View Full Version : Shooting Data for Kobe, LBJ, KD, Wade, TMac, PP, Melo, AI, VC (since 2001)
Basketball reference only has shooting data as of the 2000-01 season so some of these guys are missing a few years
Average Field Goal Attempt Distance
Ray Allen: 16.3 feet
Joe Johnson: 14.7 feet
Tracy McGrady: 14.6 feet
James Harden: 14.4 feet
Paul Pierce: 14.2 feet
Vince Carter: 14.1 feet
Kobe Bryant: 14.0 feet
Michael Redd: 13.9 feet
Manu Gin
BasedTom
03-17-2015, 07:04 PM
:applause:
warriorfan
03-17-2015, 07:06 PM
T-Mac loving them long 2's....
nice post
Real Men Wear Green
03-17-2015, 07:14 PM
A shot KD takes from 8 feet away is about the same as AI taking a shot from 3 feet away. Not going by the percentage there, just their heights and reach. (And I do know that AI had long arms...for his height)
Jacks3
03-17-2015, 07:19 PM
Kobe:
-Strong finisher at the rim
-Excellent short-shot/between game (45.0% from 3-10 feet, #2 behind only Wade)
-Excellent mid-range shooter
-Decent enough 3-pt shooter
-Very high free-throw rate, and shot a excellent 84-85% there
-15-year stretch of consistently posting TS%/ORTG that were far above league-average
Still considered inefficient. :biggums:
Budadiiii
03-17-2015, 07:19 PM
Durant is absolutely incredible.
:applause:
Smoke117
03-17-2015, 07:21 PM
List Ray Allen. Why did you even leave him out in the first place? Insulting.
Achilleas
03-17-2015, 07:21 PM
FG% from the 3PT line and beyond
KD: 37.9%
VC: 37.4%
Pierce: 37.1%
Melo: 34.5%
LBJ: 34.2%
TMac: 34.1%
Kobe: 33.4%
AI: 30.8%
Wade: 28.9%
lebron better than shooters tmac and kobe :lol
lebron stans happy
% of 2PT FGs that were assisted
KD: 48.4%
Melo: 46.2%
Pierce: 44.5%
VC: 40.9%
TMac: 38.5%
LBJ: 35.5%
Kobe: 34.7%
Wade: 32.9%
AI: 28.1%
AI ball holder :confusedshrug:
ButterFace
03-17-2015, 07:22 PM
T-Mac likes his long ball, doesn't he.
List Ray Allen. Why did you even leave him out in the first place?
Will edit him in later :cheers:
I also should do some PGs
Real Men Wear Green
03-17-2015, 07:24 PM
Kobe:
Still considered inefficient.
Career-wise he's only considered inefficient compared to top 10 all-time players, not guys like the ones in the OP. The inefficient talk has picked up but it's because of the way he's played these last two seasons trying to come back from major injuries where his play has overall been pretty bad. But that's just the view of this nearly-retired Bryant, not the Kobe Bryant that was helping LA win rings.
BasedTom
03-17-2015, 07:31 PM
Career-wise he's only considered inefficient compared to top 10 all-time players, not guys like the ones in the OP. The inefficient talk has picked up but it's because of the way he's played these last two seasons trying to come back from major injuries where his play has overall been pretty bad. But that's just the view of this nearly-retired Bryant, not the Kobe Bryant that was helping LA win rings.
Nah, the "Kobe is a selfish chucker" "kobe is an inefficient ballhog" "kobe doesn't pass" criticism has been a thing since forever. But now that he's playing with scrubs and has dealt with those injuries, now it's just sad to see sometimes. Haters are just kicking him while he's already down.
kennethgriffin
03-17-2015, 07:31 PM
lebron better than shooters tmac and kobe :lol
lebron stans happy
lebron is dared to shoot threes
kobe shoots literally every three in someones face.
if kobe shot wide open threes 90% of the time like lebron... he'd have a 45% rate or higher
if lebron shot the pull up 2-3 feet beyond the line in someones face threes 90% of the time... he'd have a 25% rate or lower
different looks ... this is also why jordans is so similar to kobes. yet jordan shyd away from threes allot and only shot wide open...
context*
AnaheimLakers24
03-17-2015, 07:34 PM
5> 2
5> 0
5> 3
5> 0
5> 1
5> 0
5> 0
Jacks3
03-17-2015, 07:35 PM
Career-wise he's only considered inefficient compared to top 10 all-time players, not guys like the ones in the OP.
even if this is true...it also doesn't make sense, because his efficiency numbers are extremely comparable or better than many of the consensus top 10-15 all-time (bird, duncan, hakeem, rusell, west, oscar, dr.j, ).
