I was watching nfl films show and dude was like "when 6-5 and 265 pounds art shell...

[Bless Mathews]

Is running toward you to block, watch out!"

Got me thinking.

Everyone knows how much bigger faster stronger nfl players are these days.

A 265 offensive lineman??? LOLOLOLOLOLOPPLOLO

Barely would start at a top notch high school these days.

Same is to be applied in nba.

Players in the 60's were so much weaker. Smaller less strong and less skilled.

It kills me when these 60's homers don't understand basic physics.

Bunch of unathletic skinny no skilled players working other jobs thinking they could even compete with today's elite high school teams, let alone nba players.

GTFO.

[RightToCensor]

I played High School football and our guards/center were up to 280-300 lbs. Tackles could be around 260-270 lbs if he has great hands, great feet, and a strong first punch.

[gts]

think about this.. in 1980 there were 3 players in the NFL that weighed over 300 pounds... last season there were 57 rookies that weighed over 300 pounds and over 300 players in the league that tipped the scale north of 300

that being said the rest of your post concerning unskilled and the other noise is just nonsense

[Marchesk]

Wilt Chamberlain

[tpols]

dUmb to compare football to basketball. While I agree things have evolved size and strength are extremely important in football.. and there's no telling if you put older athletes on today's regimens they wouldn't be bigger. Would be silly to assume otherwise actually

Basketball is more skill.. average heights haven't changed perimeter players have gotten more athletic and probably better but big men have gotten worse, so dumb comparison

[gts]

think about this.. in 1980 there were 3 players in the NFL that weighed over 300 pounds... last season there were 57 rookies that weighed over 300 pounds and over 300 players in the league that tipped the scale north of 300

that being said the rest of your post concerning unskilled and the other noise is just nonsense

I'll add to my post, that even in the 80's NFL players were fined for being what was considered overweight... 265 was considered fat even for an offensive lineman....

[The_Pharcyde]

Is running toward you to block, watch out!"

Got me thinking.

Everyone knows how much bigger faster stronger nfl players are these days.

A 265 offensive lineman??? LOLOLOLOLOLOPPLOLO

Barely would start at a top notch high school these days.

Same is to be applied in nba.

Players in the 60's were so much weaker. Smaller less strong and less skilled.

It kills me when these 60's homers don't understand basic physics.

Bunch of unathletic skinny no skilled players working other jobs thinking they could even compete with today's elite high school teams, let alone nba players.

GTFO.


Yeah Steve Nash, dirk, Kevin love, Tim duncan, marc, pau gasol and ginobili are genetic freaks!!!

Get your young ass to sleep, bball and football are not even comparable.. Bball is so much more about skill
Didn't you learn anything about the unathletic as hell Spurs outside of kawhi beating the almighty lebron james and Miami Heat in the finals

I know you are just trying to rile up all the older dudes who love wilt and Russell
But have some respect for the legends of the game..
This post alone shows how much you know about the game regardless of your response back

[Jameerthefear]

Yeah Steve Nash, dirk, Kevin love, Tim duncan, marc, pau gasol and ginobili are genetic freaks!!!

Get your young ass to sleep, bball and football are not even comparable.. Bball is so much more about skill
Didn't you learn anything about the unathletic as hell Spurs outside of kawhi beating the almighty lebron james and Miami Heat in the finals

I know you are just trying to rile up all the older dudes who love wilt and Russell
But have some respect for the legends of the game..
This post alone shows how much you know about the game regardless of your response back
Don't be a mOark. Bless goes hard. You don't want to be on his bad side, period.

[The_Pharcyde]

Don't be a mOark. Bless goes hard. You don't want to be on his bad side, period.


I'm just saying, people dissing the legends of the game
Like they didn't set the path for literally everything that came after
No MJ, no LBJ, no Kobe

And they would be the 1st to tell you that

[Bless Mathews]

Yeah Steve Nash, dirk, Kevin love, Tim duncan, marc, pau gasol and ginobili are genetic freaks!!!

Get your young ass to sleep, bball and football are not even comparable.. Bball is so much more about skill
Didn't you learn anything about the unathletic as hell Spurs outside of kawhi beating the almighty lebron james and Miami Heat in the finals

I know you are just trying to rile up all the older dudes who love wilt and Russell
But have some respect for the legends of the game..
This post alone shows how much you know about the game regardless of your response back

Watch your fingers fucc boy.

Of course bball is more about skill.

