the game. When he finally turned it on and scored at will, like he obviously can, it was clearly too little too late. Sure he did all he could when he finally got going...but the timing of it was way off, and a player of Lebron's greatness, who's been in countless comeback situations, knows that. Especially when you're facing a team with Dwyane Wade on one of those nights. You need to bring it much earlier than when he did.

The word stat padding sucks because it implies that he should just stop trying, stop trying to produce at some point in the game. Which is retarded. What isn't retarded is suggesting that he took WAY too long to finally start being aggressive, which isn't stat padding but still deserves criticism.

:yaohappy:

[Milbuck]

Are you saying he wasn't trying the first 3 quarters? He seemed pretty active IMO, went to the rim a lot, but he missed some easy looks and made some errant passes. Obviously he caught his rhythm on the 4th, but I don't think "he wasn't trying" in the first 3 quarters or anything like that.

It did seem like Deng was doing a good job on him too, and the Heat's paint protection was good. I mean Kyrie had a shitty game too because Whiteside was bothering him with some blocks.

I'm not defending his play in the first 3 quarters. Obviously he had a bad game, but I'm not sure what he's supposed to do in the 4th quarter to avoid a "stat padder label". Like I said, if he was on the floor and not attempting to score, people would call him a "quitter". It was a 12 pt game with 2:30 left, so it wasn't completely out of reach.
There's a middle ground between not trying and being ultra aggressive though. If the team was cruising to a W with him playing poorly, no problem with him not forcing anything. But when your team is down 20+, you need to go into Chuckbe mode. Even when you're struggling, you gotta pull yourself out of it. Not just being active, but all-out forcing the issue. Cleveland needed someone to step up and dominate to get them back in the game and no one did that for most of the game.

This is one of those things that separated Jordan from Lebron and Kobe. Kobe will chuck his brains out when his team is losing, and oftentimes it'll make shit even worse. When Lebron's team is getting killed, he'll straight up wait till the last minute (not literally) to be aggressive and even when he's productive it's, again, too little too late. Jordan had way better game management skills.

I agree on the stat padder label, it's retarded. He did the right thing going hard in the 4th. He should've just done it earlier...or at least tried to.

[pauk]

They know, they are just trolling, i doubt any normal human is really as stupid as them.

[J Shuttlesworth]

There's a middle ground between not trying and being ultra aggressive though. If the team was cruising to a W with him playing poorly, no problem with him not forcing anything. But when your team is down 20+, you need to go into Chuckbe mode. Even when you're struggling, you gotta pull yourself out of it. Not just being active, but all-out forcing the issue. Cleveland needed someone to step up and dominate to get them back in the game and no one did that for most of the game.

This is one of those things that separated Jordan from Lebron and Kobe. Kobe will chuck his brains out when his team is losing, and oftentimes it'll make shit even worse. When Lebron's team is getting killed, he'll straight up wait till the last minute (not literally) to be aggressive and even when he's productive it's, again, too little too late. Jordan had way better game management skills.

I agree on the stat padder label, it's retarded. He did the right thing going hard in the 4th. He should've just done it earlier...or at least tried to.
I think part of it is that LeBron can't really jump shoot a team back into a game, so he would really have to take it to the paint. He didn't look 100% which makes sense since had that bad fall on his knee yesterday. That + B2B + everyone shooting poorly probably made him a bit hesitant to attack.

I don't even think he really forced the issue in the 4th. He seemed to just finally get some buckets to drop that weren't dropping earlier, and stuck with it.

[ILLsmak]

A player doesnt just decide to check himself in/out of games, whether they are blowouts or not.

The only real statpadding example is when youre conscious of how close you are to a triple double and fiend after rebounds/assists. Ive seen lebron do this, but other players are also guilty (westbrook).

If a player (aka lebron tonight) gets checked into a game that is a double digit lead and starts scoring, that doesnt make him a statpadder, haters just reaching. I guess lebrons thinking "gee i better not score since this game is out of reach and i dont want posters online calling me a stat padder!"

Nah I mean... you've got the wrong idea.

It's kind of like when someone scores x amount of points at the end of a blowout, they are like why didn't you do that before when you were getting killed?

I don't think it's wrong to stat-pad per se, but I would say you have to understand what points came during a time that had no effect on the game.

So, people who are saying BUT HE HAD 30 don't get it. The fact that you can go from 4-14 to 8-18 by making 4 late shots might make someone think that you had a good game instead of struggled.

I don't think anyone is against the idea of playing ball until the end of the game, but the response is to the people who pull out the boxscore (kinda like the Finals where people say Bron averaged x amount of points but got a lot of his stats in garbage time.)

-Smak

[StephHamann]

http://www.albany.com/byesline/check%20my%20stats2.jpg

[NZStreetBaller]

stat padding should be crucified if it becomes a liability to the team.

[riseagainst]

lebron is a stat padder, OP is a lebron slurper. Lebron stat padded the 2014 finals. His team did not get success because he stat padded. Get over it.

[iamgine]

Stat padding is doing things for the main reason of improving stat.

