"Better to make the finals and lose than not even make the finals."

[stalkerforlife]

I get the intention of this favorite Bran stan statement, but here's the thing...

Bran is playing in the worst conference the NBA has ever seen.

Bran stacks his teams with the best talent to eliminate any and all competition in the worst conference in NBA history. There is zero chance any team can compete with those rosters he assembles in that conference.

If Bran didn't at LEAST make the finals with his stacked rosters in that conference, it would be a TRAVESTY.

Therefore, it IS a knock on him that he's 2/5. ANY elite player leading those stacked rosters in that conference would be GUARANTEED a finals appearance. A finals appearance is NOT an achievement with those ROSTERS in that CONFERENCE.

[SouBeachTalents]

I get the intention of this favorite Bran stan statement, but here's the thing...

Bran is playing in the worst conference the NBA has ever seen.

Bran stacks his teams with the best talent to eliminate any and all competition in the worst conference in NBA history. There is zero chance any team can compete with those rosters he assembles in that conference.

If Bran didn't at LEAST make the finals with his stacked rosters in that conference, it would be a TRAVESTY.

Therefore, it IS a knock on him that he's 2/5. ANY elite player leading those stacked rosters in that conference would be GUARANTEED a finals appearance. A finals appearance is NOT an achievement with those ROSTERS in that CONFERENCE.

So then wouldn't it be MUCH worse to lose to a team from the worst conference in NBA history than win it?

[plowking]

Bran is playing in the worst conference the NBA has ever seen.



This is not even close to true, nor is this current conference anywhere near top 15 worst of all time.

[BigBoss]

Is it okay of Mayweather loses against Pacquiao? I mean at least he got there and made a ton of money. Thats an accolade in itself!

Lebron stans are hilarious

[Smoke117]

:sleeping

[SouBeachTalents]

Is it okay of Mayweather loses against Pacquiao? I mean at least he got there and made a ton of money. Thats an accolade in itself!

Lebron stans are hilarious

Yeah, because he's in a tournament beating 3 boxers before facing Pacquiao. Genius analogy

[stalkerforlife]

So then wouldn't it be MUCH worse to lose to a team from the worst conference in NBA history than win it?

Losing to a stacked Heat team that colluded with three stars in their primes is not shameful.

The Heat eliminated any and all competition in the east with the cowardly collusion and if not for Bran's choking, they'd have won 4 straight titles.

[stalkerforlife]

This is not even close to true, nor is this current conference anywhere near top 15 worst of all time.

Get real.

The east is a damn joke. Horrid. No team other than the Cavs will win the east and we all know it. If the Cavs fail to win the east, it will be the biggest choke in NBA history.

[stalkerforlife]

Is it okay of Mayweather loses against Pacquiao? I mean at least he got there and made a ton of money. Thats an accolade in itself!

Lebron stans are hilarious

Exactly.

Mayweather loses and his legacy is DESTROYED.

[dubeta]

Its better to 'collude' and make the finals (2011 Heat) than collude and lose in the 1st round (2013 Lakers). Wouldnt you agree OP?

[SpecialQue]

Losing to a stacked Heat team that colluded with three stars in their primes is not shameful.

The Heat eliminated any and all competition in the east with the cowardly collusion and if not for Bran's choking, they'd have won 4 straight titles.

The Spurs eviscerated them in the last finals. Where are you getting this "4 straight titles" shit from?

[stalkerforlife]

Its better to 'collude' and make the finals (2011 Heat) than collude and lose in the 1st round (2013 Lakers). Wouldnt you agree OP?

:oldlol:

Bran colludes with superstars in their primes, not overrated, injury prone centers coming off major surgery and 41 year old long haired point guards.

[stalkerforlife]

The Spurs eviscerated them in the last finals. Where are you getting this "4 straight titles" shit from?

Bran choked. He wasn't aggressive enough. He only cared about efficiency. He didn't lay it on the line.

[dubeta]

:oldlol:

Bran colludes with superstars in their primes, not overrated, injury prone centers coming off major surgery and 41 year old long haired point guards.

So Bosh is a superstar but peak DPOY Dwight isnt? :oldlol:

It wasnt surgery, Kobe Ball literally turned Dwight into a role player

[JT123]

:oldlol:

Bran colludes with superstars in their primes, not overrated, injury prone centers coming off major surgery and 41 year old long haired point guards.
Nash was coming off an All Star caliber season the year prior to teaming up with Kobe, and he was only 38. :oldlol:
Howard was also the best big man in the game at the time, injured or not. No coincidence that playing with Kobe ruined their careers. Cancer like that doesn't just go away. Even when you change teams (Howard) it sticks with you.

[pauk]

No its not more prestigious to lose any earlier than Finals, especially not missing the playoffs entirely.....