But OVERALL. Damn. Someone 6'8" 220 in the sixties was a center power forward at best. Limited skill set. OVERALL. now a days, players 6'6,-6'8" have 20 times the skill set. Dribbling. Driving. Shooting. Guarding smaller quicker players. What are you even typing about? Show me a player back then 6'8"-7' that could dribble the length of the floor, pull up from 3 and or blow by for a dunk.

Your straight retOarded.

Skill AND athleticism is way up. SMh.

Which leads perfect to your examples.

You forgetting the basics. Dirk , a 7 footer with the COORDINATION and quickness , for his size, yes he is an athletic freak. His shooting and iq puts him into hall of fame caliber.

The gasol brothers. Same thing. Once again, how many 7 footers had the COORDINATION to do what they do. That is athleticism. Otherwise why wouldn't all 7 footers doing it in the 60's? They weren't aware of a thing called dribbling??????

GTFO.

Peak Nash's combination quickness and speed is freakish.

wtf you typin about???

Skill and athleticism is light years ahead. Period.

Starting 5 of average 6'8 nba players today that can ALL dribble, shoot, out jump all them scrubs in the 60's would dominate. Not to mention the elite players.

Football is skill. You think you just line up and hit? Same things apply , footwork, technique, smarts. Strength.

GTFO kid.

Log out your alias and face me like a man.

Scrub

[Bless Mathews]

Don't be a mOark. Bless goes hard. You don't want to be on his bad side, period.


Real type my niggah.

[Bless Mathews]

dUmb to compare football to basketball. While I agree things have evolved size and strength are extremely important in football.. and there's no telling if you put older athletes on today's regimens they wouldn't be bigger. Would be silly to assume otherwise actually

Basketball is more skill.. average heights haven't changed perimeter players have gotten more athletic and probably better but big men have gotten worse, so dumb comparison

Once again bruh, a "big man " in the 60's was 6'8,6'9??

That couldn't dribble, couldn't shoot past 8 feet.

Today a player of that size has 20 times more SKILLS.

come on bruh.

[tpols]

Once again bruh, a "big man " in the 60's was 6'8,6'9??

That couldn't dribble, couldn't shoot past 8 feet.
Today a player of that size has 20 times more SKILLS.

come on bruh.

Wilt Russell Kareem are all 60s/70s centers.. and they faced a bunch of strong really tough guys outside themsleves.. willis reed nate Thurmond etc

They would rape big men of today's league. Idc if they can't shoot long range.. that's actually a flaw to play that way at that height

Only thing I agree with is guard/perimeter play getting more advanced especially with evolution of dribbling and shooting..

[CavaliersFTW]

Once again bruh, a "big man " in the 60's was 6'8,6'9??

That couldn't dribble, couldn't shoot past 8 feet.

Today a player of that size has 20 times more SKILLS.

come on bruh.
Um, 6-8 players dribbling, driving, and shooting, as well as versatile defensive flexibility are nothing new to the game of basketball.

Here's 6-7.5 without shoes Rudy LaRusso, (Same height as Kevin Love or Tristan Thompson).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sl9mYV77uU

He can push the ball up the floor, drive, shoot, switch on defense... I see no signs of him lacking in any inate ability say, Kevin Love has. And he's a lot more skilled than Tristan Thompson.

Check yourself before you talk shit. LaRusso is not even a big name superstar of the 60's and he does everything you said he couldn't, which is actually more than many solid NBA players (like Tristan Thompson) are capable of doing today.

[Bless Mathews]

Wilt Russell Kareem are all 60s/70s centers.. and they faced a bunch of strong really tough guys outside themsleves.. willis reed nate Thurmond etc

They would rape big men of today's league. Idc if they can't shoot long range.. that's actually a flaw to play that way at that height

Only thing I agree with is guard/perimeter play getting more advanced especially with evolution of dribbling and shooting..

Im sure they'd have success against today's bigs. Some more than others.

But my point vice versa, today's players would SHIT on older players.

You don't think Anthony Davis, Noah could have success defending Kareem? Comeon. Compared to what he was going against ?

But flip it, how many 7 footers today would straight blow by Kareem and or pull up and or (fill in the blank of the plethora of moves today's players have)

Comeon.


And yea man. The OVERALL SIZE of what we are so brainwashed now. " 3's stretch 3's 4's, stretch 4's ARE ALL THE SIZE OF AVERAGE CENTER IN THE 60's WITH 30 times the SKILL.

