About this Love and Wiggins trade

[toneloc103]

So why is it when Love was putting up 26/12 it was called "empty stats". When Wiggins is doing it, he is a "great up & coming player"? they were losing then, and they are losing now. Whats the difference?

[imdaman99]

Well, Wiggins is a rookie. Love is an established player that played there for multiple years :hammerhead:

[keep-itreal]

:hammerhead:

[StephHamann]

I'll rate this thread 2 out of 5 stars

[BlakFrankWhite]

Love was in his 6th pro year....Wiggins is in his 1st

[John Tesh]

So why is it when Love was putting up 26/12 it was called "empty stats". When Wiggins is doing it, he is a "great up & coming player"? they were losing then, and they are losing now. Whats the difference?

Because Wiggins is a rookie. If Wiggins puts up these stats in year 5 and the Wolves are still consistently lottery bound, he will get the empty stats label.

[RedBlackAttack]

Because Wiggins is a rookie. If Wiggins puts up these stats in year 5 and the Wolves are still consistently lottery bound, he will get the empty stats label.
To be fair, it's not like all lottery teams are created equal. Love led the TWolves to a 42-40 record last year playing in a loaded conference. This season, they are, what... 14-55?

I always thought the concept of "empty stats" was stupid anyway, at least the way it is used these days. Putting up great numbers on a mediocre team has happened with plenty of ultimately great players who ended up winning championships.

Few guys have stepped into the league and lit up the boxscore and the win column. A 25 year old player putting up 25/12 on a team over .500 -- considering the rest of the roster -- is pretty impressive imo.

You can see how they're doing without him. His numbers look a lot less empty when you consider the massive drop in winning percentage.

[robert de niro]

To be fair, it's not like all lottery teams are created equal. Love led the TWolves to a 42-40 record last year playing in a loaded conference. This season, they are, what... 14-55?

I always thought the concept of "empty stats" was stupid anyway, at least the way it is used these days. Putting up great numbers on a mediocre team has happened with plenty of ultimately great players who ended up winning championships.

Few guys have stepped into the league and lit up the boxscore and the win column. A 25 year old player putting up 25/12 on a team over .500 -- considering the rest of the roster -- is pretty impressive imo.

You can see how they're doing without him. His numbers look a lot less empty when you consider the massive drop in winning percentage.
I don't like the empty stats label either but to act like that record is completely on Love is unrealistic, minnesota has been playing without any of last year's starting five for all season, without rubio, kevin martin, pekovic and brewer, basically playing rookies and d-leaguers as starters and you have the guts to say that record is proof of Love not being empty stats? they won against portland and memphis recently when they all came back and lost to warriors and clippers in one possesion games, but no, it's all because of Love :bowdown:

[JtotheIzzo]

So why is it when Love was putting up 26/12 it was called "empty stats". When Wiggins is doing it, he is a "great up & coming player"? they were losing then, and they are losing now. Whats the difference?

1-Wiggins is a rookie
2-Wiggins isn't putting up circus stats like Love did
3-No one is calling Wiggins the best player at his position
4-No one is calling Wiggins top ten
5-Wolves are in full on rebuild/tank mode
6-Love's Wolves had players and expectations
7-Love now has a situation where he is playing meaningful games with a marked drop in production
8-OP is a retard or rabble rouser

[El Gato Negro]

What happened to Bennett? Is he hurt or did he just fall out of the wolves rotation?

[RedBlackAttack]

I don't like the empty stats label either but to act like that record is completely on Love is unrealistic, minnesota has been playing without any of last year's starting five for all season, without rubio, kevin martin, pekovic and brewer, basically playing rookies and d-leaguers as starters and you have the guts to say that record is proof of Love not being empty stats? they won against portland and memphis recently when they all came back and lost to warriors and clippers in one possesion games, but no, it's all because of Love :bowdown:
They got Pek back Jan. 21 and Rubio back Feb. 2. They have also added a nice player this year in Thad Young which you opted not to note in your synopsis. Throw in KG over the last month-plus for good measure.

Despite getting healthier and adding pieces, they still haven't looked even close to as good as they were last year. Since February 2nd, the TWolves are 6-14. Again, this is a team that won 42 games last year.

Are we really giving Kevin no love, here?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

What happened to Bennett? Is he hurt or did he just fall out of the wolves rotation?

I think he's dealing with an ankle sprain.

[kennethgriffin]

people shouldnt hate on kevin love... lebron did to him what he did to chris bosh

its the lebron offense.. bigs shoot 3's... lanes are wide open for lebron to stat pad layups or kick out assists

[All Net]

Honestly there is no difference.

[GimmeThat]

Because Wiggins is presumed to play good/elite defense.
Where as Love was a top rebounder in the league.


If anything, someone should work on a graph/video of teams in their vertical movement by its peak.

Both in ball movements and body movements.

[Springsteen]

people shouldnt hate on kevin love... lebron did to him what he did to chris bosh

its the lebron offense.. bigs shoot 3's... lanes are wide open for lebron to stat pad layups or kick out assists

Have you ever made a post on this forum that wasn't related to proving how awful of a player Lebron is or blowing Kobe? Just asking.

[GimmeThat]

people shouldnt hate on kevin love... lebron did to him what he did to chris bosh

its the lebron offense.. bigs shoot 3's... lanes are wide open for lebron to stat pad layups or kick out assists

That roster can truly do some simple and complex stuff if they simply get the transition down.