The inefficient talk has picked up but it's because of the way he's played these last two seasons trying to come back from major injuries where his play has overall been pretty bad. But that's just the view of this nearly-retired Bryant, not the Kobe Bryant that was helping LA win rings.
no, it's something that was routinely thrown at him even when he was in his prime, and the narrative is now being extended to the rest of his career...and not just his 35 game 2015 season, or 6 game 2014 season.
ButterFace
03-17-2015, 07:35 PM
5> 2
5> 0
5> 3
5> 0
5> 1
5> 0
5> 0
You are worthless.
KirbyPls
03-17-2015, 07:35 PM
lebron is dared to shoot threes
kobe shoots literally every three in someones face.
if kobe shot wide open threes 90% of the time like lebron... he'd have a 45% rate or higher
if lebron shot the pull up 2-3 feet beyond the line in someones face threes 90% of the time... he'd have a 25% rate or lower
different looks ... this is also why jordans is so similar to kobes. yet jordan shyd away from threes allot and only shot wide open...
context*
And if Kobe could get to the rim like Lebron, he wouldn't take some of the garbage shots he takes. But Kobe should receive extra credit for shooting contested fadeaways? :biggums:
Jacks3
03-17-2015, 07:36 PM
Nah, the "Kobe is a selfish chucker" "kobe is an inefficient ballhog" "kobe doesn't pass" criticism has been a thing since forever. But now that he's playing with scrubs and has dealt with those injuries, now it's just sad to see sometimes. Haters are just kicking him while he's already down.
Exactly right.
Real Men Wear Green
03-17-2015, 07:36 PM
Nah, the "Kobe is a selfish chucker" "kobe is an inefficient ballhog" "kobe doesn't pass" criticism has been a thing since forever. But now that he's playing with scrubs and has dealt with those injuries, now it's just sad to see sometimes. Haters are just kicking him while he's already down.
Being a selfish chucker or not passing is not the same thing as being "inefficient." Most of the guys in the OP hogged the ball. "Inefficient" did not become a mainstream criticism of his game until it became true. What was said that is close to that is that he should defer to Shaq. But that's not the same as being inefficient. Not until recent years has Bryant's game been viewed as ineffective in the mainstream.
Achilleas
03-17-2015, 07:39 PM
Will edit him in later :cheers:
I also should do some PGs
can you add the ft percent,and %of points from ft
i have seen a a post that harden have score 32% of points from fts :eek:
kennethgriffin
03-17-2015, 07:40 PM
And if Kobe could get to the rim like Lebron, he wouldn't take some of the garbage shots he takes. But Kobe should receive extra credit for shooting contested fadeaways? :biggums:
thats what makes kobe so awesome... he could in fact get to the rim. and did. but he was also a great shooter. and willingly took more difficult shots because even while being defended 35 feet from the basket. he could hit the exact same percentage as other legendary players hit while being wide open.
kobe is and was playstation come to life
:bowdown:
dubeta
03-17-2015, 07:44 PM
thats what makes kobe so awesome... he could in fact get to the rim. and did. but he was also a great shooter. and willingly took more difficult shots because even while being defended 35 feet from the basket. he could hit the exact same percentage as other legendary players hit while being wide open.
kobe is and was playstation come to life
:bowdown:
Why wasnt Kobe skilled and talented enough to shoot 74% near the rim like LeBron can?