Damn. I guess maybe that's what's your missing bruh. To my main point about art shell. Obviously he was skilled, you don't become a hall of famer in ANY era or any sport on size alone. It's the same thing , and pure physics, players these days have WAY more skill sets and being taller and stronger. It would be the same thing. Art shell would get his shit pushed in by a decent college player today.

[Jameerthefear]

Um, 6-8 players dribbling, driving, and shooting, as well as versatile defensive flexibility are nothing new to the game of basketball.

Here's 6-7.5 without shoes Rudy LaRusso, (Same height as Kevin Love or Tristan Thompson).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sl9mYV77uU

He can push the ball up the floor, drive, shoot, switch on defense... I see no signs of him lacking in any inate ability say, Kevin Love has. And he's a lot more skilled than Tristan Thompson.

Check yourself before you talk shit. LaRusso is not even a big name superstar of the 60's and he does everything you said he couldn't, which is actually more than many solid NBA players (like Tristan Thompson) are capable of doing today.
Wow! He looks like a solid DIII player! Nice video.

[Bless Mathews]

Um, 6-8 players dribbling, driving, and shooting, as well as versatile defensive flexibility are nothing new to the game of basketball.

Here's 6-7.5 without shoes Rudy LaRusso, (Same height as Kevin Love or Tristan Thompson).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sl9mYV77uU

He can push the ball up the floor, drive, shoot, switch on defense... I see no signs of him lacking in any inate ability say, Kevin Love has. And he's a lot more skilled than Tristan Thompson.

Check yourself before you talk shit. LaRusso is not even a big name superstar of the 60's and he does everything you said he couldn't, which is actually more than many solid NBA players (like Tristan Thompson) are capable of doing today.

HAHAHAHAHHA. Hahahahhahaha

My stomach. My stomach.

You should start analyzing volleyball.

Bro.

Wheres the real time footage?

That was the slo motion right?

Comeon.

Really though. Link me to the real time footage.


Thanks.

[CavaliersFTW]

HAHAHAHAHHA. Hahahahhahaha

My stomach. My stomach.

You should start analyzing volleyball.

Bro.

Wheres the real time footage?

That was the slo motion right?

Comeon.

Really though. Link me to the real time footage.


Thanks.
Moving goal posts - I'll take this as an admission of defeat. You must've had a really bad day today what happened your boss give you a bad review? Get in a fight with your GF?

Skills are what you criticized, now once that's blown up your attention shifts to, what exactly? Your perception of their speed?

Let me fill you in on a little something about 1960's black and white cameras - and the playback of what they captured in "360p" on Youtube. To begin with those cameras did not capture all the fine details of movement and quickness that cameras of the 1980's and onwards were capable of capturing. The resolution of that particular game is poor (360p source) so you can't even see the players hands and all the subtle head fakes, hand speed, footspeed, etc going on which is important in evaluating quickness, and with the lighting/aperture of the cameras back then motion was more blurred thus further stifling the ability to capture quickness. It isn't the players, it's the cameras, as those same players in the 1984 Legends games appear visibly quicker despite playing in their 40's and 50's. Simply due to improvements in camera technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsz3wLZfwSo

By 1972 cameras were improved, though in dimly lit arenas (such as the Forum) the motion was still difficult to capture. None the less just to hammer home the "skill" part.

6-8 without shoes Connie Hawkins 72 ASG (Amare Stoudemire / Kevin Love height)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxp_N46XPUk

Or how about some Spencer Haywood (Same, 6-8 without shoes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EAaVv4ap0o

They aren't skilled? They aren't athletic? Hurr durr.

[Bless Mathews]

Moving goal posts - I'll take this as an admission of defeat. You must've had a really bad day today what happened your boss give you a bad review? Get in a fight with your GF?

Skills are what you criticized, now once that's blown up your attention shifts to, what exactly? Your perception of their speed?

Let me fill you in on a little something about 1960's black and white cameras - and the playback of what they captured in "360p" on Youtube. To begin with those cameras did not capture all the fine details of movement and quickness that cameras of the 1980's and onwards were capable of capturing. The resolution of that particular game is poor (360p source) so you can't even see the players hands and all the subtle head fakes, hand speed, footspeed, etc going on which is important in evaluating quickness, and with the lighting/aperture of the cameras back then motion was more blurred thus further stifling the ability to capture quickness. It isn't the players, it's the cameras, as those same players in the 1984 Legends games appear visibly quicker despite playing in their 40's and 50's. Simply due to improvements in camera technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsz3wLZfwSo

By 1972 cameras were improved, though in dimly lit arenas (such as the Forum) the motion was still difficult to capture. None the less just to hammer home the "skill" part.