[robert de niro]

They got Pek back Jan. 21 and Rubio back Feb. 2. They have also added a nice player this year in Thad Young which you opted not to note in your synopsis. Throw in KG over the last month-plus for good measure.

Despite getting healthier and adding pieces, they still haven't looked even close to as good as they were last year. Since February 2nd, the TWolves are 6-14. Again, this is a team that won 42 games last year.

Are we really giving Kevin no love, here?
so you are saying a completely new team full of rookies with most of the best players missing 4/5 of the season, a new coach and an old veteran added in last month is gonna perform the same as last year's team with Kevin Freaking Love and a team that was together with same coach for quite some time? if you weren't a mod I would think you are trolling. Of course Love plays a big part in that record, but so does the rest of the players that missed the season along with all the new changes and new players that you opted not to note in your original post.

[Levity]

Is OP really that ignorant that he had to make a thread about this? How sad.

[John Tesh]

To be fair, it's not like all lottery teams are created equal. Love led the TWolves to a 42-40 record last year playing in a loaded conference. This season, they are, what... 14-55?

I always thought the concept of "empty stats" was stupid anyway, at least the way it is used these days. Putting up great numbers on a mediocre team has happened with plenty of ultimately great players who ended up winning championships.

Few guys have stepped into the league and lit up the boxscore and the win column. A 25 year old player putting up 25/12 on a team over .500 -- considering the rest of the roster -- is pretty impressive imo.

You can see how they're doing without him. His numbers look a lot less empty when you consider the massive drop in winning percentage.

Well, Rubio also played all 82 games last year too, while only playing 22 this year. There are other roster changes too. Minny went into this season with no aspirations for the playoffs, while last year that actually was the goal.

[gts]

So why is it when Love was putting up 26/12 it was called "empty stats". When Wiggins is doing it, he is a "great up & coming player"? they were losing then, and they are losing now. Whats the difference?

because it was mostly Lebronstans calling Love's numbers empty stats... now they can't play that card

[J Shuttlesworth]

Love is doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of empty stats this year. He's sacrificing stats to help his team win, and it's working out great. He does so much for the team that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

[resin_baller]

That roster can truly do some simple and complex stuff if they simply get the transition down.

They're really capable of doing certain things if they can get that transition right, and certain things different if they don't.

[Legends66NBA7]

Look at the organization they played for. All you need to know.

By they way, are we going give Kevin Garnett the "empty stats" label during 05-07 when the team was missing the playoffs ?

[robert de niro]

To be fair, it's not like all lottery teams are created equal. Love led the TWolves to a 42-40 record last year playing in a loaded conference. This season, they are, what... 14-55?

You can see how they're doing without him. His numbers look a lot less empty when you consider the massive drop in winning percentage.
jeez i wonder why this 8 man team is doing so poorly compared to last year! oh wait..

http://i.imgur.com/a15OBIk.png

[JtotheIzzo]

To be fair, it's not like all lottery teams are created equal. Love led the TWolves to a 42-40 record last year playing in a loaded conference. This season, they are, what... 14-55?

I always thought the concept of "empty stats" was stupid anyway, at least the way it is used these days. Putting up great numbers on a mediocre team has happened with plenty of ultimately great players who ended up winning championships.

Few guys have stepped into the league and lit up the boxscore and the win column. A 25 year old player putting up 25/12 on a team over .500 -- considering the rest of the roster -- is pretty impressive imo.

You can see how they're doing without him. His numbers look a lot less empty when you consider the massive drop in winning percentage.

disappointed to see you take a homerish, narrow view like this.

[Lebronxrings]

Love is doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of empty stats this year. He's sacrificing stats to help his team win, and it's working out great. He does so much for the team that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.
inb4 lebronball

[toneloc103]

1-Wiggins is a rookie
2-Wiggins isn't putting up circus stats like Love did
3-No one is calling Wiggins the best player at his position
4-No one is calling Wiggins top ten
5-Wolves are in full on rebuild/tank mode
6-Love's Wolves had players and expectations
7-Love now has a situation where he is playing meaningful games with a marked drop in production
8-OP is a retard or rabble rouser

and youre and admin calling someone retarded? wow This is a forum where folks are fre to ask questions and express ideas, or so i thought. smh..being a cavs fan i was just curious why Wiggins is being gushed over while Love is getting dogged. it isnt that serious bro.

[ralph_i_el]

Last season Love had very little support, and the squad he was on lacked shooters and rim protectors. They finished 40-42 in the WEST, played more overtime games than any other team, and I believe they had the worst record in close games, which is a statistic that fluctuates from year to year and is very fluky. Their SRS would point to them being a 48-34 team last season, and those win predictions based on SRS are almost always within a few games of being right.

Minnesota's bad record last season was a fluke. Love carried a deeply flawed squad all season. He did not put up empty stats. He was the centerpiece of an offense that had the 9th best Ortg, and they played at a VERY fast pace.\

Rubio gets underrated too, because of the ugly situations his lack of shooting creates. Kevin Martin is a net negative player, and so is Pekovic IMO (The dude covers no ground on D, and is a horrible finisher on offense. His only real skill is getting deep post position because he's the strongest guy in the league)

[305Baller]

Wiggins is in diapers.

[chips93]

disappointed to see you take a homerish, narrow view like this.

you're as a big a homer for wiggins as anybody