JimmyMcAdocious
03-17-2015, 07:44 PM
The percentage of 3s Pierce took seems high for a guy who has been a #1 scorer most of his career.
kennethgriffin
03-17-2015, 07:51 PM
Why wasnt Kobe skilled and talented enough to shoot 74% near the rim like LeBron can?
kobe isnt 6-9, 260 pounds
and congrats. lebrons a better layup artist
too bad those kinds of shots arent always available... lebron might have had success more comparable to kobe's
24-Inch_Chrome
03-17-2015, 08:01 PM
Great post, future repped.
I noticed that you mentioned doing the same thing for PGs, I'll throw my support behind that idea.
The efficiency numbers made it clear how great Durant has been, he either led or was in second place for all FG% categories but one...wow. It was also interesting how infrequently he takes corner 3s despite converting on them at such a high rate (though it's obviously a smaller sample size).
I also don't think it's any kind of a knock on him that so many of his FGs were assisted, he's the only one on the list (I think, correct me if I'm forgetting something) to have played with an elite PG throughout his career.
Hey Yo
03-17-2015, 08:10 PM
Nah, the "Kobe is a selfish chucker" "kobe is an inefficient ballhog" "kobe doesn't pass" criticism has been a thing since forever. But now that he's playing with scrubs and has dealt with those injuries, now it's just sad to see sometimes. Haters are just kicking him while he's already down.
Kobe's only played with scrubs a handful of seasons in his career. His efficiency should be better.
Others listed above though have played more seasons with scrub, just mediocre, to above avg. teammates, to all-star teammates. to one of the greatest coaches.
Their efficiency would probably be higher in Kobe's shoes.
Legends66NBA7
03-17-2015, 08:12 PM
Future repped.
Along with Ray, maybe James Harden ? Hasn't been a starter for long but he fits the criteria.
Papaya Petee
03-17-2015, 08:35 PM
Kobe:
-Strong finisher at the rim
-Excellent short-shot/between game (45.0% from 3-10 feet, #2 behind only Wade)
-Excellent mid-range shooter
-Decent enough 3-pt shooter
-Very high free-throw rate, and shot a excellent 84-85% there
-15-year stretch of consistently posting TS%/ORTG that were far above league-average
Still considered inefficient. :biggums:
I consider Kobe average efficient ( not inefficient) because from 1999-2010 he had the combination or skills and athletisism to be more efficient than he was. Kobe from 2001-2008 was capable of being a 48-50% FG player. He just took harder shots when he was capable of getting better looks.
kennethgriffin
03-17-2015, 08:49 PM
Kobe's only played with scrubs a handful of seasons in his career. His efficiency should be better.
Others listed above though have played more seasons with scrub, just mediocre, to above avg. teammates, to all-star teammates. to one of the greatest coaches.
Their efficiency would probably be higher in Kobe's shoes.
kobe doesnt play off others. hes a 1 on 1 player
maybe if he was a guy who ran off screens, was the recipient in a pick and role... etc..
Jacks3
03-17-2015, 09:02 PM
I consider Kobe average efficient ( not inefficient) because from 1999-2010 he had the combination or skills and athletisism to be more efficient than he was. Kobe from 2001-2008 was capable of being a 48-50% FG player. He just took harder shots when he was capable of getting better looks.
FG% is useless as a measure of scoring efficiency.
kobe had about a 15-year stretch with TS%/ORTG that numbers that were significantly above league-average. he was nowhere near average efficiency.
what you "think" he should have done is irreverent. you can't say someone had average inefficiency just because you think they could have done better.
what kind of logic is that?
:hammerhead:
bballnoob1192
03-17-2015, 09:15 PM
Career-wise he's only considered inefficient compared to top 10 all-time players, not guys like the ones in the OP. The inefficient talk has picked up but it's because of the way he's played these last two seasons trying to come back from major injuries where his play has overall been pretty bad. But that's just the view of this nearly-retired Bryant, not the Kobe Bryant that was helping LA win rings.
yea the top ten consists of 6 centers/bigman, two 6-9 dudes, and jordan. no shit kobe would be considered inefficient against that competition. Kobe is the smallest dude in the top ten and he's primarily a jumpshooter too.
JebronLames
03-17-2015, 09:26 PM
Use LeBron's stats from 2009-present.