6-8 without shoes Connie Hawkins 72 ASG (Amare Stoudemire / Kevin Love height)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxp_N46XPUk

Or how about some Spencer Haywood (Same, 6-8 without shoes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EAaVv4ap0o

They aren't skilled? They aren't athletic? Hurr durr.


Haha

Bro.

Stop.

That first video looked like slo motion. Capture papture.

It's sad when you have to resort to a 6'8 guy dribbling all right handed at walking speed.

The cameras couldn't pick up his crossover dribble. It was to fast. Or how bout his between the legs juke move to create space from defender? They couldn't pick up those skilled moves??

You realize how retOarded you look right now bruh?

Straight up ELEMENTARY skill and you really try blaming on the cameras?

Straight up bruh. Now I feel sorry for you.

[CavaliersFTW]

Haha

Bro.

Stop.

That first video looked like slo motion. Capture papture.

It's sad when you have to resort to a 6'8 guy dribbling all right handed at walking speed.

The cameras couldn't pick up his crossover dribble. It was to fast. Or how bout his between the legs juke move to create space from defender? They couldn't pick up those skilled moves??

You realize how retOarded you look right now bruh?

Straight up ELEMENTARY skill and you really try blaming on the cameras?

Straight up bruh. Now I feel sorry for you.
Denial.

- sees a 6-8 player 60's player (not even a superstar) that can shoot, drive, push the ball up the floor after claiming it couldn't be done in the 60's.

- attacks their quickness (due to film not even due to the player)

- so I post 2 more 6-8 players with skill and undeniable athleticism.

Ignores it. :oldlol:

Carry on Bless, but hold this L your thread is as shitty as your rep, I see how you got it.

[Bless Mathews]

Denial.

- sees a 6-8 player 60's player (not even a superstar) that can shoot, drive, push the ball up the floor after claiming it couldn't be done in the 60's.

- attacks their quickness (due to film not even due to the player)

- so I post 2 more 6-8 players with skill and undeniable athleticism.

Ignores it. :oldlol:

Carry on Bless, but hold this L your thread is as shitty as your rep, I see how you got it.


Bro. Are you delerious bro?

It's not even in the same league of athleticism as today

Don't you think it's sad when you have to "prove" a player that's 6'8" and can dribble, is just that a PLAYER THAT CAN BARELY DRIBBLE THE DAMN BALL. like a damn 5th grade point guard. Shit my 9 year old got a better left than that first dude.

Do you not watch basketball today bro?



Because a player CAN literally dribble and that's it, that equals this :

http://youtu.be/kEkXkyR_GD0



You're fuccin high bro. Crazy.

Seriously 1,000 times more skill at same height. Any of them stuck in slow mo only can dribble with right hand and head down SCRUBS.




Watch that fuccin middle school tutorial on how to right hand dribble than watch that.

What the **** is wrong with you? Straight up. Seek professional help. Give up.

NO ONE was even close to doing that in the 60's and player x is 6'8".

Seriously bro. You are the king retard in the history of message boarding.

[CavaliersFTW]

Bro. Are you delerious bro?

Because a player CAN literally dribble and that's it, that equals this :

http://youtu.be/kEkXkyR_GD0



You're fuccin high bro. Crazy.

Seriously 1,000 times more skill at same height. Any of them stuck in slow mo only can dribble with right hand and head down SCRUBS.




Watch that fuccin middle school tutorial on how to right hand dribble than watch that.

What the **** is wrong with you? Straight up. Seek professional help. Give up.

NO ONE was even close to doing that in the 60's and player x is 6'8".

Seriously bro. You are the king retard in the history of message boarding.
*Whistle*

He's carrying the ball.

Reason 60's players don't do those hesitation dribbles is the same reason they don't get awarded 3 points for shooting beyond 23 feet.

They can cross over (the non-carry kind), dribble with both hands, etc. Leave it to an AI generation fan to think carrying a basketball is MORE skilled than not carrying. :roll:

P.S. Tracy McGrady is 6-7.

[DonDadda59]

If you turned Spurs highlights from last year into black and white grainy film, no one would be able to tell the difference between them and the Celtics from their 60s championship runs. People grossly over exaggerate the level of athleticism in today's NBA. If anything, there's less genetic freaks in the league now than in past eras. Smaller/skinny jump shooters rule the NBA today. The best scorer of this generation is a twig who couldn't do a single rep of 185 lbs on the bench press. The most prolific big man of this era is a pasty, pudgy, undersized White guy with the athleticism of a potato.

