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Wade's Rings
03-19-2015, 08:56 AM
Factoring in Stats, Impact, Clutchness, Competition faced what are the Top 5GOAT Playoff Runs?
1991-93 Mike? 2003 Duncan? 2012 Lebron? 1994-1994 Hakeem?

SexSymbol
03-19-2015, 08:59 AM
03 duncan, hakeem in 95 or 94 dont remember correctly, 11 dirk, 91 or 93 MJ,

Dr Hawk
03-19-2015, 09:01 AM
no order:

91 mj
77 kareem
09 lebron
some year of hakeem
00 shaq

BlakFrankWhite
03-19-2015, 09:03 AM
95 Hakeem....no HCA and yet went all the way

came back from 2-0 to beat Suns
came back from 3-1 to beat Jazz
then beat Spurs with MVP Robinson

finally winning it all after sweeping Shaq led Magic.

Prime_Shaq
03-19-2015, 09:06 AM
1991 Jordan
2000 Shaq
2003 Duncan
1995 Hakeem
2012 LeBron

3peated
03-19-2015, 09:07 AM
2001 shaq/kobe, swept everyone but the philladelphia iversons

T_L_P
03-19-2015, 09:17 AM
1991 Jordan
2000 Shaq
2003 Duncan
1995 Hakeem
2012 LeBron

Yep.

Marchesk
03-19-2015, 09:20 AM
I guess pro basketball must have started with the 90s.

SHAQisGOAT
03-19-2015, 09:21 AM
Probably...

1991 Jordan
2000 Shaq
1994 Hakeem
2003 Duncan
1984 Bird (underrated af)

followed by...

1967 Wilt
2011 Dirk
1987 Magic
1975 Barry
2012 LeBron
1977 Kareem
1977 Walton

SamuraiSWISH
03-19-2015, 10:20 AM
That I have seen in context, including regular season:

1992 Jordan
2000 Shaq
2003 Duncan
1994 Hakeem
2012 LeBron

Cold soul
03-19-2015, 10:30 AM
No order:

1991 Jordan
2003 Duncan
2000 Shaq
2009/2012 Lebron and Kobe
1994 Hakeem

SamuraiSWISH
03-19-2015, 10:44 AM
2009 Kobe doesn't belong on these lists. At all.

Two players individually were arguably better ... LeBron / Wade.

The rest of these guys on the lists won MVP, unquestionably were the best player in the game, and won a chip as the clear cut Finals MVP. With dominant playoff runs.

Now if 2006 to 2008 Kobe won a ring, Finals MVP along with an MVP then he would deserve to be in this convo. Like MJ's 1992 and LeBron's 2012 he also had a chance for a gold medal too.

Akhenaten
03-19-2015, 11:09 AM
06 Wade's run was clearly better than Lebron's 12, had far less help, vrtually same stats through 4 rounds and way better Finals performance.

Cold soul
03-19-2015, 11:18 AM
2009 Kobe doesn't belong on these lists. At all.

Two players individually were arguably better ... LeBron / Wade.

The rest of these guys on the lists won MVP, unquestionably were the best player in the game, and won a chip as the clear cut Finals MVP. With dominant playoff runs.

Now if 2006 to 2008 Kobe won a ring, Finals MVP along with an MVP then he would deserve to be in this convo. Like MJ's 1992 and LeBron's 2012 he also had a chance for a gold medal too.

Yeah he does his 09 was all-time great I thought this was playoff runs only and nothing to do with regular season.

Roundball_Rock
03-19-2015, 12:25 PM
77' KAJ
91' MJ
00' Shaq
67' Wilt
95' Hakeem

OldSchoolBBall
03-19-2015, 01:06 PM
Of modern era players:

1991 Jordan
2000 Shaq
1987 Magic
1986 Bird
2003 Duncan/1994 Hakeem/2013 Lebron (hard to choose)

LAZERUSS
03-19-2015, 01:11 PM
Kareem had great playoff runs in '70, '74, and '77, but none won a title. IMHO, his '71 run was his best, when he led his team to a 12-2 run and a world title.

Wilt's '67 is probably the most dominating, when he just destroyed both Russell and Thurmond en route to a world championship. He also had brilliant runs in '60, '62, '64, '65, '68, and '72.