It doesn't matter if it's the first minute or last, if your main reason of doing things is to improve stat instead of helping your team win, then you're statpadding.

[Paul George 24]

A player doesnt just decide to check himself in/out of games, whether they are blowouts or not.

The only real statpadding example is when youre conscious of how close you are to a triple double and fiend after rebounds/assists. Ive seen lebron do this, but other players are also guilty (westbrook).

If a player (aka lebron tonight) gets checked into a game that is a double digit lead and starts scoring, that doesnt make him a statpadder, haters just reaching. I guess lebrons thinking "gee i better not score since this game is out of reach and i dont want posters online calling me a stat padder!"
KELVIN LOVE IS A STAT PADDAR IN TIMBERWOLVES DAYS :lol

[aj1987]

There's a middle ground between not trying and being ultra aggressive though. If the team was cruising to a W with him playing poorly, no problem with him not forcing anything. But when your team is down 20+, you need to go into Chuckbe mode. Even when you're struggling, you gotta pull yourself out of it. Not just being active, but all-out forcing the issue. Cleveland needed someone to step up and dominate to get them back in the game and no one did that for most of the game.

This is one of those things that separated Jordan from Lebron and Kobe. Kobe will chuck his brains out when his team is losing, and oftentimes it'll make shit even worse. When Lebron's team is getting killed, he'll straight up wait till the last minute (not literally) to be aggressive and even when he's productive it's, again, too little too late. Jordan had way better game management skills.

I agree on the stat padder label, it's retarded. He did the right thing going hard in the 4th. He should've just done it earlier...or at least tried to.
He went something like 4-11 though. It's not like he wasn't trying. His shot just wasn't going in. It does seem like LeBron can score whenever he wants to, but sometimes even the best players struggle to score. It was just one of those days.

[Quickening]

Most humans stat pad... whether its at work, college, sports whatever. Basketball players are no different, people just cry more about Lebron because he is the biggest star in the NBA.

[20Four]

Most humans stat pad... whether its at work, college, sports whatever. Basketball players are no different, people just cry more about Lebron because he is the biggest star in the NBA.
Hes not the biggest star....its ESPN who manufactured him as a STAR...but trust me....in reality nobody respects this fakkit...not even his peers, thats why you never really hear anybody saying they learned this from leBRONZE.....they always mention something about MJ or kobe....just ask kyrie.....

[Milbuck]

Hes not the biggest star....its ESPN who manufactured him as a STAR...but trust me....in reality nobody respects this fakkit...not even his peers, thats why you never really hear anybody saying they learned this from leBRONZE.....they always mention something about MJ or kobe....just ask kyrie.....
Bradley Beal always wore the number 23, from AAU ball to preps to his single year of college. He had to switch to No. 3 when he was drafted by the Wizards, since that number's unofficially retired for one Michael Jeffrey Jordan. You'd think Beal would be honored. But no, it turns out, he wore 23 because he idolized LeBron James growing up.

"I always admired LeBron and the way he played all the time when he was in Cleveland." - Bradley Beal

LeGOD :bowdown:

[aj1987]

LeGOD :bowdown:
Dat ether doe. :eek: :eek:

[Milbuck]

He went something like 4-11 though. It's not like he wasn't trying. His shot just wasn't going in. It does seem like LeBron can score whenever he wants to, but sometimes even the best players struggle to score. It was just one of those days.
Yeah, not saying he was totally disengaged, but he should've just said **** it and tried to shoot himself out of his struggles. It's not like anyone else had it going, or anything else was working. There would be no downside to it, wouldn't be a Kobe situation where he's chucking for no reason whatsoever.

[20Four]

LeGOD :bowdown:
Bradley beal? LMAO thats it?

[Milbuck]

Bradley beal? LMAO thats it?
Didn't read. I won.

Destroyed your argument. ****ing destroyed it. Bent it over and gave it the Kobe Colorado special.

[tpols]

Nah I mean... you've got the wrong idea.

It's kind of like when someone scores x amount of points at the end of a blowout, they are like why didn't you do that before when you were getting killed?

I don't think it's wrong to stat-pad per se, but I would say you have to understand what points came during a time that had no effect on the game.

So, people who are saying BUT HE HAD 30 don't get it. The fact that you can go from 4-14 to 8-18 by making 4 late shots might make someone think that you had a good game instead of struggled.

I don't think anyone is against the idea of playing ball until the end of the game, but the response is to the people who pull out the boxscore (kinda like the Finals where people say Bron averaged x amount of points but got a lot of his stats in garbage time.)

-Smak

That's pretty much the definition of stat padding.. getting garbage buckets to touch up an otherwise shitty performance and deceive people into thinking you had a good game.

Thats why I like Wade because he's an anti-stat padder.. he only goes ham when it means something and defers otherwise.

[ISHGoat]

Didn't read. I won.

Destroyed your argument. ****ing destroyed it. Bent it over and gave it the Kobe Colorado special.


:lol :lol :lol :lol

[riseagainst]

Didn't read. I won.

Destroyed your argument. ****ing destroyed it. Bent it over and gave it the Kobe Colorado special.