[Bless Mathews]

*Whistle*

He's carrying the ball.

Reason 60's players don't do those hesitation dribbles is the same reason they don't get awarded 3 points for shooting beyond 23 feet.

They can cross over (the non-carry kind), dribble with both hands, etc. Leave it to an AI generation fan to think carrying a basketball is MORE skilled than not carrying. :roll:

P.S. Tracy McGrady is 6-7.

BwahahahhaahhahahahahahBabbBnNnNnhahahahhahhAh


Ok bro. You ARE retOarded.

Mcgrady is 6'8". WTf are you typing about?

Here's a solid 6'8" solid 240 pounds.

*video don't start till 1:31 for some reason

http://youtu.be/MLlp1SszdQM

WTf is wrong with you?

Literally 200 times more skill than your slo mo era one hand dead down dribblers.

STOP.

[Bless Mathews]

If you turned Spurs highlights from last year into black and white grainy film, no one would be able to tell the difference between them and the Celtics from their 60s championship runs. People grossly over exaggerate the level of athleticism in today's NBA. If anything, there's less genetic freaks in the league now than in past eras. Smaller/skinny jump shooters rule the NBA today. The best scorer of this generation is a twig who couldn't do a single rep of 185 lbs on the bench press. The most prolific big man of this era is a pasty, pudgy, undersized White guy with the athleticism of a potato.

HahahahhahahahahahahahahahhHahahH


Yea. Leonard at 6'7" flying around d ing up guards would be the same???

Parker slashing crossing over is the same?

Danny green pulling threes in literally a split second is the same?

WTf are y'all on?

The overall speed is 10 times faster. Regardless that the spurs half court offense is methodical. And if you look close, their OVERALL speed off ball half court offense is WAY faster. Ran by players bigger and stronger.

My lord.

And the best scorer IS 6'11 WITH HANDLES AND MOVES THAT NO ONE HIS SIZE HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO DO.

YES. A GENETIC FREAK. COORDINATION IS A PART OD ATHLETICISM

I swear. Y'all are straight stupid.

[CavaliersFTW]

BwahahahhaahhahahahahahBabbBnNnNnhahahahhahhAh


Ok bro. You ARE retOarded.

Mcgrady is 6'8". WTf are you typing about?

Here's a solid 6'8" solid 240 pounds.

*video don't start till 1:31 for some reason

http://youtu.be/MLlp1SszdQM

WTf is wrong with you?

Literally 200 times more skill than your slo mo era one hand dead down dribblers.

STOP.
A solid 6-7 205lbs

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tracy-Mcgrady-3517/

PS, stop posting "career" highlights of your favorite AI generation players expecting something similar to exist of 60's generation players. You can watch a few single games from that era, that's it. There are no such thing as career highlights of players back then, even the most super of the super stars back then have 98% and sometimes more of their career's missing on film. Lower market team players have almost 99.5% of their career missing on film.

And until I came along no one bothered to attempt to comb through all of the half a percent to 2% that exists for those guys to make several minutes worth of varied "highlights" for those players.

[DonDadda59]

HahahahhahahahahahahahahahhHahahH


Yea. Leonard at 6'7" flying around d ing up guards would be the same???

Parker slashing crossing over is the same?

Danny green pulling threes in literally a split second is the same?

WTf are y'all on?

The overall speed is 10 times faster. Regardless that the spurs half coir is methodical. And if you look close, their OVERALL speed off ball half court offense is WAY faster. Ran by players bigger and stronger.

My lord.

Except the pace in the 60s was MUCH faster than anything you see today.

Tim Duncan is less athletic than Bill Russell, at any stage of their careers. Yet Timmy is still competing for/winning rings, making all star games... at 38 years old, waaaaay past his prime... in an era that's supposedly so advanced. How is that possible?

I need someone to name all these supposed athletic marvels running around in the NBA today because when I watch games I see Kevin Durant (AKA a skinnier, weaker, less athletic Bob McAdoo) winning multiple scoring titles, James Harden (:lol ), Steph Curry (again, another rail thin jumper shooter), Klay Thompson, etc running the game. Kevin Love was putting up 27/13+ as the first option. Again, put his highlights to a black and white filter with some film grain and you'd have people telling you he wouldn't make the JV squad of a middle school if he played today.

LeBron is the only bonafide athletic marvel of his era and he's been on a steep athletic decline for a while now.