Moses' '83 was another overwhelming title run (12-1.)

MJ's '91.

Shaq's 2000.

Magic's 87 and Bird's '86 are right there, as well.

ArbitraryWater
03-19-2015, 01:21 PM
1991 Jordan
2000 Shaq
1967 Wilt
2012 LeBron
2003 Duncan
1995 Hakeem


Of modern era players:

1991 Jordan
2000 Shaq
1987 Magic
1986 Bird
2003 Duncan/1994 Hakeem/2013 Lebron (hard to choose)

You mean 2012 LeBron


No order:

1991 Jordan
2003 Duncan
2000 Shaq
2009/2012 Lebron and Kobe
1994 Hakeem

Sorry, Kobe doesn't have anything to do here.

Harison
03-19-2015, 01:37 PM
Hakeem and Barry easily top the list, after those there is a lot of competition for Top3-5, MJ, Shaq, TD, etc etc.

SHAQisGOAT
03-19-2015, 01:54 PM
Larry Bird's 1984 post-season run gotta be one of the most underrated ever, if not the most.

With his teammates playing considerably below their usual (regular-season) standards, Bird just wrecks shit up, leading the team in:
-Points
-Rebounds
-Assists
-Steals
-FG%
-FT%
(was also 3rd in blocks and 3rd in 3P% with more 3's taken)

NOBODY has ever done that, at least playing a considerably amount of games, even winning the title at that.

Scored 11 more points per game than their next best - DJ, who was shooting 40% - and shot 52.4% from the field while his teammates combined were at 45.8%.

Going through the showtime Lakers, Moncrief and Marques' Bucks and King's Knicks...

Lakers had Kareem, Magic, Worthy, McAdoo, Cooper, Rambis, Scott, Wilkes...
Stcked af, most players at a better level than Boston's throughout the Playoffs, better on paper.
That team would've rapped today's league, for example.

Some classic performances, some classic moments, some really clutch stuff, as well.
Outscored on better FG% (and overall outplayed) peak King, easily disposed of the Bullets with all-around play, was everywhere vs the Bucks, couldn't be stopped and outhustled everybody against the Lakers.

Bird was a better player in 1986, at his absolute peak, but his '84 Playoff run was better, imho.

People overlooked stuff like tht though.

sd3035
03-19-2015, 01:56 PM
Bran 2011











The rest

Megabox!
03-19-2015, 01:59 PM
Bran 2011











The rest
He was actually very good throughout the playoffs that year, clutch shots and all. The Finals wasn't very good tho

Deuce Bigalow
03-19-2015, 04:18 PM
1949 Mikan
1950 Mikan
1954 Mikan
1952 Mikan
1953 Mikan

Honorable mention: 1947 Joe Fulks

Wade's Rings
03-19-2015, 04:44 PM
1949 Mikan
1950 Mikan
1954 Mikan
1952 Mikan
1953 Mikan

Honorable mention: 1947 Joe Fulks

:roll:

AirFederer
03-19-2015, 04:58 PM
1949 Mikan
1950 Mikan
1954 Mikan
1952 Mikan
1953 Mikan

Honorable mention: 1947 Joe Fulks
:cheers:



:lol

riseagainst
03-19-2015, 05:01 PM
1949 Mikan
1950 Mikan
1954 Mikan
1952 Mikan
1953 Mikan

Honorable mention: 1947 Joe Fulks

:roll:
:applause:
:bowdown:

Cone
03-19-2015, 05:03 PM
SMH at only one mention of 2011 Dirk. :facepalm

pastis
03-19-2015, 05:11 PM
SMH at only one mention of 2011 Dirk. :facepalm

i really cant understand why. but you can see the same in other threads. putting laughable palyers ahead of dirk talentwise or all-time wise.

dirk never gets any respects.

no other all-star. facing blazers, lakers, okc, miami. injured finger, fever, 2 game winners in finals. 10 points on 51/53/94 through the playoffs in 4th quarter etc. pp.

during the finals:
with dirk on the floor:
Mavs .94 ppp - Heat .91 PPP

without dirk on the floor
mavs .48 PPP - Heat 1.26 PPP

who cares.