Hey Yo
03-17-2015, 09:26 PM
yea the top ten consists of 6 centers/bigman, two 6-9 dudes, and jordan. no shit kobe would be considered inefficient against that competition. Kobe is the smallest dude in the top ten and he's primarily a jumpshooter too.
He's only comparing Kobe to those in the top 10. Never said Kobe was in the top 10.
Updated with Ray, JJ, Manu, Harden, Roy, Redd, and Rip.
Akhenaten
03-17-2015, 10:16 PM
can you add the ft percent,and %of points from ft
i have seen a a post that harden have score 32% of points from fts :eek:
This.
34-24 Footwork
03-17-2015, 10:28 PM
How far are people sagging off lebron, compared to everyone else on that list? No trollin. Serious question..
sdot_thadon
03-18-2015, 12:22 AM
lebron is dared to shoot threes
kobe shoots literally every three in someones face.
if kobe shot wide open threes 90% of the time like lebron... he'd have a 45% rate or higher
if lebron shot the pull up 2-3 feet beyond the line in someones face threes 90% of the time... he'd have a 25% rate or lower
different looks ... this is also why jordans is so similar to kobes. yet jordan shyd away from threes allot and only shot wide open...
context*
I somewhat agree with what you're saying here. The only difference is you call it context and everyone else knows it as shot selection. Nobody twists kobe's arm to make him take bad shots, it's an aspect of basketball he's always rebelled against. Not those other guy's' faults.
KirbyPls
03-18-2015, 12:25 AM
How far are people sagging off lebron, compared to everyone else on that list? No trollin. Serious question..
Perhaps, defenders fear his drive? After all, context.
Killbot
03-18-2015, 12:29 AM
[quote=RRR3]
[U]Average Field Goal Attempt Distance
Ray Allen: 16.3 feet
Joe Johnson: 14.7 feet
Tracy McGrady: 14.6 feet
James Harden: 14.4 feet
Paul Pierce: 14.2 feet
Vince Carter: 14.1 feet
Kobe Bryant: 14.0 feet
Michael Redd: 13.9 feet
Manu Gin
5> 2
5> 0
5> 3
5> 0
5> 1
5> 0
5> 0
4 mvps / 2 fmvps > 0 mvps / 0 fmvp
4 mvps / 2 fmvps > 1 mvp / 0 fmvp
4 mvps / 2 fmvps > 1 mvp / 2 fmvps
4 mvps / 2 fmvps > 0 mvps / 0 fmvp
4 mvps / 2 fmvps > 0 mvps / 1 fmvp
4 mvps / 2 fmvps > 0 mvps / 0 fmvp
34-24 Footwork
03-18-2015, 01:44 AM
Perhaps, defenders fear his drive? After all, context.
I don't think it's fear. More like people still dont respect his jumpshot. But yes, every other perimeter player (outside of Rookie/raw Vince Carter) on that list doesn't get the air space that Lebron gets. That's context for you....
raiderfan19
03-18-2015, 02:25 AM
Not a guard/wing so he doesn't really fit with this group but dirk has significantly better midrange numbers than any of them. 47.1% career from 10-16, 47.8 career from 16-3. And I think his 3 would be 2nd at .385. His average fg distance is also the second highest behind Ray Allen's at 14.8 but mostly because the last 3 years has made it a lot longer.
KirbyPls
03-18-2015, 02:27 AM
I don't think it's fear. More like people still dont respect his jumpshot. But yes, every other perimeter player (outside of Rookie/raw Vince Carter) on that list doesn't get the air space that Lebron gets. That's context for you....
How does every other player on that list shoot min the paint/at the rim?
But, but, but...it's the defenders fault though.
Stay slurping career 46%. :lol
KirbyPls
03-18-2015, 02:29 AM
Not a guard/wing so he doesn't really fit with this group but dirk has significantly better midrange numbers than any of them. 47.1% career from 10-16, 47.8 career from 16-3. And I think his 3 would be 2nd at .385. His average fg distance is also the second highest behind Ray Allen's at 14.8 but mostly because the last 3 years has made it a lot longer.