:roll:

[Mass Debator]

Do you know how much easier to take risk when you're down big especially in the closing minutes? It takes the pressure off of you since basically anyone capable is given the green light. Lebron took advantage of the situation. Their was no business for him to try and mount a come back being down 20 midway through the fourth. Playoff game, fine. Regular season though? Especially when their was questions he wasn't even going to play the game?

He had 17 points, 0 rebounds, and 4 assists at the 3:50 mark when he missed a three. That to me was his official stat line and indicative of his impact that night.

[ISHGoat]

Do you know how much easier to take risk when you're down big especially in the closing minutes? It takes the pressure off of you since basically anyone capable is given the green light. Lebron took advantage of the situation. Their was no business for him to try and mount a come back being down 20 midway through the fourth. Playoff game, fine. Regular season though? Especially when their was questions he wasn't even going to play the game?

He had 17 points, 0 rebounds, and 4 assists at the 3:50 mark when he missed a three. That to me was his official stat line and indicative of his impact that night.

I agree with the sentiment that not all buckets are equal. At the same time, we cannot fault a player for being out there trying to earn their paycheck, irrespective of the score or current game situation. I mean, isnt this what all coaches preach, at any level, any sport? Always give your 100%. Now we will shit on lebron for doing exactly that?

[Mass Debator]

I agree with the sentiment that not all buckets are equal. At the same time, we cannot fault a player for being out there trying to earn their paycheck, irrespective of the score or current game situation. I mean, isnt this what all coaches preach, at any level, any sport? Always give your 100%. Now we will shit on lebron for doing exactly that?
A coach's job is to protect the players too. If Lebron got injured at the 2 minute mark while being down 15+, oh the uproar. But we all know Blatt isn't the real coach. You just gotta look ahead when the game is out of reach. If this game was against the Milwaukee, Lebron would've sat with 3-4 minutes left. He just wanted to put his mark on this particular game. I don't mind him putting forth 100% in a meaningless blowout game...but I would also like to see him have the opportunity to go 100% the next game and the next without being hindered by any injuries or fatigue.

[sdot_thadon]

Stat padding is only a recent era trend. Never heard it called out before the 2000's. Guys routinely did shit in the 90s they'd get killed for today.

[Timmy D for MVP]

OP lets not kid ourselves.

If Lebron wanted to literally check himself out of the game, he could check himself out of the game. If he give the head pat to David Blatt he absolutely would be taken out. Obviously doing so in a loss like that makes no sense, but the point remains.

[gts]

The notion of stat padding is stupid

I believe Lebron is calling it "statistical reinforcement"

[ButterFace]

A player doesnt just decide to check himself in/out of games, whether they are blowouts or not.



Do you really think that LeBron doesn't have say when he goes in and out for the Cavs? :biggums:

[Mr. Jabbar]

"statistical reinforcement"

pauk takes notes :roll:

[Eric Cartman]

pauk takes notes :roll:

:lol

[Marchesk]

Their was no business for him to try and mount a come back being down 20 midway through the fourth. Playoff game, fine. Regular season though? Especially when their was questions he wasn't even going to play the game?

This is what I'm talking about. Regular season games mean stat padding. Playoffs mean trying to come back. SMH

[sdot_thadon]

Funniest shit is probably most guys in here have watched their favorite player "pad" and didn't even blink. Seems like only guys who stat pad are ones the person accusing doesn't like......

[Eric Cartman]

Funniest shit is probably most guys in here have watched their favorite player "pad" and didn't even blink. Seems like only guys who stat pad are ones the person accusing doesn't like......

Don't act so high and mighty you filthy jew.

[sdot_thadon]

Don't act so high and mighty you filthy jew.
:wtf:

[Budadiiii]

Never seen a guy play passive when it matters and turn on a switch when the game is out of hand to pad his statistics like LeBron.

He's truly the weakest competitor I've ever witnessed. Too much of a people pleasing beta and he doesn't turn it off on the court. Hugging dudes before the game like its a family reunion and playing without any urgency. Sad. He's a terrible role model for young athletes trying to make it. People with LeBron mentality never make it far in life.

[Fudge]

Never seen a guy play passive when it matters and turn on a switch when the game is out of hand to pad his statistics like LeBron.

He's truly the weakest competitor I've ever witnessed. Too much of a people pleasing beta and he doesn't turn it off on the court. Hugging dudes before the game like its a family reunion and playing without any urgency. Sad. He's a terrible role model for young athletes trying to make it. People with LeBron mentality never make it far in life.
:applause:

Great post by a great poster.

[J Shuttlesworth]

LeGOD :bowdown:
Anthony Davis said LeBron was his favorite and he watched every single Cavs/Heat game growing up

[Nash]

statpad, lol, I wish people could statpad 26/12 like Kevin Love "did".

[gts]

Anthony Davis said LeBron was his favorite and he watched every single Cavs/Heat game growing upLearning from others mistakes.... AD's a smart man

[aj1987]

Learning from others mistakes.... AD's a smart man
He didn't say he watched Kobe play.