Wade's Rings
03-19-2015, 05:50 PM
i really cant understand why. but you can see the same in other threads. putting laughable palyers ahead of dirk talentwise or all-time wise.

dirk never gets any respects.

no other all-star. facing blazers, lakers, okc, miami. injured finger, fever, 2 game winners in finals. 10 points on 51/53/94 through the playoffs in 4th quarter etc. pp.

during the finals:
with dirk on the floor:
Mavs .94 ppp - Heat .91 PPP

without dirk on the floor
mavs .48 PPP - Heat 1.26 PPP

who cares.


Legendary Run :bowdown:

dubeta
03-19-2015, 06:04 PM
Legendary Run :bowdown:
Yup, too bad Wade couldn't stop it by blatantly choking away Game 4 that series. Missed the FT and messed up the inbound pass

Just pathetic

SuperCereal
03-19-2015, 06:35 PM
i really cant understand why. but you can see the same in other threads. putting laughable palyers ahead of dirk talentwise or all-time wise.

dirk never gets any respects.

no other all-star. facing blazers, lakers, okc, miami. injured finger, fever, 2 game winners in finals. 10 points on 51/53/94 through the playoffs in 4th quarter etc. pp.

during the finals:
with dirk on the floor:
Mavs .94 ppp - Heat .91 PPP

without dirk on the floor
mavs .48 PPP - Heat 1.26 PPP

who cares.
This. Dirk was amazing!

Wade's Rings
03-19-2015, 06:38 PM
Yup, too bad Wade couldn't stop it by blatantly choking away Game 4 that series. Missed the FT and messed up the inbound pass

Just pathetic

:bowdown:

DatAsh
03-19-2015, 07:15 PM
67 Wilt has to be on there, probably number one.

JohnFreeman
03-19-2015, 07:41 PM
1991 Jordan
2000 Shaq
2003 Duncan
1995 Hakeem
2012 LeBron
/thread

Wade's Rings
08-27-2015, 09:39 PM
bump

ShawkFactory
08-27-2015, 09:45 PM
Hakeem in 95 > 94

Naero
08-27-2015, 09:54 PM
Yup, too bad Wade couldn't stop it by blatantly choking away Game 4 that series. Missed the FT and messed up the inbound pass

Just pathetic

You mean where LeBron registered only 8 points and was scoreless for the entire fourth quarter when the Mavericks made another one of their memorable runs? Yes, Wade botched the final-few plays down the stretch, but he was the one who even propelled them into that position to begin with; and had LeBron not saved his career-low scoring output for that game, the game never would have boiled down to crunch time.

In the game's totality, Wade should be the last person to blame for that loss. Ignore the recency bias of the crunch-time performance.

SouBeachTalents
08-27-2015, 09:56 PM
Choosing just 5 is really tough

'67 Wilt
'91 Jordan
'00 Shaq
'94 Hakeem
'03 Duncan

HM '12 LeBron, '86 Bird, '87 Magic

KirbyPls
08-27-2015, 11:59 PM
1991 Jordan
2000 Shaq
2003 Duncan
1995 Hakeem
2012 LeBron

Thread. :applause:

inclinerator
08-28-2015, 12:01 AM
lebron james 2009-2015

Marchesk
08-28-2015, 12:01 AM
Thread. :applause:

If we start counting in 1991.

ArbitraryWater
08-28-2015, 06:04 AM
Both ESPN Lists have an unanimous top 4 of 1991 MJ, 2012 Bron, 2000 Shaq, 2003 Duncan (Shaq/Duncan are switched once, 3 or 4)

1995 Hakeem rounds it out.

Rocketswin2013
08-28-2015, 08:06 AM
95 Hakeem....no HCA and yet went all the way

came back from 2-0 to beat Suns
came back from 3-1 to beat Jazz
then beat Spurs with MVP Robinson

finally winning it all after sweeping Shaq led Magic.
Hakeem actually didn't do any of those things. The Houston Rockets did.