So please, name the freaks in the NBA today who are on the same plane athletically as say Shaq, MJ, Wilt.

I'll wait.

[AirFederer]

The Sixties was a weak era for mountain lions.

Also, strength and weight are both influenced by hgh and modern PED's

[CavaliersFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHcrG6gfJhI

According to OP this is the kind of player that "doesn't exist" in the 60's.

[Bless Mathews]

Except the pace in the 60s was MUCH faster than anything you see today.

Tim Duncan is less athletic than Bill Russell, at any stage of their careers. Yet Timmy is still competing for/winning rings, making all star games... at 38 years old, waaaaay past his prime... in an era that's supposedly so advanced. How is that possible?

I need someone to name all these supposed athletic marvels running around in the NBA today because when I watch games I see Kevin Durant (AKA a skinnier, weaker, less athletic Bob McAdoo) winning multiple scoring titles, James Harden (:lol ), Steph Curry (again, another rail thin jumper shooter), Klay Thompson, etc running the game. Kevin Love was putting up 27/13+ as the first option. Again, put his highlights to a black and white filter with some film grain and you'd have people telling you he wouldn't make the JV squad of a middle school if he played today.

LeBron is the only bonafide athletic marvel of his era and he's been on a steep athletic decline for a while now.

So please, name the freaks in the NBA today who are on the same plane athletically as say Shaq, MJ, Wilt.

I'll wait.

A person that is 6'11 and can juke And dribble and rain threes on goat status IS A FREAK.

until you recognize that, there is absolutely no point wasting time with your ignant ass.

[Bless Mathews]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHcrG6gfJhI

According to OP this is the kind of player that "doesn't exist" in the 60's.

Not bad for a 6'7 235 power forward /center. Not bad at all.

Active athletic big.

Skill set of a Jamal mashburn or t Mac?

:lol :roll:

Proving my point AGAIN. players these days at his height can do SO MUCH more. Way more skill.

Dude was solid against all those other 6'7 bigs though. Real type

[J Shuttlesworth]

Bless, hold this W

Straight slaying grandpas in here :applause:

[DonDadda59]

A person that is 6'11 and can juke And dribble and rain threes on goat status IS A FREAK.

until you recognize that, there is absolutely no point wasting time with your ignant ass.

Damn... weak era for freaks.

If this dude (best scorer of his generation, 4 scoring titles and counting) had played in the 60s-80s... I'd hate to see what the kids here would say about his prospects of making the super athletic, advanced defense oriented NBA today :oldlol:

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/kevin-durant-tattoos.jpeg


According to the Times, Durant was the only prospect at camp who failed to bench press 185 pounds, and finished behind Oden in some key drills, including the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2007/news/story?id=2894925


Couldn't do ONE rep.

Durant = skinner, less athletic, MUCH weaker version of-

http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/bob_mcadoo_1974_01_01.jpg

And I love how you disregarded my request. So again, go ahead and name the player right now who is bigger, stronger, more athletic than Shaquille O'Neal.

Again, I'll be waiting

[SHAQisGOAT]

I believe the peak league's average height was in the 80's (and most players back then were measured w/o shoes on). Average weight has been nearly the same for quite some time, and nowadays they update it and even inflate it more.

[Bless Mathews]

Damn... weak era for freaks.

If this dude (best scorer of his generation, 4 scoring titles and counting) had played in the 60s-80s... I'd hate to see what the kids here would say about his prospects of making the super athletic, advanced defense oriented NBA today :oldlol:

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/kevin-durant-tattoos.jpeg


According to the Times, Durant was the only prospect at camp who failed to bench press 185 pounds, and finished behind Oden in some key drills, including the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2007/news/story?id=2894925


Couldn't do ONE rep.

Durant = skinner, less athletic, MUCH weaker version of-

http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/bob_mcadoo_1974_01_01.jpg

And I love how you disregarded my request. So again, go ahead and name the player right now who is bigger, stronger, more athletic than Shaquille O'Neal.

Again, I'll be waiting

Once again, show me footage of mcadoo crossing someone over step back three.

Dribbling full court and finishing

Show me some footage where a sane person can see players doing similar moves.

As if watching Kobe and mj highlight clips back to back.

Just gtfo. Stupid idiotic shit.

The handles of KD. The range. The finishing. Got damn.

And wtf ? Shaq is a "modern era " player. Not from the 60's. Most dominate player ever. I've typed it many times.

He's not from the 60's you fuccin herb. He's a modern era player.