Also handed LBJ the most embarrassing moment of his career...and swept 'Be the same playoffs. :applause:
34-24 Footwork
03-18-2015, 02:29 AM
Lebron is the Shaq of the perimeter. Nothing to see here.
I don't think it's fear. More like people still dont respect his jumpshot. But yes, every other perimeter player (outside of Rookie/raw Vince Carter) on that list doesn't get the air space that Lebron gets. That's context for you....
People dont sag off Wade? :lol
LeBron is a good shooter these days. stop derailing my thread with your agenda
34-24 Footwork
03-18-2015, 02:33 AM
People dont sag off Wade? :lol
LeBron is a good shooter these days. stop derailing my thread with your agenda
People did NOT sag of Wade 2006-2012. Come on bro.
The people on that list are GREAT shooters. That's the problem, kiddo.
But great thread overall. Stats w/context are amazing, at times. Props.
Never heard Dwyane Wade and Allen Iverson accused of being "great shooters" before :lol
JebronLames
03-18-2015, 02:47 AM
I don't think it's fear. More like people still dont respect his jumpshot. But yes, every other perimeter player (outside of Rookie/raw Vince Carter) on that list doesn't get the air space that Lebron gets. That's context for you....
Backing off makes it harder to drive, yet LeBron scores at the rim the most. It also makes it harder to facilitate and pass, yet LeBron is a better facilitator and averages more assist than any of those guys.
34-24 Footwork
03-18-2015, 02:59 AM
Never heard Dwyane Wade and Allen Iverson accused of being "great shooters" before :lol
Because you haven't watched basketball until before 2009. You only saw Iverson play for the Nuggets and saw Wade a year before he played with Bron. You just have some homework to do, that's all. No shame.
34-24 Footwork
03-18-2015, 03:02 AM
Backing off makes it harder to drive, yet LeBron scores at the rim the most. It also makes it harder to facilitate and pass, yet LeBron is a better facilitator and averages more assist than any of those guys.
Another topic. Lol. But Bron definitely gets credit for being a more willing passer. When you say "better facilitator", that's something that can be broken down and debated.
PejaTheSerbSnip
03-18-2015, 10:52 AM
even if this is true...it also doesn't make sense, because his efficiency numbers are extremely comparable or better than many of the consensus top 10-15 all-time (bird, duncan, hakeem, rusell, west, oscar, dr.j, ).
no, it's something that was routinely thrown at him even when he was in his prime, and the narrative is now being extended to the rest of his career...and not just his 35 game 2015 season, or 6 game 2014 season.
Kobe definitely isn't inefficient....but the problem is, he took TOO MANY shots from 16-23, the least efficient TYPE of shot, and didn't shoot high enough from there to warrant all the long 2's (40.5%, excellent but not world-beating stuff). He also attempted too many 3's and didn't attack the rim as much as he should have IMO (since hes such a good finisher).
But yeah...."Kobe the inefficient chucker"is an oft-parroted theory, and it isn't fair
riseagainst
03-18-2015, 10:55 AM
great post.
:applause:
Ray Allen is a killa.
:bowdown:
Jacks3
03-18-2015, 10:58 AM
Kobe definitely isn't inefficient....but the problem is, he took TOO MANY shots from 16-23, the least efficient TYPE of shot, and didn't shoot high enough from there to warrant all the long 2's (40.5%, excellent but not world-beating stuff). He also attempted too many 3's and didn't attack the rim as much as he should have IMO (since hes such a good finisher).
But yeah...."Kobe the inefficient chucker"is an oft-parroted theory, and it isn't fair
I agree with all this. He definitely could have been even better. Good post.
dunksby
03-18-2015, 11:05 AM
KD efficient from everywhere, most impressively, as good as LeBron around the rim :applause:
ralph_i_el
03-18-2015, 02:42 PM
People dont sag off Wade? :lol
LeBron is a good shooter these days. stop derailing my thread with your agenda
Wade is renowned for being guarded off the ball, even though he's not a great shooter. Saw an article about "gravity" which is how much a player bends the defense in their direction when they're off the ball, and Wade was one of the league leaders.