Its not a "Bran statement", its simply a basketball logic statement.... you dont like "Bran", we get it, but you are disrespecting NBA history with your logic.... every team & player, even your guy Kobe & your Lakers... he i think has 7 Finals appearances right, would you rather him and Lakers quit in the 1st round or miss the playoffs than try compete for those 2 extra championships? 5 rings & 7 Finals appearances is better than 5 rings & 5 Finals appearances.... the 2 less Finals appearances is 2 LESSER playoff runs of performances & totals from Kobe... meaning it takes AWAY from his Legacy rather than ADDS.... sorry...

[ISHGoat]

This is the stupid argument in sports ever.

It is better to not medal than be in the finals and lose? Do you really think 2 gold medals and 3 silver medals is a terrible outcome in 11 years?

[SouBeachTalents]

Get real.

The east is a damn joke. Horrid. No team other than the Cavs will win the east and we all know it. If the Cavs fail to win the east, it will be the biggest choke in NBA history.

Pretty much contradicts your entire argument

[dubeta]

LeBron Family completely owning this thread :oldlol:

[JT123]

LeBron Family completely owning this thread :oldlol:
:roll: OP and the other Kobe trolls taking L's left, right, and center.
#theyshook

[DMAVS41]

WTF is this thread?

Of course it's better to make the finals than to lose earlier. Are people serious with this shit?

[warriorfan]

LeVirgin Family



virgins gonna virgin

[J Shuttlesworth]

If he had lost in the ECF in 2007, 2011, and 2014, he would be 2/2

For some reason, idiots on ISH think this is better than getting farther.

I also saw some idiots saying they'd rather be 5/7 than 7/14

[stalkerforlife]

Point is, 2/5 is a HUGE knock on him and ruins his legacy. Well, the collusion with two teams ruined his legacy more, but whatever.

2/5 is horrid considering he's had complete cakewalks to the finals for years with his stacked rosters in a horrid conference. He's literally given the luxury of taking breaks ON THE COURT because he knows no team in that conference can compete with that kind of superstar collusion. The west is over there kicking the hell out of one another and Bran can just rest up.

2/5 is HORRIBLE considering the circumstances and Bran will never be top 10 because of it.

[Mr. Jabbar]

completely agree with op. making the finals there is like getting a playoff spot in the west in terms of real accomplishment.

there is a reason silver wants to end conference seeding after these last pathetic years. western playoff teams should ask for a refund

[dubeta]

LeBron gets knocked for losing in the finals as a 22 year old in 2007,

Kobe misses the playoffs in his prime, noone cares


LeBron gets knocked for losing in 5 to the Spurs in the Finals, after his two-peat


Kobe gets swept in the 2nd round after his 2-peat, plays like shit, and noone cares


:oldlol:


Subconsciously, even Kobe stans hold LeBron to MUCH higher standards than Godbe

[J Shuttlesworth]

Point is, 2/5 is a HUGE knock on him and ruins his legacy. Well, the collusion with two teams ruined his legacy more, but whatever.

2/5 is horrid considering he's had complete cakewalks to the finals for years with his stacked rosters in a horrid conference. He's literally given the luxury of taking breaks ON THE COURT because he knows no team in that conference can compete with that kind of superstar collusion. The west is over there kicking the hell out of one another and Bran can just rest up.

2/5 is HORRIBLE considering the circumstances and Bran will never be top 10 because of it.
If he was 2/2, would you really consider it better? honestly?

And why hold the 2007 loss against him? Like you said, the EC is weak, and it's not like he had a talented enough team to beat Popvich/Duncan/Parker/Ginobli.

[knicksman]

2/5 is great until you compare it to other ATGs.

[Beastmode88]

LeBron gets knocked for losing in the finals as a 22 year old in 2007,

Kobe misses the playoffs in his prime, noone cares


LeBron gets knocked for losing in 5 to the Spurs in the Finals, after his two-peat


Kobe gets swept in the 2nd round after his 2-peat, plays like shit, and noone cares


:oldlol:


Subconsciously, even Kobe stans hold LeBron to MUCH higher standards than Godbe

Kobe 3 peated. in before shaq

[kennethgriffin]

its not a bad thing to lose in the finals.... as long as you win more times than you lose


win more 1st rounds than you lose

win more 2nd rounds than you lose

win more 3rd rounds than you lose

and win more 4th rounds than you lose... because the object of the game is to win more often than you lose

[JT123]

LeBron gets knocked for losing in the finals as a 22 year old in 2007,

Kobe misses the playoffs in his prime, noone cares


LeBron gets knocked for losing in 5 to the Spurs in the Finals, after his two-peat


Kobe gets swept in the 2nd round after his 2-peat, plays like shit, and noone cares


:oldlol:


Subconsciously, even Kobe stans hold LeBron to MUCH higher standards than Godbe
:applause: Bolded for truth.