ImKobe
08-28-2015, 08:56 AM
91 MJ
94 Hakeem
01 Kobe
09 Kobe
06 Wade

HM: 2011 Dirk

Dragonyeuw
08-28-2015, 09:16 AM
In no particular order:

91 MJ
00 Shaq
03 Duncan
95 Hakeem
11 Dirk

Honorable mention: 2012 Lebron

ClipperRevival
08-28-2015, 09:22 AM
We shouldn't limit Shaq to just 2000. His run from 2000-2002 was amazing.

29.9 PPG
14.5 RPG
29.3 PER

ClipperRevival
08-28-2015, 09:24 AM
Hakeem from 1994-1995.

30.9 PPG
27.2 PER
10.7 RPG
4.4 APG
1.5 SPG
3.4 BPG

Just all around contribution on top of carrying the offensive load.

ClipperRevival
08-28-2015, 09:30 AM
MJ from 1991-1993.

33.7 PPG
29.5 PER
6.4 RPG
6.6 APG
2.1 SPG

Dragonyeuw
08-28-2015, 09:36 AM
Contextually, I think Dirk '11 deserves to be there. Tail end of prime, on a team largely comprised of veterans, a 38 year old PG, and overcoming prime Lebron/Wade/Bosh? He performed well above what I think most people expected of him or the Mavs at that point. There are basically 3 'one superstar' title runs in the last 20 years: Hakeem in 94, Duncan in 03, and Dirk in 11. And I'd argue Dirk had the least talented supporting cast of the lot.

ClipperRevival
08-28-2015, 09:41 AM
Contextually, I think Dirk '11 deserves to be there. Tail end of prime, on a team largely comprised of veterans, a 38 year old PG, and overcoming prime Lebron/Wade/Bosh? He performed well above what I think most people expected of him or the Mavs at that point. There are basically 3 'one superstar' title runs in the last 20 years: Hakeem in 94, Duncan in 03, and Dirk in 11. And I'd argue Dirk had the least talented supporting cast of the lot.

Wade 2006? Sure, he had Shaq but Shaq only gave them 13.7 ppg and 10.3 rpg in the finals. That was the closest thing to a one man show I have probably ever seen in a finals.

Dragonyeuw
08-28-2015, 09:50 AM
Wade 2006? Sure, he had Shaq but Shaq only gave them 13.7 ppg and 10.3 rpg in the finals. That was the closest thing to a one man show I have probably ever seen in a finals.

From first round to finals? I think Dirk had the better overall run, of course Wade had the far more epic finals.

ShawkFactory
08-28-2015, 09:58 AM
91 MJ
94 Hakeem
01 Kobe
09 Kobe
06 Wade

HM: 2011 Dirk
:kobe:

sejoon101
08-28-2015, 10:39 AM
You nikkas buggin. 11 Dirk shits all over 12 lebron

Bankaii
08-28-2015, 10:59 AM
You nikkas buggin. 11 Dirk shits all over 12 lebron
Lebron averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks all on better efficiency. He crushes Dirk in pretty much all advanced stats(per, WS, etc).
And believe it or not, defense is a part of basketball. Lebron was a top 3-5 defender in 2012, while Dirk had future DPOY Chandler.

kshutts1
08-28-2015, 11:02 AM
Only two people mentioned Rick Barry?

ArbitraryWater
08-28-2015, 11:46 AM
Only two people mentioned Rick Barry?

two too many

KirbyPls
08-28-2015, 12:19 PM
Lebron averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks all on better efficiency. He crushes Dirk in pretty much all advanced stats(per, WS, etc).
And believe it or not, defense is a part of basketball. Lebron was a top 3-5 defender in 2012, while Dirk had future DPOY Chandler.

:eek:

HOoopCityJones
08-28-2015, 12:22 PM
09-10 Kobe

01 Kobe

rmt
08-28-2015, 02:07 PM
Contextually, I think Dirk '11 deserves to be there. Tail end of prime, on a team largely comprised of veterans, a 38 year old PG, and overcoming prime Lebron/Wade/Bosh? He performed well above what I think most people expected of him or the Mavs at that point. There are basically 3 'one superstar' title runs in the last 20 years: Hakeem in 94, Duncan in 03, and Dirk in 11. And I'd argue Dirk had the least talented supporting cast of the lot.