Wade has an elite midrange game, one of the best pumpfakes of all time, and over the past few seasons he's become one of the best post up perimeter guys in the game.
Jacks3
03-18-2015, 02:57 PM
Wade's mid-range game is nowhere near elite. :oldlol:
stalkerforlife
03-18-2015, 03:10 PM
lebron is dared to shoot threes
kobe shoots literally every three in someones face.
if kobe shot wide open threes 90% of the time like lebron... he'd have a 45% rate or higher
if lebron shot the pull up 2-3 feet beyond the line in someones face threes 90% of the time... he'd have a 25% rate or lower
different looks ... this is also why jordans is so similar to kobes. yet jordan shyd away from threes allot and only shot wide open...
context*
Exactly.
Players have to back off and let Bran shoot because he's allowed to stiff arm them.
Bran is shooting wide open threes more than any player i've ever seen.
Akhenaten
03-18-2015, 03:16 PM
KD efficient from everywhere, most impressively, as good as LeBron around the rim :applause:
has nowhere near the voulume though, so no he's not "as good" not even close
Akhenaten
03-18-2015, 03:21 PM
Wade's mid-range game is nowhere near elite. :oldlol:
The numbers say otherwise though :confusedshrug:
game3524
03-18-2015, 03:42 PM
FG% is useless as a measure of scoring efficiency.
kobe had about a 15-year stretch with TS%/ORTG that numbers that were significantly above league-average. he was nowhere near average efficiency.
what you "think" he should have done is irreverent. you can't say someone had average inefficiency just because you think they could have done better.
what kind of logic is that?
:hammerhead:
Yeah, Kobe in his prime was always above league average when it comes to efficiency.
People only say he is inefficient due to FG%(which is is stupid, since the difference between 45% and 50% is one shot.:facepalm ) and the kind of shots he takes. Him and AI are the two greatest tough shots makers that I have every seen.
ImKobe
03-18-2015, 04:18 PM
lebron better than shooters tmac and kobe :lol
lebron stans happy
AI ball holder :confusedshrug:
lol? Kobe takes a lot of 3s that are considered "bad", how many of his 3s are legit spot up 3s or just wide open?
Jacks3
03-18-2015, 04:27 PM
it's actually shocking how much more efficient than popular perception Kobe is.
he had ONE season from 98-2013 where he had only had league average TS%/ORTG. that was 2012 where his TS/ORTG was exactly at league-average. otherwise the VAST majority of his seasons have come with TS/ORTG numbers that were significantly above league-average:
here are his TS% numbers relative to league average:
1998: +2.4%
1999: +3.8%
2000: +2.3%
2001: +3.4%
2002: +2.4%
2003: +3.1%
2004: +3.5%
2005: +3.3%
2006: +2.4%
2007: +3.9%
2008: +3.6%
2009: +1.6%
2010: +0.2%
2011: +0.3%
2012: +0.0%
2013: +3.6%
Now looking at ORTG relative to league-average:
1998: +5
1999: +4
2000: +6
2001: +9
2002: +7.5
2003: +7.4
2004: +9.1
2005: +4.9
2006: +7.8
2007: +8.5
2008: +7.5
2009: +6.7
2010: +1.4
2011: +3.7
2012: +0.0
2013: +6.1
This is what those numbers would be today based on league-average TS%/ORTG numbers during the last full NBA season (2014) where league-average TS%/ORTG was at--54.1% TS/106.7 ORTG
1998: 56.5% TS/111.7 ORTG
1999: 57.9% TS/110.7 ORTG
2000: 56.4% TS/112.7 ORTG
2001: 57.5% TS/115.7 ORTG
2002: 56.5% TS/114.2 ORTG
2003: 57.4% TS/114.1 ORTG
2004: 57.6% TS/115.8 ORTG
2005: 57.4% TS/111.6 ORTG
2006: 56.5% TS/114.5 ORTG
2007: 58.0% TS/115.2 ORTG
2008: 57.7% TS/114.2 ORTG
2009: 55.7% TS/113.4 ORTG
2010: 54.3% TS/106.9 ORTG
2011: 54.4% TS/110.4 ORTG
2012: 54.1% TS/106.7 ORTG
2013: 57.7% TS/112.8 ORTG
look at shit. that is a 15-yr stretch of consistently posting around a 57-58% TS/112-115 ORTG every season like clockwork. that's excellent efficiency.
it's crazy how narrative and perception become fact to so many people even it's not even remotely close to the truth.
ralph_i_el
03-18-2015, 04:29 PM
Yeah, Kobe in his prime was always above league average when it comes to efficiency.