[Legends66NBA7]

Not everything is about LeBron James and his fans.

[JT123]

Not everything is about LeBron James and his fans.
Hate to break this to you, but on this forum it is. :pimp:

[kennethgriffin]

kobe bryant playoff series

1st round win/loss record = (13-2)
2nd round win/loss record = (8-5)
3rd round win/loss record = (7-1)
4th round win/loss record = (5-2)




each round you advance to. you should win more than you lose

[dubeta]

kobe bryant playoff series

1st round win/loss record = (13-2)
2nd round win/loss record = (8-5)
3rd round win/loss record = (7-1)
4th round win/loss record = (5-2)




each round you advance to. you should win more than you lose

Whats the record without a player on his team that is more productive than he is? (Higher PER than him)

Its 0-2 in the first round and nothing further than that if I remember correctly

[kennethgriffin]

Whats the record without a player on his team that is more productive than he is? (Higher PER than him)

Its 0-2 in the first round and nothing further than that if I remember correctly


so thats what it looks like when someone shits themselves

[JT123]

Whats the record without a player on his team that is more productive than he is? (Higher PER than him)

Its 0-2 in the first round and nothing further than that if I remember correctly
Ouch

[stalkerforlife]

so thats what it looks like when someone shits themselves

Rat poison.

[dubeta]

so thats what it looks like when someone shits themselves

Yup.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/416307/bryant-another-airball-o.gif

[kennethgriffin]

Ouch





lol@ this r*tard forgetting to log into his alt before replying to himself



lol made you look...

[kennethgriffin]

Yup.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/416307/bryant-another-airball-o.gif


funny how you have to go all the way back to 1997 when kobe was 18 to find anything nearly as bad as lebron from just last june or your post from just a minute ago

[dubeta]

funny how you have to go all the way back to 1997 when kobe was 18 to find anything nearly as bad as lebron from just last june or your post from just a minute ago


I couldve posted every Finals Kobe's been in where he shot sub 40% but that wouldve been redundant

I couldve posted every time Kobe lost while leading a team in the playoffs but he was never the leader of a team

[sdot_thadon]

Well, we can tell op and friends are product of our great American educational system.....:facepalm

[JT123]

funny how you have to go all the way back to 1997 when kobe was 18 to find anything nearly as bad as lebron from just last june or your post from just a minute ago
This goes back just 2 months

[B]Kobe ranks among the worst players in the league this season in a number of categories:

[guy]

Holding the 5 finals appearances against him isn't right. At the same time, his fans acting like he should get a ton of credit for getting to 5 in such a weak conference is stupid too. The implication is that the Finals loser is the 2nd best team in the league, but its not necessarily true. It just means they may have gotten eliminated later then the 2nd best team. There's a pretty good argument that Lebron's team weren't 2nd best in 2007 and 2014. Furthermore, even if it did mean 2nd best, who cares? I don't understand why people count finals appearances and note it on a player's resume like it really means a lot. If that's the case, why don't we count conference finals appearances? Semifinal appearances? First Round appearances? Where does it end?

[dubeta]

[QUOTE=JT123]This goes back just 2 months

[B]Kobe ranks among the worst players in the league this season in a number of categories:

[kennethgriffin]

I couldve posted every Finals Kobe's been in where he shot sub 40% but that wouldve been redundant

I couldve posted every time Kobe lost while leading a team in the playoffs but he was never the leader of a team


you know what else is sub 40%?






the number of accounts on insidehoops that don't belong to you


:roll:

[Showtime2001]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-erlM75wixDk/VL2phNxbscI/AAAAAAAALN4/M65E0MjpbaE/s1600/1.gif

:lol :lol

[kennethgriffin]

Thats the problem, Kobe isn't even good enough these days to go in the playoffs and shit the bed

Just can't even make the playoffs anymore, will end up missing the playoffs the last 4 years of his career.


quoting yourself again eh?

[sdot_thadon]

Holding the 5 finals appearances against him isn't right. At the same time, his fans acting like he should get a ton of credit for getting to 5 in such a weak conference is stupid too. The implication is that the Finals loser is the 2nd best team in the league, but its not necessarily true. It just means they may have gotten eliminated later then the 2nd best team. There's a pretty good argument that Lebron's team weren't 2nd best in 2007 and 2014. Furthermore, even if it did mean 2nd best, who cares? I don't understand why people count finals appearances and note it on a player's resume like it really means a lot. If that's the case, why don't we count conference finals appearances? Semifinal appearances? First Round appearances? Where does it end?
One thing it never makes sense to hold against a player, regardless of sport is his competition. They can only beat whomever is in front of them. Some things are out of their hands and should be treated as such.