Not to nitpick, but Kidd was a just turned 37 year old. Maybe I'd agree with the (raw) talent statement, but I would add that, especially in the playoffs, EXPERIENCE matters a lot. Excluding Duncan and Dirk, top 7 players:

Mavs - 73 years of experience
Spurs - 29 years of experience (with the top 3 options Parker, SJax and Manu having a total of 3 years NBA experience coming into the season). If you notice the PER, Mavs' top 5 players have PERs over 15. For Spurs, only DRob was over 15 with Parker at 11.9 and SJax at 12.

2011 Playoffs
Dirk 27.7 pts / 8.1 rebs / 2.5 asst 48.5% 25.2 PER
Terry 17.5 pts / 3.2 asst 47.8% 20.3 PER
Marion 11.9 pts / 2.1 asst / 1 stl 46.7% 15.1 PER
Kidd 9.3 pts / 4.5 rebs / 7.3 asst 39.8% 15.7 PER
Barea 8.9 pts / 3.4 asst 41.9% 16.8 PER
Chandler 8 pts / 9.2 rebs 58.2% 15.2 PER
Stojakovic 7.1 pts 40.8% 12 PER
Stevenson 4.5 pts 34.9% 7.2 PER

2003 Playoffs
Duncan 24.7 pts / 11.4 rebs / 5.3 asst / 3.3 blks 52.9% 28.4 PER
Parker 14.7 pts / 3.5 asst 40.3% 11.9 PER
SJax 12.8 pts / 4.1 rebs / 2.7 asst 41.1% 12 PER
Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 rebs 2.9 asst 38.6% 15 PER
Rose 9.3 pts / 5.8 rebs 41.9% 13.3 PER
DRob 7.8 pts / 6.6 rebs 1.3 blk 54.2% 17.7 PER
Bowen 6.9 pts 37.2% 8.9 PER
Claxton 5.2 pts 43.8% 14.4 PER

WayOfWade
08-28-2015, 02:44 PM
You nikkas buggin. 11 Dirk shits all over 12 lebron
No. The Heat had to go through more adversity than the Mavs did, Bosh went down forcing LeBron and Wade (Mainly LeBron) to bail the Heat out of 2-1 and 3-2 holes against the Pacers and Celtics, and let's not forget that LeBrons game 6 against the Celtics is better than any Playoff performance Dirk has ever put in.

SHAQisGOAT
08-28-2015, 08:53 PM
Larry Bird's 1984 post-season run gotta be one of the most underrated ever, if not the most.

With his teammates playing considerably below their usual (regular-season) standards, Bird just wrecks shit up, leading the team in:
-Points
-Rebounds
-Assists
-Steals
-FG%
-FT%
(was also 3rd in blocks and 3rd in 3P% with more 3's taken)

NOBODY has ever done that, at least playing a considerably amount of games, even winning the title at that.

Scored 11 more points per game than their next best - DJ, who was shooting 40% - and shot 52.4% from the field while his teammates combined were at 45.8%.

Going through the showtime Lakers, Moncrief and Marques' Bucks and King's Knicks...

Lakers had Kareem, Magic, Worthy, McAdoo, Cooper, Rambis, Scott, Wilkes...
Stcked af, most players at a better level than Boston's throughout the Playoffs, better on paper.
That team would've rapped today's league, for example.

Some classic performances, some classic moments, some really clutch stuff, as well.
Outscored on better FG% (and overall outplayed) peak King, easily disposed of the Bullets with all-around play, was everywhere vs the Bucks, couldn't be stopped and outhustled everybody against the Lakers.

Bird was a better player in 1986, at his absolute peak, but his '84 Playoff run was better, imho.

People overlooked stuff like tht though.


Still overlooked like a mf'er...

SouBeachTalents
08-28-2015, 09:02 PM
Still overlooked like a mf'er...