The op and discussion is how much players have advanced both physically and skill wise from THE 60'S!!!

Damn.

[Bless Mathews]

Bless, hold this W

Straight slaying grandpas in here :applause:


My niggah.

:applause:

It's like they have a disease and can't watch modern footage.

Resort to cameras and carrying.

Lol.

Straight up sad.

[DonDadda59]

Once again, show me footage of mcadoo crossing someone over step back three.

Dribbling full court and finishing

Show me some footage where a sane person can see players doing similar moves.



There you go, champ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt029J64GI4)

Now name the player in the NBA in 2015 who is bigger, stronger, more athletic than Shaquille O'Neal was in his rookie season in 1992.

Still waiting.

Any time you're ready.

[Bless Mathews]

There you go, champ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt029J64GI4)

Now name the player in the NBA in 2015 who is bigger, stronger, more athletic than Shaquille O'Neal was in his rookie season in 1992.

Still waiting.

Any time you're ready.

Damn.

Read.

Read. Should I spell it out for you?

Damn

Shaq is a "modern era player" NOT FROM THE 60's. What on gods green earth is wrong with you? The op is comparing 60's players to "modern era players".

For real. What is wrong with you. When did I bring up shaq?

HES THE MOST DOMINANT PLAYER EVER THAT PLAYED IN THIS ERA. HAS MANY FORMER TEAMMATES THAT ARE STILL PLAYING

HOLY FUCC YOUR DUMB.

That's the same game as KD?

You ARE A FUCCIN CLOWN.

he's a big that plays like a big. Solid moves around the hoop.

Still waiting for an ISO on top of key dribble penetration to hoop and or step back three.

You seriously can't be that dumb if you think they have even remotely the same game.

Fuccin idiots. Damn.

[DonDadda59]

Damn.

Read.

Read. Should I spell it out for you?

Damn

Shaq is a "modern era player" NOT FROM THE 60's. What on gods green earth is wrong with you? The op is comparing 60's players to "modern era players".

For real. What is wrong with you. When did I bring up shaq?

HES THE MOST DOMINANT PLAYER EVER THAT PLAYED IN THIS ERA. HAS MANY FORMER TEAMMATES THAT ARE STILL PLAYING

HOLY FUCC YOUR DUMB.

That's the same game as KD?

You ARE A FUCCIN CLOWN.

he's a big that plays like a big. Solid moves around the hoop.

Still waiting for an ISO on top of key dribble penetration to hoop and or step back three.

You seriously can't be that dumb if you think they have even remotely the same game.

Fuccin idiots. Damn.

Damn, did I catch you on your period? Come on I thought you were OG frickety fresh from the 202 or wherever the f*ck you keep going on about. Is that how people from your hood react to talk about ball... like some emotional bitches? :oldlol:

You can't name any players outside of maybe LeBron James who are true, rare athletic freaks from this era. The best scorer of this generation is a twig who'd be too weak to work as a grocery bagger, the best big in this era is a pudgy white guy who has the athleticism of a potato, and James F*cking Harden is about to win MVP :lol

The Spurs just clowned LeBron last year and their players have the collective athleticism of the 60s Celtics. A 38 year old Duncan is still clowning PFs/Cs and playing in all star games.

Name these genetic freaks I've been hearing so much about. I want specific names. No more beating around the bush. Cards on the table nigguh.

[Bless Mathews]

A solid 6-7 205lbs

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tracy-Mcgrady-3517/

PS, stop posting "career" highlights of your favorite AI generation players expecting something similar to exist of 60's generation players. You can watch a few single games from that era, that's it. There are no such thing as career highlights of players back then, even the most super of the super stars back then have 98% and sometimes more of their career's missing on film. Lower market team players have almost 99.5% of their career missing on film.

And until I came along no one bothered to attempt to comb through all of the half a percent to 2% that exists for those guys to make several minutes worth of varied "highlights" for those players.

Draft express? You mean as a growing 17-18 year old?

They updated http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tracy-Mcgrady-3517/

Edit. That's the same damn link. Where does it say he's 6'7"?
Got Dayum!!

Just proves your problems bruh. You really got fight tooth and nail bout him being 6'8" when every single site lists him at that? Damn.

What's more credible draft express or bball reference ?

Or all these other sites?

https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&ei=VX8KVZ63DbWIsQT4ioD4CQ&q=tracy+mcgrady+height&oq=tra&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.41i56i70j41j0l2.2714.14312.0.15577.16.9.6.2 .2.0.478.2415.0j1j6j1j1.9.0.crnk_mobile.3..0...1.1 .62.mobile-gws-hp..0.16.2223.3.qQHnUw_T5mY

Damn.