[JT123]

Thats the problem, Kobe isn't even good enough these days to go in the playoffs and shit the bed

Just can't even make the playoffs anymore, will end up missing the playoffs the last 4 years of his career.
Holy shit, I never even thought about that until just now. :eek:
Has any other top 15 player missed the playoffs the last 4 years of their career? Kobe just dropped down a few more spots on my all time list.

[kennethgriffin]

Holy shit, I never even thought about that until just now. :eek:
Has any other top 15 player missed the playoffs the last 4 years of their career? Kobe just dropped down a few more spots on my all time list.

didnt you just think of it when you posted it a second ago?

[stalkerforlife]

One thing it never makes sense to hold against a player, regardless of sport is his competition. They can only beat whomever is in front of them. Some things are out of their hands and should be treated as such.

Colluding to form two super teams was not "out of their hands." He did it twice in his prime with fellow superstars in their primes. In an already horrid conference.

[BigBoss]

2/5 is great until you compare it to other ATGs.

Potentially 2 for 6

[dubeta]

Kobe's Legacy

Miss playoffs last 4 years of his career

Miss playoffs in his prime

1 MVP in 20 Seasons

2 FMVP in 20 seasons

2/7 in FMVP's

40% Finals FG percentage

Most missed shots in NBA History


Top 5-6 GOAT tho - kennethgriffin :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[JT123]

Kobe's Legacy

Miss playoffs last 4 years of his career

Miss playoffs in his prime

1 MVP in 20 Seasons

2 FMVP in 20 seasons

2/7 in FMVP's

40% Finals FG percentage

Most missed shots in NBA History


Top 5-6 GOAT tho - kennethgriffin :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll:

[TylerOO]

Is it okay of Mayweather loses against Pacquiao? I mean at least he got there and made a ton of money. Thats an accolade in itself!

Lebron stans are hilarious

:oldlol: Holy shit you are ****ing stupid.

[knicksman]

Kobe's Legacy

Miss playoffs last 4 years of his career

Miss playoffs in his prime

1 MVP in 20 Seasons

2 FMVP in 20 seasons

2/7 in FMVP's

40% Finals FG percentage

Most missed shots in NBA History


Top 5-6 GOAT tho - kennethgriffin :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:sleeping 5/7>>2/5

[sportjames23]

I get the intention of this favorite Bran stan statement, but here's the thing...

Bran is playing in the worst conference the NBA has ever seen.

Bran stacks his teams with the best talent to eliminate any and all competition in the worst conference in NBA history. There is zero chance any team can compete with those rosters he assembles in that conference.

If Bran didn't at LEAST make the finals with his stacked rosters in that conference, it would be a TRAVESTY.

Therefore, it IS a knock on him that he's 2/5. ANY elite player leading those stacked rosters in that conference would be GUARANTEED a finals appearance. A finals appearance is NOT an achievement with those ROSTERS in that CONFERENCE.


Shit, I'd rather NOT get to the Finals than to get there and lose. To get so close to winning (by at least 4 games) only to come up short.

It's like, I'd rather not get any numbers right on a lottery ticket than to come up one number shy of winning $100mil. That shit would kill me.

[sdot_thadon]

Colluding to form two super teams was not "out of their hands." He did it twice in his prime with fellow superstars in their primes. In an already horrid conference.
Stupidest shit I've heard in a while bro, congrats. :biggums:

[I<3NBA]

would it better to get to first base

or not get there at all?

think about it virgins.

[DCL]

if i lose, i'd rather lose by a lot without a prayer's chance and then just deal with it short term and move on.

because if you lose by like 1 friggin point at the buzzer, that's the worst fking feeling in the world. that shit haunts you forever. you will always stay up at night in bed wondering "what if...", "what if...", "what if..."

[ISHGoat]

if i lose, i'd rather lose by a lot without a prayer's chance and then just deal with it short term and move on.

because if you lose by like 1 friggin point at the buzzer, that's the worst fking feeling in the world. that shit haunts you forever. you will always stay up at night in bed wondering "what if...", "what if...", "what if..."

Makes sense somewhat.. If I knew I was going to lose anyways, would I feel better knowing we played well and it was close, or it was just GG no matter what?

[Derka]

Sweet jumpin' Jesus, I actually feel dumber because I read through this thread. You all sound like lunatics letting these two players effect your brains so thoroughly.

[riseagainst]

making the finals 5 times and losing 3 is not that bad when you compare him other current superstars.

But when you compare him to other all time greats, top 10 GOATs, or for the lebron d1ckriders, THE GOAT, that number is pure sh1t.

Bottom line, 2/5 is stellar when you compare him to top 15-100 players of all time. When you compare him to top 10 all time, that is crappy.