Some players are really tough to pick one playoff run for, like '84 vs '86 for Bird, '94 vs '95 for Hakeem, and a number you could probably choose from when it comes to Kareem & Kobe

Bay Area Baller
08-28-2015, 10:56 PM
basically every year Nash made playoffs, he was the Goat pg for what he was working with. Hill, dudley, pfttt. Think about it his second best player was Stodemire and we all saw how his career developed without Nash. Honestly you young ins won't understand unless I post a youtube clip so here. Ur welecome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHYez3i6IIs

'05 Nash was epic
'91 Jordan was alright too

gruel
08-28-2015, 11:17 PM
Larry Bird's 1984 post-season run gotta be one of the most underrated ever, if not the most.

With his teammates playing considerably below their usual (regular-season) standards, Bird just wrecks shit up, leading the team in:
-Points
-Rebounds
-Assists
-Steals
-FG%
-FT%
(was also 3rd in blocks and 3rd in 3P% with more 3's taken)

NOBODY has ever done that, at least playing a considerably amount of games, even winning the title at that.

Scored 11 more points per game than their next best - DJ, who was shooting 40% - and shot 52.4% from the field while his teammates combined were at 45.8%.

Going through the showtime Lakers, Moncrief and Marques' Bucks and King's Knicks...

Lakers had Kareem, Magic, Worthy, McAdoo, Cooper, Rambis, Scott, Wilkes...
Stcked af, most players at a better level than Boston's throughout the Playoffs, better on paper.
That team would've rapped today's league, for example.

Some classic performances, some classic moments, some really clutch stuff, as well.
Outscored on better FG% (and overall outplayed) peak King, easily disposed of the Bullets with all-around play, was everywhere vs the Bucks, couldn't be stopped and outhustled everybody against the Lakers.

Bird was a better player in 1986, at his absolute peak, but his '84 Playoff run was better, imho.

People overlooked stuff like tht though.

Larry Bird's highlights from Game 4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCNlrOu2Zu8)

At 25 seconds, he shoves a guy into the camera men before an inbound pass.

Then at 1 minute, he helps up Kurt Rambis who also fell into the camera men.

What a classy clever guy.

kennethgriffin
08-28-2015, 11:36 PM
#1 Hakeem 1994

#2 Barry 1975

#3 Walton 1977

#4 Kobe 2009

#5 pettit 1958


HM = kobe 2010



legends who dominated without legendary sidekicks

catch24
08-28-2015, 11:39 PM
#1 Hakeem 1994

#2 Barry 1975

#3 Walton 1977

#4 Kobe 2009

#5 pettit 1958


HM = kobe 2010



legends who dominated without legendary sidekicks



^Pau was one of the BEST big men at the time. He's a shoe-in HOFer, and one of the greatest international players ever to boot.

:roll: at "legendary sidekick". Laying it on thick, don't ya think?

SouBeachTalents
08-28-2015, 11:41 PM
#1 Hakeem 1994

#2 Barry 1975

#3 Walton 1977

#4 Kobe 2009

#5 pettit 1958


HM = kobe 2010



legends who dominated without legendary sidekicks



'09 & '10 Gasol > anyone on the '03 Spurs or '11 Mavs

Gasol's a top 5 championship sidekick of the 2000's, arguably the best one (not counting '01 or '02 Kobe)

Megabox!
08-28-2015, 11:45 PM
It's sad how Gasol gets underrated during that run, dude was damn good

kennethgriffin
08-28-2015, 11:47 PM
'09 & '10 Gasol > anyone on the '03 Spurs or '11 Mavs


during that week stats wise. sure. but jason kidd and tony parker are ranked MUCH higher all time. and both were starters


kidds impact was felt when he left dallas... and when he left new york. both teams dropped off a ton


listen to the way rick carlisle talks about jason kidd.. he impacts the game immensely even when his stats arent all there



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUGMFuX5oNc


2:18

the coach of the champion mavs saying "its not even close. kidds the smartest player he ever coached"





as for parker. his stats werent amazing. but in 2003 he was the 2nd leading scorer on the spurs and the leading assist man/starting PG/ main ball handler

we didnt know how good he was back then. but we do now


both guys who dominate the ball and dictate the flow of the game... gasol doesnt dictate shit

stalkerforlife
08-28-2015, 11:48 PM
Kobe 09.

Top 5 all time run.