And it doesn't matter about highlights.

You could cut video right before shot on any of shots that go in or not. Point is he has 100 times more skill to get to the shot. Don't you fuccin get it? 100 times more athleticism

Fucc.

[CavaliersFTW]

Bless, stop. Gus Johnson is a hell of a lot bigger and stronger than Tmac and yet is still incredibly skilled, making passes Tmac never made in his life in that video. You say "well they aren't athletic" "well they aren't big" "well they aren't skilled" Which is it boy? Shifting the goal posts makes you look like you're either stammering or stupid.

Gus is Tmac's height but would break him in half physically. Far more muscular and explosive. You want more agility? A T-mac caliber player in a Tmac sized frame? A product of the 60's/Wilt Chamberlain era player? Okay. Doctor J:
http://youtu.be/50yUKl-4uUU

You can't win this. I've got an archive of that era, if you mention something couldn't be done back then it's either rules, or you are lying out your ass and I can make you look like the fool you are acting. ELITE all-time players were playing back then with a wide variety of talents and skills. Players of all sizes. Why constantly troll about this, did a 60's era player **** your mother or something?

[SHAQisGOAT]

Once again, show me footage of mcadoo crossing someone over step back three.

Dribbling full court and finishing

Show me some footage where a sane person can see players doing similar moves.

As if watching Kobe and mj highlight clips back to back.

Just gtfo. Stupid idiotic shit.

The handles of KD. The range. The finishing. Got damn.

And wtf ? Shaq is a "modern era " player. Not from the 60's. Most dominate player ever. I've typed it many times.

He's not from the 60's you fuccin herb. He's a modern era player.

The op and discussion is how much players have advanced both physically and skill wise from THE 60'S!!!

Damn.

Kinda hard to find footage of him shooting 3's and whatnot since he grew up without the 3-point line and spent his prime years in the league before it was introduced.

Also hard to see him dribble like Durant because he would've been called for carrying 7 times out of 10 if he pulled the same shit back in the day.

Let's not underrate/overlook McAdoo though, dude was pretty tall with lots of length, very athletic, could shoot like a guard, had range and soft touch around the rim, terrific scorer, equipped with a postgame, knew how to handle the rock, rebounded really well, nice defensive player, not a bad passer, high IQ... Dude could play the 4, the 5 or the 3; out there hanging with Kareem, Lanier, Hayes, Cowens or Mo Lucas, even with the Lakers very valuable also by guarding swingmen.
Also one of the GOATs at hitting contest jumpers.

Before injuries slowed him down (too early), he was a complete beast... He was easily stronger than Durant, just as mobile and long, better rebounder, better defender, not quite as great of a shooter but still very good, with a bit fewer "guard moves" but had a better postgame, up there as a scorer.

Want some footage (from the few there is)?...

Going past Phil Smith (6'4 guard) off the dribble and jamming on Kareem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsJG5ek5fkI&t=20m9s

Handling it on the perimeter, taking it to the cup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuQ3unu2YAQ&t=1m25s

Showing the range on his J:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsJG5ek5fkI&t=17m43s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPqnpxhFWhw&t=12m34s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsJG5ek5fkI&t=1m45s

Running ahead of everybody on the break to finish at the rim:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuQ3unu2YAQ&t=1m12s

Unseld couldn't contest it better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuQ3unu2YAQ&t=2m42s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuQ3unu2YAQ&t=8m27s

Great finish at the rim:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPqnpxhFWhw&t=12m6s

Turnaround jumper off the post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuQ3unu2YAQ&t=2m25s

Driving around Kareem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsJG5ek5fkI&t=3m5s

Up-fake then the bucket:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuQ3unu2YAQ&t=4m45s

Steal and slam on the fb:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuQ3unu2YAQ&t=9m9s

Even after injuries could still do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTGDs8-jJj4

...

Anyways, that was just his game, doesn't mean a big with a terrific post-game and so forth, that doesn't play like that, can't have tremendous skill or something...

[warriorfan]

There you go, champ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt029J64GI4)

Now name the player in the NBA in 2015 who is bigger, stronger, more athletic than Shaquille O'Neal was in his rookie season in 1992.

Still waiting.

Any time you're ready.


Nice video. Pre-Injury McAdoo beat out prime Kareem for an MVP award, he was extremely legit.