People only say he is inefficient due to FG%(which is is stupid, since the difference between 45% and 50% is one shot.:facepalm ) and the kind of shots he takes. Him and AI are the two greatest tough shots makers that I have every seen.
one make per game is the difference between a good team and a great team over the length of a season.
ralph_i_el
03-18-2015, 04:31 PM
Wade's mid-range game is nowhere near elite. :oldlol:
>April 2008
>Doesn't think Wade had an elite mid-range game
:wtf:
Cold soul
03-18-2015, 04:54 PM
Yeah, Kobe in his prime was always above league average when it comes to efficiency.
People only say he is inefficient due to FG%(which is is stupid, since the difference between 45% and 50% is one shot.:facepalm ) and the kind of shots he takes. Him and AI are the two greatest tough shots makers that I have every seen.
Good post. Kobe is greatest bad shot marker in NBA history which isn't always a good thing.
game3524
03-18-2015, 06:24 PM
Good post. Kobe is greatest bad shot marker in NBA history which isn't always a good thing.
I think it is a good thing.
The shots Kobe takes are the type of shots you have to hit in playoff games. It is the biggest reason why his efficiency in the playoffs is virtually identical to his regular season play.
Cold soul
03-18-2015, 06:38 PM
I think it is a good thing.
The shots Kobe takes are the type of shots you have to hit in playoff games. It is the biggest reason why his efficiency in the playoffs is virtually identical to his regular season play.
It's good thing especially in playoffs when defenses play you tougher and tighter. But it's usually always better to get the better look and more efficient shot than high difficult attempt you have less odds of making. Kobe play style at times was a blessing and a curse when he was in the zone he couldn't miss no matter how many defenders were guarding him single, double, triple coverage it didn't matter and other times he would shoot you out of games.
Smoke117
03-18-2015, 06:40 PM
Kobe stan logic: Where taking bad shots is a good thing. :wtf:
Jacks3
03-18-2015, 10:31 PM
>April 2008
>Doesn't think Wade had an elite mid-range game
:wtf:
Wade has been a mediocre mid-range jump-shooter for the bulk of his career.
Elite mid-range game? :roll:
dunksby
03-19-2015, 02:13 AM
has nowhere near the voulume though, so no he's not "as good" not even close
He is as good as LeBron around the rim and better everywhere else, no need to focus on one zone when you are hot from everywhere :bowdown:
GrapeApe
03-19-2015, 02:38 AM
Wade has been a mediocre mid-range jump-shooter for the bulk of his career.
Elite mid-range game? :roll:
There's more to the mid-range game than jumpers. Wade has an elite arsenal of floaters, runners, hook shots, etc. He's always been one of the craftiest and most skilled mid-range scorers in the league.
AirBourne92
03-19-2015, 04:42 PM
Kobe:
-Strong finisher at the rim
-Excellent short-shot/between game (45.0% from 3-10 feet, #2 behind only Wade)
-Excellent mid-range shooter
-Decent enough 3-pt shooter
-Very high free-throw rate, and shot a excellent 84-85% there
-15-year stretch of consistently posting TS%/ORTG that were far above league-average
Still considered inefficient. :biggums:
kobe is good at 3 pointers
he just jacks up tough 3 pointers consistently that would otherwise clank out for most players
Budadiiii
03-19-2015, 04:52 PM
There's more to the mid-range game than jumpers. Wade has an elite arsenal of floaters, runners, hook shots, etc. He's always been one of the craftiest and most skilled mid-range scorers in the league.
I wish Westbrook had his touch.
Wades floaters are beautiful. The way he lets go of the ball while contorting his body is aesthetically pleasing.
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