Pau = 85-125 on the all time list.

kennethgriffin
08-28-2015, 11:50 PM
It's sad how Gasol gets underrated during that run, dude was damn good


and 90% of his game was off the kobe screen and roll for an outside jumper or hitting a cutter from the defense initially collapsing to double kobe


"thanks kobe" - pau gash*t

:lol

all gasol did was what he was supposed to do.. make smart plays to either make an open shot or an open pass... not that difficult. kobe was the focal point of the defense


put me out there.. give me a 7 foot frame. i'l nail open shots and open team mates


da **** is so hard about that?

catch24
08-28-2015, 11:53 PM
Gasol is one of the most skilled players at his position, ever, and this fvcking narcissistic asshole is saying he could "hit the same shots" in Pau's body.

This forum is beyond help. :oldlol:

kennethgriffin
08-28-2015, 11:54 PM
^Pau was one of the BEST big men at the time. He's a shoe-in HOFer, and one of the greatest international players ever to boot.

:roll: at "legendary sidekick". Laying it on thick, don't ya think?



IMO to be a legend you either have to be

- top 50 all time

- a finals mvp/multiple time champion

- have won mvps

or

- have a buttload of allstar games ( like atleast 8-10 )

- have a buttload of all nba or all defensive teams ( 8-10 combined )



pau is none of these things

kennethgriffin
08-28-2015, 11:55 PM
Gasol is one of the most skilled players at his position, ever, and this fvcking narcissistic asshole is saying he could "hit the same shots" in Pau's body.

This forum is beyond help. :oldlol:


0-16 as lead dog in the playoffs though

:biggums:



vlade divac is one of the most skilled big men ever too.. da **** does that mean?

so what...


so most bigs dont dominate with eye catching pretty shots.... so.....? that doesnt make pau a legend



hes just aesthetically pleasing


hes a hall of famer. sure. but everyone and their dog is an nba hall of famer

rmt
08-29-2015, 12:48 AM
during that week stats wise. sure. but jason kidd and tony parker are ranked MUCH higher all time. and both were starters


kidds impact was felt when he left dallas... and when he left new york. both teams dropped off a ton


listen to the way rick carlisle talks about jason kidd.. he impacts the game immensely even when his stats arent all there



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUGMFuX5oNc


2:18

the coach of the champion mavs saying "its not even close. kidds the smartest player he ever coached"





as for parker. his stats werent amazing. but in 2003 he was the 2nd leading scorer on the spurs and the leading assist man/starting PG/ main ball handler

we didnt know how good he was back then. but we do now


both guys who dominate the ball and dictate the flow of the game... gasol doesnt dictate shit

Please do us a favor, and never compare 2008-10 Gasol to 2003 Parker.

Regular Season
2008-09 18.9 pts / 9.6 rebs / 3.5 asst / 1 blk 56.7% 22.2 PER 13.9 WS 5 BPM 5.3 VORP
2009-10 18.3 pts / 11.3 rebs / 3.4 asst / 1.7 blk 53.6% 22.9 PER 11 WS 5.4 BPM 4.5 VORP
2002-03 15.5 pts / 5.3 asst 46.4% 16.5 PER 7.7 WS 0.3 BPM 1.6 VORP

Playoffs
2009 18.3 pts / 10.8 rebs / 2.5 asst / 2 blk 58% 21.9 PER 4.3 WS 6.5 BPM 2 VORP
2010 19.6 pts / 11.1 rebs / 3.5 asst / 2.1 blk 53.9% 24 PER 4.3 WS 6.3 BPM 1.9 VORP
2003 14.7 pts / 3.5 asst 40.3% 11.9 PER 1.1 WS -1.8 BPM 0 VORP

Bay Area Baller
08-29-2015, 12:51 AM
Jimmy Butler 2016

Wade's Rings
08-29-2015, 08:00 PM
Kobe 09.

Top 5 all time run.

Pau = 85-125 on the all time list.

If Kobe's '09 is Top 5, Wade's '06 is Top 5 as well.

GrapeApe
08-29-2015, 08:24 PM
If Kobe's '09 is Top 5, Wade's '06 is Top 5 as well.

No doubt. Gasol in '09 was better than Shaq in '06, especially in the finals. It's irrelelevant that Shaq is the greater player all time.